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  • “I believe that one should broaden their perspective beyond law, as a fair understanding of business, economics, philosophy, and current affairs can make one a more effective lawyer.” – Shubham Saigal, AOR at Supreme Court of India and Partner at Jain & Saigal Law Offices.

    “I believe that one should broaden their perspective beyond law, as a fair understanding of business, economics, philosophy, and current affairs can make one a more effective lawyer.” – Shubham Saigal, AOR at Supreme Court of India and Partner at Jain & Saigal Law Offices.

    This interview has been published by Anshi Mudgal and The SuperLawyer Team

    With over eight (8) years of distinguished experience in the field of law, including being an Advocate-on-Record (AOR), Supreme Court of India, what initially inspired you to pursue a career in law? What was the driving force behind your decision to join such a prestigious profession?

    Studying law after school was never on my list; I loved Physics and Mathematics, so I chose “Science with Maths” after 10th grade. Simultaneously, I started preparing for IIT-JEE – a common choice for a Science student. One day, on my way to coaching, a traffic police officer stopped me, checked my documents, and made me wait 30 minutes without assigning any reason. I complied, unaware of my rights and the police officer’s powers. This incident sparked my interest in Political Science and Civics, which discussed the concepts of rights, duties, government, democracy, civil liberties, etc. I discussed this new interest with my parents, who were astonishingly supportive of my shift in career aspirations. In fact, it was my father (not a lawyer) who suggested me to pursue a career in law – a suggestion I was keen to explore. The idea that knowledge of the law could empower individuals became a driving force in my decision to pursue law. My father introduced me to a law student, who apprised me of CLAT and National Law Universities. Thereafter, I appeared for CLAT and secured admission to National Law University, Odisha in 2012—an achievement I deeply cherish.

    How has your journey as an advocate evolved, contributing to your expertise and success in the field?

    My journey has been both exciting and challenging. Despite being a first-generation lawyer, I’ve been fortunate enough to have great mentors—from college seniors to the seniors in the profession, especially my bosses—who have played a crucial role in shaping my career.

    Towards the end of law school, I interned with the Supreme Court team at Karanjawala & Co., a top-tier law firm. I was lucky to secure a job there during my internship, marking the start of my career in law. As a fresher, I gained invaluable experience at Karanjawala —assisting in briefing senior advocates, preparing update emails for clients, managing paperwork, and analysing court cause lists. These foundational skills continue to help me till date. I would like to make a special mention of my senior Mr. Utsav Trivedi (now Managing Partner at TAS Law) for his guidance.

    I later joined Luthra & Luthra Law Offices, the team of Mr. Faisal Sherwani, Partner. He was not just a boss, but a true leader—the one who leads by example. Mr. Sherwani has been instrumental in shaping my career and continues to do so. His passion for constitutional law once led to a discussion on the Supreme Court’s judgments on “basic structure doctrine”. This discussion inspired me to prepare for the Advocate-on-Record (AOR) exam. Mr. Sherwani himself is an AOR and I have learnt a great deal from him. 

    At Luthra, I handled diverse matters pertaining to property disputes, IT laws, motor vehicle laws, IP, and criminal law. I significantly honed my drafting skills during my time in Luthra. However, I always aspired to start my independent practice—an idea fully supported by Mr. Sherwani.

    After starting my independent practice, I realized the need to refine my courtroom advocacy. Seeking mentorship, I joined the chambers of a prominent senior advocate, Mrs. Madhavi Divan (former Additional Solicitor General of India), who was kind enough to include me in her team. No discussion on my career trajectory would be complete without mentioning her contributions.

    Madhavi ma’am has a strong work ethic and unwavering consistency in preparation and performance. Despite thoroughly reading briefs, I often felt underprepared in conferences with her, as her questions pushed my intellectual limits. Over time, I began following her line of arguments and anticipating her questions. While assisting her in various matters, including arbitration, insolvency, property disputes, constitutional matters, I learned key advocacy skills—when not to speak in court, how to gauge a judge’s mind, restructuring arguments on the spot, etc. Mrs. Divan has been instrumental in my growth, and I continue to learn from her.

    Having worked with law firms and a senior advocate, what motivated you to establish your own practice? What were the initial hurdles you faced, and what inspired you to take the leap into independent practice, building a firm that reflects your values and legal expertise?

    I think every advocate in dispute resolution aspires to argue before the courts. While working at top-tier law firms, I worked on high-stake matters and assisted in briefing senior advocates but rarely got the chance to argue—rightly so, as I lacked the skills then. However, the urge to start my independent practice never faded. Unfortunately, the demanding law firm schedule left little time to act on it.

    Ironically, the Covid-19 lockdown gave me the opportunity to rethink my career path. Instead of picking up a new hobby, my then flatmate, Mr. Siddharth Jain (now my partner in our law firm), and I focused on taking up independent matters. We started by sending legal notices for corporate clients—companies looking for young lawyers who offered quality work at competitive fees. This instilled confidence in some clients, leading to the launch of our law firm, Jain & Saigal Law Offices, in September 2020.

    Starting out wasn’t easy. The biggest dilemma was leaving a handsome retainer for complete uncertainty—a tough decision every entrepreneur faces. Renting office space, hiring associates, and managing operations brought hidden challenges we hadn’t anticipated. But our determination and positive attitude helped us navigate the journey and build something we truly believed in.

    Starting your career as an associate in law firms and participating in high-profile and landmark insolvency cases must have been a significant learning experience. Could you share some key insights from these cases?

    When I had entered into the profession i.e., in 2017, the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, 2016 (IBC) was in its early days. The Reserve Bank of India had identified twelve (12) highly stressed corporate debtors—the “dirty dozen”—for resolution under IBC. Given the stakes, litigation was inevitable, with cases reaching the Supreme Court of India to address legislative gaps and uncertainties in the law. Most of the law firms across the country were engaged in these high-profile matters.

    My interest in insolvency law developed during law school days, even before IBC was enacted. I closely followed mechanisms like Corporate Debt Restructuring and Strategic Debt Restructuring, introduced after statutes such as SICA, SARFAESI, etc. failed to achieve the intended objective. Naturally, I wanted to work on the insolvency matters, and at Karanjawala, I was fortunate to be involved in cases concerning the “dirty dozen”.

    Attending long-hour conferences with clients and senior advocates was invaluable. These conferences made me learn about different perspectives involved in preparing arguments to be presented before the courts. It is not just the provisions of the statutes and their interpretations, or researching the case laws, but also the business’ perspective. In addition to studying the laws applicable, it is equally important for an advocate to understand the intricacies of its client’s business. Laws are meant to regulate business and commerce and not to prohibit them. Thinking beyond legal texts and grasping real-world business implications was my biggest takeaway from these experiences.

    Clearing the AOR exam is a remarkable achievement that speaks volumes about your legal acumen. How did you prepare for this challenging exam, and how has passing the AOR exam enhanced your legal practice, especially in terms of the quality of your representation and legal strategy?

    Preparing for the exam was a nostalgic experience. I studied with my law firm partner and an ex-colleague and a friend I met in Mrs. Divan’s chambers. It felt like college days again—last-minute cramming and somehow making it through. We had organized our schedules efficiently, giving us a full twenty (20) days to prepare. Fortunately, friends who had cleared the exam in the past few years guided us well.

    For me, self-study was the key. I had numerous notes and strategies from friends and other contacts, but they only added to my stress. What truly helped was analyzing past question papers, watching lectures by senior advocates, and studying the material available on the Supreme Court of India’s website. I am immensely grateful to the senior advocates who took time from their busy schedules to help us prepare through their lectures and notes.

    It’s still early to assess how passing the exam has impacted my legal practice, as the results were declared just a couple of months ago. However, the “Supreme Court matters” section in my firm’s “list of matters” is growing noticeably. We remain committed to delivering our best while strictly adhering to the Supreme Court Rules, 2013, and the Apex Court’s directions for the AORs.  

    Representing a high-profile retired bureaucrat in criminal defamation matter, is certainly a critical responsibility. What key legal arguments did you present in this case, and how did you approach defending such a prominent individual against serious allegations, ensuring a successful outcome?

    Unfortunately, this matter is sub-judice before the High Court of Delhi, therefore I cannot comment on this.

    You have been representing homebuyers in multiple courts across Delhi in recovery proceedings initiated by banks against those unable to pay EMIs after being deceived by builders. Could you share the key legal challenges you faced in these cases and the strategies you employed to secure a favourable outcome for your client? Additionally, how do you foresee the evolution of laws surrounding homebuyers’ rights and real estate projects in India moving forward?

    Despite multiple legal remedies available to homebuyers against builders under consumer laws, IBC, and RERA, they lack protection from banks’ recovery proceedings. Many homebuyers, after investing their savings and taking home loans for their dream house, continued paying EMIs, only to realize they had been duped by builders who never began construction or could not complete it in time. When some stopped paying the EMIs, banks initiated legal action(s) against them.

    The clauses of the contract obligates the homebuyers to repay the banks. Therefore, one of the biggest challenges was to determine the appropriate legal forum and remedies to protect the clients from banks’ recovery proceedings. Approaching the Delhi High Court under writ jurisdiction was not fruitful, as the Delhi High Court denied exercising its writ jurisdiction in matters concerning rights of the homebuyers arising purely out of contracts. Thus, beseeching the Supreme Court’s inherent jurisdiction was the only recourse. Initially, the Supreme Court stayed proceedings against homebuyers, but it has now allowed the proceedings before DRT and other tribunals to continue—while prohibiting the issuance of recovery certificates. Additionally, the Apex Court has ordered a special investigation team to probe the nexus between banks/ financial institutions and builders.

    The legal framework for homebuyers’ rights and real estate in India is evolving to enhance consumer protection and transparency. While RERA has strengthened safeguards, enforcement remains a challenge.

    Moving forward, I anticipate further judicial and legislative developments aimed at addressing delays in project completion, streamlining dispute resolution mechanisms, and imposing stricter compliance requirements on builders and banks/ financial institutions. Additionally, the interplay between RERA, insolvency laws and consumer laws, particularly in cases where builders default, might see further clarifications to ensure that the homebuyers’ rights are prioritized.

    There is also a growing demand for digitization in real estate transactions, which could lead to the integration of blockchain technology for property records and increased transparency in financial dealings. The state of Andhra Pradesh has already taken steps in this direction. The role of AI in addressing industry challenges remains to be seen. 

    Your unwavering commitment to the legal profession is truly inspiring. What has been the most rewarding aspect of your legal career so far, and what continues to fuel your passion for law? Additionally, what advice would you offer to the younger generation aspiring to build a successful career in law?

    The most rewarding aspect of my legal career has been the journey of establishing my own law firm. Building my practice from scratch, navigating complex legal challenges, and progressively gaining clients’ trust has been both fulfilling and humbling.

    As a first-generation lawyer, the challenges are constant and sometimes make me question my decision. However, these very challenges push me to improve, adapt, and thrive. The core driving force remains my fundamental duty—to listen to my clients’ concerns, provide them with the best possible solutions available under law, and represent them effectively before the courts.

    I am not sure if I have gained enough experience in the profession to be able to give advices. However, there are a few personal thoughts I can share from my journey so far. As a professional, one needs to always show up and inspire confidence in one’s surroundings—this profession demands commitment, and it is important to rise to the occasion. I also believe that one should broaden one’s perspective beyond law. A fair understanding of business, economics, philosophy, and current affairs can make you a more effective lawyer. Additionally, never trust the shortcuts that would inevitably come your way. Success in any profession is a marathon, not a sprint! Lastly, there is no thumb-rule for success, every individual has its own trajectory. One must trust the process and continue to give one’s best, success and excellence will follow.  

    Balancing a demanding legal career with personal well-being is undoubtedly challenging. How do you manage to strike a harmonious balance between your professional responsibilities and personal life, and what strategies do you employ to ensure that both aspects thrive without compromising either?

    Balancing a demanding legal career with personal well-being is undoubtedly challenging, and honestly, I often find myself struggling to fulfill my personal responsibilities. While I firmly believe that achieving harmony between professional and personal life is essential, I am yet to devise an effective strategy. It is something I am actively working on, especially because my mentors have always emphasized the importance of managing work in a way that ensures every aspect of life is taken care of. I hope that with time and effort, I will be able to strike that balance.

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  • “One of the most important lessons Justice A.K. Patnaik (Retd.), taught me was don’t rush after judgments. Read the statute first and try applying the law to the facts before moving on to judgments which explain the grey areas of law.” – Gaurav Rai, Managing Associate at C&S Partners.

    “One of the most important lessons Justice A.K. Patnaik (Retd.), taught me was don’t rush after judgments. Read the statute first and try applying the law to the facts before moving on to judgments which explain the grey areas of law.” – Gaurav Rai, Managing Associate at C&S Partners.

    This interview has been published by Anshi Mudgal and The SuperLawyer Team

    With nearly a decade of experience in law, what first inspired you to pursue this profession? Was it a conscious decision from the start, or did it naturally evolve over time?

    Law did not seem a natural choice for me initially. I pursued science post 10th Boards and was leaning towards a career in engineering. However, within a few months into the 11th standard, I realised I was not made for a career in science. Also, I always wanted to do something different. While I was exploring a few options, based on what was my worldview at that age, one of my close family friends chose law and that is when I tried to imagine if that is something I would enjoy. By 12th standard I knew, law was the way to go. It stunned a lot of people in a small town where engineering and medicine seemed like the only options for science students. But I had made up my mind and haven’t looked back since. 

    After completing your law degree, you went on to pursue an LL.M. in International Banking and Finance Law from University College London. What motivated you to choose this particular university, and how has your academic journey there contributed to your success in your career? Could you also share some experiences or challenges you faced during the admission process or while studying at UCL?

    Initially I had not even imagined that pursuing an LLM abroad would be one of the options I had. But my father encouraged me to seriously consider it. I was clear that I eventually wanted to pursue Litigation and Arbitration back in India. 

    Since the UK is the home to common law and a lot of Indian law has evolved from the British era, choosing to pursue my LLM in the UK became a natural choice. 

    I researched online and had discussions with a few people who had already pursued their education abroad. The general consensus was that I should look for the professor under whose guidance I would want to write my thesis rather than only selecting a college / university. At that time my interest was in International Law of Foreign Investment and Treaty arbitration. Which is why I wanted to pursue my Master’s under Dr. Martins Paparinskis whose profile was something I was drawn to. He taught both these subjects at University College London in 2015-16. 

    The experience at UCL was exhilarating. Their style of teaching taught me the discipline of self study even before the lecture begins. We had the entire curriculum for the semester in our hands even before the introductory lecture. The focus was on discussions on the topics we were already supposed to have read up on and only to clear doubts based on the preliminary reading. Of the 4 subjects I had chosen, we only had only one lecture of two hours per subject in a week, giving us ample time to read before and after the lecture. This encouraged us to think independently which was the biggest takeaway from the course. 

    One of the most important courses I took up at UCL was the Academic English Writing Course. It was open to all and was a course which would help us write our thesis. This course has had immense long term impact on my career, as it was the seed which led to my academic writing bug later on and also for establishing the Arbitration Workshop Blog. 

    Honestly, the admission process was very streamlined. But I would be remiss in saying that I did everything on my own, I was given guidance by an education consultancy service in India. They were very clear that they would only guide me through the process while I focussed on preparing my essay for the selection process. They encouraged me to dig deep and write the essay based on my life and why I was the best candidate to secure a place in the master’s programme at UCL. The actual course work at UCL was enjoyable. Since we were non-europeans, we were also given the first preference in the hostel accommodations run by the University. To some extent the only challenge I faced was preparing my own meals as I chose an accommodation which did not have a mess but had kitchens on individual floors spread between 5 flatmates. But even that became enjoyable over the course of time.  

    Following your master’s, you worked as a legal assistant to Justice A.K. Patnaik (Retd.), Former Judge of the Supreme Court of India. What were your early experiences like in that role, and how did they shape your understanding of the law? Are there any values or insights from that time that you still carry with you today?

    It was the greatest introduction I could have had in the legal profession. I was the first legal assistant he had hired since his retirement from the Supreme Court and since his foray into arbitration. The one-to-one mentorship with him was a great learning experience. I got introduced to the practical aspects of contract law during my tenure with him and that has shaped my expertise. The practice of arbitration is associated more with contract Law rather than arbitration law and the fundamental aspects of contract law that I learnt on the job helped me immensely in my academic writing. 

    He had a terrific library on domestic and international contract law which broadened my horizons. I got into the habit of reading those books during my free time. One of the most important lessons he taught me was don’t rush after judgments. Read the statute first and try applying the law to the facts before moving on to judgments which explain the grey areas of law.

    When drafting arbitration awards for construction contracts, particularly regarding issues like delays in land handover, scope changes, and termination payments, what were some of the key legal challenges you faced?

    The key issues with constructions contracts were liquidated damages clauses which capped the damages for losses that occurred due to breaches on the part of the employer, such as delay in handover of land / right of away. It created a conundrum where an employer who had hopelessly delayed in handing over of the land or was in breach of an obligation under the contract, was still not liable for the damages to the extent sought by the Contractor, as there was either an exclusion clause or a liquidated damages clause. This is an interplay between Section 73, 74 and 55 of the Contract Act read with Section 23 of the Arbitration and Conciliation Act, wherein the terms of the contract, however absurd, governed the jurisdiction of the arbitral tribunal. 

    As far as change of scope of work is concerned, the disagreement stemmed from whether something amounted to change of scope of work or was it within the original scope of work. I can recall a case wherein the contractor had intimated to the employer that as part of the original objective of constructing the road, there was certain additional work that was required to be done such as shifting of certain pipelines which were not contemplated within the original scope of work. The contractor sought for the approval, however, never received the same. But as the same was necessary to move forward with the construction, they carried out the additional work and raised invoices towards it later. The Employer however rejected the invoices as they had not been approved. In such a scenario, arbitral tribunal had to rely on principles of contract law to hold that the Employer had by its conduct approved the changes, as it never objected to the same contemporaneously, and accordingly the contractor was granted the claim towards the additional work done as part of the construction.  

    Termination payment also is a complex issue. Concession agreements provide termination payment to be made to the contractor in the event of a termination of the contract, either rightful or wrongful, the quantum however being different. Such termination payment clauses are unique to concession agreements as in the DBFOT model, the concessionaire is not just responsible for the construction but also the financing among other things. In cases of termination payment, therefore, the issue of liability becomes very highly contested. Also, the quantification of termination payment used to be very complex and used to have certain grey areas, which made the calculation itself difficult. In cases where the parties spent maximum amount of time on the liability, if the issue of quantification was left unresolved, it became a challenge for the arbitral tribunal to understand the calculation methodology under the contract. This could lead to disagreement over the calculation itself and was particularly challenging on a few occasions while drafting the arbitral award in the office of Justice A.K. Patnaik.

    Can you share some of the most difficult aspects of representing public sector insurance companies in arbitration or before the National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission?

    While dealing with any public sector undertaking, the most crucial aspect is documentation. If contemporaneous documents are available clearly pointing out the issues / approvals etc during the project being carried out, it becomes easy to represent PSU’s. However the lack of documentation / decision making during the project approval / execution stage makes it difficult to successfully represent the PSU. Further, cases of Insurance come within the scope of Consumer Forums which are summary in nature and hence it becomes difficult to protect the interest of the Insurance Companies since the fora generally are established to protect the interests of the consumer. Insurance law is very technical and certain principles of law, such as, uberrima fides or utmost good faith are only applicable to insurance law. A perusal of various judgments and orders from the District and State fora indicate they do not truly apply these special provisions of law relating to Insurance Contracts and therefore the matter has to unfortunately be appealed to the National Commission. Even at the National Commission and Supreme Court level there is a dearth of the judgments which explain in detail the the unique principles of insurance law which should be applicable to various issues which the district and state fora can utilise and apply. This is one of the greatest challenge of defending a PSU Insurance company or any insurance company for that matter. 

    Having worked on complex arbitral awards and challenges involving patent illegality and public policy, how do you craft compelling arguments when challenging such awards, particularly when dealing with contract violations or lack of sufficient evidence?

    The challenge of arbitral awards is very tricky as the scope is extremely limited. Patent Illegality, as the term itself suggests, stipulates that the award should be illegal on the face of it and should not be just an alternate interpretation of the award. When challenging an arbitral award, the argument which is most convincing is, when the arbitral tribunal has gone beyond the contours of the contract or the law and given a conclusion so absurd that it falls foul of the reasonable man standard. It is rare to get a clear contract violation on the part of the tribunal and if there is such a case, the same falls squarely within the scope of the provisions of arbitration law for setting aside the award. 

    In some cases when the tribunal grants a particular award on the basis of equity the same becomes a valid ground to challenge the award when the parties have not permitted the tribunal to do so. In such cases it is best to stick to the point and not beat around the bush about each aspect of the award in an attempt to try all possible challenges and hoping one will stick. The more precise the argument and draft, the easier it is to convince a court of the patently illegal nature of the award. 

    The arbitral tribunal is considered the master of the evidence, and they have the power to decide the admissibility, relevancy, materiality and weight. Insufficiency of evidence therefore is not a ground for setting aside an award. This is because if there is some evidence, the tribunals are allowed to extrapolate and do intelligent guesswork basis the documents available for the merits of the claim and the quantification of the claims. It is only in cases where there is no evidence that an award made by the tribunal can be set aside. Although the Evidence Act (now the (Bhartiya Sakshya Sanhita) is not applicable to arbitration, the well known principles continue to apply. Hence when the tribunal applies some of these principles incorrectly, it gives an additional yet narrow window of opportunity to the judgment debtor to challenge the award. The crafting of the arguments in this regard therefore are on the lines that the principles of evidence which should have been applicable, have either not been applied or have been applied incorrectly. 

    The above are broadly the methods one can follow to challenge an award on the ground of violation of the contract or lack of evidence.   

    Looking back at your career, what project or initiative has been the most rewarding for you? What made it particularly significant, both professionally and personally?

    The Arbitration Workshop Blog, hands down, has to be the most rewarding project of mine. The initial idea and what it has turned into is surreal for both me and Gautam (my co-founder). The positive reviews I have received from people and the recognition it has given me in the legal circles warms my heart every time. We started the blog before the pandemic and consistently delivered through thought provoking deep dive articles, which is why I believe we have received continued patronage from our readers. It has also become a research tool as many of our hits are straight from google search. I hope we are able to carry on the same way and build it into something bigger, while remaining true to our core principles of creating a more informed arbitration bar and to always deep dive on an issue and discuss the entire jurisprudence, to make it a one stop shop for academic and practitioners alike.

    Given the demanding nature of your career, how do you maintain a healthy work-life balance? Also, how do you ensure your well-being safeguarding your personal health and happiness?

    Honestly it has been tough to maintain a work life balance. To put it bluntly, personal health does take a toll. In which case it is important to find ways to find your happiness and make sure you put efforts towards it whether it comes from work itself or from your side project. Also, finding 15 mins to 30 mins a day is only possible if you take a definitive stance that working out or eating right is most important to putting in long hours in this profession. I prefer playing table tennis in the evenings and working out in the morning at my home, so that it gives me the mental toughness of working through the day. Funnily enough, physical activity makes me more energetic. 

    Everyone needs to find their career, fitness and mental health goals and then balance it out. Because one size does not fit all. Most importantly balance does not mean that your day should be balanced. It could also be that you may have 3 hectic days. It is then important to take light on the 4th day and have the regular balanced days thereafter. The above scenario should not be considered as break in the routine, but rather a vehicle moving full speed ahead, which has gone a little off track, post which you take control and steer it back to the centre. 

    What advice would you give to aspiring lawyers who want to make an impact across diverse areas of law, as you have? Are there any resources or strategies you would recommend for staying up-to-date in the constantly evolving legal field?

    My go to practice is reading judgments straight from High Court websites. I track the roster which is currently deciding the matters which are of interest to me and accordingly, read judgments written by them. I start from the bottom so that I know what the court has decided and thereafter read from the top if it is of some interest to me. This has kept me in good stead over the years as I have maintained a digital notebook of these judgments and thereafter used it as a personal repository to research whenever I am faced with an issue of contract law or arbitration. The judgments also give me ideas to write something on a grey area of law which fuelled my writing career. There is no substitute to reading the original judgment, as articles generally are an interpretation of the judgment by the author of the article. The above practice also helps in increasing the speed of reading judgments and to give us a certain comfort while reading judgments. I am sure this practice will help any young professional aiming to improve their professional standing.

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  • Anish Jaipuriar, Law Graduate, NLUO, on being offered a PPO from Khaitan & Co., summer school from LSE and on mooting

    Anish Jaipuriar, Law Graduate, NLUO, on being offered a PPO from Khaitan & Co., summer school from LSE and on mooting

    Anish Jaipuriar graduated from NLUO, Cuttack, in 2014, as part of their inaugural batch. During this time he has interned with the Food Corporation of India, Khaitan & Co., Indus Legal, Zeus Law Associate, and AMSS. He has also managed the moot court committee, represented NLUO at various moots, and has also attended one of the best summer school programmes at the London School of Economics.

    Anish has received a pre-placement offer from Khaitan & Co.

    In this interview we speak to him about :

    • His mooting experience
    • Attending London School of Economics
    • Receiving a PPO from Khaitan

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers?

    Apart from law, I love watching movies, visiting new places. I am also very passionate about mooting.

    My childhood was mostly spent in Bokaro Steel City, Jharkhand. I completed my schooling from Delhi Public School. After having completed my Xth from there, my family shifted to New Delhi where I completed my XI and XII and finally appeared for the law entrance tests and got selected at NLUO. My parents were my inspirational sources which became the driving factor to get to where I am today and to where I want to go. I am a first generation lawyer, my father is a Chartered Accountant and has his private practice so, choosing law was something new for the entire family.

     

    What motivated you to choose law as a career?

    My ending up in law was more an accident than a well thought plan. I was all set to join Manchester University to pursue Economics (Hons.) and International Business, but due to various personal reasons I decided to pursue Economics (Hons.) from Delhi University, but the course did not suit me at all, so I decided to appear for law entrances and finally ended up in NLUO. Fortunately it turned out to be a life changer and I am happy it turned out the way it did.

     

    What co-curricular activities did you engage yourself in?

    Well, I was also a member of various student committees such Literary and Debating and for a brief period I was also associated with the Mess and Hostel committee. I spearheaded the 1st Intra-University Debating Competition for selection of a pool of debaters who would represent NLUO in different debating competition held nationally and internationally. I was also the member of editorial board of the 1st NLUO Law Review.

     

    You were the convener of The Moot Society. What skills do you get to hone while managing such a responsibility?

    In the five years of my law school life, I have regularly been associated with The Moot Society (TMS) in several capacities: as a member for one academic session, a convener for three academic sessions and as an expert advisor in my final year. Mooting is one of the most important activities that take place in a law school apart from academics. Given that my University was in its early years of establishment, as a convener you have the biggest responsibility of developing mooting culture in a law school, and with our current Mooting Premier League (MPL) ranking I feel very happy.

    These years of my association with TMS has helped me improve on my inter-personal skills, organizational skills and has made me more responsible. It helped me develop and polish my multi-tasking skills.

     

     

    How important is mooting?

    (Anish has participated in various moot court competitions like ELSA, Price Law Media, NLUD Corp, and GH Raisoni.)

    In the first few weeks of law school I decided to do four moots: two as speaker and two as researcher. When I took this decision I had no clue how it would help my CV, but sure as anything I wanted to add good content to my CV and make it long. It was only in time that I learnt it is not the number of pages in CVs that help you but the quality that you carry in it. In the four moots that I have done, one got me a Best Memorandum award and in the other one I was adjudged the Best Mooter and my team qualified into the semi-finals.

    Mooting helps you identify and improve your legal skills, the answer to the question whether it helps your CV is an absolute YES!!

     

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    Can you tell us about your experience at LSE?

    (Anish attended a summer school course at the prestigious London School of Economics and Political Science on Introduction to International Financial Law and Regulation.)

    LSE is one of the top schools in the world and to have its name in my CV was a big for me. The experience of being part of LSE history and to study there and walk around the campus is just something you can’t compare. No matter how great you think it is going to be, the LSE feel is just beyond imagination. Though it was a short course of three weeks, you have so many things to be done; if you intend to pass the exams and submit the essays for evaluation in time you will soon realize that this trip is not a holiday. Right from the welcome party to boat party to weekends’ trip to Oxford and Cambridge, the entire course is filled with events like opera, drama and sightseeing, LSE leaves you wanting for more.

    LSE summer school takes place in two sessions, you can select a course from each session and attend both session or you can attend just one session. The application process is online, fill in the application within deadline submit the same along with supporting documents with the application fee (request for waiver may be made), and wait for them to reply. You can check the status of your application online. For more info you can visit this webpage.

     

    Tell us what all places you interned at and how did you procure your internships?

    When it comes to internship, I find myself quite lucky, because I am sure even with the right merits and grades one may not land up a good internship. I started my first Corporate Law internship at Hemant Sahai Associates, thereafter I interned with Khaitan & Co in its Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore offices. I also had the opportunity to intern with Zeus Law Associates with its corporate team. I have also done an internship with Amarchand & Mangaldas & Suresh A Shroff & Co, Mumbai office.

    I got through HSA, KCo. and AMS internships trough e-mail and interview process and Zeus and litigation internship through Internship committee in place at NLUO.

     

    What kind of work did you come across during your internships?

    At KCo. I was associated with the corporate team, I was also asked to accompany a team to another city for a due-diligence work. At AMSS, I was interning in the tax team and was given mostly research work.

     

    Give us some tips on framing a CV?

    Preparing your CV is more like a balancing act; you must balance both the curriculum side, extra-curricular and co-curricular side. But again there is no straight rule for preparing your CV. To a certain extent it depends for which place the CV is meant for.

     

    You secured a PPO from Khaitan & Co. Did you have an interview before you were offered the PPO? Tell us about the interview process and how did you prepare for it?

    Yes, after completing my third and last internship at KCO, I applied for a position and was shortlisted for interview. After clearing the first round of interview, I was shortlisted for second round and after clearing the same I was then offered a PPO.

    I mostly read the basics of Company Law, and prepared my CV; one needs to know everything that has been mentioned in the CV. Companies Act 2013 was another important area of questioning.

     

    What do you think an intern should do to get the “call-back”?

    The first week of any internship is the most crucial, because they start to entrust you with work and the quicker you get the associates to give you meaningful work, the faster you can rely on them to give you good feedback which plays a crucial role for a call-back. Also, you need to give your best; seriousness and punctuality goes a long way in making an impression. No matter how small the work is, do it well and you will be noticed.

     

    Where do you see yourself five years from now?

    In five years I see myself as a senior associate. LL.M is definitely a plan, but for now I want to concentrate on what I have right now.

     

    You being from the first batch of NLUO, do you think that being from a relatively new law college made any difference?

    Being the first batch of a law school we did not have any alumni to look up to for help and support, so we had to do everything from the start. This really helped us as it made us more independent and allowed us to witness and build a law school from the scratch.

    Yes, as a new law school we didn’t have a well functioning internship or placement committee in place, so we did face a lot of trouble getting the attention of the law firms and lawyers. Even when it comes to mooting it took us a lot of time to make our mark, we learnt from our mistakes and improved upon them. As a first batch we did realise our geographical disadvantage but we have worked really hard to reduce the affect of the same, right from hosting Stetson, to organising international and national seminar and conferences.

     

    What message would you like to give to our readers?

    I will convey it in the famous words of Walt Disney: “If you can DREAM it, you can DO it.” Obstacles will come in life; no matter where and what you are just work hard, just keep in mind that every time you have to make a choice about anything, always ask yourself whether this goes toward or away from what you want? Always choose what goes towards what you want.

     

  • Rohan Mukherjee, Founder, Grayscale Legal, on environment law, entrepreneurship, and his internship experience

    Rohan Mukherjee, Founder, Grayscale Legal, on environment law, entrepreneurship, and his internship experience

     

    rohan-mukherjee1Rohan Mukherjee is a student of NLU Odisha, Cuttack, batch of 2015. In 2013 he started his own entrepreneurial venture, Grayscale Legal, a non-profit company to bridge the gap in demand and supply of good legal research. Grayscale Legal  is a Legal Assistance & Research Service Company aimed at getting law students recognized and placed on the basis of their mettle, rather than their grades. Due to Grayscale’s success he was also inducted as a fellow into Kairos Society – a worldwide association for entrepreneurs and innovators. Apart from being an entrepreneur, he has also received a pre-placement offer from India’s first Environment Law firm – Enviro Legal Defence Firm.

    In this interview he talks to us about:

    • Starting up with GrayScale Legal
    • Getting inducted into Kairos Society
    • His internship experience

    How did you gravitate towards law?

    Well, that could be a long answer for one question. See, I had given up on my science subjects in school because my interest didn’t lie there, and I saw no sense in pursuing something that I, with all my heart, didn’t see myself in. As a child, when you see your relatives around you who happen to be lawyers, enjoying a great lifestyle, it does create an illusion that life gets to be easy with a robe on. Well, of course, we learn otherwise later on, but the money and influence does play an attractive role to a teenager. Changing the world and fighting for ideals comes later.

     

    What were the different things that you did these five years at NLUO?

    Well, I do play drums and percussion, so that kept me engaged in my initial years, although I failed to set up band for the University. I write a lot, sometimes short opinionated satires, or dabble with my own black humor genre of poetry. My apprehension towards public speaking was removed when I was introduced to parliamentary debates, and those seven minutes of speaking time, still makes my adrenaline pumping. Apart from all this, I have been a part of some other ventures and organizations as well in various capacities, like being the Associate Director of Model Governance Foundation at one point. I started Grayscale Legal in my third year, which is a Legal Assistance & Research Service Company aimed at getting law students recognized and placed on the basis of their mettle, rather than their grades. I was recently inducted into the Kairos Society as well.

     

    rohan-mukherjee2Please tell us about your project Grayscale Legal.

    We are a Section 25 private limited that provides legal professionals and laymen with Legal Research and Assistance. Our basic aim is to assign students to professionals on various assignments on a monthly basis or a task wise basis in order to get their work recognized by the concerned client which in turn materializes into further opportunities and job offers.

     

    Where did you get the inspiration for this venture?

    It started as a survival instinct for myself. I knew that just my grades won’t get me ‘placed’ anywhere, but at the same time I also knew that I wasn’t a complete idiot. The only way to make a potential employer know you for your work, for the sheer ability to perform and deliver and to an extent ignore the fact that exams are not your best friend, was to take up assignments from them directly and work in exchange for recognition. Also, law offices do not have legal interns in their office all the time, and being a cloud based company, we get to fill in that gap virtually. Also, with students’ access to campus libraries, online legal databases etc., the research material is vicariously accessible to the clients as well.

     

    What factors do you think makes your project innovative and successful?

    We are far from successful at this juncture. But I would like to think of Grayscale Legal as a way to bridge the gap between campus and offices. Sure, there is nothing innovative about that, but our aim is not to simply dole out research assignments, our aim is to enable law students to generate their own pool of contacts – established professionals who recognize and recommend them for their professionalism. I should also vouch for the selfish interest factor, where a student is assigned to a client, it is up to him/her to undertake full responsibility for these projects and apart from the commission, the prospect of a  job offer, that you have managed to earn yourself is a kick in itself.

     

    Initial investment is a big issue for any start- up, how did you manage that?

    Being a cloud based company, and a non-profit one, I was able to bootstrap the initial expenditure from my father and uncle. I am fortunate that they saw some merit in this idea and were on board. Of course, our expenditure is limited to the website maintenance and incorporation costs.

     

    What challenges arise when you handle law school and entrepreneurship at the same time?

    I don’t really get worked up about on-campus matters, apart from the gnawing fact that I need to graduate next year at all cost. But for me, Grayscale Legal takes complete precedence over everything else. I mean, to be honest, I wouldn’t be where ever I am, giving this interview, I wouldn’t be attending client meetings and speaking to them on a level basis if not for this company. Every week starts off with a full blast of insecurity and every day is a pounding of anxieties when it comes to the future of the company, or daily assignments for that matter. I do tend to micromanage a lot, which was my strategy to prevent anything from getting messed up, but I am gradually training myself to let things go – or to delegate them to other people.

     

    Tell us a bit about Kairos society. What do you have to do being a part of it? How did you become a member?

    The Kairos Fellowship is designed to support individuals working on high-impact ventures. The newly inducted members are immediately entered into a community of likeminded changemakers, and they’re presented with opportunities to connect with industry leaders and influencers through Kairos events and Kairos partners. When their venture is ready for distribution, they’re encouraged to apply for this Kairos 50 venture program. You can also read a bit about it on Kairos Society

    The Kairos Society started with a vision: What if the leaders of today were friends 30 years ago, working together to solve our world’s grandest challenges? Becoming a Kairos fellow is a commitment to impact, and we hope to take full advantage of the opportunities presented to us throughout the year. More importantly, we hope to continue to support each other on the path to creating meaningful ventures, and build relationships that will last a lifetime.

    To become a member you have to be recommended by an existing fellow or apply on your own. The modalities are on their website. This is open for students working on their ventures that might have a global impact.

     

    How supportive are your parents and peers towards this project?

    Well, there is plenty of support from my parents. Rest, I haven’t really thought about. Doesn’t matter anyway. As long as you know what you’re doing, and doing it well and with complete dedication, charging after it like a rhino – Support and good wishes from third parties are just a bonus.

     

    Why are so many aspiring lawyers taking the entrepreneurial plunge?

    No campus placements? Kidding. In my view entrepreneurship and litigation walk hand in hand – the thrill and risk of starting your practice from scratch, making your services worth the client’s money, client retention, growth and expansion of business are all common areas. Of course, we are lucky to be living in this era where the internet apart from making us aware various prospects, has given birth to many ventures as well. Also people have starting to realize that a law degree is a like a passport to a multitude of fields, and is never necessarily bound in a chain. It is brilliant that many are turning to set up their own ventures that have changed the way the legal fraternity interacts with the legal ecosystem. There still has to be a burst in technological innovation in this field – we are still satisfied with an Android app of the Supreme Court listing, where as there are software programs used in other countries, by lawyers, which reduce the time taken for legal research by leaps and bounds. That level of tech-savviness still needs to come in India. Hopefully, our generation will take care of that.

     

    What specific areas of law education helped you in your venture?

    I would have to say Company Law since it is after all an incorporated entity. But frankly, no legal education really prepares you for this. Today I can rattle out the importance and use of DIN (Director Identification Number), the process of preparing and filing the MoA and AoA, the documents used, the property documents to be produced as proof for office space – and no paper prepared me for this, or it could have, but I didn’t pay attention. I mean, the idea that we could possibly register ourselves as a Section 25 company came to me after going through online articles, and then perusing through Section 25 of the Companies Act itself. Which is also interesting because strictly speaking, the provision chalks out organizations whose purposes are ‘educational’, ‘charitable’ or ‘religious’ – but it is followed by ‘or any other useful purpose’. I reckoned that our work is definitely ‘useful’ so I cast my line based purely on calculated guts.

     

    Do you intend to work for this project primarily after your graduation?

    After graduation my priorities will naturally change. I need to build myself as a legal professional first and foremost, and I realize that I will not be able to juggle both with equal dedication and in essence, fail to do justice to both of these arenas. I do intend to shift the management of the Company to another student, and of course, in our line of work it makes perfect sense for the person to be personally motivated to see the company grow and evolve and use it as means to your professional life, and that can only appeal to a student, someone who generally will possess that sense of urgency and insecurity. I will still remain a Director, but will restrict my involvement to the bare minimum.

     

    Did you get any institutional support for internships from your college?

    In my course of four years, I have interned with Sr. Adv. Uday U. Lalit, West Bengal Human Rights Commission, Enviro Legal Defence Firm (ELDF), Sinha & Co., AZB Delhi, AZB Mumbai and  followed by a string of ELDF internships.

    I would say all of them helped shape up my career choice in a great way. Sometimes, only after gaining some experience in a particular office can you be completely assured of your distaste for that work culture or professional life. I remember during my second year, when  was interning with ELDF for the first time, there was a day when the office was almost empty  and our Managing Partner, Sanjay Upadhyay simply asked me to speak to a client who would be coming in a while since he had to leave as well. I mean, it might not seem a big deal, but as a second year student, to be able to interact with a client with no one overseeing your interaction at that point was itself a kick. My subsequent internships with ELDF have been amazing as well – I have also been to our North Eastern office in Guwahati a few months back, and to be involved to this extent at this level, is something very few mentors can successfully do. Of course, you are constantly humbled by the fact when it comes to any field of law, let’s say laws concerning the environment in this case, there is so much to know – and the in-depth knowledge that is required for a person to confidently say, that yeah, I know this subject, takes a lifetime. Or perhaps, more!

     

    How did you apply to Enviro Legal Defence Firm?

    For an internship, you are required to mail the Internship In-Charge Ms. Suparna Jain at suparna@eldfindia.com and that is usually followed by a submission of your CV and a short essay encircling your statement of purpose etc. A student can intern for four weeks or more and if I remember correctly, during my second year, they did say that they take in students from their third year onwards, but I managed to get an exception since we had covered, on paper, Environmental Law as a subject in our second year.

     

    Tell us a bit about the firm, your typical workday and the overall work/life balance.

    ELDF is an independent team of erudite legal professionals, which provides services to anyone who approaches us, including Governments, Non-Government Organizations, Educational Institutions, Individuals, Private and External Agencies engaged in areas of environment and development law. We have been a part of numerous international forums and have helped in policy building in many nations. Our firm is divided into two teams – Consultancy and Litigation. There are various regional offices present in cities like Pune, Guwahati, Ernakulam and Ranchi.

    My typical work day is like any other associate at the firm. Since, I work with the litigation team, if a matter I am involved in is listed in the NGT or Supreme Court, I have to be  there for the hearing. If not, the work on the cases/projects assigned which ranges from research, drafting, client meetings, further information gathering and strategy building takes up time. The question of work/life balance is a difficult one, of course.

    I am one of those who believe that if you are passionate about your work, it is difficult to switch your ‘professional life’ off after 9 PM or maintain some form of clock for the same. I won’t say that there is an extreme pressure, but it certainly depends on an individual’s priorities. Even as an intern you are credited at par with associates, and made answerable for any screw-ups as well. Office hours would be from 10 AM to 6 PM, but as in any law office, you are expected to put in extra hours if the work demands so.

     

    What do you think interns should accomplish in the course of their internship to get a callback?

    (Rohan has secured a PPO with ELDF.)

    You have to market your strengths in any work environment. And it’s not like you have to prowl around for any work offer that may come your way, if you are genuinely interested in a particular field and feel that a particular law office shall provide you with the perfect exposure in the same, go for it.

    After a few conversations with Sanjay Sir, I had made some form of positive impression on him. Hes has also been a guide when I was setting up Grayscale Legal and was instrumental in providing his feedback on the same. It is very difficult to pin-point exactly ‘how it happened’ because it happened very naturally which is how it should be. And naturally, my work with Grayscale Legal certainly played a role in backing this up as well.

     

    Was there any interview process?

    There wasn’t any formal interview as such for this. There might be one after graduation though.

     

    Where do you see yourself five years from now?

    The initial 5 years will be difficult, and frankly, I look forward to the nudging and pushing required now. Five years is also a make-it-or-break-it period for myself; the time required to be well versed with the laws and procedures; to have substantial visibility in courts and do my work well. For me, nothing takes priority over a client’s interest – one might get into long ethical debates on the same, but let’s save that for later. For a start, apart from my legal career, I’d love to open up a quaint, warm pub, I’d like to pursue my music as well – so five years down the line, I hope I am happy with where ever I am. Or perhaps not. Being dissatisfied has worked out well for me so far.

     

    What would be your message to law students who want to start-up?

    Go for it. Trust me, you will not get a better time to fall, fail and learn again.