Category: Interviews

  • Aditya Manubarwala, Law Clerk – Cum- Research Assistant, Supreme Court, shares his experience as the youngest Global Peace Ambassador to India

    Aditya Manubarwala, Law Clerk – Cum- Research Assistant, Supreme Court, shares his experience as the youngest Global Peace Ambassador to India

     

    Aditya Manubarwala is an Indian attorney and columnist on issues of law and public policy. He is serving as Law Clerk – Cum- Research Assistant at the Supreme Court of India (2018- 19) having been appointed by the Chief Justice of India and deputed to Hon. Mr. Justice Vineet Saran, Judge, Supreme Court of India.

    He is also the incumbent Global Peace Ambassador to India (2018-19) appointed by the Centre for Peace Studies, Sri Lanka.  He has previously served as Special Advisor on International Law & Affairs to Najibullah Azad, the then Spokesman to President of Afghanistan. He has also served as an Attaché to the Office of the Speaker of the Lok Sabha and is one of the youngest Indians to depose before a committee of Parliament in Indian Legislative History at the age of nineteen. In March 2018, the Kathmandu Tribune Nepal described Manubarwala as ‘Asia’s emerging youth leader. He is also the 2nd youngest Indian to have deposed before any Committee of Parliament in Indian Legislative History.

    In August 2016, he was selected as an Indian Delegate at the Harvard Asia Conference, Hong Kong. Whilst at Hong Kong he also received the Chinese General Chambers of Commerce (CGCC) HPAIR Scholarship. The CGCC Scholarship is awarded to youth leaders across the globe who have shown commitment and enthusiasm towards empowering their country, community and Asia at large.

    In the interview we speak about

    • Experience of working at the Supreme Court
    • His research on article 72 of the Indian Constitution
    • His vision on the future of India’s engagement with the international law regime
    • Experience as the youngest Global Peace Ambassador to India

     

    Please share your experience of working at the Supreme Court of India as a Law clerk-cum- research assistant? Does this experience help you with your public policy reform work?

    Working in the Supreme Court of India has been one of the most enriching experiences of my life. The multi-dimensional approach that one acquires while working on a wide array of matters across different fields and areas of law is rewarding in every way.  Every year the Chief Justice of India appoints Law Clerks (who are generally fresh law graduates). These Law Clerks are selected from one of the most competitive exams in India conducted by the Supreme Court of India.

    It’s been close to 6 months since I have been appointed as a Law Clerk – cum- Research Assistant and these 6 months have been a time of immense learning. One tends to appreciate the nuances of law as well as get acquainted with the inner workings of the Apex Court of our country in an unprecedented manner. I am close to completing the 500th matter in the court. Law clerks often provide significant research on ongoing cases up for final hearing. As a Law Clerk, amongst other things, I am expected to prepare a short briefing note which essentially summarizes the entire Special Leave Petition in 1 or a maximum of 2 pages. My ability to grasp, process and interpret vast, diverse and often complicated propositions of law has expanded significantly. One of the Judges of the Supreme Court of India once told me early in my tenure, that a lawyer, who can write well, is a lawyer who can speak well. I couldn’t agree more with this. As a law clerk, a vast amount of time is devoted towards reading paper books related to concerned cases which is ultimately processed and churned out into succinct notes; a logical corollary of this is improved writing skills and this in turn, significantly enhances verbal communication. A clerkship serves as a great prepping experience for a lawyer attempting to build his/her life in litigation, especially as an arguing counsel.

    Of the many diverse cases that come up before the Supreme Court, the most interesting ones are the public interest litigation cases which question the Government of the day to account for omissions or commissions concerning implementation of the policy framed by it. While working on such cases, it is but natural that the genesis of the public policy has to be looked into as well the legal and practical creases and flaws in them.  Working on such cases naturally helps get a more holistic picture of the workings of public policy and I feel blessed to have gotten this kind of exposure.

    You recently did a detailed study on ‘Article 72 of the Constitution of India’ that highlights the overlapping of powers between the Governor and the President pertaining to the commutation of death penalty. Tell us a little more about the research. Why did you undertake this and why is this important? How do you intend to take this forward?

    The seeds of this discussion were sowed in my mind while I was watching the news on a rather interesting day when the entire nation had their eyes glued on whether Yakub Menon would be sent to the gallows or not. While the news bulletin ticker showed President Pranab Mukherji having rejected the mercy petition of Menon, my eyes got fixated on a rather small ticker showing Yakub Menon now approaching the Governor of Maharashtra with his mercy petition. It got me curious to understand how Menon was even doing what he was doing. I perused the Constitution of India looking for answers and at the end of it, I was even more perplexed and disturbed than ever before. Article 72 (2) of the Constitution of India provides the President of India the power to commute a death sentence into life imprisonment (popularly called as the power to grant mercy). However, this power of the President is enjoyed by the Governor of the States, in the sense that the power of the Governor is equal to, and not inferior to the President of India in terms of commuting a death sentence down to life imprisonment. There exists no hierarchical division where the President is considered a superior authority to the Governor. This can perfectly emanate a situation wherein the President after rejecting the mercy petition of an anti-social element is overturned by the Governor of a State. Even if the Governor pocket vetoes the mercy petition (under advisement of the Central Government), the death sentence can be suspended on account of want of consideration, the moment the governor is approached. Interestingly, all these concerns were pointed out by Mr. Tajjamul Hussain, a member of the Constituent Assembly of India to Dr. B. R. Ambedkar during the drafting of the Indian Constitution.

    My research on the aforesaid won the best essay prize at the 10th DD Basu Constitutional Law Essay Competition organized by NUJS Kolkata, whilst I was still a law student. Subsequently, I placed my findings on record before the Lok Sabha Speakers Research Initiative as well as discussed the same with Shri Pranab Mukherji, the Former President of India. My concerns have been patiently considered by senior political and legal functionaries but I believe that unless the highest offices of the country are sensitized about the massive constitutional crisis that this can bring about, there won’t be any tangible action. I have already sought an appointment with the President of India and I plan to petition the Prime Minister of India as well.

    We understand that apart from public policy and law, you are also very active in the SAARC region and the international arena. Kindly share with our readers some notable experiences you have had. How did this journey begin and what’s your vision on the future of India’s engagement with the international law regime?

    I represented India at the Harvard Asia Conference, Hong Kong, 2016. During the conference, I got acquainted with like-minded and socially driven individuals from 90 nations.  After the conference, the interconnectedness of the global order dawned upon me and I started viewing domestic issues from an international perspective. Paying a closer emphasis to SAARC nations was the logical corollary for me. I am very passionate towards bettering the human rights regime in India and with my new found interest towards international relations, I started looking at SAARC as a holistic block. Drawing inspiration from the ECHR and other regional international human rights conventions, I along with my friend Shooha Tabil (a noted environmentalist from Bangladesh) drafted a draft SAARC convention on human rights. While lobbying for the enactment of this at the office of the President of Afghanistan, I came in touch with the Spokesman to the President, Mr. Najibullah Azad. Mr. Azad had previously read some of the articles I had published in Kabul Times and was thus well acquainted with my work. While the SAARC draft convention did not take off, due to instability in the SAARC grouping and Pakistan’s objections, Azad and I formed a deep bond. Subsequently, Azad appointed me as his Special Advisor and I prepared assets for Afghanistan’s National Water Policy Framework, with a special focus on leveraging Afghanistan’s Water Potential (I have also published an article in this regard in Modern Diplomacy Europe).  Additionally, I worked on drafting a white paper towards reforming Afghanistan’s Courts and Administrative system.

    Apart from Afghanistan, I also work closely with prominent civil society members of Bangladesh and Nepal on bringing to the fore issues of larger relevance before the international community.

    In the international law arena, I see this to be a time of great opportunity as India is placed in the best position it has ever been in her 70 year history. India has always led from the front and shown immense respect to the international law regime right since her independence. However, with its rising stature as a global super power, India’s engagement with multi-lateral commercial dispute resolution bodies, the international arbitration regime apart from International Court of Justice, and other forums is only bound to rise. These are interesting times for young attorneys.

    You were also recently appointed as the youngest Global Peace Ambassador to India by the Centre of Peace Studies in Srilanka (affiliated to the UN). How did that happen and tell us a little about your role as Global Peace Ambassador.

    My increasing role in SAARC affairs led me to forging important relations in Sri Lanka. One such person is Mr. Shiraz Yoonus, who is a close aid of Mr. Mahinda Rajapaksa, the former President and former Prime Minister of Sri Lanka. I, in fact even served as Special Advisor to Mr. Yoonus on matters of International law and affairs for a brief period. Given my experience in the international law and public policy arena, including SAARC affairs and Sri Lankan affairs, the Centre for Peace Studies Sri Lanka (affiliated to the UN) decided to nominate me as their Global Peace Ambassador to India for 2018- 19. My role as Peace Ambassador has no defined terms, with me being given a wide landscape to operate on. Amongst other things, I have worked hard towards establishing a forum which serves as a connecting pod between the rising youth of India and Sri Lanka. I have also coordinated the international outreach efforts of Mr. Rajapaksa towards bridging the element of distrust existing between India and Sri Lanka on account of the Chinese influence in the region. My role has therefore been to ensure that the collective interests of India and Sri Lanka are not compromised by a resurgent China, which is trying its best in stifling the relevance of smaller countries with its economic bulldozer diplomacy.

    I have also leveraged my position towards spreading awareness in India about the international law regime and the dispute resolution mechanisms available in the international arena.

    What are your future plans? Is there any other significant research work that you have undertaken domestically or internationally in the area of public reform or towards bettering the global human rights regime?

    I am currently working towards the enactment of the SAARC convention on human rights as well as the enactment of the SAARC Water Dispute Settlement Board.

    The genesis behind my endeavor towards the SAARC Convention on Human Rights is the very fact that major international groups – be it the European Union or the Organization of American States, have a regional human rights convention setting basic standards of human rights enshrined and considered sacrosanct by them. However, an all encompassing human rights convention for SAARC is conspicuously absent. It must be understood that SAARC is a major international group of states, all of which are very closely connected by common history, cultural ethos, societal values and family values. For a better part of history, most of the countries in this group were governed by the same administrative systems. Having said this, it is but natural that the commonality of their value systems is synchronized into a holistic treaty.

    To this end, the first step towards this project has been to create a group of likeminded individuals from SAARC nations who are busy imploring upon their governments to take this treaty forward. My team and I have made some significant headway in countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan. However, the process is admittedly still a long way off . With regard to my work towards establishing a SAARC Water Dispute Resolution Board, the idea is still in a nascent stage. Currently, I am working and co-coordinating with a few international – trans-boundary water experts to arrive at a common ground on the principles which ought to govern this board. Once drafted, the next step would be to get Government support officially. This endeavor of mine is being supported informally by certain ministers from SAARC countries (who don’t wished to be named at this stage). However, work is still underway at a government-to- government level and I will be able to share more details once significant progress has been made.

    I ultimately aim to be a litigating lawyer bringing to the fore often neglected issues of law, public policy and human rights while also maintaining a commercially lucrative practice. I hope to hold an elected public office in India someday in the future.

    In the short run, I aim to pursue masters in law (LL.M) from a reputed institute abroad in the area of Constitutional Law and public policy.

  • Amrit Subhadarsi, Assistant Professor, KIIT University, on experience in academia and legal education system of India

    Amrit Subhadarsi is currently an assistant professor at KIIT University. He completed his BA LLB from School of Law, KIIT Deemed to be University, and his masters in Corporate Law from National Law University, Odisha in 2017 and was nominated as LLM student representative to Prof G.V Ajappa, a leading expert on jurisprudence in India. He has written a book on Standard Essential Patents and abuse of dominance in the global telecommunication industry, which has been published by Laxmi Book Publications. He regularly engages with institutions and regulators alike to provide a platform for students to learn practical insights into the workings in a particular industry in corporate law. Before joining the academia, He has also worked as a trademark analyst in legal consultancy wherein, He has engaged extensively in analyzing and preparing reports on trademark case laws from the European Union and Commonwealth.

    In this interview we speak to him about:

    • His interest in academia
    • His opinion on the Indian legal education system; and
    • His experience as an Assistant Professor at KIIT University.

     

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PRE-COLLEGE LIFE?

    I am a soft-spoken and amicable person, with a passion for reading and writing. I am a native of Odisha and belong to a non-legal background. During my higher secondary schooling in Kolkata, I was a shy kid, a major obstacle in a society which considers shyness as a demerit. I was fortunate enough that I had good friends to guide me during my tough days. I was and still am a voracious reader. I never had much inclination towards pursuing commerce or science and I felt like I had a calling for arts subjects. Particularly, subjects like political science and sociology became my favourite. While reading newspapers, often I came across legal articles and interviews which I used to read with great interest and thus began the quest for having legal knowledge.

    YOU HAVE DONE YOUR MASTERS IN LAW. HOW WAS YOUR LLM EXPERIENCE AT NLU ORISSA. WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES YOU HAD FACED WHILE STUDYING AT NLU ORISSA?

    The introduction of one year LLM has turned out to be a bane. One year LLM does not allow the student to explore research avenues effectively. For instance, if a person wishes to be a member of a research center, or take part in moot courts, then such avenues are not there. Further, it does not allow the student to make any one particular area as a specialization because many subjects have to be studied in such a short span of time. There are few institutes that encourage LLM students to take part in moots. But, this needs to be institutionalized, because more than mooting skills, research in moot courts can help the LLM student to make it a specialization later. I was fortunate enough, that despite the one year LLM, I managed to be an active member of the Center for Corporate Law, be nominated to represent the institution in a lecture series by Professor G.V Ajappa, a leading authority on jurisprudence in India. Also, my dissertation secured the highest marks which I have converted into a book slated for a release in March.

    WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE INDIAN LEGAL EDUCATION SYSTEM?

    At the moment there is a large vacuum in the Indian legal education system. Systematic changes need to happen across three levels: students, parents and institution. At the student level, they need to understand that five years of legal education is not to just to train them with skills for the corporate sector but to equip them with analytical skills prerequisite for the legal profession. This brings me to the other two levels: parents and institutions. It is here that a paradigm shift is required. Many parents look forward to a well-paying job after graduation, but not necessarily quality education. In India therefore, the focus is on to generate placements and not delivering quality education. Fortunately, KIIT School of Law has emerged as an exception to this trend as among other laurels it has now secured the most innovative law school award in 2018.

    HOW HAS LEGAL EDUCATION SYSTEM CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES AS WELL AS DISADVANTAGES OF THIS CHANGE? WHAT CAN STUDENTS OF TODAY LEARN FROM THE OLD SYSTEM OF LEGAL EDUCATION?

    The legal education system has undergone a sea change over the years. Some advantages include many institutions like KIIT School of Law and a few others providing excellent infrastructure and resources to students. The new legal education system is also incorporating emerging trends in society, through classroom innovation, developing legal clinics, practical training for mock trials and moot courts, corporate and business laws being part of the curriculum more frequently. The advantage is that the students get the opportunity to learn practical aspects apart from theory at a very young stage, unlike in the earlier system, where such skills were taught only in the final years. Besides these advantages, the demerit is that students are no longer researching from books and journals as they used to before and this is inhibiting their development of analytical skills. Students must go beyond the ‘Google it’ mentality to ‘original research’ mentality.

    WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO CHOOSE TEACHING AS A CAREER?

    I always had an inclination for reading, writing and researching on my areas of interest. I never found research as boring as many in their student days often complain. Quite frankly, I was confused for quite some time even in my final year as well and still remember how my friends tolerated my constant changes in decisions. Eventually, as I was delivering a demo lecture during one of my post graduation classes, I realized this is something I could do passionately, not feel like work and not be bored. When you come out of class fully satisfied, that is when you know that you are in the right profession. These coupled with my patience for research and writing help cement my decision for academia.

    TELL US ABOUT YOUR TEACHING METHODOLOGY.

    Depending upon the subject, the teaching method varies. For instance, a paper having a mix of theoretical and practical knowledge ensures that I adopt lecture and Socratic Method along with practical training such as classroom simulations, or activity based class assignments, etc. For theory subjects, I usually adopt a mix of lecture and Socratic dialogue method. Before beginning the class, I regularly ask the students about the discussions in the previous class so the next class commences from where we left off. Reading assignments for the next class are also given.

    HOW IMPORTANT A ROLE DO YOU THINK LAW SCHOOL PLAYS IN SHAPING ONE’S CAREER?

    It is common knowledge in legal fraternity that teaching standards in Indian law schools have come down drastically. That does not mean all law schools should be painted with the same brush. Both the institution and student complement each other for laying down the foundation for future development. The current crop of students comes with a ‘fixed mindset’, whereas what is needed is a ‘growth mindset’. The same standard for any law school also. Based on their mindset, the student shapes his or her formative years at law school.

    All law schools may not be perfectly equipped to provide practical training, but they do provide opportunities for learning them through moot courts, internships, training courses, among others. Law schools are platforms for a vibrant mix of theoretical and practical training. But to learn them, the student has to navigate his way through networking. It is not a one-way street. Both students and institutions when complement each other, it leads to holistic development. What is needed therefore is a way to engage with students and institutions holistically. For instance, KIIT School of Law is one of the few institutions where because of engagement; many of our students have excelled in national and international moots, publications, higher academic research, among others.

    YOU ARE NOW WORKING AS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT KIIT UNIVERSITY. HOW IS YOUR WORK EXPERIENCE SO FAR?

    The experience of working at the school of law, KIIT Deemed to be University has been very comforting. When you start working at a place that is unfamiliar to you, there are some challenges you need to encounter, for instance, blending in with new people, with the work culture. But KIIT has been special for me for a number of reasons. Firstly, working at your alumnus provides me with a sense of pride when viewed from the other side of the table and working alongside many of my faculties who are always there to guide me. This helps increase your productivity manifold and sense of belongingness. Secondly, KIIT School of Law has been awarded the most innovative law school in India for 2018 and KIIT University has also earned a place in the Times Higher Education rankings. Working at a prestigious institution like this has given me exposure like never before and has definitely added to my professionalism traits.

    COULD YOU GIVE OUR YOUNG READERS CERTAIN TIPS ON EXCELLING IN ACADEMICS?

    Firstly, it is imperative for the faculty to reach class not on time but five minutes before time as it allows the faculty to prepare mentally. Students also would know that time must be maintained and consequently, the flow of teaching will not be disturbed. One should understand that excelling in academics not only means being a good teacher, but also a good guide, a good writer and researcher. If writing, lecturing and researching fascinate a student, then academics can be given a shot. Hence, prioritization is critical.

    Preparing the agenda of the class a day before leaves room for actual preparation for class. One should also accept the fact that not all students will have equal levels of aptitude and curiosity which is why regurgitating whatever preparation was made before class is not going to be enough. Students expect innovativeness in teaching and hence the teacher must be updated about subject content (hard skills) and an effective orator and communicator (soft skills). Also just like the student, once in academics, the individual must not stop reading. Effort must be made to make the teaching as interdisciplinary as possible so that both students and teachers have scope to add value to classroom discussions. Lastly, research and writing must be at the highest level. For instance, I have successfully converted my dissertation, which secured the highest marks, into a book which is slated for release this March.

     

    WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE TO STUDENTS WHO WISH TO PURSUE CAREER IN ACADEMICS BUT ARE CONFUSED BETWEEN LITIGATION AND ACADEMICS?

    Both litigation and academics have their own set of desired skill sets and perks. There is a common misconception that a job in academia means a comfortable lifestyle. This fallacious attitude leads many to take up academics as well. But I believe, as a student, one should first prepare a list of do’s and don’ts. For instance, the latter can include not succumbing to peer pressure and herd mentality. This will allow the student to take a realistic approach.

    The former can include watching out for signs where the student can develop skills. If the student has the inclination to research, write, loves to speak on a platform, and just loves to read, teaching is ideal. However, if the idea is to use the aforesaid to practice and argue before a judge, he or she must be prepared to struggle for years in litigation before making decent money. Of course, such choices do get affected by scenarios like mounting student loans or other financial burdens, in which case choosing litigation instead of a well-paid job is a pursuit in a fool’s paradise.

    HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO WRITE YOUR FIRST BOOK COMPARATIVE LAW RELATING TO PATENTS AND ABUSE OF DOMINANCE IN THE GLOBAL TELECOMMUNICATION INDUSTRY? WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES YOU FACED AS A FIRST-TIME WRITER?

    I was already interested in this topic during my LL.B and got familiar with this topic when our team secured the approval for participation in our second moot court after clearing the intra moot court stage. However, at the same time, our final year placements were about to commence and I did not want to miss my shot at placements. So I had to leave this opportunity. But, I knew someday I would engage in research in this area, though not definitely knowing that I would publish a book on it someday. Broadly there are two sets of challenges for a first time writer like me. The first is to not get carried away by believing that merely because one is skilled at writing a good journal article, one should also be equally good when writing a book. The time invested, the patience utilized and the numerous proofreads that goes into one chapter for a book is a herculean task. A seasoned writer will, of course, know how to vary his or her strategy regarding publication in a journal and a publication as a book. The second challenge is that in a topic as specific as Standard Essential Patents in Telecom Industry and Competition Law, where the scope in India is ever increasing, it is very difficult to write within established regulatory rules, as the same is changing very quickly. Plus, due to lack of jurisprudence in India, I compared US, EU, UK, China and Japan, which are the other jurisdictions where such cases have had the most prominent impact during my research, and have written India’s first of a kind book on linkages between Intellectual Property and competition law in the telecom industries in major jurisdictions.

    HOW DOES ONE GET THEIR BOOK PUBLISHED?

    Being a first-time writer, I did not have contacts with established publication houses. However, I took my chances and made contact with few big publication houses, where my work was rejected because the market demand is for books catering to general subjects like Intellectual Property or Competition Law, but not an amalgamation of both. This is understandable because of the demand by students and also the fact that with a first time author the publication houses will be a little apprehensive. It’s important therefore that one uses professional networking sites such as Linkedin to use it to find and connect with publishers who can take a chance with first time choices. In other words, an open mind has to be kept. So, I approached another publication house as I believe that one needs to start somewhere regardless of the size of the publication house. I was initially apprehensive but I must give credit to them as they did their job professionally and meticulously changed the content, the font, the footnote font, page borders, book design and covers.

     

    HOW DID YOU MANAGE THE TIME TO WRITE A BOOK?

    Frankly speaking, this book is actually my dissertation in corporate law, which secured the highest marks during my post graduation. I never started with the intention to write a book, but I knew I had to give it all. So instead of working on projects which were given to us, I started working on my dissertation, a herculean task when six jurisdictions had to be comparatively analysed. I knew I had to maintain attendance for exams and could not pull all-nighters (which personally I love). So, I skipped some of my classes, sat throughout the whole day, and engaged in back-breaking research work and compilation. But, I am glad it was worth it and the hard work paid off.

     

    WHERE DO YOU WANT TO SEE YOURSELF FIVE TO TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINE?

    Legal academia is no longer confined to just imparting quality education. Faculties are also engaged in consultancy and advisory work. So in five to ten years, I would love for myself to be an established academician in my chosen field of specialization and create value through new avenues. It could be through publishing books and papers, value generation through consultancy for the institution and most importantly creating a conducive classroom learning atmosphere where students yearn for my lectures.

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY LAW STUDENTS AND YOUNG LAWYERS?

    My advice would be to never stop exploring. There is a no bigger teacher than one’s own curiosity. One should always be on the lookout for ‘unlearning’ as it helps to widen understanding of how a system works. And lastly, students must accept that the legal job market is not what it used to be decades ago. There are tons of options and it is but obvious that they will be confused. So trust your instincts and find avenues which match your desired skill sets. The path will follow.

     

  • Pavan Duggal, Advocate, Supreme Court, shares his views on protecting privacy, cyber security issues and enforcement of cyber laws in India

    Pavan Duggal, Advocate, Supreme Court, shares his views on protecting privacy, cyber security issues and enforcement of cyber laws in India

    Pavan Duggal is an Advocate specialising in the field of cyberlaw and e-commerce. He has been recognised as one of best cyber lawyers around the world. He has made a tremendous impact with an international reputation as an expert and authority on Cyberlaw, Cyber Security Law and e-Commerce law.

    His empanelment as a consultant to UNCTAD and UNESCAP on Cyberlaw and Cyber crime respectively, membership of the AFACT Legal Working Group of the UN / CEFAT, consulting as an expert with the Council of Europe on Cyber crime, inclusion in the Board of Experts of European Commission’s Dr. E-Commerce and his work as an expert authority on a Cyberlaw primer for e-ASEAN Task Force and as a reviewer for Asian Development Bank speaks volumes of his worldwide acceptance as an authority. He is the President of Cyberlaw Asia, Asia’s pioneering organisation committed to the passing of dynamic Cyber laws in the Asian continent. He is also a member of the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center Panel of Neutrals.

    He has been associated with the Ministry of Communication and Information Technology, Government of India on Cyberlaw and Electronic Governance legal issues. He is a member of Advisory Committee on E-Governance in Karnataka constituted by the Government of Karnataka. Pavan is a member of Information Forensic Working Group on e-Information Systems, Security and Audit Association.

    He heads his niche law firm Pavan Duggal Associates, which has practice areas, amongst others, in Cyberlaw, Business Process Outsourcing Law, Intellectual Property Rights and Information Technology Law, Information Security Law, Defence, Biotech and Corporate Law.

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PRE-COLLEGE LIFE?

    I would like to introduce myself as a student of Cyberlaw.  A person who is constantly trying to discover new nuances pertaining to legal, policy and regulatory aspects pertaining to the Internet, Cyberspace and the newly emerging technologies.  A scholar who has dedicated more than 23 years of his life in this space and who still believes that he is at the outside periphery of knowledge.  A person who believes that the Internet is a game-changing paradigm, which is potentially the most significant, that human civilization has seen after the advent of fire.  I have been working on various issues on the intersection of law and technology.  Hence, my path has not been like traditional lawyers.  I have chosen to create my own path on the road to discovery.  In fact, it is strange that you could never even think while in school what you will ultimately land up doing in life.  I have been the student of Delhi Public School, Mathura Road, New Delhi and did my entire schooling from that school, excelled in academics and topped the school in Humanities and was also in the merit list.  As a student, I was extremely active in extra-curricular activities including debating, music, theatre, dance, essay writing, quizzes and various other kinds of extra-curricular activities.  I won a record number of prizes in school.

     

    YOU ARE FAMOUS AS A CYBER LAW EXPERT. WHAT KIND OF WORK DO YOU CURRENTLY DO?

    It is true that today I am known as a Cyberlaw expert.  This is primarily so because of the kind of super specialization that I have acquired the area of Cyberlaw. I have worked for more than the last 2 decades in this space. I have been extensively working on the intersection of law and technology. Currently, I do various kinds of works. I advise clients on nuances pertaining to cyberspace transactions, compliances under the applicable provisions of the Indian Cyberlaw, advise on cyber/electronic transactions and the legal nuances, help companies to protect and preserve their domain names and their web presence online, do litigation for variety of clients so as to protect their legal interests, whether in the form of plaintiffs or defendants.  I write extensively and have written 102 books on various aspects of Cyberlaw and connected nuances.  I teach extensively in select law colleges and international and national institutions including the National Police Academy, National Judicial Academy, Delhi Judicial Academy and various state judicial academies.  I extensively interact with various international stakeholders on the nuances of cyberspace.

    I had been contributing a column entitled “Brief Facts” for 8 years in the Economic Times. I have extensively featured in various international and national media.  My different columns published in various media, news portals and columns include The Economic Times, The Hindustan Times, The Business Standard, The Pioneer, The Deccan Chronicle, and The Mint etc.  I have launched a Course on Cyber Security Law last year, which today has more than 9750 students from 157 countries.  I speak at various conferences, seminars and workshops.

    I am the Conference Director of the International Conference on Cyberlaw, Cybercrime &Cybersecurity which is the world’s unique Conference looking at the intersection of Cyberlaw, Cybercrime &Cybersecurity.  I am chairing the International Commission on Cyber Security Law which is looking at collating legal principles governing cybersecurity at a global level.  I am also heading the Artificial Intelligence Law Hub which is looking at the examination of cutting-edge nuances concerning Artificial Intelligence.  I am also heading the Blockchain Law Epicentre which is also looking at legalities concerning Blockchain. I am extensively working with international organizations including UNESCO, ITU, ICANN, Council of Europe, INTERPOL and many other organizations so as to contribute to the evolving jurisprudence on Cyberlaw, Cybercrime &Cybersecurity. In my humble manner, I have been trying to contribute my small inputs to pushing the envelope of evolving jurisprudence on Cyberlaw, Cybercrime and Cybersecurity.  In a nut-shell, I try to do the variety of activities all surrounding the Internet, cyberspace and legal, policy and regulatory issues connected therewith.   I advise the Government of India and its various Ministries especially the Ministry of Electronics & Information Technology, Government of India on various issues concerning Cyberlaw and am part of various governmental bodies.  I have also been part of G Gopalakrishna Working Group on Electronic Banking formed by the Reserve Bank of India which determined and set the cybersecurity standards for Banks in India.

     

    WHAT SORT OF CASES DO YOU USUALLY HANDLE?

      I handle a variety of cases on diverse issues. These cases invariably involve data thefts in the corporate sector, unauthorized transmission of data, violation of trade secrets, breach of privacy of individuals, disputes concerning electronic contracts, cybercrime prosecution and defence. I also do cases pertaining to liability arising from contravention under the law.  I advise on domain name disputes and try to get domain names back from the squatters.  I do a lot of cases for protection of reputation.  I do cases concerning cyber defamation, cyber nuisance, cyber harassment, cyberstalking and trolling and help affected persons and provide advisories.  I also do various cases pertaining to breaches of cybersecurity and the potential ramifications emerging therefrom.  I also advice intermediaries, in terms of their respective compliances on how they can limit their liability for third-party data.  I do cases pertaining to abuse of Over The Top Applications and also the social platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc.   I also do cases for protecting and preserving digital rights of netizens.  I also file Public Interest Litigations (PIL) on legal aspects concerning cyberspace which impact the public interest at a broader level.

     

    HOW IS CYBER LAW AND ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM IN INDIA? IS IT ADDING TO THE CHALLENGES OF TIME?

    The Cyberlaw system in India has been put in place by virtue of the Information Technology Act, 2000.  India enacted this law, keeping in mind the UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Commerce.  The said legislation is indeed historic as it not only legalized the electronic format but also paved the way for the growth of electronic commerce and electronic governance in the country.  It also sought to cover various cybercrimes.  This law also elaborated the liabilities of intermediaries. However, in the year 2000, this law did not specifically cover the mobiles, despite the fact that mobiles had already emerged as a major factor in mainstream society.  The Information Technology Act, 2000 was amended by the Information Technology (Amendment) Act, 2008, after 26/11 Mumbai attacks.  The said amendments sought to enhance the scope and applicability of the Indian Cyberlaw to be applicable to all kinds of mobiles and communication devices. Various new cybercrimes were added and also the concept of intermediaries and their liability was more specifically well defined. Cybersecurity as a concept was distinctly added in the said law and various provisions concerning the same were also adequately put in the same.  It has been for the last more than 10 years since the amendments have taken place. However, when one looks at the cyber legal regime in the country, one finds that it has not been effectively implemented.  First and foremost, it needs to be understood that the Information Technology (Amendment) Act, 2008 effectively watered down the deterrent effect of the previous law.  This is so because, barring few cybercrimes, almost all cybercrimes were transformed into bailable offences where the accused is entitled to bail.  I was the counsel for the complainant in India’s first cybercrime conviction in the year 2003.  We had hoped that this first conviction could be the precursor of more convictions to follow. However, with the change of law and given the sloppy enforcement of the law, cybercrime convictions have effectively dried up. Today, India is seeing a famine of cybercrime convictions.  This is also primarily so because enforcement of provisions of law has not been very effective.  The way the Police is detecting, investigating and prosecuting cyber crimes, leaves a lot of potential gaps.

    Electronic evidence is not given the right kind of legal treatment, as is mandated by the Hon’ble Supreme Court of India in its various judgments. Consequently, there is a big gap between the registration of such cybercrimes and final prosecution. Majority of electronic evidence has not been able to be put in the right manner that further complicates the entire scenario.   Further, it needs to be understood that technology is a constantly growing target and technology invariably leaves the law 10 steps behind.  The problem in the Indian Cyberlaw is that despite various shortcomings, it is not effectively amended, given the newly emerging challenges that have already come up, which have not been appropriately addressed under the law.  Social media as a paradigm has not been adequately addressed.  Further, issues like cyber stalking, cyber trolling and cyber harassment are not effectively detailed in the said law.  The advent of Over The Top Applications has brought forward new challenges, which are not adequately covered under the law.  Further, the coming of new technologies like Blockchains, Artificial Intelligence and the Internet of Things have further highlighted the inadequacy of the Indian Cyberlaw. There is a need for appropriate amendments in the same so as to make it topical and relevant to the requirements of today’s times.  While it is indeed laudable that the Indian Cyberlaw has provided the legal framework for the legal validity, sanction and growth of electronic commerce and electronic governance, the fact remains that there is lot more work that is required to be done.  India as a country needs to provide utmost focus and priority to Cyberlaw frameworks since the Indian Information Technology Act, 2000 is special legislation and it supersedes any other law prevailing for the time being in force.  Currently, I do feel that due to the advent of emerging technologies, the inadequacy of the Indian Cyberlaw has not been effectively brought forward. It is high time to make the Indian Cyberlaw more topical and relevant, by updating it and incorporating new offences so as to deal with new technological challenges.

     

    HOW DID YOU BUILD YOUR PRACTICE? THREE STEPS YOU HAVE TAKEN THAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE.

     I began as a civil and corporate lawyer.  I started practice in Tis Hazari Court, Delhi and then moved on to the High Court and Supreme Court.  I was initially interested in technology. In the early 1990s, I got certain software clients and that retriggered my interest in technology.  The advent of the Internet provided a completely new game-changing moment in my life.  After being overwhelmed by the media in the first couple of months, I quickly realised that there are a lot of legal, policy and regulatory issues that need to be appropriately addressed and I started working on the same.  At that time, there was not much work happening in India and I started working with the international players.

    Towards the end of 1990s, the Government of India was preparing the Information Equipment Bill, 1999.  I got active and started working with various stakeholders including the Parliamentarians and the Government of India so as to give inputs on the Bill.  I also started working with the Ministry of Electronics & Information Technology, Government of India on Cyberlaw issues.  All this time, I had started doing work on domain name disputes.  The coming of the Information Technology Act, 2000 provided a new area to focus on, where I focused. As time passed by, clients came back and said that they wanted us to expand the scope of services that we were providing. So, I swam with time and kept on expanding the bouquet of services that were provided to clients and slowly, the practice grew. Today, I am primarily known because of my super-specialization in Cyberlaw, Cybercrime and Cybersecurity.  My law firm PavanDuggal Associates, Advocates also does commercial and civil litigations as well.

    As regards three steps that I have taken that made the difference, I believe that Almighty has got its own ways of getting work done from us. I distinctly believe that we all are puppets on the stage of life, for whom all work has been predetermined.  Looking back, the three steps that made the difference for me would include the following:

    I was driven with my passion for technology and its intersection of law and technology.  I followed my passion and my heart and landed up where I am currently standing.

    My perseverance and hard work.  A lot of people only try to see the glossy side of legal career.  However, it takes a huge volume of untiring effort to make one’s position and contribution.  I have been extensively doing hard work which potentially could also be a contributing factor to my current position.

    Patience is also one factor that has helped me. A lot of people often run out of patience and do not have the patience to pursue their passion for their dreams, if they don’t get early success. There were numerous hiccups and massive earlier failures that I actually experienced but I felt that cyber is the next domain of the future and I need to focus. I patiently waited and kept on working silently in this space.

     

    COULD YOU TELL OUR READERS ABOUT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU APPEARED IN COURT?

     I remember the first time when I appeared in the Court. That was immediately after passing out from LL.B. My first appearance was in the Tis Hazari Court, Delhi.  I was nervous.  I was appearing before a Trial Judge and while I was reading the case, I was slightly confused as to how to address the Judge, whether the Judge should be addressed as Your Honour or My Lord.  I had done a lot of preparations for the case and ultimately, when the hearing of the case happened, it took a couple of minutes.  I did fail initially because of the slight nervousness but as the case began, I confidently stated what I had to state and the Judge also asked the other side about the proposition and thereafter proceeded to pass an order.  That particular appearance is still vivid in my mind.  It was a completely different experience from the traditionally filmy legal appearances that we are used to seeing in the Bollywood and Hollywood films.  However, I distinctly remember extensively reading the file prior to my first appearance. I also told myself that I need to be most updated with all the aspects of the file, and worked towards that direction. It was my very interesting first appearance.

     

    WHY DID YOU CHOOSE CYBER LAW AS YOUR SPECIALISATION?

     I chose Cyberlaw as my specialisation because I felt that cyberspace is the paradigm of the future.  I was very clear that the world is increasingly going more and more digital and therefore if I have to look in the future, I must be fully prepared for the same. Hence, I chose Cyberlaw as my specialisation since I felt that over a period of time, my specialisation will increasingly have to grow very significantly and will even land up having a large impact, on other specialisation as well.

     

    MANY LAWYERS ARE INTERESTED IN CYBER LAW. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO THOSE WORKING AS CYBER LAWYERS?

     My advice to lawyers who are interested in working as cyber lawyers is that there is a lot of scope in Cyberlaw in the coming times.  However, everything is not as rosy, as it appears.  There is a lot of hard work, required before one can achieve the desired destination.  There is an increasing need for cyber lawyers as more and more stakeholders are increasingly using the digital format and are using cyberspace as a central theme point for all their operations, activities and initiatives.  As time passes by, the volume of work is constantly going to increase. So if you are interested in Cyberlaw, this is the right time to get started and be involved in this area.

     

    HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO HAVE MENTORS FOR A YOUNG LAWYER IN STARTING HIS CAREER? WHO WERE YOUR MENTORS AT THE START OF YOUR CAREER?

     It is very important for a young lawyer in starting his career to have mentors.  Mentors are not just pillars of strength but also inspiration, encouragement and source of advice.  One should not believe that one knows everything in the starting of the career. On the contrary, after passing out from the law college, it is very important to unlearn what you have learnt and then relearn aspects in the profession.  Mentors help guide and supervise young lawyers and also put them in the right direction.  The brilliant aspect about mentors is that mentors can use their lifetime experience to guide youngsters to reach their best potential.  My mentor in the starting of my career was my father and he still continues to be my mentor.  My father is a practicing Advocate.  I looked upto him as my hero, as my idol and as my mentor.  Consequently, I started looking up to him for all advice and inputs to get started and what to do in important cases that I am doing. My father still plays a very significant and invaluable role in my evolution as a lawyer. He is the rock-solid pillar to whom I always go back in the event of any challenge.  He appropriately guided me in the right direction and also warned me on how to face various challenges that lie ahead in my legal practice.

     

    PRIVACY HAS BECOME VERY FRAGILE. HOW INDIA SHOULD PROTECT PRIVACY OF CITIZENS?

     Privacy is an integral part of our human existence.  No wonder, when the Hon’ble Supreme Court has declared the right to privacy as an integral part of the fundamental right to life, it is effectively ventilating the hopes and aspirations of millions of Indians.  India needs to do extensive homework to protect and preserve the privacy of its citizens.  Currently, India does not have a dedicated law on privacy.  The Indian Information Technology Act, 2000 is not a law on privacy and only has provided lip service to privacy.  There is a need for a dedicated law on privacy that would help define the roles, duties and responsibilities of various stakeholders. Personal and data privacy needs to be adequately specifically addressed.

    As a nation, we should not confuse privacy with data protection. Data protection is important but privacy is critical to human existence, human dignity and human life.  As a nation goes forward, we need to have specific courts who only look at privacy related violations so that privacy violation matters are handled with utmost care in a very gentle manner and with distinctive victim friendly approach. With now increasingly the Government being straddled with the duty to ensure that the right to privacy is effectively implemented, the Government has also a lot of work to do.   India is currently in the process of coming up with a new Personal Data Protection Bill. While that could address some aspects of privacy, but India needs to do far more. Privacy would require the adoption of distinctive new approaches for the purposes of adequately addressing it.  Also, stringent, effective and efficacious remedies need to be provided to victims whose privacy, both data privacy and personal privacy is infringed or violated.  India needs to provide for a regime of exemplary damages so as to give a right message to all stakeholders, that privacy of citizens cannot be taken for granted and is a value of human dignity that needs to be respected and handled with utmost care, caution and regard.

     

    WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF CYBER SECURITY IN INDIA?

     Today, India as a nation has not been giving its best efforts to the cause of cybersecurity. In fact, India as a nation is giving only lip service to cybersecurity.  India did come across with its National Cyber Security Policy, 2013 which was a remarkable document containing good motherly statements and the Policy of the Indian nation on cybersecurity. However, the last 5 years have shown that the National Cyber Security Policy of 2013 has only remained as a paper-tiger. In addition, we need to appreciate that India does not have dedicated legislation on cybersecurity, in comparison to a large number of other countries.  The Indian Information Technology Act, 2000 is not a cybersecurity legislation.  This is despite the fact that cybersecurity as a concept has been defined and introduced under the Indian Information Technology Act, 2000 by virtue of the Information Technology (Amendment) Act, 2008.

    At a time when countries like China, Singapore, Vietnam, Egypt etc. are racing miles ahead in terms of coming up with detailed and elaborate cyber security legislation, India as a nation has been left behind.  Further, as a nation, we are also not clear as to whose responsibility is cyber security.  A large number of people in India believe that cyber security is a governmental responsibility, without realising that it is not a correct picture. Cyber security is a collectively shared responsibility for all stakeholders. The Government has to play an important role in cyber security, but other shareholders have to increasingly also play a very significant role in this direction.  India as a nation needs to define the rights, duties and responsibilities of various stakeholders. Indian networks and systems are constantly under attack and as a nation, we have not been very effective in terms of repelling those attacks.  There is a need for a dedicated cyber army in India who can actually protect and preserve cyber security attacks, both in the actual world and also in cyberspace on a 24/7 basis.   We still don’t have a dedicated cyber security authority in the country.  Cyber security is a shared baby and is a subject of turf war amongst various ministries.  India as a nation needs to quickly realise that in case if we are not effectively working on protecting and preserving cyber security, it could potentially start adversely affecting the sovereignty, security and integrity of India in the coming times.

     

    WHAT IS YOUR OPINION IS ON ONLINE DISPUTE RESOLUTION. DO YOU THINK IT WILL BECOME REALITY ANYTIME SOON IN INDIA.

     I feel online dispute resolution is the way going forward.  We have seen the success of online dispute resolution for protection of domain names with the effective implementation of Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN).  We have also started seeing the beta use of online dispute resolution. It will become a reality very soon with the coming of a few years in India.  In fact, cyber arbitration should be an important element in online dispute resolution in the coming times.

     

    WHAT IS THAT ONE CASE THAT HAS LEFT A LASTING IMPACT ON YOU?

     The one case that has left a lasting impact on me is the case that I did for an online card processing company. The company suffered a cybersecurity breach and the said breach was extremely complicated and sophisticated. The breach led to not just theft of data but also subsequent cloning of credit cards of some high net worth individuals. The said cards were subsequently cloned and sent to different countries. In more than 2 dozen countries, the said cards were used in massive global operations all aimed to physically withdraw millions of dollars from ATMs across the world.  Our client lost millions of dollars. The client was however insured. This case demonstrated to me the enormity of cybercrimes through various highly professionally organised and ultra sophisticated cybercrime gangs.  It also showed the inadequacy of organisations and companies to deal with cybersecurity breaches and new challenges of cybercrimes. This case brought to my attention the enormous manipulations of ATMs and planning done by cyber criminal gangs and also showed me the ground reality that in the present and in the coming future, there is nothing known as complete security and that nobody is secure. This case further sensitised that everybody is capable of being hacked and therefore now the new norm has to be to accept the fact that breaches of cybersecurity will be a part of our day-to-day lives. How can we concentrate on cyber resilience and how can we be up and about after being breached by the cyber attack, has to be the new focus area.  This case has been an important case which made me understand the impermanence of today’s present scenario.  Just because everything is going fine, there is no guarantee that these things will keep on going fine tomorrow. On the contrary, change is constant and will be so, in the lives and times of stakeholders in the digital and mobile ecosystem.

     

    HOW CAN A JUNIOR WISHING TO WORK UNDER YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU? WHAT QUALITIES WILL YOU LOOK FOR HIRING A JUNIOR?

     Any junior who wishes to work under me could get in touch with my law firm PavanDuggal Associates, Advocates.   He/she could contact us at email ID info@pavanduggalassociates.com or could also reach out to me personally at my email ID pavan@pavanduggal.com and pduggal@vsnl.com.  I am looking for the hunger and passion to learn as important qualities of any junior that could work for me. A lot of juniors today are not willing to learn.  They come out under the presumption that they know everything and due to overconfidence, often land-up missing important milestones.  Hard work, perseverance, patience, dedication, discipline and good interpersonal relations are important attributes and qualities that I look forward to while hiring a junior.

     

     WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO WRITE? HOW DOES BEING AN AUTHOR OF NUMEROUS BOOKS AND ARTICLES HELP YOU IN YOUR CAREER?

     I believe that life is short.  We will all be dead and gone tomorrow. Hence, it is very important to write your thoughts and express them in print so that they can be your contribution to society.  I get inspired to write because I believe that my thoughts must be well captured and communicated to other stakeholders.  I have had a flair for writing from the very beginning.  I love to write as I feel that writing is the best way of sharing experience, knowledge, perspectives and opinions.  I write rigorously and regularly. Over the last more than 2 decades, I have authored 102 books on different aspects of Cyberlaw, Cybercrime &Cybersecurity and connected legalities.  In addition, I have written a number of articles that have appeared in various newspapers, online media platforms, websites and other publications.

    Being an author of articles and books will help you in your career. People see you with a different perspective and in a different light, once you become an author.  They start giving you more respect and regard and also your books then become ambassadors of your capacities and capabilities. Also, writing books demonstrates your authoritative command on your subject and hence contributes to your career.

     

     YOU ARE A PROLIFIC WRITER. DOES IT HELP A LAWYER TO WRITE ARTICLES AND BOOKS?

    As a prolific writer, I believe that it does help a lawyer to write articles and books.  We have to traditionally change our mindsets about the legal profession. The perception that lawyer must only go and argue matters in courts is an old perception and needs to be slightly changed with the times. Today, lawyers are expected to do multi-dimensional roles. Hence, they must not only have people friendly soft skills but also have appropriate contributions to give back to society. Writing books and articles is one such contribution that one can make in terms of giving back to society.  Your books and articles could get read by members of the public who will then become your potential clients and will start forming an opinion about you.  In the event of any challenge and issue, they would come back and seek your opinion.  So over a period of time, a lawyer which writes books and articles not only tends to enhance his/her capability but also tends to contribute to the growth of evolving jurisprudence.  Having authored 102 books and numerous articles, I believe that it definitely helps lawyers to write articles and books.

    In the end, I would just like to say that the world is a constantly changing paradigm. Everything is in a constant state of flux. Hence, the focus of any lawyer has to be to try to update his/her skill-sets. We must unlearn, relearn, unlearn, relearn all the time.  This is so because the coming times are very challenging times ahead. The advent of new technologies will bring in, not only new challenges but far more opportunities as well. It requires a vision to understand and identify some key opportunities that the coming future will bring across. The legal profession has been one of the best professions in the world. I believe that with the advent of technology and cyberspace, it will continue to grow by leaps and bounds.  Cyberlaw, as a discipline, will increasingly contribute in the evolving digital law jurisprudence at global and national levels.

     

     

     

  • Pratik Bakshi, Business Development Associate, J. Sagar Associates, on launching World Law Forum, and resolving Business and Human Rights disputes through arbitration

    Pratik Bakshi, Business Development Associate, J. Sagar Associates, on launching World Law Forum, and resolving Business and Human Rights disputes through arbitration

    Pratik Bakshi graduated from National University of Advanced Legal Studies (NUALS), Kochi in the year 2018. He is currently working as a Business Development Associate with J. Sagar Associates, Gurugram. He has founded several organisations, such as World Law Forum, the Network for International Law Students, and The Union Debates (previously, Indian Union Debate Forum). He is one of the few people working extensively on Business & Human Rights in India and is a member of the Sounding Board of the Hague Rules on Business and Human Rights International Arbitration, a committee working on establishing a system to adjudicate business and human rights disputes through arbitration.

    In the past, he has worked with Ram Jethmalani as his PR/Social Media Manager; and advises various law-focused start-ups, including The Negotiation Academy, The European Centre for Career Education etc. Through his latest venture, World Law Forum, he aims to bring a transformation in the world through law. World Law Forum has since its foundation worked on crucial and niche areas, such as Modern Slavery in Australia and Anti-SLAPP Legislation in India.

    In this interview, he talks to us about-

    • His law school experience at NUALS;
    • His internship experiences with Mr Mahesh Jethmalani, Khaitan & Co. and J. Sagar Associates;
    • His experience as the founder of Network for International Law Students and World Law Forum;
    • Prioritising works in law school;
    • His appointment experience as a Business Development Associate with J. Sagar Associates; and
    • His opinion about resolving human rights disputes through arbitration.

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? PLEASE SHARE YOUR ACADEMIC AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND.

    I like to introduce myself as a lawyer by profession and an entrepreneur by passion. I graduated earlier this year from the National University of Advanced Legal Studies (Kochi) and I am currently working at J. Sagar Associates. Since my first year at law school, I have founded six organisations, half of them were successful and the other half not-so-successful. But I guess, that’s part of being an entrepreneur.

    WHY DIDN’T YOU OPT FOR CONVENTIONAL DEGREES IN ENGINEERING OR MEDICINE?

    To begin with, I wanted to be an automobile engineer and had made up my mind to develop the next cutting-edge car design and technology. I remember being super-excited when we were about to start our Physics lesson on ‘Torque’ in school. Almost needless to say, I didn’t understand anything, and after a few weeks, I made a conscious decision that it was not my thing. Well then, like many others, I chose law because I didn’t fit in elsewhere. I also heard that law graduates made good money compared to other graduates, so that helped me make my mind a bit as well. Looking back, I would say that it was one of the best decisions that I have ever made in my life.

     

    TELL US A BIT ABOUT YOUR TIME STUDYING LAW AS AN UNDERGRADUATE AT NUALS, COCHIN. ARE THERE ANY MEMORABLE MOMENTS OF LAW SCHOOL, WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE?

    When I started law school, there was absolutely nothing to do there. We had classes for six hours till 04:30 in the evening; and the library would shut at about 06:30 if I remember correctly. There was barely any time and resource for the students to take on any extra-curricular or extramural activities. Things changed and became better after a year or so with some positive reforms coming in, but personally, I had already lost hope/interest in whatever goes on in law school. By then I had already started the Network for International Law Students (NILS), which kept me busy. It was a new organisation then, and I was excited to work with students and lawyers from across the world. Then during my third year, I contested for being the Debate Secretary of the law school and lost (by a huge margin, I remember). I was the most experienced in organising debates, or would I believe, but then you know how things work in an election. So, I started another organisation called the Indian Union Debate Forum along with a classmate of mine, who was equally frustrated with the whole high-drama politics that was going on. The idea was to introduce the Oxford/Cambridge Union-styled debates in India. We had our first debate three to four months later and were thrilled by the response that we got. We got Ram Jethmalani, Subramanian Swamy, Manish Tewari, Madhu Kishwar, KTS Tulsi, Pinky Anand among others as speakers and debate against each other – a never seen before the scene in India. So, it was probably the most engaging and exciting period of my law school life.

    INTERNSHIPS PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH THEIR FIRST EXPOSURE TO THE PRACTICAL ASPECTS OF THE LEGAL PROFESSION. COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE INTERNSHIPS YOU TOOK UP, AND WHAT YOU LEARNT FROM THOSE EXPERIENCES?

    Internships are helpful because they help you realise what you are made for. For me, it made me realise that I am certainly not made for transactional law. Of all the internships that I have done, I have enjoyed three of them thoroughly – Mahesh Jethmalani, Khaitan & Co, and J. Sagar Associates. When I was an intern under Mahesh Jethmalani, there wasn’t a lot of work for the interns to be honest, but the aura of watching Jethmalani Jr. in the court and see him argue made up for it. Plus, you got to be involved in all the cases that you see every day in the news, so it was all very exciting. Next up, Khaitan & Co, I was with a great bunch of people and enjoyed all the work that was given to me – primarily disputes matters. And lastly, JSA because it introduced me to the area of business development for law firms in which I am currently involved now.

     

    YOU ARE THE FOUNDER OF THE NETWORK FOR INTERNATIONAL LAW STUDENTS (NILS), A STUDENT-RUN BODY WHICH HAS ITS PRESENCE IN 26 COUNTRIES. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US A BIT ABOUT THIS ORGANISATION AND WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO ESTABLISH THIS ORGANISATION?

    As said earlier, when I joined law school I always felt that one has to take a lot of his/her own initiative to keep herself engaged. I believe it’s the same with most law schools in India and other developing countries. I started NILS with a focus to provide something to students especially from developing countries to farther the exposure and engaging themselves in activities which otherwise they wouldn’t in their law schools. We did some interesting events and exchange programmes which were highly praised and received wide attention. I was fortunate to come across a bunch of enthusiastic students who believed in my idea and took it to the next level; and as you said correctly, currently we have over 5000 members in 26 countries across all continents, except Antarctica of course.

     

    LATELY, YOU CO-FOUND WORLD LAW FORUM. WHAT STIRRED YOU TO LAUNCH THIS ORGANISATION AND CAN YOU TELL US A BIT ABOUT ITS GOALS?

    I was set to retire from NILS in 2018. Many people advised me not to retire as it was my baby, but then I wanted NILS to grow as a democratic organisation, run by and for law students. Therefore, it did not make sense for me to stay there forever, after ceasing to be a law student. I wanted to take my experience to the next level and founded World Law Forum, along with a colleague of mine who I worked briefly in NILS. The idea behind World Law Forum is to engage people in discussions on areas of law which are rarely discussed upon, either because people are not aware of them or because they think they are not important enough. Therefore, the core-topics that we work on are cutting-edge and will be the most relevant topics in the next decade. We organised the first-ever conference on Modern Slavery in Sydney earlier this year, after the Modern Slavery Act coming into force in the New South Wales. In India, we organised India’s first-ever conference on Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation (SLAPP), with over 620 participants. Therefore, the areas of our work are generally the “first-ever” or “among the firsts”, and we try to promote such areas of law, which would be relevant in the future. So far we have got a really good response, with eminent people including Head of States, Noble Laureates, Judges and the most eminent lawyers, journalists and academics having attended our event.

    Another thing that led to the foundation of World Law Forum is that we felt that the legal profession is a bit isolated and most events organised in the legal sector involve mostly members of the profession and barely from other professions or walks of life. However, the law is something which affects everyone and therefore ours is a platform for people from all walks of life to come together and discuss the law.

     

    WAS IT DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO RUN THESE ORGANISATIONS CONCURRENTLY WITH YOUR LAW SCHOOL WORK? HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO HANDLE BOTH THE WORK SWIFTLY? DID YOU EVER PRIORITISE THESE WORKS OVER YOUR ASSIGNMENTS AT LAW SCHOOL?

    It was not difficult at all. Rather, it was the most fun part of my law school. You have to prioritise your work and that’s what I did. There were some subjects in our curriculum that I was not interested in, so they were low on my priority list. While, there were some subjects and professors I really liked, and I focussed on them. And most students in India cover most of the curriculum a couple of nights before the exam, I was part of the same gang. So, it was all good. At least it helped me learn the skill of multitasking which is very essential.

     

    DO YOU FEEL THAT HUMAN RIGHT DISPUTES ACROSS THE GLOBE CAN BE RESOLVED THROUGH ARBITRATION INSTEAD OF COURTS? IS ARBITRATION THE PROPER ADJUDICATORY MECHANISM TO RESOLVE THESE DISPUTES?

    I am a member of the Sounding Board of The Hague Rules on Business and Human Rights Arbitration. The Working Group is working on developing this system where Business and Human Rights disputes can be solved via International Arbitration. The Drafting Committee is chaired by Bruno Simma, a former Judge of the International Court of Justice.

    So, most of the Business and Human Rights cases arises from countries or regions where the courts and other mechanisms have failed to deliver justice, which can be because of lack of courts or corrupt courts etc. Even where competent courts are available, Arbitration offers an attractive alternative with speedier procedure and awards that are potentially enforceable throughout the world under the New York Convention.

    We are often asked why businesses would who are accused of human rights abuses chose to submit the disputes to arbitration. We must understand that today, the consumers have started looking into the business ethics of companies before buying products and have in the recent past seen boycotting of products of companies accused of human rights abuses. Therefore, when a corporation’s reputation is questioned, the management might prefer speedy resolution of the dispute, rather than a lengthy litigation in court. In the case of arbitration, the parties may also choose judges with expertise in Business and Human Rights, rather than submitting the matter to the court where the judge is chosen by “the luck of the draw”. An expeditious and fair hearing would limit the reputation damage and can also help the victims in accessing justice faster and more conveniently.

     

    YOU HAVE WORKED AS PUBLIC RELATIONSHIP MANAGER WITH THE OFFICE OF RAM JETHMALANI AND HAVE BEEN ADVISING THE NEGOTIATION ACADEMY ON ITS BUSINESS EXPANSION. WHEN DID YOU DEVELOP YOUR INTERESTS TOWARDS THESE SORT OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT WORKS?

    I have known Mr Jethmalani for a while now, as he was the first Patron of NILS. When he resigned from his own newspaper, The Sunday Guardian after an editorial dispute, I suggested that he should consider having his own blog, considering he already has a mass following. He agreed to the idea and I started running his blog/website, and slowly was assigned the task to handle his media accounts. As far as the Negotiation Academy is concerned, I had invited Claudia Winkler to India for a series of workshops on negotiation targeted at law students. Until then, she had mostly trained lawyers; but after seeing the potential in the student market, we decided that an academy on negotiation with a focus on training students would be great. And so, I’ve been involved with the Negotiation Academy from the scratch and advise on the business strategy.

    For most of the last five years of my life, I’ve been doing business strategy and development for the different organisations I have been involved with – so my interest in it evolved over the years.

     

    HOW DID YOUR RECRUITMENT TAKE PLACE AT J. SAGAR ASSOCIATES? WHAT DOES A TYPICAL WORKING DAY LOOK LIKE FOR YOU?

    I interned with J. Sagar Associates during the final year of my law school and it seemed to be a great place to work for. As I was deciding on what career path should I choose after law school, JSA seemed to be a great stepping stone as I had always admired the principles on which the firm has been founded – of being democratic and providing equal opportunity to everyone; which is a rare sight in the legal industry in India. And so, I showed my interest to have a permanent position in the firm and after sending my CV etc, and I was selected to work for the firm.

    I am responsible for the submissions that the firm makes to different journals, improving market-visibility, working on proposals and pitches, analysing the business of peer law firms, identifying conferences and events which the firm can participate in, and forming other marketing and branding strategies.

     

    DO YOU THINK YOU LAW DEGREE PROVIDES YOU WITH AN EDGE IN PURSUING YOUR WORK AT J. SAGAR ASSOCIATES?

    The work at the firm is not directly related to law, but then having studied law always provides you with an edge, since it takes you considerably lesser effort in understanding how a law firm works, what visibility is essential for a law firm and what do the clients look for.

     

    PLEASE SHARE SOME ADVICE TO YOUNG LAW STUDENTS WHO WISH TO HAVE A CAREER IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP?

    I have always followed the principle of ‘Zero to One’ by Peter Theil, which basically means that to be successful in entrepreneurship, you must be the first in the market. If you are just copying someone else or trying to do what already exists in the market, you are only one in the ‘n’ number of competitors. While if you’re coming with an innovative product or service, you are the only one in the market, you get the first-movers advantage and almost enjoy a monopoly till someone else comes up. Therefore, to be successful in long-term, you must be innovative and work on something which is missing in the market; or provide an out-of-the-world perspective/angle to an existing product or service. This applies to all sectors. Even for law firms, one must show how one’s firm is different from its peer law firms. So, you need to find your USP and start working on it at the earliest. Don’t overthink – just go with the flow. You may want to make your Plan A and Plan B, but in entrepreneurship, mere Plan B is not enough, and you might need to plan yourself until Plan Z or even further. But as you start working on it, you learn to improvise and move on. Patience is supremely important. Don’t worry about funding because if you have a solid plan/idea, money would come in from one side or the other. And the best time to start working on it is while you are studying because there’s not much at stake, you have more time and can take risks.

     

    WHERE DO YOU SEE YOURSELF TEN YEARS FROM NOW?

    It’s a tough question. I don’t generally think that far away. But I would say I see myself as an entrepreneur who has brought at least something valuable to the world. Ticked off my bucket list. Maybe, politics? But I know that I would be a really bad fit in there.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY LAW STUDENTS AND YOUNG LAWYERS?

    Work towards what defines you. Just because you went to law school does not mean you have to be a lawyer. There are so many more opportunities out there if you can convince yourself that it is worth that tiny risk. Parents are always harder to convince, but then they will be convinced in a few months if they see you making a living and happy with what you are doing.

     

  • Bivas Chatterjee, Special Public Prosecutor, Govt of WB, on challenges in cyber law and skills to become a good cyber lawyer

    Bivas Chatterjee, Special Public Prosecutor, Govt of WB, on challenges in cyber law and skills to become a good cyber lawyer

    Bivas Chatterjee qualified in Law from University of Calcutta in the year 1997, thereafter he pursued his Masters in Law from the Kakatia University.  He is currently Special Public Prosecutor in Cyber Laws and Electronic evidence related cases, engaged by Government of West Bengal. He has over sixteen years of professional experience and has experience of working in cyber law. He deals with major Information Technology, telecom and infrastructure companies. He is also the author of Electronic  Evidence, Cyber Criminal Manual, Cyber Security and The Law, Cyber Contract(Legal Analysis), Dense Cloud( Legal Analysis of Cloud), Information Technology Manual, Your Ultimate Protection Guide, Cyber Adjudication. CID, West Bengal got its first conviction in the case where he was the special public prosecutor. He shares the challenges and experiences being a cyber lawyer in India.

    In this interview, he talks to us about:

    • Challenges faced in cyber law
    • The importance of cyber awareness in the digital world.
    • The skills to develop to become a good cyber lawyer
    • Combining technology with cyber law

     

    PLEASE EXPLAIN TO OUR READERS: WHAT IS CYBER LAW? DOES THIS INCLUDE TECHNOLOGY LAW?

    Summarily law, which governs the cyber/virtual world, is cyber law in common parlance. As cyber world has taken an unprecedented proportion, it has now various sub-structures. For example, people say that today it is a data world and to govern the data world, especially in this big data world, we have in USA, ECPA or other legislations to govern various data-breaches.

    In my opinion it is purely a technology law or it can be coined as techno-legal subject. We know technology runs much faster than appropriate legislation to come and that is why there is a clear constrain between law and technology and hence the present subject requires a thorough techno-legal-experimental attitude and flair to solve various legal issues or problems.

     

    WHAT KIND OF WORK DO CYBER LAWYERS DO?

    The areas of works are limitless and also unexplored till date. A cyber lawyer can fight the cyber crime related cases (be in defence side or as prosecutor, in prosecution side). Actually specking every modern day lawyer should have a fare bit of understanding on cyber related matters. Even in civil suit, namely matrimonial suits, etc., the litigants are coming with Facebook pages or other various types of electronic evidences. The application of electronic documents in every spheres of legal world is now inevitable.

     

    ARE THERE DIFFERENT KINDS OF CYBER LAWYERS WHO DO DIFFERENT KIND OF WORK LIKE THERE ARE DEAL LAWYERS WHO SPECIALISE IN DIFFERENT KIND OF DEALS?

    Cyber lawyers can practise in various civil as well as in criminal cases. Cyber lawyers can also give advice to the lawyers in various fields and can also share their knowledge with various LEA, academies etc. The prospect is growing everyday.

     

    IS A CAREER IN CYBER LAW VIABLE? WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FOR YOUNG LAWYERS IN CYBER LAW?

    I have already discussed that present day lawyers can not proceed with their jobs without a fair bit of knowledge in this techno-legal field. The next generation legal fields require huge number of cyber-lawyers who will assist the judicial system in various ways in Courts apart from various in house legal jobs.

     

    HOW DID YOU MAKE A CAREER IN CYBER LAW?

    Being a first generation practitioner, when I started my career, I started with telecom industries. In the year 2002 I was engaged as a lawyer in a very famous telecom company in West Bengal and lateran one by one other telecom companies engaged me as their lawyer. In the year 2008 I have dealt with one of the first case of cyber corporate espionage between two very famous telecom company and later in the year 2010, I single-handedly dealt with one of the famous defacement case of a world renowned telecom company, spreading entire India, on behalf of the company. It was one of the first and biggest success in cyber crime related cases in the eastern India. Then onwards, I simply fall in love with this subject and it has become rather passion than to only profession. That time I could foresee the potential of this subject and since 2012, I have been engaged with all the various prestigious academies in India, I used to speak in those classes or seminars, that the future lies in the digital/electronic cases. I love to see that what I have thought and predicted years before, has actually proved to be truth. Though I was from the science background but not from information technology background, I have to upgrade and update myself to the present day changes in this filed. Actually technology moves mush faster than law or legislative changes or amendments. Even today, everyday I have to learn new changes taking place in this world.

     

    WHAT WERE THE FIVE BIGGEST CHALLENGES YOU FACED ALONG THE WAY? HOW DID YOU OVERCOME THEM?

    From day one I have faced various challenges in this field and I have to make over them in various ways. The following will make things clear:

    • In the yearly days, dealing with only cyber laws would not suffice for my living and I had to do other conventional cases along with the same to sustain my family. It was very tough and struggling period.
    • The law-enforcement machineries in the beginning was not ready, which they are now, to welcome the changes in the legal and other related fields. In various cases, there was lacuna in investigation for want of sufficient knowledge to collect, preserve and present digital/electronic evidences. For the last five years or so, I have trained more than thousands law enforcement officers in India, written books on how to solve and investigate various types of cases so that the evidence can be presented before the Learned Court.
    • The application of E-evidence in the existing conventional fields, like paper-oriented court system, was and still is a challenge. To make things uncomplicated, I have started to file written argument in details highlighting the recent development in these fields. I have been taking various classes covering the entire area/domain for learned judicial officers and public prosecutors.
    • To make things easier I have also written various books covering various areas of this techno-legal field. I have my blog/page under Facebook under title, “Cyber Crime Awareness Campaign”, through which time to time I post and share various articles, so that people specially the legal friends get help.
    • Finally, as I am the only Special Public Prosecutor in cyber-crime and electronic evidence related cases in Bengal today, I have very hectic schedule in everyday life and I have to continue my study in various related fields, which I have to do in my way to various Ld Courts sitting in vehicles through mobile or laptop. Everyday I have to work 16 to 18 hours to keep up with my hectic schedule.

     

    WHAT COURSES, BOOKS WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR A LAW STUDENT LOOKING TO SPECIALISE IN CYBER LAW?

    There are lot of books but students have to go through the contents and look into books which contain the practical-approach-oriented materials before purchasing. The best way to learn is to look into the various resources available in the internet but they should verify them and if possible cross-check with other resources. The student should have interest in technology, specially software development. I love to code everyday in my favourite languages like python, javascript etc.

     

    IS IT IMPORTANT TO GET A DEGREE OR DIPLOMA IN CYBER LAW?

    In my opinion there is no need to get a degree or diploma, rather a law degree is enough. The online certifications on various new fields are more useful than any diploma. The fundamental concept matters most.

     

    HOW DO YOU KEEP YOURSELF UPDATED GIVEN THAT CYBER AND TECHNOLOGY LAW IS AN ALWAYS EVOLVING FIELD?

    It is an ever-changing world. The platform or technology in buzz today may be obsolete tomorrow. I am sure the knowledge, which I acquire today after a lot of arduous efforts, is of no use tomorrow. Technology moves much faster than legal amendments. Everyday I dedicate at least three to four hours to study technology and sometimes I felt frustrated that my study-hours cover more technology study than law. I think law is more interpretation than only the statues and hence for those areas I need to allocate times to study. I have to allocate more time on real life problem-solving issues, like how the security breaches occur, the technique of hacking, the data-breaches etc.

     

    WHAT BLOGS, JOURNALS OR WEBSITES DO YOU FOLLOW?

    Various online website / blog of USA, Canada and European Union etc. dealing with this techno-legal world.

    I have mentioned details of the url/links in my books, students can follow those links.

    Study through you tube or Google article related to this field.

     

    IF I AM INTERESTED IN CYBER LAW, WHOM SHOULD I FOLLOW ON TWITTER AND LINKEDIN IN YOUR OPINION?

    You go through works of various persons and can follow one you think credible. You can follow me at:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/bivaschatterjee/

    bivas.chatterjee@gmail.com

    https://twitter.com/cybercrimemanua

    https://www.facebook.com/bivas.chatterjee.5

    https://www.facebook.com/awarenesstocyber/

     

    WHAT ARE THE TOP FIVE SKILLS TO DEVELOP IF I WANT TO BE A GOOD CYBER LAWYER?

    The following top 5 skills are desirable from a cyber lawyer:

    • Tenacity and eagerness to learn new things everyday, specially new development in this field.
    • A little bit thorough knowledge of computer system specially hardware details of computer, mobile, IOT devices etc.
    • A little bit thorough knowledge of operating software, other computer software especially in depth knowledge of at least the grammar of a single computer language i.e knowledge of coding.
    • A little bit thorough knowledge of networking system specially web-development, network protocols, various frameworks and at least one server-side and one client-side language, namely php, javascript, nodejs etc.
    • A little bit thorough knowledge of cyber and electronic evidence related laws in India and beyond India, various case studies, case laws related to that.

     

    WHO ACCORDING TO YOU ARE THE BIGGEST INFLUENCERS IN CYBER LAW IN 2018?

    There are various stake-holders who have the biggest influences in cyber laws and some of them are as follows:

    •  Law enforcement agencies that can ethically hack and solve the cyber crime related cases.
    • Intermediaries i.e. various online service providers as defined in section 2(w) of Information Technology Act,2000, as amended.
    • Technical experts who have thorough knowledge on the ins and out of a system.
    • Banking sector companies, online wallets companies etc. who provide online money transactions platforms.
    • NGOs working in this field(though the number is meagre), public prosecutors, lawyers and judges.

    UNDERSTANDING CYBER LAW – DOES IT ALSO REQUIRE A DETAILED UNDERSTANDING OF TECHNOLOGY?

    The obvious answer is yes. If practising lawyers does not know the practical details of ins and outs of the technology, how can he find the actual problem and provide solution which is admissible and acceptable by Ld. Courts and society at larger.

     

    SHOULD ENGINEERS AND CYBER SECURITY EXPERTS LEARN CYBER LAW? HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY HELP THEM?

    If a fire-tender does not know how to deal with fire, how can he make himself safe from being burnt and more so how can he make other safe. For example, person dealing with private, secure, sensitive data or electronic systems may at any point of time implicate himself or herself in unnecessary legal binding / litigation. (Say for example after the GDPR, in European Union, huge compliances are required, otherwise stringent actions may follow). In every sphere, the knowledge of cyber laws around the world is a prerequisite for engineers and cyber expert and the knowledge will provide a safety-valve to them.

     

    WHAT IS THE EARNING POTENTIAL OF A SUCCESSFUL CYBER LAWYER?

    Earning potential as a profession cyber lawyer is good in my opinion. The number of Cyber lawyers are numbered and crimes and contraventions are on increase in virtual world.

     

    IS IT BETTER TO PRACTICE INDEPENDENTLY OR TO WORK WITH A LAW FIRM OR COMPANY?

    It depends on person to person. But for the newly-started professionals, it is better to have one guide, though being the pioneer in this field, I never felt the urge to have someone. If someone has the highest level of passion, zeal, dedication, honesty and integrity, he or she will surely succeed.

     

    HOW DOES ONE GET STARTED IN CYBER LAW PRACTICE?

    In my opinion to start in legal professional, one should not be very choosy, and in the early stages he or she should do or put his head into various issues and as the cyber-law related issues are everywhere, one who wants to pursue the career in cyber law can start only specialisation work after at least 5 years of his or her practice years.

     

    DO YOU THINK INDIAN CYBER LAW REGIME NEEDS AN UPGRADE? WHAT ARE THE AREAS THAT NEED ATTENTION OF LAWMAKERS?

    After the amendment has been made by way of Information Technology Amendment Act, 2008, some of the famous judgements been pronounced, and lot of technological changes took place, especially in arena of Data-science, cloud-computing, Artificial Intelligence and its predictive algorithm, Blockchain etc., Indian Cyber laws should require upgradation. The following areas need attention:

    • Getting evidences from the intermediaries, especially from WhatsApp and other Instant messenger services.
    • Appointment of Examiners of Electronic evidence.
    • Laws relating to forensics evidences, especially incorporating chain of evidence in Indian law.
    • Details of laws clarifying the process of collection, preservation and presentation of electronic evidence.
    • Clarifying the status of the cyber security personnel and IT- security audit or ethical hacking.
    • Strong data-protecting laws (We already got the Personal Data Privacy Law Bill, 2018)
    • Changes in procedural laws in cyber crime investigation,
    • Laws dealing in details on Child pornography and Online-Trafficking.
    • Laws relating internet of things (now Internet of Everything)
    • Laws related to CCTV footage, etc

     

    WHAT ARE THE MOST PROMISING AREAS OF WORK WITHIN CYBER LAW IN THE NEXT DECADE?

    The most promising areas are:

    • Artificial Intelligence, Machine Learning and Deep Learning.
    • Cloud-computing
    • internet of things (now Internet of Everything)
    • Data privacy and security, specially big data, data-analytics and predictive and destructive logarithm.
    • Blockchain and crypto-currencies.
    • Dealing with digital/electronic evidence in non conventional and conventional fields.

     

    DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR LAWYERS TO SUPER SPECIALISE WITHIN THE DOMAIN OF CYBER LAW?

    If any lawyer wants to specialise in cyber law arena, specialising within the domain is obviously required, specially regular and intensive study in technology and exploring its new areas is a must. Dedicated and passionate effort is a prerequisite in this domain.

     

     

  • Parna Mukherjee, Assistant Professor, GLS Law College, on legal education system, importance of moots and internships

    Parna Mukherjee is as an Assistant Professor, having ten years of academic and one year of field experience. She has done Ph.D. in the area of Environmental Impact Assessment. As faculty both in full time and visiting capacity, she has taught in many prestigious institutions of Ahmedabad like Institute of Law at Nirma University, SLS at PDPU, HLIC & BKMIBA in AU, GLS Law College. She has taught several courses like, Environmental Studies & Law and Forest Law (Hons. Course), Legal Research Methodology, Interpretation of Statutes, electives as Business Laws, Tort & Consumer protection, Constitution, etc. She has been actively engaged both in teaching and research at the UG & PG level.  She has also presented papers in various international and national conferences and has few research publications to her credit.

    She has around six publications and has presented over ten conference papers both at national and international level. Her areas of interest include Socio-legal research in the area of Environmental Law and contemporary environmental issues such as EIA, E-waste, CCS, Bio-medical waste, etc. She also was involved in Socio-legal Research and environmental policy review and drafting of Moot Problem, etc. She received “Best Paper Presentation Award” titled  “A Study of the Impact and Efficacy of the EIA Norms in India presented paper in the 1st Annual National Seminar (NUILANS) on Law Impact Assessment organised by the ILNU, Nirma University, Ahmedabad, on 21st-22nd, January, 2011.

    In 2018 Awarded the “Best Participant” at the One Week Refresher Course for Law Teachers “March of Law: Critical Reflections in Law Teaching and Research Methodology”, organised by the National Law School India University, Bangalore in association with Bar Council of Kerala  M K Nambyar Academy of Continuing Legal Education, Kochi, held at National Law School, Bangalore and  was  awarded the “Best Participant” in June, 2018 held at National Law School, Bangalore.

    In this interview we speak to her about:

    • Her interest in academia
    • Importance of mooting, publications and internships
    • Changes essential in the current legal education system

     

     

    BEING A LAW TEACHER, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    Being a student of law myself, I am also engaged in teaching the law almost for a decade now and absorbing and learning the law every day.

     

    WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO PURSUE LAW?

    Choosing law was by accident in my case. I had my bachelor’s degree in (Hons.) Geography, from St. Xavier’s College, Ranchi. Then due to lack of opportunity to pursue Masters in the same field over there, my curiosity drifted towards law. Once I started with law, there was no looking back and no regrets. Rather, I can say that understanding of geography came as handy, it helped to cultivate my further interest in the area of Environmental law.

     

    YOU HAD AN EXCELLENT ACADEMIC RECORD IN LAW COLLEGE. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU APPROACHED ACADEMICS WHILE IN COLLEGE.

    To be honest, my journey of L.L.B at Bangalore University was not that exciting. As doing law along with part time job turned out to be a disastrous idea and I ended up scoring a second class, which has been my worst academic performance in my entire life till now. However, this turned out to be a new valuable lesson and thus when I opted for LL.M. in Gujarat University in Environment Law; I decided to give up my job. Gave my full concentration towards this academic assignment, which helped me to achieve a 1st class with two gold medals and excel satisfactorily. Thus, the lesson was very simple, straight forward and a memorable one.

     

    WHAT’S THE BEST THING ABOUT YOUR JOB?

    To able to connect with young minds constantly, it tremendously rejuvenates my own thinking and learning process. As I believe, that teaching is a continuous learning and evolving process. With every lecture, every class, every year, I evolve with new ideas and dimensions of learning law. I love the goal of teaching i.e, inculcating the right perception of law and understanding among young minds.

     

    ACCORDING TO YOU WHAT IS THE THING THAT A LAW STUDENT SHOULD NOT MISS DURING LAW COLLEGE LIFE?

    First, when law student opts for law programme for his/her future profession whether by choice or accident, they need to devote for five continuous years minimum to learn the basics of law. Then along with academic performance they must start building up other skills like participating in moot competitions, paralegal activities, clinical exercises, internships etc., so that they can be professionally ready after five years of academic journey in law. They must also be updated with recent happenings whether it is at national or international level, as it is essential to understand ‘law in action’ rather than law in texts and statute books.

    WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF MOOTING, PUBLICATION AND INTERNSHIPS IN A LAW STUDENT LIFE?

    Mooting is basically nothing but a mock clinical exercise for stimulation, in which a student is groomed for future legal practices whether for law firms or in litigation or in judiciary. However lately, personally I observed that mooting has become most dominating thing in legal education. Even, at time it takes serious toll on regularity of students and consequentially on their academic activity. Also at times the core academics get undermined due to dominance of extensive and aggressive mooting by institutions and students. Personally, I believe mooting should be considered as a part, not as the core element of legal education. And thus, balancing is important; focusing only on one component won’t help to achieve the purpose of legal education in true sense.

    Whereas publication is also an important skill for law students which helps to inculcate research and comprehension skills, analytical as well as literary skills, etc. It helps to pursue any given topic from different perspectives and angles. A student can always get credits for good publication. However, as teachers, we need to utmost careful to orient the students towards the issue of copyright as it persistent as a big challenge in academic domain presently.

    Internship, it is also another important aspect of modern legal education which tries to impart professional skills. It also exposes the students with the various realities and challenges of legal profession whether internship is done in a law firm, litigation or corporate sector. A student must select internship in order to grow and evolve in the area of their choice and interest in legal field.

    I also feel that the whole area of legal internship needs to be regulated towards protecting the student’s interest, who are at times feels a bit vulnerable as they often do not get positive responses from the professional bodies and many times do not receive any financial incentives, etc. There are also issues of maltreatment and harassment towards the student interns and hence we need some regulations in these areas of legal internship.

     

    WHAT IS YOUR SUCCESS HABIT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOUR LAW STUDENTS?

    To be very practical, being a student of law, you may have likings and disliking’s towards certain subjects. Everyone have their own weakness and strengths, so there is a need to analyse both the aspects rationally to draw a strategy, so that they can complete the academics journey successfully in law. Regularity in attending classes, reading and analysis of law and legal issues, combining with the skills of writing and expressing will help the student to achieve a more realistic and career-oriented goals in legal field.

     

    WHAT IS THE GOLDEN RULE THAT YOU FOLLOW IN YOUR LIFE?

    To be clean and honest in our actions, as far as possible. ‘Success or failure’ both are facets of human life. So, we should be open to brighter days and glooming days both and continue our journey with bit of passion and dedication. Good things will eventually come to us.

     

    WHAT WERE YOUR AREAS OF INTEREST DURING YOUR GRADUATION AND HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT DEVELOPING EXPERTISE IN THEM?

    I had a natural inclination towards environment law and that area of interest of mine became stronger, when I pursued my PGDEL from NLSIU Bengaluru. Thereafter, I decided to do LL.M. followed by doctoral studies in the same area. For me reading, discussing and teaching environmental law is a very passionate and exciting journey.

     

    WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE TO YOUNG LAWYERS LOOKING TO MAKE A CAREER IN FIELD OF TEACHING?

    I personally believe that legal institutions, law teachers and especially law students are major stakeholders of entire legal system. Hence, teaching law to law students and grooming them for legal profession is of paramount importance. So young lawyers, who want to dedicate themselves into teaching of law, it is like a silver lining. This will help our judicial and legal system to be better. I always advice brighter students whether they are into corporate or litigation filed, to devote few hours of their week in either para legal or for teaching activities. This will also create a relation between the academia and judiciary and legal profession as well as legal institutions. It will bind all the stakeholders into common thread and will also strengthen the legal education from professional and qualitative angles.

     

    WHAT CHANGES DO YOU THINK ARE THE ESSENTIAL IN CURRENT THE LEGAL EDUCATION SYSTEM OF INDIA?

    The curriculum of law and existing syllabus must be periodically revised and need to be designed in a way to make it more professionally and socially relevant. Along with this, teachers need to be trained and groomed with the various facets of effective teaching. The law teachers need to be trained in various teaching methodologies, assessment techniques and designing of various clinical legal courses, etc. Teaching and learning should be a process of continuous dialogue between various stakeholders like institution, teachers and students at the receiving end. Even the professional experts can be consulted to review the course from the practical professional parameters and requirements.

     

    WHAT DO YOU KNOW NOW THAT YOU WISHED YOU KNEW WHEN YOU WERE MY AGE?

    My legal education was of three years LL.B. programme. I wish, I could reverse the time so that I can join in five years integrated course of law again. Because, I feel this course is very well designed with good combination of theoretical, clinical aspects and combining mooting exercises etc., so this is what we missed during our time.

     

    AS A CONCLUDING MESSAGE WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO THE CURRENT LAW STUDENTS?

    We must be willing to learn every day. Also must keep your mind open in every field of human life and observe the impact and functioning of law. Thus, we can even learn from implementation impacts or failures of law. We need to try to understand very closely how the law virtually affects every facets of human life and learn more from ‘law in action’ rather law as it exists in letters in statutes.

     

     

  • Iram Majid, Advocate, Supreme Court of India, on career in arbitration and mediation and future of ADR in India

    Iram Majid, Advocate, Supreme Court of India, on career in arbitration and mediation and future of ADR in India

    Iram Majid is a lawyer, arbitrator, and mediator. She has more than 15 years of experience  in handling wide range of criminal, matrimonial, civil, commercial, banking and finance matters cases in the court as Advocate and outside the court as Mediator. She is also on the panel lawyer for Delhi Jal Board and DSIDC in Delhi High Court. She is a also qualified mediator, enlisted on the panel of Delhi High Court Mediation Centre. She is also the Regional Director of BIMS Bangladesh International Mediation society in India.

    Iram graduated from Aligarh Muslim University. She then went on to pursue her LL.M from Kurukshetra University, Kurukshetra.

    In this interview we speak to her about:

    • Being a successful arbitrator and meditator
    • Skills required to become an arbitrator and a meditator
    • Importance of extra circular activities in law student’s life
    • Significance of moots and their preparation

     

    HOW WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? DO YOU COME FROM A FAMILY OF LAWYERS?

    Every time I am to introduce myself I am thinking how to articulate and craft my self in words. Over the years I have struggled to take challenges towards achieving my goals. My strengths are my attitude that like to take challenges that I CAN do it , my way of thinking that I take both success and failure in a balanced manner.

    I am a practicing lawyer, Arbitrator and Mediator. I am on the panel of Delhi Jal Board, DSIDC, Delhi high court Legal services and mediator in Delhi High Court. I am first generation lawyer. I pursued BA, LL.B degree and thereafter LLM. My father is a service middle class bread earner at Aligarh, It is said that “Behind every successful man there is a women” but I my case there are two men behind my success “ my father “and my “husband” My strengths have driven me to meet unexpected challenges. I believe in myself and my hard work and I want perfection in everything.

     

    WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO PURSUE LAW?

    I never wanted to be a lawyer if it had not been my father who had identified my strengths. I wanted to pursue economics but my father has seen some qualities in me and asked me to pursue law. I was having the fear to lose my friend circle my childhood friends and my area of interest was economics and it was very difficult to get admission in economic but I got the same. Under the influence of my father I agreed to give the entrance for BA- LL.B. I opted for economics but my father insisted that I pursue law. The father daughter resistance began with me going on a hunger strike and my father did not ask me for food. It’s after 2 days I agreed to what my father asked for and took admission in law and their came the change. My clinched to help people for which law provided me the necessary background and degree to reach out to people who need help and make a positive impact on a daily basis using my analytical skills.

     

    HOW WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE AT LAW SCHOOL? DID YOU PURSUE ANY EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES SUCH AS MOOTS, DEBATES, SPORTS ETC.? HOW DID THIS CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR HOLISTIC DEVELOPMENT? DO YOU THINK SUCH ACTIVITIES SHOULD BE MADE COMPULSORY FOR STUDENTS?

    So the story   after getting the admission in law is that , from the very first week I found law classes interesting. It was 1998 when it seemed to me that I had just about everything one could wish for a comfortable house, a career to pursue and a good family. I think it was my lack of understanding of law that could not comprehend what my father saw. After that day of revelation, my father gave way to feelings of sympathy. I no longer saw law as a burden but as a struggle for my ambition. But it wasn’t long before another feeling began to weigh heavily on my mind—fear. I feared that my life might be wasted too, that I would feel empty if I failed to do something meaningful. That fear and sense of urgency drove me to search for a meaning in my own life, being a merit scholarship holder and a presidential awardee. I saw that a lot of students participated in moot courts, activities such as political debates and volunteering to change society. It was something that I had already interest in and a direction was all I needed, where everyone is expected to “fit in” and conform to social norms. My participation in debate competition, symposium, self-composed poetry and on the academic side it was ADR and personal laws which were admired by the students and the faculty. My passion started to take a turn towards a direction that I had longed to be a part of. After all, to me, it seemed to be doing something meaningful. Nonetheless, I spent the first two years of college studying merely to meet people’s strong expectations for me to be successful. During those two years, I managed to get good grades and took advantage of internship opportunities, but never found joy or excitement in my studies. Instead, I was often visited by the fear that I was walking the same path that my father wanted me to walk. It was only, when I came across classes titled ADR and Personal family laws, which cared for Contemporary Moral Problems and Global Justice, that I finally found direction in my search for meaning in my life. In those classes, we read and discussed fascinating topics, such as which ethical principles we might use to redistribute the wealth of the globe, or how we could stop potential genocides and ethnic cleansing. It was a surprising and strange experience to observe myself changing. When I found myself fervently arguing for one method of global distribution over the other, and voluntarily visiting a professor’s office pursuing further questions, I wondered: “Where has this passion been hiding? What have I been doing all these years?” Studying law has guided me to find my own answer to the question, “What is a meaningful life?” I have realised that I am thirsty for intellectually stimulating experiences, and that I truly enjoy exploring possibilities for making positive changes in people’s lives. I have also realised, more importantly, that there is lots of work to be done in the world—work that sometimes involves facing the dark side of reality, but that somebody has to step up and do. When I read articles in newspapers about horrific living conditions “women” going through legal battles, I read them from a different perspective now. Instead of simply expressing pity, I look at the situations critically and think about what it would take to solve those issues. The fact that I have a genuine understanding of the social conditions, which convinces me that I can contribute to solving these problems more than others. I want to be able to produce tangible influences through my work, witness how these influences cause progress in people’s lives, and find meaning in my life through experiences. Ideas alone cannot achieve this. But with the law, it is possible. I see the law as a powerful framework through which ideas can be manifested and applied in the real world to address different problems utilising the practical power of the law. It is physically tiring, repetitive work, but am happy.

     

    WHAT WERE YOUR AREAS OF INTEREST IN LAW SCHOOL? HOW DID YOU CULTIVATE AND PURSUE SUCH INTERESTS?

    So What Else were my areas of interest in a law school and how did I cultivate and pursue them. Being good student, I was good in all the subjects and secured distinction in all the subject but my field of interest were ADR and personal laws. When I was exposed to the society and learned from people that they are upset with the judicial system and have no faith in judiciary as there is saying “justice delayed justice denied “.

    Networking and informational gathering was so effective for me that I started to spend time attending the workshops and read publications.

    I saw myself as a creative and non-confrontational person, doing work I loved. This is because the legal community is finally acknowledging a fact that many lawyers have known for some time—that we do not all want to be like Perry Mason. Although there are many lawyers quite satisfied with their choice of profession and I was not at all a law school student yearning to appear in court, work for a big firm, handle large or complex cases, spend the majority of working hours in offices, or even earn top money. Instead, I shelved my course and carved it as an opportunity to explore and pursue ADR and personal family laws with alternative options, both in and outside of the law. I took to further examine quality-of-life and work-style issues. I wanted to create work for myself the one that even if I did not love but took me closer to my goal or at least the work that I felt good about.

    My love for the law got me into its theoretical and practical application often. I found contentment working in research and writing for legal book publishers, research services, or even for law firms.

    I acquired Legal training which became very beneficial in the development of useful, transferable skills that are much in demand. Both legal education and legal work provided excellent training in analytical thinking, communication, writing, and persuasiveness—skills that I am using in many endeavours.

    The previously mentioned my abilities in poetry, writing, editing, interviewing, organising information, researching, and giving attention to detail eventually moved into a full-time position as my writings started to get published for reading.

    I judged moot courts in India and Hong kong as well I enjoyed confrontation and posturing necessary when judging and learnt the science of ombudsman now also popularly known as Mediation.

    My values motivated me and I easily focused on fields that permitted the full use of my skills, integration of values important to me and satisfaction of my interests.

    I identified several trade associations and newsletters available at most public libraries. Joined associations that were in my area of interest in order to meet people working in the prospective field. Professional publications, including those produced by bar association sections, provided insights into new practice areas or new fields. Bar section meetings and conventions created excellent opportunities to meet people who work in one of your targeted fields and provided a reality check for me.

    These people were useful to me for inside information on the realities of working in that field as well as leads.

    My choices were not limited by preference, imagination, and ambition due to which I started to achieve positive results in Counselling.

     

    HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK MOOTING IS IN SHAPING ONE’S FUTURE CAREER IN LAW?

    Looking back at law school, It’s the mind-set that has a role play Instead. It’s a trial run for your future career. I Embraced it and got involved. I developed a great arsenal of skills that helped me at entering the future career.

    The best piece of suggestion I can give any law student is to really get involved in law school by joining organisations like moot courts and journals, doing pro-bono work, or participating in a clinic (or all of the above), which become important skills that lawyers use every day.

    Moot courts get you involved, the more important is managing your time. Imagine the time management skills you can develop if you are carrying a full course load and conducting a brief for Moot Court, and writing a note for your journal. But image how good at time management you will be by the time you graduate from law school. Then, when you start your career, and one partner is asking for a memo, another is asking you to review thousands of documents, and a third is asking you to write sections of a brief all at the same time, you will already know how to manage your time and get your work done.

    The work through Moot Court, an externship, or a clinic is not like taking an extra class throughout the semester. You will not be sitting in class learning a legal theory on what lawyers do on a day-to-day basis. You will be developing first-hand legal skills like research and writing or getting up on your feet and arguing – real-life lawyer skills. And then, when you are given your first research assignment, at your first job out of law school, you will be really prepared to dive right into the assignment because you already have those skills down pat.

    And then do not forget about all the people you will come in contact with by getting involved – all the other law students on the journal, your clinic manager, your externship supervisor, etc. All of those people become part of your network. Networking is about building contacts across the legal industry – a very valuable skill that you can begin developing right now with moot courts. Say “yes” to moot assignments you might not want to do. Once you start working on moot courts and you say “yes,” and continue to say “yes,” you will open yourself up to bigger and better opportunities. And learning to say “yes” begins in law school.

    I know that all of this is something you have probably heard a million times since law school orientation, but take it from me – these skills are so valuable to have. I truly believe that a lot of my success in my career comes from the skills I learned while I was in law school. For example, in my externship, I learned great research and writing skills because part of my position involved constantly drafting motions. In Moot Court, I learned how to think on my feet, and in my pro-bono work, I learned how to address a judge. All of these skills have made me into the lawyer I am today and have helped shape my career.

     

    HOW DID YOU LAND YOUR FIRST JOB? WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK THERE? CAN YOU RECALL THE FIRST TIME YOU ARGUED A SIGNIFICANT MATTER? CAN YOU RECALL ANY MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES AS A FRESH YOUNG LAWYER IN THE LITIGATION PRACTICE?

    I came from Aligarh after completing my law BA.LL.B. On the recommendation of one of my senior of law faculty, I joined the law Chambers Ms Zubeda Begum, Delhi High court. The start of my career was in the hands of a learned and dynamic counsel. I learnt a lot from her not only in legal knowledge but other social aspects as well. She was additional standing counsel for Delhi Government at that time, so being in her office I got a chance to handle variety of matters and exposed to new world. I worked very hard and started arguing matters in court. I still remember when I went in court for a Passover in very high-stake civil appeal matter before Justice Dalvir Bhandari and Justice DK Jain, I was scared to appear and asking for a Passover, the court could call upon me to argue in return. It happened so and I was called upon when I said ‘My lords …”I’m a junior and I am instructed to take passover only”, but court asked me to argue the matter then I thought opportunities may come anytime and I took that as an opportunity and then I read from the file and argued and got the appeal admitted. That was the day when I was very happy but I was unaware that there are many more to come.

    My most unforgettable moment was when had only three years in practice and with my hard work, I got an appointment as sole Arbitrator, that day was a happiest day in my career and my happiness had no bounds. I came to know that my hard work is getting recognition. That was not the last but the beginning thereafter I started getting assignment from the courts like appointment as local commissioner and Arbitrator. I still remember that when in courts judges started calling me by my name that used to be   a proud moment for me as I’m started creating place for myself and started recognition as Iram Majid.  Every job and in this case law chambers and employer/seniors is different but typically it means any experience that is relevant. job working experience is more important for examples because a full-time job is trackable and confirmable as well as usually relevant if the job is similar or in the same field. The word “professional” comes to mind.

    DO YOU THINK THAT METHODS OF ALTERNATE DISPUTE RESOLUTION SUCH AS ARBITRATION ARE THE FUTURE OF DISPUTE RESOLUTION IN INDIA?

    Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) is a substitute to the conventional method of resolving disputes including civil, commercial, industrial and family etc. ADR uses neutral third party who helps the parties to communicate, discuss the differences and resolve the dispute. The Advantages of Alternative Dispute Resolution are manifold as its less time consuming ,cost effective ,informal party centred and party autonomous Its promotes co-operation, social order and reduces hostility..

    As 3.3 crores cases are pending in Indian courts in that case alternative dispute resolution will be the future .Importance of ADR in India is to deal with the situation of pendency of cases in courts of India, ADR is expected to play a significant role in India with its scientifically developed techniques. ADR provides various modes of settlement including, arbitration, conciliation, mediation, negotiation and lok Adalat. ADR’s roots stem from the Constitution of India. Arbitration is one of the modes of ADR. The most significant development in future will be emerging divide between procedures for resolving low value and high value. Institutional Arbitration will deal with large sized dispute. The institution will do new form of automation especially version of online dispute resolution (ODR)

    It is evident that arbitration has evolved over the years as the ideal tool for resolution of disputes that saves the courts time and largely instrumental in assisting the parties to resort to quick remedial measures. Every arbitration is based on insightful application of law and its evolution is proof of its significance in the actual proceedings. Thus, arbitration has emerged as the most preferred platform for quick resolution of disputes especially in the industrial and corporate realm.

    So, arbitration is not the alternative dispute resolution but according to me this should be the “Appropriate Dispute Resolution” because its party autonomous and party centred.

     

    TELL US WHAT GOT YOU INTO TRAINING LAWYERS AND LAW STUDENTS ABOUT MEDIATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Some of the most successful people in the world mediate. I did my mediation training from Pepperdine university USA , I did Negotiation and Conflict Management Skill Certification from ADR ODR Dubi and IIAM kochi and with Delhi High Court Mediation Centre. I am faculty trainer in Bangladesh International Mediation society. Success has its attributes to the practice of meditation and that is why I got into training lawyers and law students about mediation. Moreover, I am not taking mediation as my part time profession what mostly lawyers do but mediation is my passion and that passion is the driven force to push me into training and this is the only way we can spread mediation awareness among the community and moreover for getting more people into mediation we need these kind of training programmes as well as orientation programmes.

    Mediation practice that has a long history in India. Lord Krishna, Guru Nanak Dev ji, Kalidas, Kabir and Mahatma Gandhi the list goes on. Its now developed into a science with time. Mediation the students can use in order to excel in their lives ordinarily.

     

    WHAT IS THE SKILL SET REQUIRED TO BECOME AN ARBITRATOR AND A MEDIATOR?

    Arbitration is probably the best-known form of alternative dispute resolution, and is a formal, binding process where the dispute is resolved by the decision of a nominated third party, the arbitrator. Becoming a Chartered Arbitrator is a rigorous process, involving a number of stages. In the UK, the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators trains and accredits practitioners. Skills/knowledge needed Arbitrators need to have knowledge of the laws of contract, tort and evidence and understand and be able to use the applicable procedural law one must be able to evaluate the arguments and evidence which seemingly supports conflicting points of view .

    Where disputes revolve around issues of law, lawyers often make the best arbitrators. However, where the dispute revolves around issues of fact, the parties may prefer to have an arbitrator who is skilled in the particular sector involved.

    As far as mediation is concern, mediation as ‘an attempt to bring about a peaceful settlement or compromise between disputants through a neutral party . A mediator is a trained, neutral third party who uses their skills to bring two sides in a dispute to a resolution, without resorting to litigation. Mediation is a science and an art. Although many mediation skills may be taught, the development of a skilled mediator requires experience in dealing with people in all conditions and under all circumstances. Although there are many intangibles in the definition of a “good” mediator, certain character traits are invaluable like facilitator, Active listener ,neutral, impartial . Since mediation is still a relatively new field, there are no statutory qualifications required to mediate at present. However, in order to gain work as a mediator, it would be necessary to have some form of accreditation from a body . Mediators are sometimes qualified solicitors or barristers but also come from a variety of backgrounds other than law such as architecture, human resources, counselling, social work, banking and accountancy. Some mediation is undertaken as voluntary work.

    Parties involved in a dispute requiring expertise in a specific area (such as construction) may decide that it is preferable to have a mediator with expert knowledge of that area, rather than a mediator with a legal background.

    INTERNATIONAL ARBITRATION OFTEN INVOLVES A COMPLEX INTERPLAY OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INTERNATIONAL LAW. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THIS ASPECT FOR OUR READERS?

    The importance is to have a positive approach to international commercial arbitration as a dispute resolution process. I find there is anxiety in the mind of the users of international arbitration where their investments are at stake. There is a need to ensure that commercial disputes would be resolved by specialists, in a neutral forum. The costs are to be kept low with efficiency in procedures and disposal. International commercial arbitration system promotes international trade and investment by reducing the risk that potential commercial disputes that are determined by opposite party’s home courts. It’s this complex interplay of the laws that International Arbitration can eliminate by using the arm of public and private international laws. In the national law when ever and where ever required; with the will of the parties and rules of non-national institutions and international treaties and guidelines control the process. International arbitration is a mixture of public comparative law and private international law.

    The landmarks which helped in development of the modern law and the practise of international commercial arbitration are:

    “The Geneva Protocol of 1923 (the 1923 Geneva Protocol)

    The Geneva Convention of 1927 (the 1927 Geneva Convention).

    The New York Convention of 1958 (the New York Convention).

    The UNCITRAL Arbitration Rules (the UNCITRAL Rules) adopted by resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations in December 1976.

    The UNCITRAL Model Law (the Model Law) adopted by the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law in June 1985.

    Revisions to the Model Law (the Revised Model Law) adopted in December 2006.

    The major institutions are

    International chamber of Commerce (ICC) Paris,

    American Arbitration Association (AAA), New York,

    London Court of International Arbitration (LCIA) London

    Swiss Arbitration Association (ASA)

    Kuala Lumpur Regional centre for Arbitration (KLRCA)

    The steady growth of international trade across the globe will definitely require ad hoc or international arbitration to have proper training for the arbitrators and counsel who conduct it both in the public and the private domain. The counsel to the arbitration proceedings needs to be chosen who specialise in international arbitration and have sound knowledge of the subject matter of the dispute and a person who can cater to the needs of the party with some regional and local law knowledge.

    YOU ARE A MEMBER OF ALL MAJOR ARBITRATION INSTITUTIONS. WHAT IS YOUR PREFERRED FORUM?

    I am a member of CIArb UK, (YSIAC), ICC YAF, Dubai International Arbitration Centre, AIAC Kualalampur and so on I am doing arbitration in Delhi High Court Arbitration Centre as well .  My preferred forum for Arbitration is Institutional Arbitrations and it is so because of the growth of the economy, trade and commerce. With diverse economy, investment into the Indian market by the foreign investors is the reason for institutional arbitration.

    Prestigious institutional arbitration association like the London Court of International Arbitration, The Permanent Court of Arbitration and the International Chamber of Commerce have opened Centres in India. It’s a positive sign because these institutes are very well-known and prestigious and wouldn’t have opened Centres in India if they did not see a potential growth in Institutional arbitration. Apart this CIArb not only gives accreditation but also trained in arbitration it is world wide renowned body.

    For youngster the forums like ICC , SIAC, CIArb provides the platform to learn and help in career development . As per new bill only accreditation will be mandatory to become an Arbitrator. If you wish to choose Arbitration as a career than please try to get associated with any forum and try to get accreditation with esteemed organisation as in coming days it will be mandatory. So, this is the right time to wake up and act without any delay.

    DO SOMETHING TODAY THAT YOUR FUTURE SELF THANK YOU FOR

     

    HOW DO YOU REMAIN UPDATED WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FIELD OF INTERNATIONAL ARBITRATION AND MEDIATION?

    åI have identified several trade associations and newsletters of different institutions and societies. Joined associations that are in my area of interest in order to meet people working in the prospective field. Professional publications, including those produced by bar association sections s that I can get insights into new practice areas or new fields. Bar section meetings and conventions and workshops also are a creation of source and an excellent opportunity to meet people who work in one of your targeted fields and provide a reality check for me.

    Additionally, by joining organisations like moot courts and journals, doing pro-bono work, and participating in a clinic authored by the respective Bar Associations and Legal Societies. I am also on the editorial board of one of the most widely circulated e magazine of ADR in India i.e IIAM e – magazine that I think also a great help to get oneself updated.

     

     

    WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY COLLEGE STUDENTS?

    BE FAITHFUL TO THAT WHICH EXIST WITHIN YOURSELF. The best piece of suggestion I can give any law student is to really get involved in law school by joining organisations like moot courts and journals, doing pro-bono work, or participating in a clinic (or all of the above), which become important skills that lawyers use every day.

    Work through Moot Court and develop first-hand legal skills like research and writing or getting up on your feet and arguing – real-life lawyer skills. Be really prepared to dive right into the assignment. Become part of a network as it helps building contacts across the legal industry. Say “yes” to moot assignments and learning to say “yes” begins in law school.

    KNOWING YOURSELF IS THE BEGINNING OF ALL WISDOM

    Apart this I want to give a piece of advice for healthy ad self-esteemed life because   most often when we people discuss success they do so in terms of careers. I encourage you to also   pay attention to a different kinds of success as well _ success in life , when we are young we do not quite see the distinction in between career success and success in life but the difference is significant and to achieve ultimate happiness one have to understand , it’s not like we cannot achieve both but we have to consider them both and be the successful person in your own version. Perseverance is definitely the key to success. Every once in a while, you will fail, and most of the time, the circumstances will be beyond your control. The key to overcoming this; is this DO NOT let your failures keep you down. compose yourself, dust the dirt off, take a deep breath and get back up on life saddle and keep going. failures are part of life if you don’t fail, you don’t learn. If   you don’t learn, you will never change. The world doesn’t care how many times you fall down, as long as it’s one fewer than the number of times you get back. so,

    • Know yourself
    • Understand what makes you feel great
    • Recognise things that get you down
    • Set goals to achieve what you want
    • Don’t afraid to ask for help
    • Stand up for your belief & values
    • Help someone
    • Take responsibility of your action
    • Be confident.

    So , act like there is no tomorrow because if you taking your goal for granted or then probably you will be too late

     

  • Raghu Ram, Founder and CEO, Law Abode LPO, on his startup, and the challenges of starting your own venture

    Raghu Ram, Founder and CEO, Law Abode LPO, on his startup, and the challenges of starting your own venture

    Raghu Ram completed his graduation from Jagarlamudi Chandramouli College of Law, Guntur in 2005. He then went on to purse his MBA from University of Central Queensland (Australia).  He is the CEO and founder of Law Abode LPO. He has more than thirteen years of experience in business development and legal operations management. Prior to this he has worked at Acumen LPO and Pegasys LPO.

    In this interview he talks about:

    • Legal skills required to work in LPO;
    • About his startup Law Abode LPO;
    • Challenges of starting your own venture.

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    I would like to introduce myself as Founder & CEO of Law Abode LPO, a boutique legal outsourcing firm catering legal and technical services to American and Canadian Attorneys. Over the past six years I have been running the firm. At the age of 29 I started Law Abode LPO. Prior to this I worked with two startups as a legal and business consultant. I am self-motivated guy who believes in hard work. I got my B.A. LL.B from Jagarlamudi Chandramouli College of Law, Guntur in the year 2005 and M.B.A from Central Queensland University, Australia in the year 2007. I take care of business development and legal operations of the firm.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR COLLEGE LIFE?

    My college days are unforgettable. Those days are the happiest days of my life. In college, I met two important persons of my life. I have learned a lot from my principal (Dr. Sudhakara Babu). He is my guide and mentor even today. He is my backbone and like my father. Another person is my wife (Jaya Lakshmi), now she is working as Judge in AP Judiciary. I was very proactive student in the college with good academics. Not only academics, I participated in cultural, sports and all other activities held in college. I was the college topper and secured awards for meritorious performance in university exam. I gave paper presentation at national level symposiums and was a regular participant in college debates and moot courts. I believe college life has a great impact on me in shaping my career.

     

    YOU PURSUED MBA FROM UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL QUEENSLAND AFTER LLB. WHY THE DECISION TO PURSUE MBA AFTER LLB?

    The main reason to pursue MBA after LLB is to get different combination. In early 2000 I heard about LPO and outsourcing concepts. There were debates about foreign law firms entering to India. That time I thought in this changing global scenario Law and Management combination will definitely give me good career. A law and MBA degree helps professionals build expertise in either field, for example, marketing in management, or litigation in law. But in a rapidly globalising economy, a combination could take one’s career much further. And, given the demand for a combination of law and MBA qualifications, this dual combination helped me lot to start my own firm, because I have knowledge in legal services and I know how to market these services.

     

    WHAT IS THE WORK PROFILE OF A LEGAL CONSULTANT AT AN LPO?

    My first work profile was of  legal and business consultant; I was part of both business development and legal operations. Work profile for the legal consultant depends upon the LPO firm. Some of the LPOs offer only contract management services and some of them offer personal injury services. Now most of the big LPO firms primer service is contract management and document review. Normal job of legal consultant would be doing the legal research, preparing legal memos, contract drafting, contract review, its mostly attorney supporting work.

     

    COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO OUR YOUNG READERS WHAT IS AN LPO AND WHAT ARE THE TASKS UNDERTAKEN BY IT?

    Legal process outsourcing (LPO) is new concept. Its part of KPO (Knowledge process outsourcing). Most of them think it’s also something like BPO. But it’s absolutely wrong. In BPO person’s qualifications and subject knowledge is not much required. But in LPO it is different. If anyone wants to work in LPO, they should have law degree for most of the work. Basically in LPO firms, most of the work would be legal support services, legal research, legal drafting, contract drafting, contract review, personal injury claim matters, e-discovery, preparing bankruptcy chapters, intellectual property matters. These are the main tasks LPOs are taking right now.

     

    WE HAVE HEARD THE LPO WORK GETS REPETITIVE AND THERE IS LIMITED GROWTH IN THE SAME? IS IT TRUE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISPEL THIS WIDESPREAD OPINION ABOUT THIS CAREER CHOICE?

    Yes, LPO work gets repetitive. Because you are working with attorneys, they have every day paper work. As long as they are in regular practice we will receive work. It’s the beauty of the industry; I have close to ten years of work association with some of my clients. It’s all about trust building with your quality work. Once you are accustomed to their way of work, it is really happy to work with. I am completely disagreeing with your opinion about career growth, there is huge scope of career growth, with in span of 10 years one can reach to good position in LPO sector. We will have lot of exposure about international market and foreign legal issues. In terms of salary wise also LPOs are giving good packages.

     

    HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO START YOUR OWN VENTURE? WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES INVOLVED?

    I started my own firm when I was 29. After four years of real time experience and witnessing a few key moments of work culture led me to start my own firm. Since my wife is into judicial services, she use to have a transfer in every three years. This is also one of the reasons to start my own venture. Now I have comfort to work from any place and I can make the decisions on my own. There are challenges involved running LPO firm. The biggest challenge is convincing the client and getting work from them. It’s really a herculean task. We can convenience the attorney only with quality of work. If you research is less than perfect, its no use. Timely delivery of the projects and resource availability are major concern. Firms like us, we are working in tier two cities, and availability of resources is less as compare to metros. W get good resources in metro cities but it’s difficult to get in small places.

     

    WHAT ARE THE LEGAL SKILLS REQUIRED TO BE WORKING IN AN LPO?

    LPO is perceived as an alternative career option for lawyers. LPO provides an attractive alternative to legal professionals, offering them higher salaries, work-life balance and better working conditions. Working with foreign attorneys always a tough call. We need to adapt to their way of working and usage of technology. Lawyers who want to work in LPO need have good command over the english language and legal analytical skills. Lawyers are required to be well versed with the legal procedural differences including expertise in online legal databases.

     

    DOES LAW ABODE LPO OFFER INTERNSHIPS TO LAW STUDENTS? HOW CAN A LAW STUDENT APPLY FOR THE SAME?

    Yes, we offer internships to selected students. Students can send their information to email: info@lawabodelpo.com

     

    WHAT SKILLS AND QUALITIES WOULD YOU LOOK FOR IN ANY LAWYER BEFORE OFFERING HIM A JOB WITH YOUR LPO?

    I strongly believe that there is no substitute for hard work. Working in legal profession whether its regular legal practice, working in corporate legal department or working in LPO, lawyers need have lot of patience. They should be ready to work long hours. The skill-set we see in resources is mainly their communication, use of online tools, understanding about legal issues, research skills and their academics.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR WORD OF ADVICE TO YOUNG LAWYERS AND LAW STUDENTS?

    I personally believe, working in legal profession is always challenging. Every day is new task. Particularly for law students, they have lot of career opportunities like judicial services, corporate legal departments, traditional court practice and working LPO sector. It better to have clear goal in which they want to go. Basing on that they have to upgrade required skill set. It’s always better to participate in moot courts and debates to enhance their speaking skills. In changing global scenario they have to observe latest trends in legal market. Use of online tools and technology always has an advantage to do the things faster.

     

  • Advocate Maximus: sign up for the global Arb-Med competition

    Advocate Maximus: sign up for the global Arb-Med competition

    Advocate Maximus is a global platform for law eaglets to learn and compete at the biggest stage of Arbitration and Mediation. This legal cocktail (Arb-Med) has been spoken of as an exotic product for decades, but all the academics hasn’t really led to business. With exposure to some of the leading practitioners, a stage to test skills and recognition from the world’s best, we are confident #ArbMed will be the real fad.

    Advocate Maximus refers to a skilled and knowledgeable lawyer, who is as good a negotiator as she or he is a mooter. This competition is named after Advocate Ratan K Singh to recognise and honour his continuous contribution to the field of ADR. The logo is an eagle soaring in all its glory. Before the big flight, every law eaglet will have to first take the leap of faith as #ResolutionaryLawyers In this interview, we talk to Jonathan Rodrigues, Nisshant Laroia and Adv. Ratan K Singh who take us through the details of Arb-Med test, ‘Advocate Maximus’.

     

    WHAT IS ADVOCATE MAXIMUS?

    JONATHAN: Advocate Maximus is an Arb-Med test for law students across the globe, who fancy a career in non-conventional platforms of legal practice. It is scheduled from December 19-23, at New Delhi, the competition features Arbitration mooting sessions followed by the same competing lawyers attempting to negotiate the same dispute in a Mediation setting. The competition logo resembles a eaglet taking flight before soaring in the sky. The competition is dedicated to Advocate Ratan K Singh in recognition of his contribution and unconditional support to ADR in India.

    The PACT is collaborating with some of the biggest names in the field of dispute resolution, either as partners or supporters to Advocate Maximus. Some of these include (not limited to) SIAC, JAMS, AIAC, SIMI, CEDR, MBBI, HKIAC, MIARB, SCMA, YMI, AMATI, IIAM, etc. These collaborators have defined their roles, with the partners providing cash vouchers, discounts, books and internships as incentives for those who fare well at the competition. The final rounds of the competition will be broadcast on LawSikho.com for learning purpose and the winners will be featured on SuperLawyer.

    The inaugural and valedictory sessions of the competition will be held at India International Centre, New Delhi. The venues for the preliminary rounds, the social nights and the networking parties will be announced by the first week of October on the official website: www.thepact.in/advocate-maximus.

     

    IT’S A HUGE RISK ORGANISING SOMETHING INDEPENDENT OF LAW SCHOOL / UNIVERSITY REPRESENTATION. WHAT INSPIRED YOU AND WHY DO YOU THINK ITS NECESSARY?

    NISSHANT: I believe that every university should provide its students maximum exposure and opportunities for their personal learning, development and growth. Many students don’t have access to opportunities due to rigid university policies, politics in law school committees and inevitable red tapism.

    We have heard of instances where universities have had a moot court committee and an ADR cell but it is the moot court committee that had the jurisdiction of allocating the ADR competitions to students. To pick any Mediation or Negotiation competition, one has to go through the university intra moot court rounds. Moot court competitions and Mediation & Negotiation competitions are poles apart. The skills needed in both are completely different. Inspite of that, students who want to go for the big mediation competitions, couldn’t do so due to not having strong mooting skills.

    I am aware that one can’t go around every country pushing for change and that we must respect structures that are in place. But I am also a strong believer that if you feel strongly about something, try and initiate the change personally and hopefully, it will inspire others to join along. It’s time to skip the red tape and challenge yourself. The simple eligibility criterion for Advocate Maximus is – the participant has to be a law student and must have an exceptional mooting and negotiation profile.

    WHAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE COMPETITION?

    JONATHAN: Created and conceptualised to highlight the role of the lawyer in the practice and promotion of out-of-court dispute resolution, Advocate Maximus aims to officially invite the lawyer community to shed their “suits” and “courts” and embrace dispute resolution. The role of the lawyer if often misunderstood and underrated in arbitration and mediation, when in reality, it’s the lawyers who determine and influence the approach of disputing parties. Whether commercial, community, personal or professional, disputes can be consensually resolved even if the parties initially chose an adversarial approach.

    The legal profession is experiencing huge tectonic shifts, where young lawyers are expected to be equipped with all round – adversarial and conciliatory – skills. There is no room for “I am a hardcore litigator, ADR is not my cup of tea”. Aware and empowered, clients today are more demanding and impatient in getting what they want. In a profession where, until now, the client has always come second, times are changing. A revolution is on the horizon and its looking for ‘Resolutionary’ Lawyers.

     

    WHAT IS THE VISION OF PACT?

    NISSHANT: Before being formally registered as The PACT, the idea of creating a collective of young professionals grew out of a courtroom horror where a 70-year-old old man was fighting a battle in court over a 30ft wall for 28 years. He sat on the last bench, while his lawyer walked in to court, got an adjournment, and walked out, without even glancing at him. That day, somewhere in the hearts of the cofounders, The PACT was conceived.

    The vision has remained the same – to support and encourage people from all walks of life to become effective users and ambassadors of dispute resolution; And to loop together a network of professionals in the field of consensual dispute resolution, and unite them to contribute to research, awareness and literature.

    WHAT DO ABBREVIATIONS FOR ADR & CDR STAND FOR IN SIMPLE WORDS?

    NISSHANT: ADR is an abbreviation often used to define a broad range of platforms and mechanisms that users may engage in to resolve disputes without going to court. We can go on about this, but for us at The PACT, ADR simply means Arbitration, as it is a process that is still adversarial, but is much more flexible and informal compared to a court room proceeding.

    We have been promoting mediation, negotiation and conciliation as ‘CDR’ – Consensual Dispute Resolution – mechanisms, as these platforms empower disputing parties to resolve the dispute by determining for themselves the ideal settlement. CDR mechanisms put the decision-making power in the hands of the parties. They promote direct dialogue between parties and thereby encourage them to try and understand the interests of the opposite party i.e. understanding not just what they are wanting but why they are wanting what they are wanting.

     

    WHAT IS THE IDEA OF ADR IN YOUNG LAWYERS?

    Adv. RATAN K SINGH: This generation has no patience to wait for justice, neither does it want to spend on court fees nor does it want to risk the loss of reputation or status. This generation wants a quick and effective fix to its problem and it wants it done discretely. This generation is fixated on being positive and it doesn’t mind giving in a little to get a little. The client is changing and the counsel needs a upgraded ammunition of knowledge and skills to deal with these trends.

    Advocate Maximus is a global platform for law eaglets to learn and compete at the biggest stage of arbitration and mediation. This legal cocktail has been spoken of as an exotic product for decades, but all the academics hasn’t really led to business. With exposure to some of the leading practitioners, a stage to test skills and recognition from the world’s best, we are confident Are-Med will finally be a reality.

     

    HOW CAN ONE APPLY FOR ADVOCATE MAXIMUS?

    JONATHAN: All details with regards to registration for the competition are up on the website – www.thepact.in/advocate-maximus This link has all information on team structure, competition rules, awards and the google form that needs to be filled to register. Interested teams may send in their team profile (combined or individual CVs) to advocatemaximus@thepact.in

    It is a team event. You can create your own team, putting together friends and peers from different law schools, based in different cities, countries, cultures. There is even an award for the most diverse team at the competition – The Dream Team Award.

    For the inaugural edition this December, being a law student (LLB / LLM) is a must. We plan to evolve into more wider and diverse competition in the following editions, inviting students from the business and political science background as well.

     

    HOW SHOULD STUDENTS PREPARE FOR ADVOCATE MAXIMUS COMPETITION?

    Adv RATAN K SINGH: Participants must firstly divide team roles according to their strengths. The Legal Associate must begin preparing the arbitration memo and assist the mooters in rehearsing their arguments. For those who don’t have specialised mooters and negotiators in the team, the counsels must begin practicing back-to-back arbitration and mediation sessions to get used to changing styles and approaches as counsels. Some teams may need to have different sets of coaches preparing them for the competition as they might seek advice from both arbitration and mediation lawyers. Shifting between the two diverse skill sets will be key to be declared winners at Advocate Maximus.

     

  • Ashok K. Gupta, Senior Advocate, Supreme Court of India, on the AOR exam, life in litigation and being on panel of union government

    Ashok K. Gupta  graduated in B.A. (Hons. – Political Science) from University of Delhi in the year 1976.  Then he completed LL.B. from Campus Law Centre, University of Delhi in 1979.

    He enrolled as an Advocate with Bar Council of Delhi in January, 1981.  After practicing in District Court, Delhi for two years, shifted to Supreme Court & joined the chamber of Mr. P.H. Parekh, Advocate Supreme Court of India. He passed the Advocate-on-Record Examination conducted by Supreme Court of India in November, 1986.  And started his Independent Practice in 1987.

    He practices primarily before the Supreme Court, various High Courts like Jabalpur and Indore Benches of MP High Court, High Court of Odisha at Cuttack and Punjab & Haryana High Court, and before various statutory fora like National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission (NCDRC), National Green Tribunal (NGT) & Appellate Tribunal for Electricity (APTEL) .

    He was appointed Counsel by Delhi High Court (to conduct its cases on the administrative side) before the Supreme Court in the year 2000. The he was appointed Senior Panel Counsel for UOI in Delhi High Court, in January 2001. He was designated as a Senior Advocate in April, 2012. He was the appointed by the supreme court as chairman of three-member committee under the Right to Education Act to report on compliance with various stipulations contained in the Right to Education Act in April, 2014. And also, other pro-bono committees.

    He is also the member of Supreme Court Bar Association, Delhi High Court Bar Association, Odisha High Court Bar Association, Madhya Pradesh High Court Bar Association and International Law Association. Life member of All India Women’s Education Fund Association and in that capacity was elected as member of the Governing Body of Lady Irwin College, University of Delhi during the Academic Year 1996-1997 and 1997-1998. Life member and Treasurer of Confederation of Indian Bar.

    In this interview, we talk to him about:

    • Being a first generation lawyer: college life, internships and interest in litigation;
    • Establishing his independent practice;
    • Cracking the Supreme Court Advocate on Record examination;
    • His wide range of practice encompassing various courts, tribunals and;
    • As Panel of Union Of India for Delhi High Court.

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    I would like to be known as a quintessential Delhi-06 person, who loves his family, puts in honest, hard work, never ceases to learn and practice, and yet, enjoys all the good things of life: food of Old Delhi, and theatre at Mandi House in the evening, to name a few. This is my typical middle-class perception of myself.

     

    YOU ARE A FIRST GENERATION LAWYER. WHAT LED YOU CHOOSE LAW AFTER GRADUATION IN POLITICAL SCIENCE?

    Right, I am a first-generation lawyer. After my graduation in political science from Delhi University way back in the year 1976, I chose law not because it fascinated me; I chose law because I thought firstly, it would help me in my Civil Services examination, and shall be my second subject apart from political science. The other feeling was that, in case, I fail to make it to the Civil Services (as indeed, I did), I won’t be unemployable and could always do something as a professional lawyer. So, this was with a view to ensure that I don’t remain unemployed and/or unemployable.

     

    YOU STARTED YOUR CAREER WITH PRACTICE IN DISTRICT COURTS. HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR YOUNG LAWYERS TO KNOW BASIC DISTRICT COURT PRACTICE BEFORE MOVING TO THE HIGH COURT AND SUPREME COURT.

    It is correct that I started my career in district courts. Knowing that the nitty-gritty of practice in the Districts Courts is an absolute must for a young lawyer, I’m not suggesting that a lawyer should not aspire to become a High Court/ Supreme Court practitioner. All that I’m suggesting is that one should be fully familiar with the procedural parts of the legal practice, both on the criminal as well as the civil side. At the genesis of one’s career, it is your known circle of acquaintances who approach you, say, for a recovery suit, section 138 complaint, some accident or insurance case, matrimonial disputes and such matters which primarily emanate at the district court level. The ideal situation would be, of course, where one joins a chamber, which handles district court work, besides work in the constitutional courts.

     

    YOU JOINED THE CHAMBER OF SENIOR ADVOCATE PH PAREKH. PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH HIM.

    Way back in the early eighties, the experience of working in my senior’s chamber was very fascinating and exhilarating. We were about a dozen junior colleagues at that time and it was not unusual for one junior to be doing two-three cases each day. The day would normally begin with a conference with a Senior Counsel like Mr. Fali Nariman, Mr. Sorabjee, Mr. Mridul or Mr. Tarkunde at around 8:30 A.M in the morning, court thereafter, after which we would be immediately heading towards office for drafting work and, again, the cause list would come around 6:30 P.M, whereupon our senior would allocate matters; the office of Senior Counsel would be informed and conferences fixed for next day morning. Then you head towards home around 9 PM and read the brief for the next day morning conference. But we had great fun; lot of outings and birthday celebrations, with legal conferences and seminars thrown-in between.

     

    HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO COMMENCE YOUR INDEPENDENT PRACTICE WITHIN A SHORT SPAN OF SIX YEARS AFTER GRADUATION?

    I decided to commence my independent practice once I realised that one cannot be somebody’s junior eternally. By the time I commenced practice, I had already passed my AOR examination and knew that one has to setup his own practice one day.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO LAWYERS APPEARING FOR AOR EXAM NOW?

    I can really advise that a lawyer should thoroughly prepare with case law, latest judgements and equip himself with precise and concise drafting skills. One should know that on the account of the very heavy work load, the Supreme Court judges very much like and appreciate if the pleadings are to the point, not verbose and the point arising in the case is neatly stated. I keep emphasising and reinforcing to my juniors and briefing counsels: “don’t miss the forest for the trees”.

     

    WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES IN STARTING INDEPENDENT PRACTICE?

    Challenges in starting independent practice are no different from starting any new venture in any new sphere of activity. But, then, if you put in sufficient quality work, you are bound to be noticed. You have to build up reputation for being an upright and a committed professional. Of course, all this would take time. Nothing good was ever achieved in a short time.

     

    YOU ALSO TAKE UP AND ARGUE ARBITRATION CASES. HOW IS PRACTICE IN ARBITRATION DIFFERENT FROM LITIGATION PRACTICE IN INDIA?

    I was first introduced to arbitration way back in the mid-eighties when I appeared alongside a noted junior counsel (now, a respectable Judge of the Supreme Court) in an arbitration proceeding pertaining to claims and counter-claims arising out of the 1982 Asian Games held in New Delhi. The Arbitral Tribunal was headed by Justice (Retd.) A.C. Gupta of the Supreme Court. He was a very quiet and taciturn arbitrator, unlike the majority of present-day arbitrators. For a successful arbitration practice, it is indispensable for one to know the basic essentials of handling suits, even though the technicalities of CPC and Evidence Act do not apply to arbitration proceedings. Surely, one must know about admission and denial of documents, framing of issues (not all arbitral tribunals frame issues), and the proof of documents in case of denial by other side, etc. Also, the art of cross-examination assumes a lot of significance and seriousness in an Arbitration proceeding. An arbitration claim is no different from a claim in a suit, except that the procedure is shorn of all the technicalities, and there is much less stress because of less pressure of time.

     

    YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN ON THE PANEL OF UNION OF INDIA FOR DELHI HIGH COURT. WHAT IS THE MODUS OPERANDI WORKING FOR THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT?

    This was the first time ever that I worked for any government (Central/ State). I was, hitherto, primarily appearing for private clients and some PSUs. It was, initially, difficult for me to adjust to the role of a government lawyer, inasmuch you hardly receive timely instructions, proper records are not maintained, and most of the time you cut a sorry figure before the Court, not on the account of any lack of professional skill or competence on your part. That said, it is, indubitably, a matter of pride, prestige and honour for any lawyer to be empaneled as a government lawyer.

     

    WHAT ARE THE SKILLS REQUIRED FOR A LAWYER AIMING TO BE A SENIOR ADVOCATE IN HIS CAREER?

    First, one has to be a competent and honest lawyer and the other, one should totally abjure sharp practices as a lawyer. There have been several instances, where very skilful and competent lawyers were not given the designation of a Senior Advocate by the Court, on account of the perception of lack of ethics on the part of such lawyer. Now, of course, the Supreme Court in the judgement of ‘Ms.Indira Jaising vs. Supreme Court of India’ has laid down the entire procedure for designation of a lawyer as a Senior Advocate.

     

    BEING A LAWYER, IS IT DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN WORK-LIFE BALANCE?

    Work-life balance is difficult but not impossible to achieve, just like in any other business or employment. Here the complexities are of a different nature, in the sense, that in the early years as a lawyer, money is hard to come by, hours are uncertain and stress is a little too much to handle. The reason being that the client is primarily concerned with the outcome of his case, not really concerned with your legal knowledge and the hard work put in by you. This does take its toll on one’s health and impacts work life balance.

     

    WHAT IS THE REQUIRED SKILL-SET OF BEING A SUCCESSFUL LAWYER?

    Being successful in the profession requires no set of different rules than the ones you require in other spheres of activities of life. It is talent, hard work and luck – an amalgamation of all the three.

     

    PLEASE LET US ABOUT YOUR MOST MEMORABLE CASES.

    I have appeared in hundreds of cases in my career as a lawyer spread over 38 years, as an instructing advocate in the early years of practice, and as a counsel thereafter, and a senior advocate in later part of life. A government-tender matter, wherein I had engaged and instructed Mr. S.S Ray, Sr. Adv. (now deceased) and Dr. Shankar Ghosh, Sr. Adv. to appear before the Jabalpur High Court in 1991-1992 stands out in my mind. The other case that I fondly remember of the nineties was a very complex trademark case before Justice Ajay Noth Roy of the Calcutta High Court against NALCO Chemicals, USA. I found Justice Roy to be an outstanding and brilliant judge, though the Supreme Court collegium, perhaps, thought otherwise. Among the arbitration matters, I have a proclivity towards my case, ‘National Aluminium Company vs. Pressteel & Fabrications Pvt. Ltd.’: (2004) 1 SCC 540, which paved the way for the Supreme Court to rule on the applicability of the 2015 Arbitration Amendment Act in ‘BCCI vs. Kochi Cricket Pvt. Ltd.’. In recent years, in the cases, ‘National Aluminium Company Ltd. vs. Ananta Kishore Rout’: (2014) 6 SCC 756, ‘Chairman-cum-MD vs. Bharat Chandra Behera’: (2013) 16 SCC 622 and ‘Kalinga Mining Corp. vs. UOI’: (2013) 5 SCC 252, I was able to persuade the Supreme Court to sustain my view point.

     

    HOW CAN JUNIOR WISHING TO WORK UNDER YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU? WHAT QUALITIES WILL YOU LOOK FOR HIRING A JUNIOR?

    A junior wishing to work with me can directly approach me, no need for an intermediary. The only quality I look for in a junior is that he should be hardworking. I have always maintained and continue to maintain till this date, that a talented person might fail but a hardworking person never fails.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR WORD OF ADVICE TO YOUNG LAWYERS AND LAW STUDENTS AIMING TO MAKE CAREER IN LITIGATION?

    My advice to young lawyers would be no different than what I received in the early eighties, and it is: “work like a horse, live like a hermit”. Now, a word of unsolicited advice: I would very much like if young lawyers take to politics as well, even as they continue to practice law. There is such a dearth of good people- professionally employed people in Politics. This way you contribute to the well-being of the society, as also enhance your own prospect in the profession. The success achieved by the likes of P. Chidambaram, Arun Jaitley and Kapil Sibal is attributable, in part, to their being seen in politics.