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  • Manu Beri, Advocate, on setting up independent practice; litigation at NCLT and urgent need for reforming judicial system

    Manu Beri, Advocate, on setting up independent practice; litigation at NCLT and urgent need for reforming judicial system

    Manu Beri graduated from Campus Law Centre, University of Delhi, in 2000. With over eighteen years of experience in litigation, he has handled a variety of matters in different forums including the Supreme Court, Delhi High Court, National Company Law Tribunal, National Consumer Commission and Arbitration Tribunals.

    In this interview we speak to him about:

    • His early years as lawyer in litigation practice
    • His experience in various courts
    • Challenges of a litigation lawyer
    • Building independent practice

     

     HOW WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    I practice in the Supreme Court, Delhi High Court, National Company Law Tribunal, National Consumer Commission and before Arbitration Tribunals. Have been doing a variety of legal matters both in Corporate and Criminal law (Economic Offences) for clients in India and from abroad, including large and medium size corporations in FMCG, Logistics, and Infrastructure sectors etc.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR COLLEGE LIFE. WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO TAKE UP LAW AS A CAREER?

    I did my LL.B from Campus Law Centre, Faculty of Law, University of Delhi in the year 2000. Spending three years during my LL.B course in the North Campus of DU was quite good. The best part of it was that Senior Lawyers would come to our Faculty to share their experiences and interact with the students. I had the opportunity to listen to stalwarts like Mr. Ram Jethmalani, Mr. Harish Salve and many others. Likewise, some practicing lawyers used to take our classes. In addition to regular faculty, teaching by visiting/guest faculty helped us to know the practical aspects of the legal profession while studying Law. I hope they are continuing with this system and other Law schools have also introduced this.

    My initial interest to do law came from studying subjects like Political Science in which I got to know of constitutions of many democracies in the World. Out of all other professions, I found law intellectually challenging and stimulating. Unlike many other professions, it gives you a chance for lifelong learning. A Lawyer can help develop or change the policy making not only in his client’s businesses but Government policies as well. Law helps you constantly learn and grow.

    My uncle Mr. Sandip Beri is in the legal profession. After having practiced in the Supreme Court of India and then having done a long stint with law firms and corporations in the USA and India, he is presently a partner with a large Corporate Law firm in Delhi. He was the guiding force behind my decision to take up law as a career. Through him I had a fair idea of what the legal profession was all about.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR INITIAL YEARS OF PRACTICE.

    After working for about a year and a half as a Junior Lawyer, I started my own independent practice a little early in my career. However, I think I should have worked for a few more years as a Junior lawyer. But luckily for me in my initial years of practice I was able to get good work from some Companies and I learnt a lot from the work I did for them by handling various legal issues for them in Courts and otherwise. Also, briefing Senior Counsels in the High Court and Supreme Court on important matters has been a good learning experience for me. I think learning in this profession comes from handling maximum cases and arguing in Courts. The more cases you work on, the more you will enhance your knowledge, skills and consequently increase your confidence as a litigation lawyer. When I started my law practice, I was advised to specialize in any one branch of law rather than doing a variety of legal work but I somehow did not like this idea and I knew what I wanted to do. It is very exciting to work on cases involving different legal issues. I have had the opportunity to represent clients in a variety of matters like IPR Suits, Writ Petitions, Arbitrations, Consumer matters, Company Petitions and Criminal matters in the higher Courts. I hate monotony in professional work; hence getting to do cases from different branches of law has only enhanced my knowledge and skill set.

     

    AS A LITIGATION LAWYER, THE TOUGHEST CHALLENGE IS TO GET CASES – WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TIPS TO LAWYERS WHO HAVE JUST STARTED OUT IN THEIR CAREER.

    Public relations are very important in legal profession. But more than that if you work with sincerity for your clients and give them positive results in a time bound manner, then one client will naturally lead to another through word of mouth and there cannot be a better publicity or advertisement than this for a lawyer.

     

    YOU CHOSE TO WORK IN TRIAL COURTS AND DISTRICT COURTS INSTEAD OF MOVING DIRECTLY TO THE HIGH COURT AND SUPREME COURT. HOW IMPORTANT IS TRIAL COURT PRACTICE IN THE INITIAL YEARS OF ONE’S CAREER?

    In the initial years of practice one may not get big and high stake matters and even if one gets such matters in higher courts then the clients prefer Senior Counsels to argue these matters. Therefore, Trial Courts give junior lawyers a chance to conduct depositions and argue the cases themselves which is a great learning experience and confidence building measure.

     

    YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIAL NCLT PRACTICE AS WELL. PLEASE TELL US HOW CAN ONE GAIN EXPERTISE IN COMPANY AND INSOLVENCY AND BANKRUPTCY LAW.

    Well, as I said for gaining expertise one needs to handle maximum cases in that field of law. Mere theoretical knowledge of any law subject is not going to help. In my view, to gain expertise in any branch of law it is important to read and understand the statute with the relevant judgments passed by the courts and then handling cases in courts/tribunals. Also, one should keep oneself updated with the latest news in the corporate world through print and electronic media. In corporate litigation practice, in addition to understanding the law, a lawyer has to understand his client’s business. This has helped me to learn so much about different businesses and industries, as well as the diverse areas of law that impact my clients.

     

    WHAT IS THE ONE IMPORTANT LESSON YOU HAVE LEARNT IN YOUR CAREER AS A LITIGATION LAWYER?

    One thing I have realised over the years is that one should also listen with an open mind to what clients have to say about their case in addition to the facts, rather than being dismissive about their logic and opinion. Sometimes, their ideas based on their life and business experience can really help in developing a case.

     

    HOW DO YOU RECOMMEND A FRESH LAW GRADUATE INTERESTED IN LITIGATION START THEIR CAREER?

    I started my own independent practice a little early in my career. However, I think I should have worked for a few more years as a junior lawyer. My advice to budding lawyers, who intend to enter into litigation, is that they should spend at least two-three years as a junior in a law office having lot of drafting work and reasonable number of appearances in courts and after that if they get a chance to work in the office of a good Senior Counsel, they should spend a couple of years in the Senior’s office as well.

     

    HOW CAN ONE APPLY FOR INTERNSHIP UNDER YOU? HOW CAN AN INTERN STAND OUT DURING HIS INTERNSHIP?

    I generally keep one intern at a time so that we can have maximum interaction with each other. I invite CVs from interns and then decide. At this stage of their legal education the interns are expected to do the research work and read case files. I think an intern can stand out by doing good research work and finding judgments for the ongoing cases.

     

    WHAT QUALITIES DO YOU LOOK FOR IN A JUNIOR?

    A junior should be hardworking having the ability to put in long working hours, sincere, reliable and courteous.

     

    WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

    It amazes me how under the given circumstances the Judges in this country work tirelessly to decide cases and write judgments by spending extra hours to deal with pendency of cases. It is very challenging to properly hear and decide so many cases on the board in a single day. There is an urgent need to increase the number of judges so that the justice delivery system is quick and more efficient.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR WORD OF ADVICE TO YOUNG LAWYERS AND LAW STUDENTS?

    For young budding lawyers it is very important to plan their career path right from the law school years, by doing extensive internships with Judges, litigation lawyers, Law Firms, and in-house lawyers etc twice a year which can be really helpful as they plan their future in the profession.

     

     

     

  • Rohan Bishayee, Legal Advisor, DFDL, on building his career in Corporate Law and work experience in South East Asia

    Rohan Bishayee, Legal Advisor, DFDL, on building his career in Corporate Law and work experience in South East Asia

    Rohan Bishayee graduated from School of Law, KIIT University with a specialisation in Corporate Law. Throughout law school he was the topper of  BBA LLB course and received several awards for academic excellence. Apart from academics, he won several awards including a Best Advocate Award at the Moot Court Competition held in IMS Unison University, Dehradun. Upon graduating from School of Law, KIIT University, he received job offers from various top tier law firms and is currently working in DFDL and exploring the global market.
    In this interview we speak to him about:
    • Reasons for choosing DFDL and shifting base to South East Asia;
    • Tips on the cv of a  law student aiming to joining an International law firm
    • His role and responsibilities as legal advisor at DFDL ;
    • Recruitment process at DFDL

     

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PRE-COLLEGE LIFE?

    A corporate lawyer, sports aficionado and musician believing in spirit and the power of dreams.

    I practice corporate law with DFDL, a top tier law firm having offices across South East Asia (Phnom Penh, Yangon, Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore, Hanoi, etc.) Apart from being a lawyer, I am a passionate musician and can play the violin and the guitar, among other instruments. I was part of a chamber music orchestra known as “L’Atelier de Musique” and performed in concerts in India and other countries. I love playing and watching football and was privileged enough to be selected for a “Manchester United Soccer Schools” training programme during my school days.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR TIME AT LAW SCHOOL. HOW WAS YOUR APPROACH TOWARDS ACADEMICS WHILE IN COLLEGE?

    The five years that I spent at School of Law, KIIT University were the best years of my life. I participated in several co-curricular and extra-curricular activities which made the entire experience very enjoyable. During my time at law school I was fortunate to share a very powerful relationship with some excellent professors who taught me valuable lessons of life and law. I was also a part of quite a few societies and worked extensively with some very proficient batch-mates.

    I think the most important thing about academics is keeping things simple. I focused on important classroom lectures, basic reading and spending sufficient time in understanding the fundamentals. This is one discipline which has a large space for independent thought and creativity in application which I coupled with fundamental knowledge of law to yield positive results.

     

    YOU HAVE REPRESENTED YOUR COLLEGE AT PRESTIGIOUS MOOT COURT COMPETITIONS. HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT PREPARING FOR THEM?

    Mooting has been the single most gratifying experience in law school. When I went up to argue before a judge in a moot court competition, I felt as if the world was mine. If I were to point out the happiest moment of my life, it would be when I was adjudged the ‘Best Student Advocate’ in one of these competitions.

    I would advise law students wishing to take part in these competitions to pick team members who are of a similar academic temperament and are willing to dedicate the same amount of time and energy to this activity. My team and I usually dedicated about two months to prepare for these competitions that required long hours of extensive research to find the most convincing arguments. We took a lot of guidance from our seniors on specific points of research, materials to be referred to, structuring of arguments and drafting memorials. In addition, we took several mock trials before the competitions, which gave us a rough idea of what to expect in real time. I would like to mention the noteworthy contribution of Anubhab Sarkar, Founding Partner, Triumvir Law, a friend and senior from law school towards developing and training our teams before such competitions. Preparing for these competitions tend to get very stressful and mentally challenging. However, I must say it is worth every sacrifice you make.

     

    HOW SIGNIFICANT IS MOOTING FOR LAW STUDENTS? WHAT ARE THE EPITHETS OF A SUCCESSFUL MOOTER?

    The legal profession demands excellent interactive skills and one of the activities in law school that develops this skill is mooting. Mooting not only hones one’s advocacy skills, but also facilitates overcoming stage fear, builds self-confidence and develops public speaking and interpersonal skills.

    Mooting builds one’s research and drafting skills as well. Young law students often make the mistake of associating mooting with a career in litigation. Litigator, or not, drafting and research are skills required for every career in law and mooting only enhances your skills as a lawyer.

    Mooting helps you gauge the temperament of the various judges and accordingly frame your style of argument. If one is looking at a career in litigation, mooting gives a first-hand experience of the real world. For transactional lawyers, it helps in negotiation, drafting and research. I would strongly advise law students to take an active interest in mooting.

    I don’t know if I’m qualified enough to answer your question on what it takes to be a successful mooter, but since you’ve asked I’ll make an attempt. I think to be successful in anything; the first requirement is desire and drive. A capable mooter would need to have the fundamentals of law crystal clear and have reasonably good analytical skills. There is no substitute to hard work, long hours of research and repeated mock oral rounds (for counsels). For arguing counsels, I’d urge them to get emotionally connected with the moot problem and present submissions as they would for their clients in a real court of law. As long as one is passionate about mooting and does not give up, success will follow.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR INTERNSHIPS. WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS FOR LAW STUDENTS TO BAG INTERNSHIPS AT BIG LAW FIRMS AND COMPANIES?

    I have had a varied internship experience ranging from internships with advocates, litigation firms, companies to corporate law firms. My basic objective was to give every field a chance before deciding on my career. While interning, I enjoyed my litigation experiences and the art of practicing in a court of law always intrigued me. However, being a first generation lawyer, not having any connections or references and a considerable financial concern, I soon realised Corporate Law would be a more stable career option. I have had good and bad internship experiences at corporate firms as the work environment and culture at some of these top tier law firms can often get very challenging.

    If we were to talk about internship applications, I have no reservations in admitting that securing an internship in Indian law firms is a difficult task. A lot of emphasis is laid on factors such as ‘institution name’, ‘references and contacts’, etc. My internship applications were mostly rejected or ignored by most of the top tier firms. I used to go and intern wherever I managed to get a reply or a confirmation from, through applications or by connecting with some useful resource.

    However, from the little success that I’ve had in getting through to a few places, I would advise readers to always set objectives on the basis of the firm they have chosen and tailor-make the CV and covering letter accordingly. It is not advisable to send the same generic piece everywhere. A tailor made CV and covering letter shows that you have made the effort and you sincerely want to be considered for an opportunity to work in that firm.

    YOU HAVE BEEN A TOPPER DURING YOUR COLLEGE DAYS. WHAT ARE THE TIPS AND STRATEGIES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH OUR READERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY LAW STUDENTS?

    I wasn’t the epitome of sincerity when it came to academics. In law school we did a lot of group study, which was particularly helpful. I was lucky to have good friends who helped me out with material that was important from an examination point of view.

    My emphasis, as already mentioned was on keeping things simple. I spent my time understanding basic concepts and developing my fundamentals of law. I would urge students to centre their reading on texts and reference materials instead of ‘class notes’. Analysis and originality should be the priority as this discipline encourages independent thought.

     

    HOW DID YOU CHOOSE CORPORATE LAW AS YOUR SPECIALISATION? WHAT COURSES WOULD YOU SUGGEST TO YOUNG LAW STUDENTS LOOKING TO SPECIALISE IN CORPORATE LAW?

    To be brutally honest, Corporate Law was more of a convenience than a choice. Belonging to a family with no legal background or connections in the legal fraternity, Corporate Law provided me the stepping stone to a successful career in law. My seniors and professors from college were instrumental in steering me towards a career in Corporate Law. I received encouragement and direction from a close friend and confidant from law school, Debottam Chattopadhyay, Associate, Phoenix Legal, when it came to career choices.

    Looking at the Indian market, courses on Competition Law, Capital Markets and Finance would give students ground level knowledge of the legal structure. From a global perspective, courses which give an insight on projects, energy and infrastructure related laws would hold students in good stead. I would advise students to make well informed choices based on their area of interest. The first and foremost aspect which a student should take care of is deciding an area of interest. Once that step is complete, it becomes easier to work towards making a career out of that interest area.

     

    WHY DID YOU CHOOSE DFDL?

    The decision to choose DFDL was based on a lot of factors. I was particularly impressed with their scope of work and the projects I would be dealing with upon employment, which I learned of during my interview process. My conversations with the firm’s hierarchy was very influential in the decision-making process.

    The aim was always to be bigger, better and to reach out globally. DFDL offered me exposure and experience where I would get to meet and work with ‘magic circle law firms’ and stalwart corporate lawyers from across various jurisdictions. The opportunity at DFDL seemed adventurous, challenging and had novelty. Hence, here I am at DFDL, glad at having taken the leap.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR RECRUITMENT AT DFDL? HOW WAS THE INTERVIEW ? HOW DID YOU PREPARE FOR THE SAME?

    My recruitment at DFDL was routed through the Placement Co-ordination Committee of my law school. I had sent in my resume and received a reply from the firm wherein they set up my interview with the Regional HR Officer. Thereafter, there were five rounds of interview with partners and senior lawyers across the firm’s hierarchy from various offices of the firm via video-conference. Interviews were built around conversations where the candidate’s adaptability to the firm’s culture and work ethos were tested. The scope of work and the projects were explained and general tests on awareness was conducted. There were two technical rounds where there were related questions on work experience and fundamental concepts of law. The areas of law included commercial law subjects such as contract law, property law (including registration and stamp duty), company law and procedural law.

    I prepared for the interview by reviewing and revising my CV in great detail which I recommend all readers do before an interview. The rest of the preparatory process was pretty straightforward. I brushed up on my basic legal principles and concepts of commercial law.

     

     

    WHAT IS YOUR FIELD OF PRACTICE AT DFDL? HOW IS THE WORK CULTURE AT DFDL?

    I work extensively in the field of international investment, banking and finance, energy, mining and infrastructure, real estate and corporate advisory. Work includes client advisory and transactions where I advise clients on international investment strategies from a legal perspective. Transactions include preparation of diligence reports and financing documents etc.

    The work environment at DFDL is excellent. The culture promotes learning and nurturing of skills necessary for a corporate lawyer. DFDL is a member of both the American Chamber of Commerce and the European Chamber of Commerce and promotes interaction and networking at various events, which are a great opportunity, for me to meet and interact with lawyers and other driven professionals from various fields. The balance of work-life is commendable and the hours are not remotely as stressful as Indian firms.

     

    WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIAN LAWYERS IN SOUTH EAST ASIA?

    South East Asia has a booming market and is developing in leaps and bounds. Most South East Asian countries have offices of international law firms (including magic circle law firms) in operation. I wouldn’t be able to give you statistics but at present there are a sufficient number of Indians working in prestigious law firms across South East Asia. DFDL also has a few Indians working across its offices in South East Asia including an Indian desk at Bangkok. In a nutshell, there are opportunities in top-notch law firms in South East Asia for Indians having the necessary skillset and desire to work across global boundaries.

     

    PLEASE TELL US IN DETAIL ABOUT YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AT DFDL?

    My roles and responsibilities at DFDL require me to report to and take instructions from the Partners, Managing Director, and the Head of the Practice Groups of DFDL. I am supposed to provide legal advice on behalf of DFDL to clients and undertake activities which include the drafting of contracts, letters of advice, legal opinions, and other legal instruments. Additionally, I need to peer review the work of other advisers and provide constructive feedback as necessary, draft and deliver fee proposals and review and revise invoices. I am also required to contribute actively in DFDL’s business development efforts, including government relations activities with various chambers of commerce, business clubs and participate in knowledge management, professional development and administrative activities as requested.

     

    WHAT SHOULD A CV OF A LAW STUDENT AIMING TO JOIN AN INTERNATIONAL LAW FIRM LOOK LIKE?

    Regardless of where you’re applying, I think a CV should be balanced. What I mean by a balanced CV is one, which has good grades, moot court experiences, publications (one area where I had practically nothing to show) relevant internship experiences (quality over quantity) and a good set of extra-curricular activities. There is no priority of importance and it varies from firm to firm on what their qualifying criterion is. However, I would suggest student give sufficient importance to all areas, which I have mentioned.

    Co-curricular and extra-curricular should not be ignored, as interviewers often tend to prefer candidates with a varied set of talents and experiences. A question in one of the interviews asked me about what I understand about ‘teamwork’. I was happy to elaborate on my experiences in chamber orchestra where the entire harmonic is created by collective wisdom. The interviewer was particularly impressed with my answer. I would advise readers to engage in a variety of experiences and build up a CV accordingly. International firms do tend to look at your grades and having a good grade would separate you from the rest of the candidates. A CV and covering letter should also be tailor made to fit the requirements of the firm you’re applying to and the specific practice area should be clearly outlined. International firms focus a lot on your purpose of work and your professional objective. I believe having a balanced CV helps you reach the stage of interview. Your performance in the interview is the deal breaker.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS?

    I would start off by quoting one of the most inspirational figures in my life, “You cannot lead by following.”- Sir Alex Ferguson.

    Lead from the front and when you’ve reached there, reach out and help the people who need it most. Promote and practice equality. Respect your elders, live with humility, protect the environment and encourage humanity.

    Make your parents proud and take care of them. As long as they’re happy, you don’t need much more from life. Wherever I am today, professionally and otherwise is because of the most loving, caring and supportive parents who gave me a bit more than everything I ever wanted.

    Thank you for having me here for the interview!

  • Shruti Tripathi, Assistant Public Prosecutor, CBI, on preparing for the exam and securing rank 2 in JRF exam

    Shruti Tripathi, Assistant Public Prosecutor, CBI, on preparing for the exam and securing rank 2 in JRF exam

    Shruti Tripathi graduated from ILS Law College, Pune in 2016. Right after graduation, she did her Masters in criminology from Banaras Hindu University.  She also secured rank 2 in JRF/ NET exam conducted by UGC. She then went on to pursue UPSC(CBI(APP)). She shares her valuable insights with our readers on her experience along with advice on how to crack the exam.

    In this interview, she talks about:

    • Her reasons for choosing law.
    • Her strategy for the preparation of the UPSC(CBI(APP)).
    • Advice to prospective law students aiming to make a career in UPSC(CBI(APP)).

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    I thought I didn’t need introductions anymore. Anyway, jokes aside, I would simply describe myself as a stoic. As a day-dreamer and a sloth, I am quintessentially an ambitious soul trapped in a lazy body. My mind is a battleground, wherein there are more losses than wins. Proving people wrong at every step is an utterly satisfying feeling and continuing to do so is pretty much what sums up my existence right now.  I was supposed to keep it short, so moving on now.

     

    HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO PURSUE LAW?

    Looking at the hindsight I guess it was destiny, really. I was a Science group district topper from Varanasi. The entire North Indian neighborhood expected me to pursue engineering but, I was always drawn towards the enigma that my father’s chamber had to offer.(Yes! He was the Chairman, UP Bar Council, that time). And if I were allowed a bit of dramatics, Law was running down my family’s blood vessels and that’s how I happened to Law & ILS Law College, Pune happened to me. Don’t judge me for my bad theatrics, I am still learning.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PREPARATION FOR JRF EXAM IN WHICH YOU SECURED RANK 2? WHEN DID YOU START PREPARING FOR UPSC(CBI(APP))?

    Honestly, I wasn’t really aware all these exams ever existed. Like every other legal aficionado, I had my eyes set at cracking my state judicial exams. I still have that dream, though. Nevertheless, like every other government sector exams which test the threshold of one’s patience, judiciary vacancy never came after 2016. So, the waiting period opened up the Pandora’s Box for me and I realised that there was more to law than just judiciary and litigation. Therefore, I started filling all the forms that I could manage and that’s how I ran into UPSC via CBI(APP)

    Since I had done my Masters in criminology from Banaras Hindu University, I was eligible for examinations for PHD and Assistant Professor, NET/JRF exams formerly conducted by UGC. The syllabus was similar to the judicial service examinations with a little modification. I qualified for Centre sponsored fellowship program(JRF) that awards scholarship up to 30k per month to the research scholars. So, I joined as a research scholar in BHU, shortly after being awarded JRF & started hogging on to that money: the money I never knew even existed.

     

    HOW DID YOU START PREPARING FOR THE EXAMS? DO YOU THINK COACHING IS A PREREQUISITE TO CRACK THIS OR ANY EXAM?

    Preparation for any competitive exams is a tough mistress and is notorious for going haywire, if executed without a pattern. While there isn’t any yardstick to articulate whether or not an individual will need a coaching, the secret recipe is the right form of guidance & a continuous thrust in the appropriate direction, to keep one motivated throughout the entire preparation period(As it gets really frustrating after a point of time).

    Personally, I joined an institution, Varanasi Law Academy, managed by Praveen Dubey sir. Honestly, the kind of command he has over all the subjects including the ready-to-use dossier on the ever increasing career alternatives in legal field is quite enthralling.

    WHAT WAS THE ROUTINE YOU FOLLOWED EVERYDAY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF YOUR PREPARATION?

    It was just get up, eat, sleep, and repeat. Adjusting study routine somewhere in between the important endeavours was the arduous task. Sincerely, preparation is all about wasting time and then end up feeling guilty about it. No matter how much you study, there’s always this humongous section of the day, where you didn’t. Each day the fight was to atone for that lost stretch.

    On an average Day, I stole more time from the first half of the day for tough concept based studies & learning gig, while latter part of the day was devoted to making notes and solving question papers.

     

    WHAT WAS YOUR STUDY PATTERN? PLEASE MENTION SOME OF THE BOOKS YOU REFERRED TO AND HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT PREPARING FOR EACH STAGE OF THE EXAM?

    It might sound preachy, but success indeed knows no shortcuts. Neither notes, nor any coaching materials are going to help you unless you go back and do it conventional way, that is, the Textbooks. Any book which resonates with your style & understanding level is a good book.

    I referred Takwani for Administrative law and CPC, Pillai for IPC, Avtar Singh for evidence and contract law, H.O. Agrawal for international Law & so on and so forth. I prepared my own notes, conducive for my slow processing brain, and would suggest everyone to do that, for law at least.

     

    WHAT DID YOU DO TO KEEP YOURSELF MOTIVATED ALL THE TIME DURING THE COURSE OF PREPARATION?

    As I said the primary Fillip to my Preparation module was My Teacher, My guide, My mentor, Praveen Sir. Another pillar to my vital mental sanity was & is my Mother, Anita Tripathi. I am just her conceptualised handiwork and owe everything I have, to her endurance and unwavering willpower.

    For the other times where my mind gave up on me, I tried indulging myself in my poor musical taste and gulping down whatever I got. Having a cup of coffee by the window on a rainy day with my favourite author was therapeutic enough to get me through worst of days.

     

    COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE SOME TIPS TO THOSE ASPIRANTS WHO ARE PREPARING FOR THIS EXAM? HOW SHOULD THEY GO ABOUT PREPARING DIFFERENT SUBJECTS LIKE GENERAL AWARENESS, OPTIONAL PAPER OF LAW?

    There are no shorthand tips when it comes to exams like these. All I can say is having a robust dominance over the bare acts of all the subjects will give an assured and unqualified edge to the candidate over others. For remembering bare acts, I suggest all the novices to start by splitting the subjects into batches and then having it off pat by the correlation method. That would make it easier and less tiresome.

    General awareness, well, I am sorry for the cliffhanger there, but that’s still a sixty-four dollar question for me too. You got to study all your history, geography and economy and current affairs and yet have to pray to be fortunate enough to be able to touch those minimum qualifying marks. At least that’s how it was for me.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT HOW DID YOUR INTERVIEW? HOW SHOULD A LAW STUDENT APPROACH THE INTERVIEW FOR THESE EXAMS?

    Haha! I totally savaged my own interview. I still remember passively crying over how bad I was in that room. One experience that I took back home that day was, that no one can prepare you for interview. Inside that space, in front of the panel, you forget that you were told not to be nervous, or to sit straight or not to fidget with hands & you are back to being yourself. And there’s where the key to cracking any interview is, my friends, be you.

    Cliché as it may sound, but that’s what helped me. So, prepare for that panel since day one of your preparation. Act like you have been shortlisted & have to appear before a panel the day after so that the day you enter that room, which you definitely will, you are just yourself; the sheer perfection.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOU MESSAGE TO THE LAW STUDENTS WHO WANT TO PURSUE THEIR CARRIER IN THE FIELD OF LAW?

    Notwithstanding the fact that I don’t see myself as someone who could remotely give a message of great or any consequence for that matter, I’d surely like to write off my experience for future references. I’d suggest don’t be prejudiced against or oriented towards a particular career option. There are plethoras of option we aren’t conscious about. Also, don’t judge your success on the parameters of others, that’s a trouble-free road to depression & frustration; tread on your own risks. Be vigilant; be assiduous while simultaneously being indolent and blithe.

    Here’s me signing off without further ado. Hope you find something helpful or entertaining, to the least, in the excerpt.

     

  • Satvik Varma, Litigation Counsel, on establishing Independent practice, studying LLM from Harvard Law School, and authoring a book

    Satvik Varma, Litigation Counsel, on establishing Independent practice, studying LLM from Harvard Law School, and authoring a book

    Satvik Varma is a Litigation Counsel and Corporate Attorney. Prior to setting up his private practice, Satvik was a partner at India’s premier law firm, (undivided) Amarchand Mangaldas and also served as the Vice-President and Counsel in the corporate law group at Lehman Brothers (2003-2005) headquarter in New York. Satvik started his career as a litigator (1998-2001) at the Supreme Court of India and the High Court of Delhi. While practicing in Courts, Satvik had the opportunity to participate in and argue various constitutional laws, insurance and family law related cases.

    Satvik holds a Bachelor of Arts (with Honours) in History and a Bachelor in Law (LL.B.) from the University of Delhi. He earned a Master of Law (LL.M.) from Harvard Law School, where he was a part of the South Asian Lawyers Association. He is dual qualified and licensed to practice in both India (1998) and the State of New York (2003).

    Satvik is a frequent speaker at various panels, seminars and workshops and is often featured on television debates for his views on legal matters. He writes regularly on corporate governance, legislative matters, economic and trade policy and current legal affairs for most of India’s leading business newspapers, magazines, and journals.

    In November 2017, Satvik released an anthology of his essay’s titled “Yes, I’m Opinionated” – “Musings of a Lawyer on Governance, Law and Policy” published by Lexis Nexis. The book has received advance praise from sitting judges of the Supreme Court of India and the Delhi High Court and leading Senior Counsel in India. 

    Satvik has a keen interest in global and regional affairs and serves on the advisory board of the Asia Society India Centre, a United States not-for-profit. He has been selected from amongst many as an Asia 21 Young Leader, where he actively engages with others from the Asia-Pacific to discuss issues of common interest to the region. He is also a member of the Young Indians, an initiative operating under the aegis of the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), to help motivate the youth to shape the economic and social agenda of India. Recently, he was selected from a very large and diverse group of candidates as an Aspen India Leadership Fellow and is cohort of the Aspen Global Leadership Network.

    In this interview we speak to him about:

    • Challenges of setting up his independent firm
    • Experience of studying at Harvard Law School
    • Importance of Internship
    • Being a prolific writer and authoring several articles and now a book
    • Maintaining a work life balance

     

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? PLEASE SHARE YOUR ACADEMIC AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND

    I am a litigation counsel and corporate attorney based in New Delhi. My practice focusses mainly on corporate commercial litigations, shareholder and company disputes, breach of contract and specific performance disputes, competition law and telecom/satellite law related litigation and domestic and international arbitrations.

    I also regularly contribute to most leading Indian newspapers on topics related to law. Recently, I released a book- “Yes, I’m Opinionated” – Musings of a lawyer on Governance, Law & Policy. I am addicted to current affairs and a keen observer of politics.

    I graduated from Campus Law Centre, Delhi University in 1998 and immediately joined the chambers of Mr. Kailash Vasdev (currently Senior Advocate). In fact, I had been associated with Mr. Vasdev’s chambers for some time and had worked there through most of my LL.B. days. While at Mr. Vasdev’s chambers, I would often share notes with my brother who was working in the financial sector in London and would hear about M&A and Joint Ventures and Securities, all of which were topics I knew nothing about. So in 2001, I decided to make the transition from Litigation to Corporate law and joined, for a very brief period, Dua Associates in their Corporate Transactions/M&A team. Prior to joining Dua, I had already applied for an LL.M. overseas and went on to pursue my Master in Laws at Harvard Law School, graduating as the Class of 2002 or what was then termed as the 9/11 Class. This was because in the “normal” preceding years, of the 150 students that graduate HLS, well over a 100 students would get a job upon graduating. But in our batch only around 8 students got placements, in what was termed as the “foreign lawyers program”, for a brief stint in the States followed by them returning to their home country to work with the same firm. Regardless of not having secured employment I decided to write the New York State Bar Exam which, admittedly, was one of the most gruelling experiences of my life. Like most students, one enrolled for the BARBRI classes, which lasted through the day and then there was homework to be completed before the next day. On an average, preparing for the Bar was a 16-18 hour day and one was often reminded of the low pass percentage for first time takers. I was fortunate and blessed to have passed the Bar in the first attempt, but still didn’t have a job. In fact, in 2002, there were very few entry level positions available in New York and I didn’t even manage to secure a single interview in over seven months. I was adamant to work and live in New York and hence I persisted. I still remember a particular time when I was called to an interview and spent the day with the recruiter distributing flyers for an attorney who was contesting for a Selectman’s post (equivalent to municipal councillor) and those were the first $40 I earned in America. Eventually, I got lucky when the legal head of TCS, who I had been introduced to by a dear friend and had kept in touch with through the Indo-American Lawyers Association, referred me for a temporary lawyers position at the investment bank of Lehman Brothers that had just signed up an outsourcing agreement with TCS and Wipro. Like most Wall Street positions, I went through five rounds of interviews (the first I had had since graduating HLS seven months prior) and was eventually hired as a temporary lawyer for an eight week assignment. I was lucky that five weeks into my assignment, I was confirmed in the position and given the title of Vice-President Corporate Law at Lehman Brothers. Asides from the title, I was delighted to have a huge office on Park Avenue in New York and went on to work for Lehman for a few years before eventually returning to India.

    Upon my return, my former partner from Dua Associates had just moved to Amarchand Mangaldas (undivided) and proposed I join his team. I was slightly undecided at what to do as it was my initial desire to start my own litigation practice but eventually decided to join Amarchand as a Senior Associate in the M&A & Private Equity team. I eventually rose from amongst the ranks at Amarchand and was announced as Partner in 2010, at which time I decided to start my own private litigation practice. Many people thought I was foolish to be giving up such a lucrative position and the comfort of being under the umbrella of India’s premier law firm. But I was exhilarated with my decision to return to litigation practice and being back in Courts was something that excited me.

    Since 2010, I have been developing my practice as an arguing counsel in Courts and Tribunals all across India focussing primarily on corporate- commercial disputes, and I have to say that I have loved each and every day since setting up my own law chambers.

     

    HAVE YOU ALWAYS BEEN INCLINED TO A CAREER IN LAW? ARE YOU A FIRST GENERATION LAWYER?

    I am actually a fourth generation lawyer with many in the legal profession both from my mother’s and father’s side of the family. In fact, my paternal grandfather was amongst the first lawyers from Bihar to have relocated to the Supreme Court and was, what was then called, an “agent” of the Supreme Court of India. He was one of the 23 agents present at the inauguration of the Supreme Court of India on 28.01.1950. But there was never any pressure on me to pursue a career in law especially since my older brothers first degree is in law, but he’s always worked in the investment banking and finance sector. Consequently, while my interest to pursue law has been influenced by my family background, the real inclination stems from my compelling desire to work amongst people, to help “resolve” matters and to play a role in helping shape policy and the legal landscape in India. Now, after being admitted for almost 21 years I can say without a doubt that practising law is not just my profession, it’s something I’m extremely passionate about, it excites me and its something I greatly enjoy doing.

     

    TELL US A BIT ABOUT YOUR TIME STUDYING LAW AS AN UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF DELHI

     Having earned an Honours degree at Hindu College I was very familiar with North Campus and, in many ways, Campus Law Centre was an extension of that joyful experience of being at Delhi University. We had some excellent professors at CLC but really the emphasis was on the discussions outside classrooms and the interaction amongst the students. During my time pursuing an LL.B. there was no requirement for internships, however I had started attending Mr. Vasdev’s chambers from my second year and was, hence, able to comprehend the practical application of what was being taught at Law Faculty.

     

    WHAT WERE YOU AREAS OF INTEREST DURING YOUR LEGAL EDUCATION? HOW DID YOU DECIDE THE FIELD OF LAW THAT YOU WANTED TO SPECIALISE IN CAREER-WISE?

     The late 1990’s were when the period of liberalisation really accelerated and one was seeing more and more international businesses set-up in India. One was were constantly reading about trade and investment policy developing in the country. As a consequence, at Law Faculty, I was drawn towards Law of Contracts, Law of Torts, Constitutional Law and Criminal Law. My initial many years were spent primarily at the Supreme Court of India and hence my interest in Constitutional Law grew. But ultimately, given my professional experience of having worked both as a litigator and a corporate lawyer, I developed a great interest for corporate-commercial laws. I find this area of law challenging, exciting and forever developing, remoulding itself to the changing economic scenario in the world. It’s also the field where I am able to make meaningful contributions having worked on both ends of the spectrum.

     

    INTERNSHIPS PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH THEIR FIRST EXPOSURE TO THE PRACTICAL ASPECTS OF THE LEGAL PROFESSION. COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE INTERNSHIPS YOU TOOK UP, AND WHAT YOU LEARNT FROM THOSE EXPERIENCES?

     The curriculum at Law Faculty did not prescribe mandatory internship, hence one took up internships voluntarily. I had started working from my second year at Law Faculty, i.e. 1996, and one of my greatest takeaways from working at a chambers was the need for lawyers to have an attention for detail. In 1998, the Bar Council introduced the compulsory apprenticeship program for law graduates, which eventually got overturned. During that period I had the chance to hear senior members of the Bar present to the Constitution Bench and was fascinated by the practical examples which lawyers presented to juxtapose the law with its application. It has been my attempt to carry forward and apply both of these early experiences in everything I do.

     

    LAW GRADUATES ARE FACED WITH HAVING TO CHOOSE FROM SEVERAL CAREER OPTIONS AND THE CHOICE OF STUDYING FURTHER. WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE STUDENTS IN AVOIDING A DECISION PARALYSIS?

     Many of the choices available to law graduates today didn’t exist 20 years ago, but it’s absolutely fascinating to see these young lawyers opt for different career paths, where their law degree can be used. For example, I recently met a lawyer with just a few years of experience who had joined a think-tank to work on policy papers. This was not an option when I had graduated, but it’s a great development and also a testament of how the core skills acquired while studying law are transferable skills and can be utilised across a variety of professions.

    Law graduates need to be patient, and not jump the gun to hastily back-pedal from any decision they may have taken if they don’t seem immediate results. The legal profession is more like a cricket test match, with two innings, and not a T20 game where one need to score on every ball. Take a decision and stick by it because too many changes reflect badly on your resume.

     

    PLEASE SHARE WITH US YOUR LLM EXPERIENCE AT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL. HOW WOULD YOU SAY YOUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE AS AN ADVOCATE AIDED YOU IN YOUR MASTER’S DEGREE?

     My experience at Harvard and then working on Wall Street has in many ways shaped my professional discipline, my work ethic and lawyering skills. Most good law schools today require at least two to three years of work experience before they will even consider your application and I believe that prior work experience in many ways will prepare you for a fairly rigorous and intensive 1 year Master’s program.

    Personally, I strongly urge all young lawyers to pursue an LL.M. and explore ways of studying overseas. Aside from the international exposure, and learning from experiences of those from across the world which adds to one’s overall personality development, the LL.M. program also exposes one to many areas of the law that one doesn’t study in India. For example at Harvard I took a course called Analytical Methods for Lawyers which included Game Theory, Statistics, Accounting and Decision Analysis in Contracting matters which I found fascinating. I also studied other topics I had no exposure to in India like Entertainment and Media law, Alternative Dispute Resolution methods and got an opportunity to study Negotiations from the Gurus of Negotiation Theory – William Ury, Roger Fisher, Bob Mnookin etc.

     

    WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU FACED STUDYING AT ONE OF THE PREMIER UNIVERSITIES FOR LAW IN THE WORLD? HOW DID YOU KEEP UP WITH HARVARD’S ACADEMIC RIGOUR?

    While the academic schedule at Harvard, and for that matter in most LL.M. Programs, is quite intense, it’s also a lot of fun and at the end. What is paramount is what one wants to take away from the program. At Harvard for example, some of the greatest discussions took place outside of the classroom; at student events or informal discussions. As a place of learning Harvard encourages that, so one doesn’t really face any “challenges” in such a structured program. The program allows one to pursue other interests and activities across all Harvard campuses and that is a good way to balance the academic schedule along with the non-academic activities on campus.

    I would also like to share that while I was at Harvard Law School, my older brother was at Harvard Business School and if I remember correctly, we are the third or fourth set of brothers to have graduated Harvard University on the same day, at the same time but at different ceremonies. So on graduation days my mother was at my ceremony and my father attended my brother’s ceremony.

    HOW DID YOU COME TO TAKE UP A POSITION WITH LEHMAN BROTHERS? WHAT ARE THE MAIN TAKEAWAYS FOR YOU FROM THIS EXPERIENCE?

    As I mentioned above, my introduction to Lehman Brothers was made by the General Counsel of TCS Americas. It was the only interview I got after graduating from Harvard and I started as a temporary worker and was made Vice-President Corporate Law in five weeks of working with them. In this role, I was supporting the global procurements team on all their contracts and handled everything from negotiating the bank’s Bloomberg Data contract to the acquisition of Private Jets that were undertaken. I also worked very closely with the Benefits team and worked on re-negotiating the global health benefits and insurance program for 14,000 employees. My greatest take-away from working at Lehman was how to understand the business and commercial interest of your client, in this case the bank itself, and balance those interests with the law to make sure the deal goes through. I was also able to put to immediate use the negotiation skills I had acquired while at Harvard and see them bear results. That is something that has held me in great stead in all my client dealings.

     

    WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO JOIN AMARCHAND MANGALDAS? COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY TO BECOMING A PARTNER AT ONE OF INDIA’S LEADING LAW FIRMS?

    Upon my return to India, my former partner from Dua Associates had joined Amarchand Mangaldas (undivided) and while I was keen to start my private practice, he asked me to join and it was an offer I found very tough to refuse. In retrospection I am thrilled to have accepted that offer as I learnt immensely from working at India’s premier law firm. Amarchand had a great brand value and I remember when I shared with my Harvard colleagues that I had joined Amarchand, almost everyone had heard of it in their home country. During the time at Amarchand, it was in the process of charting out its course for further growth and I really enjoyed being a part of the journey which eventually led to my selection as a Partner at the firm. This was an especially happy moment for me as I was one of the 19 Partners at the Delhi office. It would be my strong recommendation to junior lawyers to, at some stage, work at a large law firm to understand the mechanics of an Indian law firm and only post that experience decide their long term career goals.

     

    WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU ARE FACED WITH IN YOUR INDEPENDENT PRACTICE?

    Independent practice is an all in one process – you’re the originator of the work, the executor, the teacher and mentor, the researcher and sometimes also the office manager! But it’s a lot of fun and while I recognise that independent practice may not be for everyone, I would not trade independent practice for anything else. One of the most difficult things for me while returning to litigation and independent/private practice was to try to re-establish my brand, which one had to do from scratch. Amongst the best things about private practice is the freedom to do all kinds of different things and work across various practice areas, which one is not able to do while in the structured confines of a law firm. As a result, one is constantly evolving and learning something new every day which makes independent practice a lot less monotonous or repetitive.

     

    GIVEN THE DYNAMIC NATURE OF THE FIELD YOU PRACTICE IN, HOW DO YOU KEEP YOURSELF UPDATED ABOUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAW?

     One of the best ways to stay updated about the latest developments in the law is through leading law journals and the various other online law portals which come up with an analysis and bring to one’s attention the developments in the law across the country. Given that I write almost every week and invariably choose topics outside of my area of work, I always learn through the process and make it a point to read the latest Court decisions. Despite the latest cases being available at the press of a button, I urge all young lawyers to maintain their personal case journal and update the same regularly.

    Additionally, the entire chamber eats lunch together on Saturdays and we have a rule where one of my Juniors is expected to have read up on a case and is required to share details of that with the others. We do this in a relaxed environment not to make it overly burdensome and keep it fun, yet not lose sight that it’s a work assignment.

     

    WHAT DOES A TYPICAL WORKING DAY LOOK LIKE FOR YOU?

    Most litigators and more so those in private practice work 7 days a week. Weekends tend to be the busiest as one is catching up on drafting, vetting drafts and settling pleadings. On most days I’m in office till past 10 pm. But the advantage of private practice is that post Court hours one is the master of one’s own schedule and can plan one’s day accordingly. So on most days, I would try to get back home to be with my Son during his dinner time and also try to eat with my wife and then come back to office to work late into the night.

     

    HOW DO YOU MANAGE YOUR TIME BETWEEN YOUR PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL INTERESTS? WHAT ARE YOUR INTERESTS OUTSIDE LAW?

     I’m extremely fond of art and fashion, love food and travel and greatly enjoy listening to new-age jazz and lounge music. There is often music playing in the office. I am also fond of photography and many photos taken by me adorn by chamber walls. I also have a great interest in theatre and drama having worked for many years at India’s leading professional theatre group. So if there’re any plays in town, I make it a point to try and see them. The good part is that in private practice one is able to manage one’s own schedule and create one’s own personal- professional work life balance. I equally urge all my Juniors to definitely engage in some sporting or other activity on a daily basis.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY LAW STUDENTS AND YOUNG LAWYERS?

    Today, a law degree offers many alternative career options for law students. My parting message both to law students and young lawyers is – Choose wisely, the career path you’d like to pursue, but then follow it with dogmatic determination. Follow your dreams, chase your heart and be passionate about your work doing it with utmost honestly and all sincerity. Don’t draw comparison with your peers or classmates and don’t jump-ship just because you feel your friend is ‘doing better’ or is ahead. Once you’ve chosen a path, give it lots of time and all your energies. The practice of law, whether at a law firm or as a litigator requires one to put in a lot of hard work and long hours. One must have the mental strength and resolve to deal with 14-16 hours days. Even if they don’t produce immediate results, its like making a deposit in a bank, all those hours will eventually yield results. As a U.S. Supreme Court Judge said “The law is a jealous mistress and requires a long and constant courtship. It is not to be won by trifling favors, but by lavish homage.” But above all, , remember to have fun along the way, its not always the destination, but also the journey that matters.

  • Kunal Endait, Head Litigation & IP, Mintkart India, on career in media law, and experience as an in-house counsel

    Kunal Endait, Head Litigation & IP, Mintkart India, on career in media law, and experience as an in-house counsel

    Kunal Endait completed his graduation from ILS Law College, Pune. He then went on to pursue his LL.M from NLSIU. He is currently in-house counsel (Head Litigation & IP) at Mintkart India Pvt Ltd (formerly EBay India and a Flipkart group company). He has over ten years of professional experience and has experience of working in media and newspapers industry. He is skilled in litigation, negotiation, and transactions along with corporate advisory. He shares his experience as a lawyer, in house counsel and a writer.

    In this interview, we speak to him about:

    • Roles and responsibilities as chief manager-legal at Bennett, Coleman & co. Ltd
    • Experience as an in-house counsel at various organisations
    • Choosing a career in media law
    • Importance of writing research papers.

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    A lawyer, born and brought up in a lawyer’s family. I did my graduation in law from ILS and post-graduation from NLSIU. Law comes to me as heredity and I always knew right from the beginning that I wanted to become a lawyer as I had observed my father’s efforts, dedication, knowledge and respect he commended by his popularity as a successful advocate, which were sufficient considerations for me to decide my career path at the very threshold. Frankly, I never thought of any other conventional courses and my goal was fixed right from the beginning.

     

    PLEASE TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR COLLEGE LIFE? HOW INSTRUMENTAL HAS YOUR COLLEGE BEEN SHAPING YOUR CAREER?

    While I always wanted to opt for law, my parents had a fair expectation that I should make all endeavours to secure my candidature in premium law institutes. To my luck, I secured my seat in one of the best institutes, ILS, Pune. Let me also be candid here, coming from then under developed part of the country and that too from vernacular medium (I belong to Dhule district, Maharashtra), I was skeptical if I would be able to continue with ILS, but then I interacted with my faculty, who all guided me throughout my law curriculum and also made some of my best lifetime friends, who all have always supported me throughout my journey. I was a sport rather cricket follower and would often participate in the various intercollege/university tournaments and that also added to my confidence. Internet and other online resources were yet impact the market then, hence I could spend quality time with books and library of my college. ILS has one of the best law books collection and luckily, I was benefitted. I was not much of bookish person, but always loved reading legal texts, if not literature. I would also like to mention my professors Shri. Deshmukh, Shri. Jaybhay, Bhadbhade Madam, Bhatia madam, who are all known to be the best and they indeed added a lot to my life as their student.

     

    WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO GO FOR A MASTERS PROGRAMME?

    It was my father, who suggested that I should contemplate taking up further studies. I was looking at multiple options at that time, including civil services, foreign studies and assignments, however, I found my father’s suggestion quite convincing, though he insisted that I should make efforts to take up my masters in the premium law school. Around the same time I came across NLSIU masters program advertisement in newspaper and I applied for their entrance test. I did not have much of time to prepare for entrance exams, however, my final year of LL.B studies helped me and I got through the entrance test and that’s how I got into NLSIU. I must acknowledge contribution of my professors Prof. Viaykumar, Prof. M K Ramesh, Prof. Devidas, Prof. Ajjappa and others for their kind guidance.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR TIME AT LAWYER’S COLLECTIVE. WHAT LED YOU TO SHIFT TO AN IN-HOUSE ROLE AFTER WORKING IN LITIGATION?

    I owe Lawyer’s Collective as it taught me extensively post academic life and helped me grow as a professional. When I was about to submit my dissertation for my masters, Lawyers Collective happened. I joined them with their HIV/AIDS unit as Legal Officer and was looking into litigation matters for their clients. HIV/AIDS Unit was providing pro bono legal support to the deprived and discriminated people. This came across as the best opportunity I could have asked for. I got to handle plethora of matters involving constitutional issues, writs, criminal issues, civil and property related disputes etc. Nevertheless, the best part was to work directly with Mr. Anand Grover (Sr. Counsel), who was heading the team and the guiding force behind the strategy we would devise to contest matters for our clients then. Gradually, I started handling firm’s matters and that’s when I received extensive exposure to constitution and writ side issues. Mr. Grover is very particular and would often make us read common law judgements, because of which the team also received exposure to common law authorities. Lawyers Collective offered me an opportunity to work on the projects involving property and inheritance rights of women in Indian sub-continent. I visited Sri Lanka and Bangladesh sometimes around 2008, met lawyers, NGOs, Human rights activists etc and that added immense value to me not only as a lawyer but as human too. Working with Mr. Anand Grover as an honour. I would like to also acknowledge contribution of my then Manager, Mr. Vijay Hiremath, who also guided and supported me throughout my stint, he is a successful counsel and continues to guide me even now.

     

    YOU HAVE DIVERSE EXPERIENCE AS IN-HOUSE COUNSEL AT VARIOUS ORGANISATIONS. WHAT IS THE NATURE OF WORK OF AN IN-HOUSE COUNSEL?

    I feel in-house lawyer cannot really summarise his/her work in a short one page write up. It is always the variety of issues that the in-house counsel needs to address to on a regular basis. Mind you, unlike other sectors, in-house legal team needs to be on its toes as any issue impacting your employer’s interest would have to first run past through the legal team and therefore opinions and advises are required to be issued with real rapid pace, that too ensuring correctness in the advice.

    In my small span of in-house I have handled litigation (civil, criminal, consumer, IP, constitutional etc.), contracts, corporate advisory, notices (private, law enforcement), HR related issues, business transfers along with variety other.

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR WORD OF ADVICE TO STUDENTS INTERESTED IN MEDIA LAW?

    Being a media lawyer is a responsibility, not only towards your organisation but society at large. Your advice would have bearing on your reader/viewer’s right to know, a fundamental right that enables every individual to have access of every affair that is taking place around him/her in the society and country. Importantly, working into media sector is almost 24/7 assignment and you must always act proactively. Media law is a key sector and those who wish to choose this as their career must bear in their mind that the constitution of India is extremely instrumental in this field along with media and broadcast, press laws. I have enjoyed my time with multiple media entities and I am extremely proud of that. As an in-house, one should indeed explore media opportunity, I feel.

     

    AS CHIEF MANAGER-LEGAL AT BENNETT, COLEMAN & CO. LTD WHAT WERE YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES?

    I was a team member of their litigation portfolio for the western region of India. Simultaneously was responsible for corporate advisory, property related issues, checking legal compliance, engagement with law enforcement agencies, variety of contracts and the most importantly working with Mr. Amit Rai directly under his guidance. I would like to mention Mr. Rai especially as he is my Guru, who has taught me extensively on the media laws, apart from being a great professional, he’s extremely caring boss and you have a lot to learn from him, particularly his leadership skills and his in-depth hold on law subjects and related issues. It was a fulfilling experience working under Mr. Rai’s leadership at Bennett, Coleman & Co. Ltd.

     

    IF ANY STUDENT WISHES TO INTERN WITH BENNETT, COLEMAN & co. Ltd WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR APPLICATION?

    Bennett, Coleman & Co. Ltd has its own legal department and the students may approach the team through HR department, who will guide them in a better manner.

     

    YOU HAVE RECENTLY MOVED TO MINTKART INDIA PVT LTD (FORMERLY EBAY INDIA AND A FLIPKART GROUP COMPANY) AS IN-HOUSE COUNSEL (HEAD LITIGATION & IP). WHAT FACTORS INFLUENCED YOU TO MOVE TO EBAY?

    I think e-commerce is a fast paced sector and would present multiple legal challenges, opportunities for learning as well value addition for a lawyer. It is a privilege to be associated with the market leader, Flipkart, particularly when I will have an opportunity to explore global scenarios through the platform. It is also interesting to work closely with the team in the wake of recent takeover of Flipkart by Walmart.

     

    HOW CAN A LAW STUDENT APPLY FOR INTERNSHIP AT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OF MINTKART INDIA?

    I would advise students to get in touch with HR team of the company and they will guide you through the process.

     

    YOU HAVE AUTHORED NUMEROUS RESEARCH PAPERS. WHAT SHOULD BE THE APPROACH OF A STUDENT WHILE TAKING UP THE TASK OF AUTHORING A RESEARCH PAPER. WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE TO LAW STUDENTS TO IMPROVE THEIR LEGAL WRITING SKILLS?

    I firmly believe, the research papers/thesis cannot be carried out based on hear say or for that matter using internet resources. Most of my research papers were based on empirical research and experiences. For instance, I had authored a research paper on the plight of refugees and legal remedies for them, and for the said project, I had spent 3 days in a refugee camp and interacted closely with the victims and aggrieved people. Getting firsthand knowledge is extremely crucial and one must not rely solely on the third party data. I had implemented similar methodology during my visits to Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

     

    YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF BOTH LITIGATION AS WELL AS IN-HOUSE ROLES. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN BOTH FIELDS. WHAT FACTORS SHOULD A YOUNG LAWYER/LAW STUDENT KEEP IN MIND BEFORE DECIDING WHICH FIELD TO CHOOSE?

    I feel there isn’t much difference, its just that the terminologies very from external clients to internal clients/stakeholders. While I have worked as a practicing counsel as well, in-house has little difference that you must have all round industry knowledge and that yours advises require should be self-sufficient. By that I mean to say that in-house counsel’s advice should be extremely helpful for your external counsels that they merely have to argue the matter based on the in-house advice. Both complement each other.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY LAW STUDENTS AND YOUNG LAWYERS?

    Go for it. Law is a sector, which does not only offer you monitory growth, but will also offer you feeling of adding values to society at large as the core purpose of legal system in our country has this basis. Time is changing, law is no longer what it was, we have ample opportunities, please join the league.

     

     

     

     

     

  • Subhayu Chakraborty, Strategy and M&A Investment, Naspers Ltd on transactional law and pursuing Masters from Frankfurt School of Finance and Management

    Subhayu Chakraborty, Strategy and M&A Investment, Naspers Ltd on transactional law and pursuing Masters from Frankfurt School of Finance and Management

    Subhayu Chakraborty, graduated in Law from WBNUJS in the year 2012. Subjects like IPR, Economics, Economics and Law, Corporate Law, Taxation and Corporate Finance/Governance and Law interested him and he has penned down a few articles – one published by the prestigious International Astronautical Federation (IAF) in 2010. Subhayu went on to pursue his Master’s degree in Finance, Frankfurt School of Finance & Management, Germany.

    He landed his first job at Sand Hill Counsel through LinkedIn which was initially an internship turned into a PPO. According to Subhayu, “Internships should be taken as a learning ground and for building lasting connections.” Currently, as an investment banking analyst he is responsible for deal origination and industry wide/company research.

    In this interview, he talks to us about:

    • Converting internships to PPO
    • Importance of higher education
    • Masters in Finance from Frankfurt School of Finance & Management, Germany
    • Roles and responsibilities of an investment banking analyst

     

    HOW WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS? DO YOU COME FROM A FAMILY OF LAWYERS? CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR CHILDHOOD?

    • I am an investment banker, having had a prior experience in VC transactions. I am an avid reader, love to travel, am passionate about city photography, abstract art, F1 and I play chess. Post law, I worked a couple of years; before pursuing MoF (Master of Finance), and thereafter I joined a mid-market investment bank – 7i Advisors LLP. I now look forward to Joining Naspers in a FinTech Strategy and M&A Investments role.
    • My father is a taxation consultant, and that’s where the first nudge came from. At high school, the choice was between computer science or law. Ultimately, at close of 12th I decided to write the law entrance exams. The choice was amongst NLSIU, NUJS and NALSAR. Once admission to NUJS was confirmed, it was convenient to drop the rest.
    • I come from Kolkata and spent my childhood there. I did travel considerably – something I wish I could get time, today; that apart, I owe a lot to my schooling, which afforded an all-round development.

     

    WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO PURSUE LAW? CAN YOU TELL OUR READERS HOW LEGAL EDUCATION HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR YOU IN YOUR CAREER?

    • Though most people post 10th took up Science and prepared for engineering or medicals; they were never really an option, given my love of chemistry! Yes, sarcasm intended. In 2005, NUJS had its first batch of graduates. I remember discussing with my mathematics teacher and mentor, about the options a legal education would open. My dad played a big role, too. A couple more mentoring sessions later, law was a clear winner.
    • I believe, the biggest take-away from a legal education has been developing analytical and reasoning faculties; which does help one in roles like advisory/consulting. Having a deep knowledge of corporate law, FDI policies, and being able to structure investments/funds and being adept at soft skills like negotiation does help in Investment Banking.

     

    CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR TIME AT NUJS? DID YOU PARTICIPATE IN MOOTS, DEBATES ETC. OR UNDERTAKE ANY MEMORABLE INTERNSHIPS? HOW DID THESE EXPERIENCES CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR HOLISTIC DEVELOPMENT?

    • Law school, without a doubt were great years. I didn’t have a taste for the liberal arts curriculum; but, mid-way through law school I enjoyed most of my courses. I always enjoyed writing and penned down a few articles – one published by the prestigious International Astronautical Federation (IAF) in 2010. Studying with a cohort of talented and driven students, leaves its mark – and coming from a national law school, your extended alumni connect is the best takeaway.
    • I didn’t have a penchant for moots. I, in fact, never considered anything remotely linked to litigation as an option.
    • Internships should be taken as a learning ground and for building lasting connections. You got to believe the dots would form a line at the end. Few months back – I got off the phone with the India CEO of a real estate investment concern on a possible JV with a Japanese investor. I met him while he headed another concern, with whom I had completed an internship.

     

    WHAT WERE YOUR AREAS OF INTEREST IN LAW SCHOOL? WHAT PIQUED YOUR INTEREST IN TRANSACTIONS? HOW DID YOU CULTIVATE AND PURSUE SUCH INTERESTS?

    • Business and Law are two sides of the same coin. Legal acumen will stand you in good stead and so will transferable skills like negotiating and reasoning, while making business decisions. Subjects like IPR, Economics, Economics and Law, Corporate Law, Taxation and Corporate Finance/Governance and Law interested me.
    • Measuring value is an inexact science and markets are irrational. The value creation – be through an M&A, or PE/VC transaction; be either in the strategic sense or pure financial, wherein real worth may develop over the considerably longer term always excited me. I found myself reading the FT and HT Mint more often than law journals.
    • I was fortunate to be amongst the students to take part in the Allen & Overy International Finance and Corporate Law course. I took quite seriously the words of a partner, that “you could learn more about Private Equity and LBOs, if you read ‘Den of Thieves’ and ‘Barbarians at the Gates’…” That piqued my interest and some knowledge about the US M&A/LBO boom of that period, does hold one in good stead. Thereafter, it became easier – following up on business pages, HBR and being an avid reader, reading on finance books.

    WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO OBTAIN A MASTER’S DEGREE IN FINANCE? CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR EXPERIENCE STUDYING ABROAD?

    • I found, in my first job, as a transaction lawyer – that, I would inherently spend more time trying to get a better hang of the deal metrics, than documentation and structuring. Somewhere down the line, it struck I could be in deal origination. In India, apart from a lateral move into IB by a lawyer, which is very rare – it made sense to get a master’s Degree in Finance. I had to get a pre-experience one (although the average age of the graduating class was 26), as a post experience programme demanded verifiable quantitative skills. I chose Frankfurt School of Finance & Management, in Germany over a noted Spanish school, to be in close proximation to the continental capital of Finance. Further, an increasing number of German corporates are setting up base in India. I graduated in the FS cohort of 2016, specialising in the Corporate Finance track.
    • Studying abroad is about a journey that ends back at home. Life at FS was a roller-coaster. I had my fair shares of ups and down. Had the good fortune of studying amongst a diverse international student body. Studies were intense, but there were also a lot of free time during weekends. Camping and trails in the German countryside; wine fests, jazz and a dynamic international music scene; are some of the finer things, I do miss. The best part, as always making friends and growing your professional network; and, you know maybe someday I am going to work on a deal alongside a classmate. FS also had a lot of initiatives. FS Buddy for instance, aimed at foreign and exchange students would organize a lot of day trips and cultural activities. They were fun, whilst getting acquainted with the German way of life. There were a lot of focus on student activities and FS Invest and FS Chess were another couple of student run endeavours. At FS we were encouraged to think out of the box, and a lot of students took part in business games and valuation Olympiads. I had the good fortune of being selected to go to Zurich to take part in the India Symposium, attend the 69th CFA Annual Conference in Frankfurt and also take part in the 49th Annual Meet of the ADB.

     

    WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGHER EDUCATION? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO READERS WHO ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT PURSUING FURTHER STUDIES?

    • Well, when speaking about legal education – the value adds of doing a masters, is about your specialization. I am not sure of the graduate job market in London, post Brexit; but English law will continue to be the very basis of our commerce. Of course, there are many students who prefer to do an LL.M or a J.D and then come back to India.
    • A rule of the thumb would be to know what your core interests are and choose a university depending on its specialization. Rankings of course matter, but you must differentiate among universities to choose the best one for you.

     

    HOW DID YOU LAND YOUR FIRST JOB? WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK THERE?

    • Here you got a tale! Phew… I had good grades in IPR and was recommended by a noted faculty member to join as a patent attorney in a pharmaceutical concern. Before joining in, I contacted a partner at Sand Hill Counsel on LinkedIn and set up a one-month internship in Mumbai. I left for Hyderabad, post my internship at Sand Hill. When working on IPR, while that was certainly of utmost interest; I got a call back from Sand Hill Counsel and was offered a PPO. I quit my training and returned to Mumbai for another stint – before joining Sand Hill next June. I remember getting an e-mail from the concerned professor expressing disappointment at me having not been able to make a decision earlier – and, this was also the time when I had a pending submission for the Novartis Bio-camp (in Hyderabad, India) – I had to swallow some pills and take a conscientious decision of letting the Vice Chancellor office know of my decision to withdraw from the Bio-camp. Things do have a way of working out, at the end – and, I was thankful for having made that decision.
    • At Sand Hill Counsel, like any other law firm associate, I was responsible for research, drafting legal opinions, firm write-ups, drafting agreements, and the usual ‘on-deal’ responsibilities and closing formalities, with a view to managing expectations and delivering a mature product.

     

    CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE NATURE OF WORK UNDERTAKEN BY AN INVESTMENT BANKING ANALYST FOR OUR READERS?

    • In IB, one should be prepared for long hours and turning around deliverables in quick time. No two days are the same. I primarily was responsible for analysing business opportunities, develop pitch books for getting mandates, develop target lists, build investment decks, build business models and conduct valuation analysis across sell-side companies. On a live transaction, one has to proactively manage the due-diligence (business, financial and legal) process; and work towards a successful closing. At closing tempers break often and there are long hours, and you do see here, a continuum from my transaction law days.
    • What you do need to be a good investment banker, is better than average modelling skills – having a good understanding of key financial drivers, some hands-on strategy, and being able to work independently and efficiently in a high-pressure environment. It’s also very important to be a thought leader in the space of your calling.

    WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR OUR READERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY COLLEGE STUDENTS?

    • Take risks and believe in your dreams.

    There are no ideal jobs and don’t fall into a peer trap. While some jobs may be paying well, others do come with a long call. Think of the pay-off from that long call, and if that’s a role you do like – take the plunge. Most people I have known, do regret not taking chances; than failing. And, if you do fail, rise; but at the same time be sure to not attempt something, because of your ego – prepare well instead, to truly deserve!!

     

     

  • Debanshu Khettry, Principal Associate, Leslie & Khettry, on LLM from UCL and challenges of starting new ventures

    Debanshu Khettry, Principal Associate, Leslie & Khettry, on LLM from UCL and challenges of starting new ventures

    Debanshu Khettry is a fourth-generation lawyer at Leslie & Khettry. He focusses on corporate law, commercial contracts, corporate finance and banking law, securities law, property law, and legal due diligence.

    Debanshu has catered to international clients looking to do business or having business in India through his association with a reputed and one of the best law firms in New Delhi. He has assisted in negotiation and documentation of various inbound investments in India. He has experience in legal due diligence of businesses in various sectors including infrastructure, e-commerce, FMCG, biotechnology, and education. In addition, he regularly advises corporates, sporting bodies, and individuals on issues relating to commercial law and property law.

    He attained LLM with distinction from University College London and graduated from National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata (gold medallist).

    He gained wide experience through over a dozen internships in some of the biggest law firms in India; judges of Hon’ble Supreme Court of India and Hon’ble Delhi High Court; eminent lawyers and Members of Parliament; office of additional solicitor general and NGOs. His contribution in all these places was highly appreciated.

    Debanshu co-founded P-PIL, with Dr. (Prof.) Shamnad Basheer, to promote practical advocacy among law students. His extensive empirical research on the constitutionality of a statutory tribunal in India was endorsed by a former High Court Judge. He is a founding member of IDIA (established to promote diversity in law schools by training the deprived) where his co-authored policy paper was accepted by the CLAT Committee. His other initiatives include being the founding executive editor of Journal of Telecommunication and Broadcasting Law (first of its kind refereed journal); co-founder of SILC (India’s first standard legal citation system); and co-founder of Lawctopus (a leading website for law students).

    His articles have been published in refereed international journals and his research has been cited in various books and articles. He also takes a keen interest in developments in the financial markets.

    In this interview, we speak to him about:

    • Importance of LLM
    • Tips on writing SOPs and advice on application requirements
    • Challenges faced in starting his own venture
    • Roles and responsibilities as principal associate at Leslie & Khettry.

     

    GIVEN THAT MOST OF OUR READERS ARE LAW STUDENTS AND YOUNG LAWYERS, HOW WILL YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THEM?

    I am a fourth-generation lawyer at my family’s legacy firm, Leslie & Khettry. I graduated from National University of Juridical Sciences (NUJS) in 2013 and then pursued LLM from University College London (UCL).

     

    TELL US ABOUT YOUR OPTIONS AFTER GRADUATING FROM SCHOOL. DIDN’T YOU THINK OF THE CONVENTIONAL DEGREES IN ENGINEERING AND MEDICINE?

    Any other field of study was never in my mind. Since my forefathers have been lawyers, the legal profession has always been in my blood. I took CLAT tuitions from the eleventh grade and managed to get an all India rank of about 100. My backup plan was to pursue BCom (Hons) from St. Xavier’s College, Kolkata where I gained admission and then do a three year law course in case I did not get into any of the top law schools in India which have a five year integrated law program.

     

    WHAT CO-CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES DID YOU PARTAKE IN NUJS?

    I was not much into the traditional co-curricular activities in law school such as debate or mooting (except for the compulsory ones). Instead, I was involved in entrepreneurship and practical lawyering.

    Under the aegis of Prof. (Dr.) Shamnad Basheer, I got an excellent opportunity to work for P-PIL (Promoting Public Interest Lawyering) where we provided law students an opportunity to get hands-on experience of practical lawyering. We worked on issues ranging from human rights, education to regulatory lapses.

    Under the able guidance of Prof. (Dr.) Basheer, I also got the opportunity to work in the policy arm of IDIA (Increasing Diversity by Increasing Access) that aims to empower underprivileged children by providing them access to legal education. Pursuant to the policy paper that we submitted to the CLAT Committee, various changes were made in relation to the conduct of the CLAT exam.

    I also started the first of its kind international peer-reviewed Journal of Telecommunication and Broadcasting Law (JTBL) for NUJS. Whilst in college, I ran the journal for two years and we were able to get Lexis Nexis as the publisher.

    Along with another friend, we also conceptualised India’s first legal citation system, the Standard Indian Legal Citation (SILC). Unfortunately, most law schools and journals in India follow legal citation systems that are not indigenously developed and are not comprehensive guides for citing Indian legal sources. The freely available SILC solves that problem.

    Then of course, I also spent time in planning and developing Lawctopus (an online portal dedicated to law students) along with the other co-founders. I feel proud that five students from NUJS were able to produce a website that has helped a large number of students in myriad ways.

    In addition, I worked as a researcher for a global LPO during my spare time. I also tried making NUJS a more prominent institution in the legal industry. For instance, a friend and I were able to convince the Vice-Chancellor in our second year to change the academic calendar of the University to allow for students to do 3 internships in a year which required in-depth study and galvanising great amount of support from the student body and faculty.

     

    AS A LAW STUDENT, YOU CONSISTENTLY EXCELLED IN ACADEMICS AND BAGGED GOLD MEDAL IN YOUR BA LLB (HONS) COURSE FROM NUJS. WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TIP THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH LAW STUDENTS FOR CONSISTENTLY EXCELLING IN ACADEMICS?

    Discipline, focus and determination are some of the keys to excel in academics. Achieving good grades or being a rank-holder is an important byproduct that helps in numerous ways such as opening several avenues in your career. However, it is not the only means and what matters most is the knowledge that you gain and how you use it.

     

    YOU SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED ABOUT TWELVE INTERNSHIPS IN YOUR 5 YEARS OF LAW SCHOOL. PLEASE TELL US HOW FAR DID YOUR INTERNSHIPS HELP YOU IN YOUR CAREER AFTER YOUR GRADUATION? HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE PRESENT LAW STUDENTS PLAN THEIR INTERNSHIPS?

    I tried to gain wide experience through internships and accordingly interned at a mix of places such as some of the biggest corporate law firms in India, judges of Hon’ble Supreme Court of India and Hon’ble Delhi High Court, eminent lawyers such as Ram Jethmalani, the office of additional solicitor general of India and NGOs amongst others. The variety of places meant doing different kinds of work which helped me get a flavour of the innumerable areas of law and the kind of work that I enjoyed doing. This immensely aided in shaping my career path.

    To law students, I would suggest to try and do as many internships as possible. It will not only help in gaining practical experience but also an understanding of their likes and dislikes. Since the capacity in many places is limited, I would recommend that they plan the internship at the place of their choice well in advance.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO PURSUE AN LLM AT UCL. PLEASE SHARE SOME ADVICE ON ACING THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND PROCEDURE FOR UCL? DID YOU RECEIVE ANY SCHOLARSHIP OR WHETHER UCL PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH SCHOLARSHIPS?

    Much to my surprise, the partners at various law firms that I interned at, did not agree with the concept of LLM or higher education. According to them, it is a waste of time, money and does not yield any benefit in relation to practice in India where the environment and laws are different. However, my cousin who lives in the UK convinced me of the benefits of a post-graduation degree from the UK such as an opportunity to be part of a global network, acquiring a deeper understanding of the law, better educational qualification, etc.

    As far as the application process goes, I received enormous help from my friends, family, well-wishers and professors. UCL does provide scholarships to students, however, I did not apply for it.

    To fellow applicants, I would advise that they seek guidance from someone who has been through the process with success rather than taking half-baked ideas of those who have never been through the application process. I would also recommend that they spend a great amount of time in preparing their applications meticulously and not work on them in haste.

     

    YOU HAVE BEEN THE FOUNDER/COFOUNDER OF VARIOUS VENTURES INCLUDING THE LAWCTOPUS, P-PIL, JTBL AND SILC. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO TAKE UP THESE NEW VENTURES?

    Each venture is the result of efforts of several others and a gap in the industry that needed to be filled. When we started Lawctopus, there was no website that offered information on the various opportunities available to students or an insight into how their internship experiences at various places have been. The portal helps law students and aspirants make informed choices.

    Similarly, for P-PIL, we wanted to create a platform from where students can get an experience of practical advocacy which unfortunately is not fully achieved with the current system of mooting in law schools.

    JTBL was the result of lack of any journals devoted to the ever-growing, vital and complex field of telecommunication and broadcasting laws. SILC was also conceptualised due to the absence of any indigenous citation methodology designed to cater to the reference of Indian legal sources.

    One of the major inspirations behind these ventures was Mahatma Gandhi’s oft-quoted phrase ‘Be the change you want to see in the world’. It is easy to remark that there is a problem or there is a lack of a better solution, nevertheless, each problem or the lack of a better solution is an opportunity that can be seized.

     

    WHICH SUBJECTS DID YOU TAKE IN YOUR LLM AND WHY?

    I have an enormous interest in finance and the financial markets. This led me to take subjects related to this field (such as regulation of financial markets, corporate finance and corporate governance) during my LLM. I also undertook a thought-provoking subject that focussed (amongst others) on the extraneous factors that influence a judge’s decision-making. Even during my law practice, I give a great deal of emphasis on the psychology of judges and analysing their orders and judgments before advising clients.

     

    PLEASE TELL US THE CHALLENGES YOU FACED IN STARTING YOUR OWN VENTURES?

    One of the biggest challenges has been to manage the teams and making sure they are performing their responsibilities in a timely manner. In addition, achieving consensus amongst other co-founders becomes challenging at times since they have their own ideas and vision about the venture.

     

    YOU WORK AS A PRINCIPAL ASSOCIATE AT LESLIE & KHETTRY. WHAT ARE YOUR MAIN TASKS AND WHAT ARE YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY?

    Historically, Leslie & Khettry has been based out of Kolkata even though we regularly came to New Delhi for practice. Recently, though, we opened our office in New Delhi also which I am currently managing. My main responsibility is to grow our practice in New Delhi and cater to the needs of those requiring legal assistance in New Delhi.

     

    WHAT OTHER ACTIVITIES ARE YOU INVOLVED IN BESIDE PRACTICING LAW?

    I devote some amount of time in doing angel investments and meeting entrepreneurs and understanding their needs. I also enjoy engaging in new activities, be it learning a new language or an instrument or taking up a sport.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PARTING MESSAGE TO OUR READERS?

    Always be humble, logical and open to new ideas. Law changes its shape on a regular basis and therefore one must be flexible to adapt to the ever-growing field. I have noticed that professionals often casually call themselves an expert on a subject but there is a reason why lawyers are called practitioners. Also remember, the client is king and therefore their requirements and service to them should take top priority. One must also be ready to toil no what part of the career they are at in order to survive and excel. It is therefore imperative that you enjoy the journey. In spite of best efforts, mistakes may happen but what is important is how you overcome and handle them. There is always scope for improvement in whatever one does.

     

     

     

  • Sachin Malhan, Co-founder and CEO, HumLab on being a good entrepreneur, the challenges of starting your own venture, and his involvement with the Agami Prize

    Sachin Malhan, Co-founder and CEO, HumLab on being a good entrepreneur, the challenges of starting your own venture, and his involvement with the Agami Prize

    Sachin Malhan is the co-founder and CEO of HumLab. Before that he was the Executive Director of the Changemakers global program of Ashoka, the world’s leading social innovation network.

    Before his work at Ashoka, Sachin co-founded three ventures in India – Law School Tutorials, the leading law test-prep outfit, currently present in 60 cities and training over 30,000 students annually; Rainmaker, a learning and talent platform for the legal industry that ultimately spun off Vahura, the leading talent search firm for the legal industry and mylaw.net, the pioneer in online learning for legal and adjacent industries; and Inclusive Planet, a venture focused on greater literary access for the visually impaired, which succeeded in effecting national policy change but failed to sustain the digital platform required to enable that access. For his work in technology, media, social impact and education, Sachin became an INK Fellow in 2010.

    Sachin is a graduate of the National Law School of India University in Bengaluru and began his career with Amarchand Mangaldas in their Mumbai offices.

    In this interview he talks to us about:

    • Studying at NLSIU
    • Converting internships to PPOs
    • Challenges faced as an entrepreneur
    • Ashoka Changemakers, network of social entreprenuers
    • His latest venture HumLab, and their first initiative the Agami Prize

     

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    In the 21 years since I joined law school I’ve played many different roles, some better than others! I’ve been a law student, a lawyer, a teacher, a business entrepreneur, a social entrepreneur and the CEO of a few different organisations. This is not counting the many more roles I’ve played in my life outside of ‘work’. If I had to pick one way to introduce myself to your readers I’d say I’m someone trying to do work that’s creatively fulfilling, meaningfully impacts other people’s lives and helps me live a life beyond the fears, insecurities and compulsions that otherwise govern our lives.

     

    WHAT FACTORS INFLUENCED YOU TO CHOOSE LAW AS A CAREER?

    I chose to go to law school in the most bizarre of circumstances. I took the NLSIU entrance exam as a secondary choice in case my admission to medical school didn’t come through. I wouldn’t even had made the examination if a school friend hadn’t taken me to the venue on his scooter at breakneck speed through Calcutta by-lanes. When the results came I was 57th i.e. the last of the selected 57. My medical admission results were pretty poor and I ended up staying in law school. I am so thankful for this series of most fortunate events because I loved the law school experience and the college-mates who shared that experience with me. Law school helped me broaden my understanding of society, develop new skills, and, most of all, put me in touch with a set of peers who helped me develop as a human being.

     

    YOU HAVE STUDIED IN ONE OF THE PREMIER INSTITUTES IN INDIA. PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR TIME AT NLSIU. WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES NLSIU STANDS OUT AS COMPARED TO OTHER LAW SCHOOLS IN INDIA.

    I cannot compare NLSIU to other colleges today because I don’t have the facts But I can speak about NLSIU during my time there. I think the single biggest driver of value was the quality of students. The process pulled together students from different streams, skill sets and interests, parts of the country and social backgrounds. What most of us shared was a general uncertainty about who we wanted to become in life. Some of us were very certain about ‘the law’ but most were on a journey of discovery. That explains why the batch produced entrepreneurs, restauranteurs, journalists, a policeman, and a professional poker player, besides many accomplished lawyers themselves. When you put such a group of people together and you give them a pleasant campus on the outskirts a city in big transition (Bangalore), access to curricular and extra-curricular opportunities, and a decent academic experience you usually get good things as a result. Note that I refer to my academic experience as ‘decent’ – which I think it largely was, but there were also islands of excellence, teachers who not just helped us understand a subject in a new way but helped us think better and empathise. Their contribution can never be quantified or compensated. They balanced out other academic experiences that were sub-par. I believe NLSIU still offers the above combination of things.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR RECRUITMENT AT AMARCHAND MANGALDAS. HOW DO YOU SUGGEST SHOULD YOUNG LAW STUDENTS APPROACH LAW FIRMS FOR SECURING A JOB AS ENTRY LEVEL ASSOCIATES?

    I was recruited as a result of an internship in my final year. I was very lucky in that I got to work closely with the senior partner – Mr MP Bharucha – who ultimately recruited me. He was a demanding boss, especially for an intern, but it was quickly clear to me that he was an incredible lawyer and personality who would help me learn and grow. I don’t know if interns today get to work closely with partners but it definitely helped to get him to see that I had the attitude to do well. The market is so competitive now and I know that its hard to get into good law firms. There are many others who are probably much better informed about what it takes for law students to crack good law firms eg. my dear friend Ritvik Lukose who heads Vahura. What I can say is that unless you have the benefit of being the graduate of a top law school and have a great resume you’ll have to use the combination of relationships and differentiators. From early in your law school life you need to start building and nurturing relationships with seniors and others in the field. Being a part of a large community, that you care for and cares for you, is an incredible asset. Skills, knowledge and achievements that differentiate you powerfully are the other key tool. Getting that good job, if that’s what you want, requires you to start early.

     

    WHAT LED YOU TO LEAVE AMARCHAND MANGALDAS AND START YOUR OWN VENTURE?

    I had already co-founded Law School Tutorials, popularly known as LST, when I was in my third year (1999) at NLSIU. I had tasted the incredible highs and lows of entrepreneurship and had something to compare to my experience as a corporate lawyer. After a year at Amarchand, despite having an incredible mentor in Mr Bharucha, and enjoying a very positive experience at the law firm, I knew that I was an entrepreneur and had to be true to that. I’d come home late from work and despite being pretty wiped out still find the energy to do my LST work – replying to student emails, revising materials, scoring tests etc. I knew that this is what I wanted to do. I could also see that the audience for law schools was growing and that LST could really become something. So when I left I was terrified about what the future would hold, but I was also ecstatic about the creative possibilities.

     

    YOU HAVE BEEN THE CO-FOUNDER OF VARIOUS VENTURES INCLUDING THE LST AND RAINMAKER. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO TAKE UP THESE NEW VENTURES?

    To me there are few things more satisfying than helping an idea come to life. Those early steps of imagining something, building a team, creating the first experiences etc are very rewarding. In some ways entrepreneurship is my compulsion. Yes, social impact and market opportunity are drivers of these initiatives but in many ways I’m attracted by the process of creating something lasting with other people who share that passion. The experiences, successes and failures of my ventures have taught me more than a dozen college degrees could ever do. I remember one conversation with a young class 12 student in Allahabad where he spoke so lucidly about what it was like for him to break free from what his father wanted him to study and find his own way. When I asked him why he was willing to fight with his father when so many others just went along, he said ‘because life is more, sir, I can feel it.’ Each venture that I am a part of takes me on a new journey, to meet amazing new people and, hopefully, leave a lasting impact.

     

    PLEASE TELL US WHAT ASHOKA CHANGEMAKERS IS ABOUT? WHAT WERE YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILTIES IN THE SAME?

    Ashoka is the world’s largest network of social entrepreneurs. It doesn’t market itself very much but it is ranked amongst the five most influential non-profits in the world. In the social impact field it is highly respected. Many Nobel laureates and Magsaysay awardees are Ashoka Fellows – Mohd Yunus, Kailash Satyarthi, Jerry White, Anshu Gupta and Bezwada Wilson, to name a few. More recently it is confused with the excellent Ashoka University but Ashoka is a global organisation in 80 countries that’s been around for 40 years. Out of its headquarters in Washington DC I was the Executive Director of a large international program of Ashoka, Ashoka Changemakers, which was focused on building networks of social innovators around challenging social issues. I had the chance to work with amazing international colleagues and entrepreneurs on how complex social issues can be solved by creating ecosystems that nurture social innovation around those issues. I moved back to India last year to start HumLab, a longtime dream of mine.

     

    WHAT ACCORDING TO YOU DOES IT TAKE TO BE A GOOD ENTREPRENEUR?

    That’s a tough one, and I answer it with the awareness that I may not be equipped to do so! Here’s what I’ve observed –

    • persistence (trying and trying again);
    • resilience (getting up when you fall down, taking criticism and doubt);
    • working in community, which requires you to trust and to believe in the capability of others;
    • an ability to see possibilities, connect the dots and be comfortable with a certain level of uncertainty;
    • a practical side that helps that problem-solve and mitigate existential risks (no money to live, pay salaries etc.);
    • I’d also add what I think great (as opposed to good) entrepreneurs have –
    • they can empower a lot of other people to discover their full potential;
    • conviction around a certain imagined reality and ability to pass that on to others. Even if that exact vision doesn’t come to pass they still come upon something great by virtue of having sensed the pathways of the future.
    • a healthy disregard for the opinion of ‘experts’, overly convergent or linear thinkers;
    • a connect with younger people who have all the energy.

     

    PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR LATEST VENTURE HUMLAB INDIA. WHAT IS IT ABOUT AND WHAT SERVICES DOES HUMLAB OFFER?

    HumLab doesn’t have one product or service. It is trying to build an ecosystem to catalyse innovation and entrepreneurship in legal industry, law and justice. An ecosystem is not one thing but possibly a combination of different enabling initiatives, ideally with a strong community layer. So we’re slowly starting to develop these different things in collaboration with different organizations. The Agami Prize, which we are co-creating with justice innovation catalyser Vayam led by former Ashoka co-leader and NALSAR alum Supriya Sankaran, and in partnership with some other amazing organisations including Ashoka and Trilegal, is the first such initiative. A national prize that can showcase innovation and entrepreneurship in the field would have the effect of driving interest in the bigger vision itself. We are hoping that once we establish the Agami Prize we can also look at driving more funding and expertise to new startups and promising ventures in the space.

     

    HOW CAN A LAW STUDENT APPLY FOR INTERNSHIP AT HUMLAB?

    Just email me at sachin@humlab.in and tell me why you think yourself to be an entrepreneur. Focus on what you’ve built or significant problem you’ve solved – however small – in your life.

     

    PLEASE TELL US THE CHALLENGES YOU FACED IN STARTING YOUR OWN VENTURES?

    Every kind of problem! Still, the ones that were most persistent were inter-personal. I worked a lot with co-founders, some fantastic entrepreneurs themselves, and we did all sorts of things wrong – didn’t define roles, didn’t clearly align on what the vision was, didn’t talk about about the hard stuff, and so on. I strongly feel that if you’re in a team and you’ve done that bit right i.e. built trusted relationships through strong communication, then everything else is easy. Even then, despite the challenges, my former co-founders remain my closest friends. The adversity brought us closer and our friendship forced us to confront our demons. Because we’ve shared so much we know the challenges that each of us have faced, or our still facing, in growing our ventures.

     

    WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE FUTURE?

    I’ve got my hands full with HumLab. I want to first focus on establishing Agami Prize as a powerful platform for innovators and entrepreneurs, and slowly but surely build a community of people committed to transforming the field. It sounds a bit crazy because law and justice has always been done in a certain way but I think that the big trends of the world – tech, individual empowerment, and the growth of cross-border business and trade – will change things in ways we could’t imagine. I’d like to build HumLab on the learnings I’ve had in the last 20 years of entrepreneurship – develop trust, work with amazing people and organizations, think bold, and have great fun.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR WORD OF ADVICE TO YOUNG LAWYERS AND LAW STUDENTS LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT?

    I have a question for every young law student or lawyer – do you really believe that the jobs we covet will stay the same 10-15 years down the line? In a world where everything is changing so fast we must make change our friend. We must be comfortable with constant learning and initiative-taking. I know its scary but once you embrace the mindset it gives you strength. Trust me on this part. I guess the way I’m trying to answer the question is to say that those who want to do something different are at least half-way into the future versus those who think everything will stay the same. The latter run the greater risk – of not being in control of their destiny.

    To those who want to do something different, I would also say – don’t do it just because its different but because you want to do something fantastically and create value – for yourself and for society. Once you’re convinced of that put all your energy and something good will come out of that.

    I’ll be writing more on this soon!

     

     

     

  • Rahul Bajaj, Associate, Trilegal, on being awarded prestigious Rhodes Scholar, and making the Legal Ecosystem Disabled-Friendly

    Rahul Bajaj graduated in law from the  University of Nagpur in 2017. He has also secured the first position in the B.A. LL.B. course. He is the 2017 recipient of the prestigious Rhodes Scholarship. This scholarship is awarded only to five Indians each year to pursue their postgraduate education at the University of Oxford. He is currently working with Trilegal as an Associate.

    In this interview, Rahul talks about: –

    • His journey towards becoming a Rhodes’ Scholar;
    • Encouraging more persons with disabilities to join the legal profession and;
    • His recruitment at Trilegal

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    First of all, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to share my thoughts on your wonderful platform. I have never been one for crisp and pithy writing, but I’d say that I’m a 24-year-old lawyer from Nagpur. I enjoy reading, travelling, acting a little silly from time to time, learning about new cultures and swimming (although I barely know how to swim).

     

    WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST REACTION ON LEARNING THAT YOU ARE BEING AWARDED THE PRESTIGIOUS RHODES SCHOLARSHIP? DO YOU RECALL THE FIRST FEW DAYS AND THE INTERVIEW? WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO APPLY?

    You’ve packed a lot of things into that question. Let me answer your question in a chronological order, based on the order in which each of these events took place.

    I had no plans of applying for the Rhodes when the application window opened last year. In fact I didn’t even know when the application window opened until I decided to apply. While I have always viewed myself as someone who is sure-footed and confident about their abilities, I didn’t think I had any chance of getting the Rhodes. This was principally because of two reasons. First, I didn’t go to an NLU, and almost all Rhodes Scholars from the field of law, in the last two decades have been NLS or NALSAR graduates, with some notable exceptions. Second, I wasn’t sure if the selection committees were prepared to select a student with a disability, not just because of stereotypes, but also because of the very concrete limitations my disability poses and tackling them, even in Oxford, would entail time and effort. I think my inhibitions are best captured by what James J. Barnes, the first blind person to get the Rhodes says in his memoirs:

    “… I know that I can take no credit for blazing the trail, but I have always given my selection committee members, both at the regional and state levels, much appreciation for not eliminating me out of hand. Clearly they looked behind the superficial but very real limitations I possessed and judged the whole personality.”

    My friend, Dhruva Bhat, who got the Rhodes in 2016 was the first person who encouraged me to apply. I then consulted another close friend who told me that there was no one more deserving to get the Scholarship. So I figured that there was no harm in applying and, given that the Scholarship had been awarded to a student from a relatively low-ranked NLU the previous year, my chances were not unquestionably foreclosed.

    The interview panel for the final round was headed by Gopal Krishna Gandhi who went out of his way to make all interviewees feel comfortable and at ease. I had prepared very rigorously for the interviews, with many rounds of mock interviews, so I found the actual interview to be quite manageable from that standpoint.

    My first reaction was one of complete disbelief, followed by unrestrained elation, followed by the recognition that this is just one milestone on a long road.

     

    HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT WRITING YOUR RÉSUMÉ AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOUR STATEMENT OF PURPOSE FOR RHODES SCHOLARSHIP? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE YOUR SOP WITH US?

    Insofar as the resume is concerned, I just modified the resume that I already had to fit their requirements; I structured it in such a way as to make good the point that I meet the four criteria that they look for. Insofar as the SoP is concerned, I thought long and hard about how I wanted it to be. Instead of sharing the text itself, I think it would be more helpful if I share the process of crafting it.

    I wanted to not only highlight my accomplishments and successes, but also make the point that they were all achieved despite being blind since birth. Some might read this and think that I was playing the ‘blindness card’, but my thinking is that someone who has achieved the things that bring you within the zone of consideration for the Rhodes despite being blind has definitely had to work a lot harder to mitigate the impact of a significant objective impairment. So I began my SoP by talking about the challenges that I faced as the first blind legal intern at the Supreme Court working for a judge, through an anecdote. Against that backdrop, I outlined my relevant accomplishments in the areas of IP and constitutional law, in which I am most deeply interested, and closed by trying to drive home the point that my accomplishments, coupled with the odds that I have had to face in achieving them, make me a great fit for the Scholarship.

     

    DO YOU NEED TO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL? WHAT KIND OF PROFILE IS NEEDED WHILE APPLYING FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP?

    Yes, you need six letters of recommendation – preferably three academic and three extracurricular. I chose my referees in such a way as to be able to make a cogent and compelling case for the proposition that I met all the four criteria that they look for – intellectual ability, ability to use your energy to the full, ability to empathise with and protect the weak and moral force of character and instincts to lead. My referees were Professor Shamnad Basheer, Swaraj Barooah, Justice UU Lalit, Professor Shirish Deshpande, one of my law professors who is himself blind, my constitutional law professor who I’ve described in response to a subsequent question, Professor Varsha Deshpande and my school principal.

    I think anybody who feels that they meet these four criteria should give it a shot, despite whatever grave flaws they might feel their profile suffers from.

     

    WAS THERE ANY INTERVIEW ROUND? IF YES, HOW WERE YOU PREPARED TO FACE THE PANELISTS? WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS WERE YOU ASKED?

    Yes, there were two interviews – one technical and one final. The technical interview focuses on questions about: (a) your areas of interest in the field of law; (b) your general legal ability; and (c) your awareness of topical legal and sociological issues. As I mentioned earlier, I had done a lot of mock interviews – in fact with three of the five scholars from the previous year that were very invaluable.

    In the technical interview, I was asked such questions as a question about a piece of research that I did in my internship with Justice Shakdher of the Delhi HC; why I got involved in IDIA’s programme for students with disabilities and what structural barriers they faced; how I thought IP and human rights could be balanced, based on a paper that I had written; if I thought that studying in my home town was a compromise that I had to make; and if my disability should form part of the calculus when assessing my candidature.

    In the final round, I was asked such questions as my views on the right to be forgotten which I had written about and unenumerated rights in general; my internship for Justice UU Lalit of the Supreme Court; the one fundamental transformation in society that I’d like to see; what my future plans were; and my interest in learning languages.

     

    WHAT WAS THE SELECTION PROCESS LIKE? WHAT WAS THE MOST CHALLENGING PART OF THE PROCESS? HOW DID YOUR LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE HELP YOU IN THE PROCESS?

    The process is divided into three parts – written submissions, followed by two rounds of interview, the details of which I have sketched above. The most challenging part, for me, was making the decision that I wanted to apply.

    As for my law school experience, I got a lot of flak when I said in my interview to Bar and Bench after getting the Rhodes that my college, Dr. Ambedkar College of Law, has a lot of scope for improvement and the manner of functioning leaves a lot to be desired. While I continue to maintain that belief, I think I would be doing a huge disservice and injustice to some teachers in law school if I don’t make a mention of their contribution in shaping my thinking as a lawyer. We had an excellent constitutional law professor, who, despite the dispiriting college environment, taught constitutional law with a tremendous amount of energy and passion and unparalleled power of articulation and helped cultivate my love for the subject. We had another great professor who taught us legal language and writing and labour law and devoted significant effort into helping us appreciate the nuances of the subject matter that we were taught. We had a couple of other good professors, too.

    Notwithstanding the above, I think traditional law colleges, such as mine, are characterised by institutionalised mediocrity, as Dr. Manmohan Singh once said. For a student of law who is interested in honing their legal skills and acquiring a deeper appreciation of the law, nothing can be more demotivating and frustrating than having to return home day after day after day because the college doesn’t want to conduct classes for some or the other specious reason or the students and teachers who help perpetuate this culture aren’t taken to task. I don’t say this to demean anyone or because I have an axe to grind, but because I think that there’s no point in the platform that I have been privileged to have been given by virtue of getting this Scholarship if I can’t use it to make a contribution, howsoever insignificant, in helping foster conversation on the issues that I care deeply about and sow the seeds of change.

     

    WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AFTER YOUR POST-GRADUATION? WHAT KIND OF CAREER DO YOU ENVISAGE AFTER GRADUATING FROM OXFORD?

    I’d like to litigate in the areas of constitutional law and IP law. I’d also like to pursue a career in policy formulation alongside litigation.

     

    WHAT FIELD OF LAW DO YOU INTEND TO PURSUE AT OXFORD AND WHY?

    Constitutional law, human rights and intellectual property. These are the areas that I have developed maximum interest in, by dint of the opportunities that I have had in my career thus far.

     

    DOES THE UNIVERSITY OF NAGPUR PROVIDE EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES TO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES?

    You see, back in 2012, my family and me didn’t think that an NLU would have the wherewithal to accommodate a student with a disability. The only example of this happening was Moiz Tundawala, who had gone to NUJS and is in fact a resident of Calcutta, so he was a day scholar there. I have always attached great importance to maintaining high standards of excellence in academics. I was not sure an NLU would have an enabling environment to facilitate this. As we saw it, the choice was between being relegated to the fringes at a leading law school and thriving at a lesser known law college where I would have easier access to resources and more time to build my career in the manner in which I wanted to. Further, while it may have been possible for me to adjust, as I eventually did in the Supreme Court, the Delhi High Court, and several other places where I have interned, I was not the person then that I am now, so I didn’t really push the envelope on going to an NLU as assertively as I perhaps should have, in hindsight.

    Our concerns back then weren’t unfounded. Even today, the students with disabilities who are at the NLUS aren’t exactly welcomed with open arms. From faculty members who grudgingly accommodate disabled students at best and make them objects of pity or refuse to accommodate them at worst to registrars and staff members who adopt an adversarial approach when dealing with their needs; from peers who quietly distance themselves from you and are unable to embrace someone who is difference due to ignorance or prejudice to inaccessible infrastructure, the challenges faced by the disabled are large in number.

    That said, change is afoot in many places and we will hopefully see things improve. NLSIU recently admitted the first totally blind student in its 32-year-history and their Law and Society Committee has taken the lead on sensitising all stakeholders about the needs of the disabled.

    Insofar as my own college experience is concerned, as I studied in my hometown, I had access to all the resources I needed to study independently, which is what my legal education mostly boiled down to. My professors were also as helpful as they could be.

     

    WHAT IMPROVEMENTS DO YOU SUGGEST THAT THE COURTS NEED TO MAKE FOR ENCOURAGING MORE PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES TO JOIN THE LEGAL PROFESSION?

    That’s a very loaded question and probably warrants a separate interview. The challenges are many, and most notably include: (a) inaccessibility of documents, even digital documents; (b) inaccessibility of legal databases; (c) accessibility barriers on court websites; (d) absence of an institutionalised frame work to accommodate disabled lawyers; and (e) inaccessible physical infrastructure, lack of human assistance in courts and overcrowded courts in which even a sighted lawyer would struggle to find their way, let alone someone who is blind. People tell me: now you have digital access, doesn’t that solve your problems? The answer is that digitisation, if not configured with accessibility in mind, can help create and perpetuate barriers rather than breaking them down.

    I have filed an application in the Supreme Court to help effectuate some of these changes. You will hopefully hear about it soon.

     

    HOW DID YOUR RECRUITMENT TAKE PLACE AT TRILEGAL? IS TRILEGAL A DISABLED FRIENDLY PLACE?

    My recruitment happened by virtue of a PPO that I got after my internship at Trilegal. The answer to your second question would unequivocally be in the affirmative. I can cite several examples of the initiatives that they have taken for me: buying for me a more efficient OCR software; a computer that works better with my screen reader; and encouraging me to figure out ways of doing all the things that my able-bodied counterparts are expected to do.

    As a disabled legal professional, one obviously faces a variety of challenges, given that the working of the profession and the courts is not structured with you in mind. Despite this, Trilegal has done everything possible to accommodate me as fully as they can.

     

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO OUR YOUNG READERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR RHODES SCHOLARSHIP IN FUTURE?

    I am not old or wise enough to give career advice to anyone. What I would like to close with is this beautiful quote from Marianne Williamson, which more eloquently and forcefully conveys my thinking:

    “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? … Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do… And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

    You may dismiss that as a lofty and cheesy expression of sentiment, divorced from the way the world actually works. But I think it conveys a profound message which is this: unless we are able to come to terms with the proposition that we have within us the capacity to achieve our goals and break down the barriers holding us back, how can we ever hope to convince others or translate it into reality?

    So my short message would be that, instead of focusing too much on the cards that you are dealt, try focusing on how best to play them; instead of focusing on what you cannot do, try focusing on what you can. This can hold one in good stead for pursuing any meaningful endeavour, and the Rhodes is no exception.

     

     

     

     

  • Prachi Shrivastava, Journalist, Legally India, on being a legal journalist and a career in legal journalism

    Prachi Shrivastava, Journalist, Legally India, on being a legal journalist and a career in legal journalism

    Prachi Shrivastava graduated from Amity Law School, Delhi in 2011 and is currently working as journalist with Legally India. She covers news developments in the transactional legal space, the bar, the bench, law schools, legal policy and trends in the Indian legal profession, for Legally India. She also handles editorial responsibilities, such as copy-editing, at Legally India, in addition to reporting.
    In this interview she talks about:
    • On a career in legal journalism
    • Roles and responsibilities of a journalist
    • Skills required for a good legal journalists

     

    HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO OUR READERS?

    I am a lawyer-turned-journalist for the last six years. Legally India, and sometimes its collaboration with Mint, has been the space for my entire professional experience.

     

    WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO DO LEGAL JOURNALISM? ISN’T IT QUITE AN UNUSUAL CAREER CHOICE? WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO CONTINUE WORKING IN THIS AREA?

    At the time when I first made the choice, it was to pursue my passion for building stories in a way that intersects with my primary professional qualification. It was an unusual career choice at the time, not so much now. I continue to make this choice daily because of the promise of immense growth alongside creative freedom, through a struggle which has hardly any frustrating components to it. In a nutshell, it is immensely challenging but in a greatly positive way.

     

    YOU ARE VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE LEGAL CIRCLES IN INDIA AS THE FACE BEHIND LEGALLYINDIA.COM. WHAT IS YOUR ROLE THERE? TELL US ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY WITH LEGALLY INDIA.

    That is more than humbling, a perception. It is really our founding editor Kian Ganz who is the inspirational force behind this milestone in legal history that I have been privileged enough to be a part of right through its growth years. My role is to editorially support Kian in keeping it up, running and growing. The journey has been very, very unique and empowering even though it’s like I haven’t even begun to scratch the tip of the iceberg of the immense impact this vehicle can cause in India.

    First off, I have been repeatedly amazed at the distance a bit of an effort at transparency can go, in bringing about fairness and growth in the profession.

    Second, I’ve seen first-hand: curiosity is contagious. It begun with Kian’s efforts at digging into aspects of the profession most lawyers were sceptical about digging into. I joined and as a young lawyer for a time not I would not immediately grasp just how deep an investigation could go. Certain parts of the investigation would surprise me. And now for a while we have even had readers not just pointing out but pushing us to pursue very, very pertinent and relevant issues that need more digging.

    Third, it has been heartening to see the niche legal journalism space get competitive and sharp in India over the years, pushing each other to raise the bar.

    Finally, is it me or has the mainstream media been more proactive picking up niche legal sector angles of late? Makes me immensely proud to be part of that kind of impact.

     

    WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO THE THREE BIGGEST ACHIEVEMENTS IN YOUR CAREER?

    Three biggest achievements of my career:-

    • When a story I wrote (somewhat) directly causes a shift in an organisation’s actions or policies;
    • Getting to connect with so many stalwarts of the industry on a daily basis;
    • Having the freedom and access to gain a large audience for the issues I care about.

     

    MANY PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM LEGAL JOURNALISM BECAUSE IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE EARNINGS ARE QUITE LOW. IS THAT TRUE? WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO SUCCEED AS A LEGAL JOURNALIST?

    Earnings depend on any given organisation, so I wouldn’t say “quite low” unless obviously it is being compared to the pay scale of a law firm but then a lot of professions perfectly capable of keeping both the stomach and passions alive and comfortably kicking, would pale in comparison to law firm packages of even freshly minted graduates.

    That said, in order to succeed, curiosity would go a long way. Also wherewithal. No one can really push a journalist to keep reaching out for stories, it has to come from within and not in spurts but in a rabid flow.

    I would say I have succeeded when I have that kind of a rabid flow.

     

    YOU STARTED YOUR CAREER AT LEGALLY INDIA AND STAYED THERE FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF YOUR CAREER SO FAR. THIS IS QUITE UNUSUAL IN TODAY’S PROFESSIONAL WORLD. WHAT MADE YOU STAY BACK AT LEGALLY INDIA FOR A GOOD PART OF A DECADE? DO YOU CONSIDER OFFERS FROM OTHER PUBLICATIONS?

    Legally India is the leader in the space that I work in and I believe that once you have begun on the path to master a particular space, it doesn’t make sense to jump to another space until you have mastered your own space completely and there is no more potential for growth. It would also not make sense for me to move to another publication in the same space as, who moves away from a leader?

    I am still striving toward the goal I set out to achieve with Legally India and the fact that it has taken me the better part of a decade to do so, speaks for itself on the intensity of the challenge.

     

    WHAT ARE THE SKILLS YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD AT IN ORDER TO BE A GOOD LEGAL JOURNALIST? HOW DID YOU ACQUIRE THESE SKILLS? WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IN THIS AREA OF WORK?

    You need to be immensely curious, immensely well-read and aware of the latest not just in your space but also in related areas, good communication skills help in addition to, obviously, being able to write efficiently and with clarity. As on date, being comfortable with and knowledgeable about the latest tech trends is indispensable as internet has deeply penetrated all our lives.

    Above all, the motivation to keep up your curiosity in the face of a hard chase and not much of a corporate push, is a challenge without which journalism should not be attempted.

     

    WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR LEGALLY INDIA? WHERE DO YOU SEE IT AFTER FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS?

    Vision for our publication is to continue doing what we are doing, over a wider scope and transparency at par with some of the most open international legal markets

     

    WHAT DOES YOUR AVERAGE WORKDAY LOOK LIKE? DO YOU GET SOME AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY?

    Average workday consists of connecting with a lot of lawyers and digging out things worth reporting, then reporting them. Yes, my work day is very flexible subject to the fact that we get things done.

     

    WHO ARE THE STALWARTS IN LEGAL JOURNALISM THAT YOU FOLLOW?

    My editor, Kian Ganz.

     

     

    IS LEGAL JOURNALISM CHANGING WITH TIMES? WHERE DO YOU SEE THINGS HEADING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS?

    Everything is changing with times and so is legal journalism. What the change is? Well, for starters there is a lot more to cover and a lot more general willingness in the profession for things to be open and accountable. And we take the rest from there.

     

    LIFTING OF ADVERTISING BAN ON LAWYERS IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON LEGAL MEDIA, FOR THE GOOD OF COURSE. DO YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON? WHAT IS YOUR PREDICTION WITH RESPECT TO THIS?

    Liberalisation, some foreign lawyers have joked to me, will be a tentative discussion until my legal journalist grandchildren are reporting on it. I hope it is not, but the way things keep progressing to advanced stages and then stall for a host of reasons, and the ultimate sword of “nationwide boycott” by the BCI no less when no reasons are left to stall, dampens hope. For a time last year there was one more relevant stakeholder joining the pro-liberalisation side, than the month before. Then the Supreme Court went ahead and indicated to all sides to rest for a bit. So I think I’d be safe to stay away from a prediction on this.

     

    HOW CAN ONE GET A JOB OR INTERNSHIP AT LEGALLY INDIA?

    By displaying your creativity, curiosity and perseverance to dig out the stories that matter to us.

    Thank you!