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  • “Space exploration isn’t just about reaching new frontiers; it’s about navigating complex legal landscapes. From Artemis Accords to lunar mining, every step forward requires careful consideration of international treaties and domestic laws.” – Dr. Ranjana Kaul, Partner at Dua Associates, Advocates & Solicitors

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Hello and welcome to SuperLawyer. Today, I’m here with Dr. Ranjana Kaul, who is a partner at Dua Associates with a specialization in the UN International Space Law Treaty regimes and International Air Law treaty regimes as well. Dr. Kaul advises on civil and commercial activities in outer space and on the military usage of outer space.

    The advisory includes national space policy and statutes mandated under the International Space Treaty for the national activities, including military, civil, and commercial in outer space. Dr. Kaul has over 40 international and national publications. She has an LLM from the Institute of Air and Space Law from the prestigious McGill University, Canada, and an LLB from Delhi University.

    Given your diverse academic journey from studying history to obtaining PhD in constitutional history, could you share what led you from this kind of background in history to specializing in UN international space law treaty regimes, as well as your academic pursuits with space law and air laws?

    So, this trajectory isn’t the typical one you might expect. It spans from my completion of a B.A. and an M.A. My M.A. was in history, but my specialization was in constitutional history, and that’s what I focused my dissertation on. Regarding law studies, my parents, particularly my mother, weren’t keen on me pursuing law, despite more than 50 percent of my father’s family being lawyers. She even enlisted the help of an uncle and a cousin, both practicing in Bombay, to dissuade me from pursuing law. However, I wasn’t inclined to rebel at that time. Matters progressed, and after getting married, I pursued law. I completed my LLB much later, as deep down, I always aspired to be a lawyer.

    There was an advertisement in the newspaper while my husband and I were walking in Lodhi Garden. He pointed it out and asked if I had seen it. I admitted that I had, but I was hesitant about the entrance exam, as I had never taken one before. He reassured me, saying that the worst-case scenario was failing the exam. Encouraged by his words, I took the entrance exam and passed. Thus, I pursued law alongside other responsibilities, primarily because I had young children at the time, and I wanted to be present for them.

    I juggled writing, as I used to be a journalist, and evening law classes while managing my household. Eventually, I started practicing law. I initially joined a firm called Vaish Associates in Delhi, where Mr. O.P. Vaish was my first mentor. It was a fantastic experience, and I’m still in touch with the family. Later, I started my own practice. Unexpectedly, my husband informed me one afternoon, out of the blue, that he was being posted to Montreal for three years. This revelation came as a surprise, considering the short notice and the lengthy duration of his posting.

    I said, “But you were not under posting order this morning when we were having breakfast.”

    “What happened between then and now?” he said.

    “Well, I had a call, and I had to give a reply in half an hour. I knew you would react like this, so I’ve come to tell you,” he explained.

    “Yes, but what about all this? You know, all my law books, my files, and this and that,” I questioned.

    “I was practicing on my own. Not easy to set up on your own,” he responded.

    “Well, that’s up to you,” he remarked, then did an about-turn and went back to the office.

    I just froze in my chair. I didn’t know what had happened to my life all of a sudden. Anyway, I thought about it. Five minutes later, there’s a phone call. There were no mobiles then, so it was my daughter calling on the landline.

    “Have you heard of a university called Concordia?” she asked. Of course, I hadn’t, so I kept quiet.

    “So you haven’t,” she deduced. “Has Papa heard about it?”

    “You should ask him,” I replied.

    “That means no. And you mean to say that my parents are asking me to join a university in Montreal, neither have heard of and give up the best college in India, which is St. Stephen’s,” she exclaimed.

    “Now look here, Mahima, it is what it is, and you just have to pack your bags and go,” I advised.

    “I will not go,” she declared.

    “No, you don’t have an option here. When am I supposed to go?” I informed her.

    “Actually, this weekend,” I told her.

    “I’m coming home,” she decided. She was in college. She drove home and asked, “What does this mean?”

    “Listen, don’t ask me. I have been informed two hours ago, so you have to go,” I explained.

    All this went on, and that poor girl, screaming and kicking, went off to Montreal.

    “But I don’t want to study in Concordia; I want to study at McGill,” she protested.

    “Now look here, Mahima, since you’re a bright girl, I am sure that you can go to Montreal, sign up in Concordia, walk across to the admin office of McGill, tell them how bright and brilliant you are and what they’re missing, and ask them to take you,” I encouraged her.

    She did that, and they said, “All right, we’ll take you, but you have to get a certificate of equivalence.”

    She called me from Montreal, saying, “I need this.”

    “All right,” I replied. So I went to Stephen, spoke to the principal, got a letter together, and lo and behold, she was at McGill doing international relations, exactly what she wanted to do.

    Then I stayed on in Delhi. My husband went in July, my son was reading economics at St. Stephen’s, and he was now headed to Cambridge. So we stayed in Delhi. I mean, I had to sort out things. I left in October, and Ishan sort of peeled off in London, and went off to university. I carried on to Montreal. All of that was fine. But a week after I had sort of recovered from the jet lag, I found myself with nothing to do. I’m a working person. I just couldn’t imagine what it is that could happen to my life for three years more.

    I had decided to entrust my practice to a colleague and continue onward. In any case, my husband noticed that I wasn’t entirely content with my current state. So, he arranged for someone to invite me to lunch at the Montreal Club, where I was indeed invited.

    During lunch, I met Justice Joseph Nuss, who had previously presided over the Court of Appeals in Quebec. Upon hearing my story, he inquired about my knowledge of air law. Given that air law was unfamiliar territory in India, my expression likely revealed my lack of familiarity. Justice Nuss then broached the topic of space law, to which I also had no background.

    He suggested I visit the Institute of Air and Space Law the following morning and meet with Paul, the director. Initially hesitant, given my existing PhD, I eventually relented and enrolled in a certificate course spanning three months.

    Upon learning that an LLB was not a prerequisite for the course, I consulted my husband for approval. Following his encouragement, I embarked on the journey, aided by his morning lifts due to inclement weather.

    At the conclusion of the 12-week program, I was informed that I had excelled, prompting the director to propose further studies leading to an LLM. Despite my reluctance to undertake another dissertation, I ultimately pursued the LLM in Air and Space Law.

    Under the guidance of Professor Ram Jakhu, a leading figure in International Space Law, I specialized in regulating satellite telecommunications in India for my dissertation. Professor Jakhu envisioned my formal training in these laws as being of great benefit to our country in the future.

    My stint in India commenced in 2005 after a three-year tenure abroad. At that juncture, my husband’s return to India prompted a call from Mr. Dua, the managing partner, who was acquainted with him. Mr. Dua, upon learning of my return, extended an invitation to join the firm. Agreeing to this proposal, I scheduled my arrival for July after the summer recess and court resumption.

    However, a twist of fate altered my plans. In March, I received a call urging me to expedite my return for an international conference on national space laws organized by the International Institute of Space Law in collaboration with the UN and ISRO. Tasked with presenting on India’s national space law, I initially balked, citing my lack of knowledge about Indian laws. Nonetheless, spurred by Professor Jakhu’s encouragement, I dove into research, crafted a presentation, and embarked on the journey back to India.

    My presentation at the conference left the space establishment astounded, as it broached topics hitherto unexplored. Back then, private sector involvement in outer space activities was unheard of, rendering my insights groundbreaking. Despite the initial shock, the leadership displayed unwavering support, fostering an environment conducive to exploration and innovation.

    Subsequently, my involvement with the International Institute of Space Law in Paris deepened, culminating in my current role as a board director. Over time, India’s space landscape witnessed significant transformations, catalyzed by Prime Minister Modi’s 2020 announcement, which expanded civil space activities to encompass commercial endeavors.

    Concurrently, developments post-Kargil underscored the imperative for military space assets to bolster national security. This narrative, which commenced in 2000, culminated in the establishment of a defence space agency. The 2020 reforms further propelled the convergence of defence and commercial space endeavors, heralding a new era of technological synergy.

    However, despite these advancements, a glaring gap persists in academia regarding space law education. Unlike traditional legal subjects, space law remains conspicuously absent from law school curricula in India. Yet, with India’s astronomical achievements garnering widespread acclaim, burgeoning interest among students is palpable.

    Indeed, the allure of space exploration has sparked enthusiasm among young aspirants, fostering a keen interest in aerospace engineering and related fields. Notably, this burgeoning interest extends to participation in international competitions, such as moot court competitions organized by esteemed institutions like the International Institute of Space Law.

    In conclusion, my journey traverses the evolving landscape of space law, underscored by groundbreaking developments and burgeoning interest among students and legal practitioners alike.

    So, it’s called the Manfred Lachs Space Moot, World Space Moot. The finals of the Manfred Lachs Space Moot competition are presided over by three sitting judges of the International Court of Justice every year. You can understand the caliber and the importance that the Western world and the rest of the world that are plugged into this domain attribute to space and space activity.

    Many of our law school students want to participate because it’s global participation. Many times, our universities have brought back the prize, the trophy, but it doesn’t give them a job here. There is interest. So now, I have seen the trend in universities. At the master’s level, you may have an optional course in Air and space law. Meaning, it is read in one line, Air and Space law, although these are two separate. And there is now the possibility of an LLM in international law.

    In our country, LLM is a two-year degree course. So in those two years, there is one semester in which you will study UNCLOS, that is International Convention on the Law of the Sea. You will read the Chicago Convention, which is for International Civil Aviation. And you will read the Outer Space Treaty, which is for Outer Space. And you will read the Moon Agreement. All in one semester. Now, it is not enough, you get some sensitization, for sure. But if you’re dealing with it, to advise somebody, whether it’s the government, it’s the military, it’s a civilian, whoever it is, or it is a commercial, on the nuances of it and how it translates into our domestic national law, of which there presently isn’t for space activities, but all are normative laws.

    When you’re doing activities on the ground, of course it is the laws that exist. To be able to explain that needs expertise in understanding the nuances of the treaty. They just sound so wonderful and benign, but they’re anything but that. So that is where it happened and I never planned it.

    I think my circumstances took me along this path. And frankly, I don’t think what I could have done without the circumstances and without the series of mentors that I’ve had.

    I don’t know what to say. I’m quite surprised at myself sometimes, but there it is.

    Ma’am, you’ve achieved so much in your career, and I’d like to delve into your role as a founding member of Spaceport, Sarabhai—India’s first independent think tank dedicated to outer space. Could you share the story behind its founding, the goals and vision you had when you initiated it, and the kind of space-related discourse in India you hope to foster through this think tank?

    So really, the idea of Spaceport Sarabhai started with five of us as founders, but the true originators were my colleagues, Susmita Mohanty and Narayan Prasad, whom we call NP. They are both engineers and experienced entrepreneurs who have established their own companies. We felt the need for an independent think tank, free from the constraints of government boundaries or the limitations of individual knowledge, to discuss space-related matters openly.

    We also wanted a forum where India’s voice could be heard internationally and where international voices could be brought to India. For example, in one of our early sessions, we invited Professor Stephen Freeland, who is now heading the UN COPUOS working group on the legal aspects of space resources, including lunar resources, along with another expert from Australia, to discuss the various nuances of the Artemis Accords. These accords are a multilateral United States effort involving over 30 countries, aimed at furthering civil activities like mining and long-term human habitation on the moon, Mars, and commercial asteroid mining.

    India is a signatory to the Artemis Accords. We explored how this fits into space law, the possibilities it presents, and the concerns it raises. These topics have not been discussed in any university to my knowledge, nor have I been invited to such discussions in any academic setting.

    We realized the need to understand these issues, as many people have questions but don’t know whom to ask. For instance, when we had the geospatial policy session, we created a platform for these discussions. Currently, we are planning a forum to invite young space lawyers in India. Many young Indians, like yourself, have pursued advanced studies in space law, earning LLMs from prestigious institutions outside India, such as McGill, universities in the United States, Europe, Leiden University in the Netherlands, and Cologne University in Germany.

    There’s a space university in Strasbourg, and many similar institutions exist. We can invite international experts due to our network. We also produce reports independently, without government affiliation, which allows us to present alternate narratives. For example, regarding the early space companies established around 2010, few have reached the stage of operating commercially within India. Many have relocated their operations outside India, though they maintain offices here.

    One significant issue is the availability of venture capital and funding rounds, yet no startup has begun commercial operations within India. It will happen in due course, but currently, there are challenges, including the complexity of third-party insurance for space activities. According to the Outer Space Treaty, the state is liable for space assets and those of non-government entities if they cause damage in outer space, in airspace, or on Earth.

    Practical aspects need to be addressed for the state and entities to comply with these regulations. This includes determining the extent of third-party liability, identifying vendors, and understanding insurance provisions.

    Regarding lunar exploration, some colleagues and I, including NP, were invited to discuss the architecture of a potential moon village. NGOs are already considering the environmental aspects of lunar mining. Given the pollution issues we’ve created on Earth, it’s crucial to establish practical standards for the moon. Additionally, we must consider the prospect of contestation over valuable lunar resources, especially with countries like China and Russia planning to set up an international lunar research station, and other countries, including India and Japan, having their lunar programs.

    We need to simulate future scenarios, understand treaty laws, and identify safeguards. These are the questions we wanted the freedom to explore, which motivated Susmita, NP, and others to establish Spaceport Sarabhai. Named after Vikram Sarabhai, the father of the Indian space program and the first chairman of the Department of Space and ISRO, Spaceport Sarabhai (S2) aims to foster open discussion and development in space exploration.

    Ma’am, I cannot stop myself but asking you about space travel, which we are planning, then the kind of space debris which we will be facing, space pollution, which we are talking about, the space vacations which we people are now planning that if space colonies will be established, how will we travel the kind of obviously jurisdiction issues. I’m interested in understanding how your think tank aims to support and enhance planning for space travel and space vacations. Additionally, how approachable is your think tank, and how can people get involved? Please share details on how interested individuals can connect with you, and what kind of knowledge or preparation they should have before reaching out.

    So, first and foremost, we have a website. Please Google and visit our site to find all the information you need on how to connect with us and what we can do. We are at a very nascent stage, with just the core group working. It’s early days, but we would certainly love to hear your ideas.

    We want to see how we can involve more people. For example, we had one young student who approached us, expressing his interest in contributing to our work. He produced a wonderful report on space insurance. So, please involve yourself. What can we do for space lawyers?

    As I mentioned, we are now planning a podcast series and a panel of young space lawyers to discuss the issues they are facing, what they think should happen, and how the field can be developed. These are still very early days in figuring out how to establish appropriate national laws for activities in outer space, especially concerning commercial space activities. This task falls to the government, and it’s a complex one to draft a national space activities law.

    As I mentioned earlier, when you read the Outer Space Treaty, it seems simple and straightforward, almost like being in a meeting of Girl Guides or Boy Scouts. However, it is anything but that. There isn’t a definitions clause, so the terms are not clearly defined. This requires intensive academic research and work. It’s a very demanding task, and I know this because I do it.

    It is consuming, but at the end of it, you know precisely what is required and what it means. Therefore, if I’m going to draft a national space law, I know what I should do and what I must not and cannot do. This is crucial because, in space, you have military space activity.

    They have different nuances. The Outer Space Treaties are linked to the UN Charter and to international security. Space, after all, is a physical domain that does not recognize state sovereignty. You cannot extend state sovereignty above 100 kilometers from the surface of the earth, and it’s the laws of physics.

    We all remember our basic Kepler’s laws and such. The technology is overcoming the challenges of physics in space, for instance, going against gravity at a very basic, simple level. It is all related to military technology. These military technologies can be used for military activities or for non-military activities like India does, which we call civil space activities. It’s the same technology.

    The difference between the government space program and the commercial sector is that the emergence of commercial companies has nothing to do with the government and receives no support from it. Secondly, they are developing their proprietary IPR with the intention that the technology platform they create will offer customized solutions to their customers to earn money, of course. The mental framework in which our young space companies approach the subject is like any other business.

    Any other commercial company in India is doing something to achieve a rate of return, which is exactly different from the state, which provides certain services to its citizens as an obligation of the state. The approach to the subject is different, but all are governed under the Outer Space Treaty and the corresponding treaties.

    When, for example, damage is caused by your space object or by a state’s space object in outer space, in airspace, and on the earth, you know, debris keeps falling now and then, here and there. We read in the newspaper that a piece of debris fell in northern Maharashtra or wherever it is and did not cause any damage to life and property. Normally, the states do not like to attribute or identify that this piece of debris came from the space object of such and such. They don’t like to because space is geopolitics. Space is high stakes. So you have to tread extremely carefully in what you say and what you don’t say, especially on an official platform.

    Basically, you’re walking on eggshells. That is what it is.

    Ma’am, how do you see your role as a Partner at Dua Associates contributing to the evolving landscape of the UN International Space Law Treaty? How does your position empower you to drive positive change in such a highly specialized and niche legal domain? Additionally, how do you manage and navigate the complexities involved in this unique area of law?

    Look, the starting point is my managing partner. When I joined here, I was practicing in the Delhi High Court and continued to do the bread-and-butter sort of work. On my first day, he came to have a chat with me about what I wanted to do. I said, “Well, apart from the normal work, I’ll go to court and this and that, but also space.” He looked at me with the same sort of expression I must have had when Justice Nuss asked me. I said, “You know, Antariksh…” He said, “Do what you want.” Since then, this firm has been incredibly supportive.

    Not in an overt way, but by just being there and letting me pursue it. I was often breezing off to Bangalore for various reasons or taking off suddenly to attend the International Astronautical Congress and IISL International, among other things. They just let me be, and now it has all come together. That’s Dua Associates for me. Without Dua Associates, balancing both these things would not have been possible. My colleagues are equally indulgent; they have a smile on their faces when I’m talking about this.

    Now, it’s all coming together, especially as we, including the government, are openly talking about space initiatives. In these contexts, I’m able to provide some assistance. As my professor said, your knowledge will be of assistance someday. To the extent that I can, I certainly try to help. It is not for me to drive these initiatives; I can only assist. The final decision is always the government’s prerogative.

    The unraveling and understanding from my perspective are crucial. For example, civil space users already know all the operational details. For military space users, how do you navigate through this amazing treaty? It’s important to understand what military users should or should not do and why they cannot do certain things. There are countless complexities. It’s very difficult to explain it all, but to the extent that I am involved, I am doing my best.

    Ma’am, you have also served as counsel for the Union of India at the High Court of Delhi. We would request you, if you are comfortable, to share any professional highlights or significant cases that had an impact on your career or legal perspective. Specifically, we are interested in cases where you thought a particular change would bring a change in society at large or anything that you felt has brought significant change to your life and career.

    So, as far as legal practice is concerned, what I valued very much at a personal level is observing the societal changes. Change in society is significant. When I was a member of the Delhi State Women’s Commission, I had to deal with one particular case involving a highly educated lady. She had completed her MPhil in chemistry, and her husband was a doctor. Anyway, the short point is that it was a matrimonial situation where she and her children had been thrown out of the house. It went to court, and she was refused to provide any maintenance. However, she also did not have a house to live in.

    The gentleman was still in service but had a DDA flat. She needed a place to stay with her school-going children. In the course of that argument, more than me, it was the presiding judge who made a significant impact. Whenever I think of him, I always wish him well. He said that she has the right to live in that house, to begin with. He expanded the scope of the relief he granted. Plus, he ordered Rs. 4,000 per child. This case went on for years. In the middle of all this, I went off to Montreal and told my colleague about my pro bono work. She volunteered to handle it for me. By the time I came back in 2005, this lady returned.

    She used to give tuition in chemistry and mathematics. She used to drive her car to Gurgaon. She was staying in one of the DDA flats in Vasant Kunj so that she could pay for her children. Understandably, those children were impacted by their familial circumstances. But she stuck to her ground, and I have to say, I admire her immensely for her fortitude. Perhaps mothers are like that. She did all this, and her son finally finished his engineering and went to Germany for further study.

    Her daughter was deeply impacted by her father’s conduct and used to stammer with anxiety. If you’re a mother, you know what I’m saying. Ultimately, that girl has emerged from her struggles like a chrysalis and a butterfly. She has a wonderful job in a very well-known school, which is a residency. Now and then, they come to meet me, and the children keep in touch with me, exchanging messages. The son is now settled in Berlin. She looks so pretty now.

    She’s so confident, and so happy, and the mother is also elated. During COVID, there was naturally no question of tuitions, as one couldn’t go anywhere. However, she started a catering business and arrived here with all sorts of food. I asked, “Why have you brought this for me?

    ” She replied, “Because I made it myself. This is what I’m doing.” She sustained herself through that. In due course, we were able to find some details about her husband that could have incriminated him in a criminal matter. As a doctor in a government hospital, you know what happens if you lose your job. So, it came to a point of negotiation because the court suggested mediation to settle. He signed off that DDA flat in her favour. I said, “I would not like to, but I just want to tell you that I know about this. I know about these facts. I’ll leave it to you because you’re a brilliant doctor. How would you want to deal with this?” So he signed off the flat, and then we completed the registration process.

    Because unless the title is transferred. He can still challenge after he retires. So we went through that whole and connected the dots and created a virtuous cycle to protect her and her children. For me, that was very, very material.

    And the other was, the case of this little girl who was around 16 years old and she lived in one of the areas in Delhi. And they had come to the commission. This girl had been sort of waylaid by a constructor who was building around in that locality. And she had been raped.  And the father, the old father came, you know, in tears to the chairperson who called me and she said, Ranjana ji yeh.  So I said, okay, let me see what can happen.

    So now, naturally, this falls under criminal law. I said I would go to Patiala House and informed the judge that I’m representing the Women’s Commission. Have you ever witnessed cross-examination in a rape case? This gentleman arrived with a battery of eight lawyers, bombarding this little 16-year-old girl with questions. It was bewildering. She didn’t grasp what had happened to her.

    By the time the case came up, she had recovered, but she was overwhelmed. “Where was his hand?” “How were you feeling then?” I intervened, addressing the judge, “Your Honor, firstly, let there be nobody else in the court. This girl cannot handle these questions. Please, exercise restraint in your questioning.”

    In the end, despite the verdict, the father approached me to express his gratitude. He mentioned he intended to arrange his daughter’s marriage. I advised him, “Sadat Sir, it’s unfortunate what happened, but it shouldn’t mar her future. Inform the prospective groom and his family beforehand.”

    Six months later, the chairperson contacted me. The Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee had sent a letter expressing gratitude to the commission, specifically mentioning my assistance. They visited with a box of sweets, sharing that the daughter was happily married. They acknowledged her past and reassured her, “It’s not your daughter’s fault.”

    Some judgments may shake the earth, but this experience profoundly impacted the lives of these two women. As a father, such meaningful milestones resonate deeply with me, as much as I cherish space exploration.

    That’s what is called bringing change to society. How can you say that you have not brought in? You have brought in significant changes. Even if it has touched two lives, it has changed those lives. I really cannot imagine what they have been feeling during that kind of litigation and after following your suggestions and mediation techniques. It’s amazing, ma’am. I am just speechless.

    But I’ll tell you one more thing at the time: this girl, the little girl, had been for cross-examination. My daughter, who’s studying in Welham in Dehradun, was home on holiday, and we used to live in Tilak Marg. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Delhi, but Tilak Marg and across the road is Patiala House.

    So I told her, I said, “Look, you come with me. This girl is about your age, and it takes time. You have to wait till your case gets called up. I want you to come and sit and chat with her because there’ll be nobody; she’ll be sitting alone.” And these two girls are getting along famously.

    And my daughter couldn’t believe it. You know, just to look at Patiala House and all those people and all these things and so forth. I said, “Mahima, this is the world across the road from our house. You live in a very privileged cocoon. Never forget that.”

    The Dr. Sarojini Naidu International Award for Working Women, which you received in the year 2023, is absolutely a remarkable achievement, at least from where I come from. Ma’am, I would like to understand from you what this recognition means to you in both personal and professional spheres, and how you see that all these kinds of recognitions help us. Not only do they ground us, but they also help us understand how we can give more to society because, yes, we are a little privileged, and that is the only way of giving back to society, to the roots. How do you see it has changed you?

    Look, firstly, that intimation, that email I got, came as a complete surprise to begin with. So I had to find out a little bit more about what this was. Anyway, of course, I was very pleased. Anybody would be. But what is wonderful that Mr. Marwah is doing, the people at Marwah Studios, is that I mean, I’m not talking about myself and Space Law because it’s just such a niche area that there is nothing much that I can say.

    But I noticed that all the ladies who were being honored there were not because they were at the very top and they had achieved some extraordinary thing being chairman, CEO, this, that, and the other, but that they were contributing by their participation in the various activities within their radius of life, within the circle of their life. As I quoted you two examples, it’s two individuals whose lives I had the honor to touch.

    These ladies, like I said, are not the ones that you see in the newspapers or on TV channels, but it’s a recognition of the contribution those ladies are making within the scope. So as much as, of course, I was very pleased about it, but I was thrilled at this initiative that Mr. Marwah has, Sandeep Marwah, I think is his name. I think that institution and that thought requires a great deal of credit that ladies everywhere, small town, big town, midtown, elitist housing and non-elitist housing, wherever you may be, but within that scope of your activity, whatever it is that your activity, you’re contributing.

    That is the real thing about that Sarojini Naidu Award.

    But I must tell you that the International Institute of Air Law awarded me a Distinguished Services Award in 2017 for promoting the awareness of outer space and outer space law within the national context. And for my contribution to creating this awareness within my country. And that for me was a true validation that whatever that I may be doing here in India is well worth the while.

    Ma’am, I would love to ask you one, not the last, but almost the last question. How do you balance your personal and professional life? And I would ask you from the very start. From where you started your legal journey, and when you established yourself as an individual practitioner, then as a partner, then in Space Law, and in Air Law, how did you balance your personal and professional life?

    So, like I told you right in the beginning, I did my law much later. After I got married, I completed my PhD. I was actually involved in running an advertising agency. I used to do a lot of writing for Hindustan Times, Indian Express, and magazines, and do travel writing.

    I was with a friend of mine; we were running an advertising agency. All of that allowed me to be at home when my children came back from junior modern school. As they started growing older, then I could stay out of the house because that’s the way I’m temperamentally wired. As it happens, that advertisement my husband was telling me about came at a time when my children had already left for The Doon School and Welham.

    So I was able to do that evening. There was nobody at home because my husband was by then posted in the Andamans. So I used to drive down to the University of Delhi and do evening classes. It just, you know, those dots connected. I was able to start practising in Delhi; my children were in school.

    By the time I was done practising, they had finished school. Ishan was in Stephens, Mahima turned up, she was in Stephens, then he moved on to Cambridge, and I suddenly found myself with Space Law, but my children were grown up by then. Home-life balance is easy, and it is easier when your husband supports you to understand that you have aspirations.

    Ma’am, the thing you just said about partners brings me to a very important question. Nowadays, new entrants to the legal field, whether male or female, often face the challenge of balancing their professional and personal lives. Mental health issues are prevalent. What suggestions or golden nuggets would you offer them?

    When I started practising in Delhi High Court, and I used to go to the ladies’ bar room, I would see young women agonizing because their child was not well, and they had to come to court. I was thinking to myself, “I’m so glad I had the luxury of saying that I’m just going to do a lot of writing and potter around with this ad agency. I’m going to be working from home whenever I feel like being at home.”

    I had the base for that. These young girls, especially in a profession where you’re working long hours, are drafting and meeting clients every other day after the close of court.

    So when I started practising on my own, my children were in college, but they needed a mother when they had something important to tell. Whenever they came to my study and sat on the particular sofa there, I would stop working until we had a discussion, until they had said whatever it was that they wanted to say, however long it took.

    But then I used to work late at night and finish what I had to do because I had deadlines to meet. Circumstances are different for different people. It’s very difficult, especially for women, and those who do it and stay with it, I truly admire them because I know that many young ladies are doing it against tremendous odds and adversity.

    I know a lot of people personally who have done so well. Some have been elevated to the bar. It’s amazing, and it’s not easy, even with support.

    Get in touch with Dr. Ranjana Kaul-

  • “As a Panel Advocate, I developed ethical practising skills and increased my corporate legal field knowledge.” – From Ayurveda to Advocacy: The Transformative Journey of Deen Dayal Purohit, Advocate at the Jaipur High Court & Purohit & Associates,

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Could you please introduce yourself to our readers and walk us through your journey? Also before pursuing your LL.B., you completed a diploma in Ayurveda Ratna. What motivated you to switch to law after seven years in Ayurveda? What inspired you to pursue law?

    Yes, I’ll feel grateful to introduce myself and about my journey to you. From 1985 to 2000, I served as a consultant in the renowned Ayurveda Pharmaceutical company, meanwhile, in 1997 my brother B.P. Chhangani was selected for judicial service. He motivated me to do an LLB course, and as you know I cleared LLB in the year 2000 and started practising as an Advocate from 2000 onwards to continue.

    Could you please elaborate on the main practice areas you specialize in and the types of cases you most frequently handle in your legal practice?

    My main practising areas are Criminal, and Writs in the High Court.

    What responsibilities does your position as a Public Notary for the Government of India entail, and how does it integrate with your other legal work?

    In the tribunals and high courts, documents need to be notarized, so, it is a part of day-to-day professional practice.

    You have been a panel advocate for numerous institutions. How does this role differ from private practice, and what skills have you developed from these experiences? Please share some insights from your work as a panel advocate.

    Panel Advocating work is different from private practice. As a Panel Advocate, I’m working in corporate culture. During my work as a Panel Advocate, I developed ethical practising skills and increased my corporate legal field knowledge. 

    Could you please discuss the significance of the reportable judgments you were involved in, such as Priyanka Shrimali Vs. State of Rajasthan and Hindustan Zinc Ltd. Vs. State of Rajasthan and Ors.? Also you could share some insights from the case.

    In the case of Priyanka Shrimali Vs. State of Rajasthan the significance of this matter was “Married daughter is entitled to the compassionate appointments in the Government service”. Before this judgment, the Married daughter was not entitled to the compassionate appointment. In the case of Hindustan Zinc Ltd. Vs. State of Rajasthan and Ors., the significance of this matter is “the challenge to the vires of provisions of sec 38(C) & 39 of the Act and Rule 24(1) of the Rules fails. The writ petitions are dismissed. However, the petitioners, if aggrieved by the entry made in the provisional assessment list, shall be at liberty to file the appropriate objections before the Assessing authority and in the matters wherein final assessment orders have already been made. The demands have been created, they shall be at liberty to file an appeal before the Appellate Authority, if not already filed, within thirty days from the date of this order. The amount, if any, deposited by the petitioners against the demand created in terms of interim orders passed by this court or otherwise, shall be adjusted against the amount payable to satisfy the condition of pre-deposit for maintainability of the appeal”.

    Beyond your areas of expertise, which other fields of law do you find particularly fascinating or are passionate about exploring further, and why?  

    In Legal Service Authority Act, Insolvency and Bankruptcy Act and Companies Act, but especially in Article 39 A of the constitution of India enacted Legal Service Authority Act because the Legal Service Authority Act, sec 12 is about free and competent legal services for the needy person and other persons that need the justice.

    As an experienced lawyer, what do you think the current generation can do to prepare themselves for successful careers in law and beyond?  

    The current generation has ample opportunities to prepare and develop for successful careers in legal fields, like International Arbitration, Companies Law, Banking Law, Legal Drafting and several other fields.

    Outside of the legal realm, what are your hobbies or interests that help you unwind from the demands of your profession?  

    Outside the legal realm, I’m working for several legal awareness campaigns at various places like schools, colleges, and public places on subjects like POSH, POCSO, IT, CYBER CRIME, SENIOR CITIZEN’S RIGHTS, LABOUR ACT, PCMA ACT etc.

    Could you tell us more about Purohit and Associates, the types of legal practices they specialize in, and what opportunities they offer for interns looking to gain experience in the legal field?  

    The Purohit & Associate practices in the subordinate court, tribunals, High Court, DRT, State Commission and various other fields, and It develops the skill of Associates in practice as well as in the competition of judicial exams and gives enough opportunities to the Associates working under the Purohit & Associates, and also provide opportunities to intern about “earn while learn”.

    Get in touch with Deen Dayal Purohit-

  • “A lawyer must be open-minded and adaptable enough to quickly adjust to different circumstances, for a successful legal practice”- Dushyantha Perera, Partner, Sudath Perera Associates

    This Interview has been published by Pragya Chandni and The SuperLawyer Team

    Can you share with us the journey that led you to specialize in Corporate and Commercial law, particularly in the non-contentious aspect?

    I am a second-generation lawyer, so attending law school, especially coming from a South Asian background, was almost a ‘fait accompli’. However, during law school, I discovered a keen interest in contract and commercial law modules. I found myself drawn to these modules much more than those dealing with subjects such as criminal or constitutional law, and I also realized that I had a natural aptitude for them. This interest led me to pursue internships that would allow me to delve deeper into related fields. My first internship was with the legal department of Unilever Sri Lanka, followed by another at a corporate law firm in Sri Lanka (where I got to directly work on M&A transactions and corporate restructurings). From then on, I never looked back.

    What inspired you to pursue your master’s degree in International Trade Law after your undergraduate studies?

    Pursuing a master’s degree was largely circumstantial. I had just returned to Sri Lanka after completing my LLB and was getting ready to sit for my attorney’s exams. I had also started working with a law firm as a legal assistant, which was a full-time commitment. The master’s degree in question was being administered by the Advanced Legal Studies Unit of the Sri Lanka Law College and was a part-time course specifically targeting working lawyers. Incidentally, it was a first of its kind at the time, although external LLM degrees from UK universities are now offered by various institutions in Sri Lanka. So, when I saw the advertisement, given the specialisation, the timing of classes (Saturdays and one evening a week) and the lecture panel (which consisted of some of the most eminent subject matter experts in the country, including two current Supreme Court judges – Justice Janak de Silva and Justice Arjuna Obeysekera), I was very keen to apply. 

    I would generally advise any young lawyer or aspiring lawyer to get some real-world experience before pursuing a master’s degree or doctorate, unless you’re inclined towards an academic career or very passionate about the topic of study. It shouldn’t simply become an exercise in enhancing your resume.  

    With your experience spanning across different regions and legal systems, particularly Singapore and Sri Lanka, what are some of the key differences you’ve observed in handling cross-border M&A transactions?

    I’ve only practiced in Singapore and Sri Lanka, but both have involved a lot of cross-border work. In the last 6 months alone, I’ve handled acquisitions, corporate restructurings and VC transactions in the US, Kenya, India and Singapore. In my current role I’m predominantly a domestic lawyer in Sri Lanka, focusing on transactional and legal advisory work within the country, but I have some clients from my stint in Singapore keeping me occupied on offshore transactions. My firm also specialises in helping Sri Lankan companies expand internationally. Each jurisdiction is different; sometimes their legal systems are easier to reconcile and understand because of a common history. For example, Sri Lanka and India share a lot of similar laws and administrative practices due to both having been British colonies, and sometimes they can be very different (such as in civil law countries, as I experienced on a power sector investment in Germany a few years back). M&A or projects/project financing work in Singapore, as compared to Sri Lanka for instance, generally involves more sophisticated and voluminous documentation but comparatively less administrative or practical hurdles; this can perhaps be attributed to the maturity and size of the Singaporean economy. 

    A lawyer must be open-minded and adaptable enough to quickly adjust to different circumstances, for a successful legal practice. I think this is true regardless of practice specialisation, and it is a perspective and approach that my firm endeavours to instill in all our new trainees.  

    As a former Executive Committee member of the Sri Lanka Singapore Business Council and Vice-President of the Inter-Pacific Bar Association, how have your involvement in these organizations influenced your approach to legal practice?

    It has reaffirmed my belief in the value and power of networking. The IPBA in particular (as well as the International Bar Association – IBA) is a fantastic place for any lawyer to make connections, learn of developments globally as well as in other jurisdictions and engage in knowledge-sharing. 

    Could you walk us through a particularly complex transaction or project you worked on, highlighting the challenges faced and how you navigated through them?

    That’s a fairly difficult question to answer, as almost all large transactions and projects I’ve handled have come with some form of complexity. 

    One transaction does however stand out, just because of the timing and the circumstances. In mid-December 2021, I was engaged by an international law firm to assist in the sale of the majority shareholding in two Sri Lankan listed companies for a foreign headquartered MNC client. Whilst that would ordinarily be a challenging transaction in itself, this one had to be negotiated and completed during the Christmas break, when most offices in Sri Lanka were closed and I was on a wildlife safari with my family in Chitwan, Nepal! I remember navigating four different time-zones, negotiating documents from the back seat of a safari jeep and roaming around the camp at 4am for some internet connectivity to send out emails. Thankfully I almost never travel without my laptop and a roaming data connection. I also had fantastic support from the transaction intermediaries, including the Colombo Stock Exchange, the brokers, bankers and another Sri Lankan law firm which was acting as a share trustee. They went above and beyond, working through Christmas eve and Christmas day to ensure that we completed the transaction on time. 

    I think it’s important for lawyers to build and maintain close business relationships, particularly with regulators and other professional service providers in the market – you may never know when you need to ask for a favour. I think it’s also important, if you’re an M&A lawyer, to be prepared for a transaction to kick off at any time. Admittedly, this might mean less of a ‘work-life balance’ and more of a ‘work-life blend’. 

    In your opinion, what are some emerging trends or developments in corporate law, especially in the context of evolving regulatory frameworks and global economic shifts?

    From a Sri Lankan viewpoint, I can say that we are seeing a lot more economic activity with India. Between 2013 and 2018, China was arguably the largest source of FDI into the country, particularly towards various infrastructure projects under the Belt-Road Initiative. From 2019 onwards, and particularly post Covid-19, India appears to have taken the overall lead in trade & investment relations with Sri Lanka. This is perhaps a result of PM Modi’s ‘Neighbourhood First’ policy, and consistent with a growing international perception that there is an emergent India – one that is utilising its clout and reach, and leveraging on its potential, as the world’s fifth largest economy. India also appears to be an economic beneficiary of worsening US-China relations, with US and European companies seeking to de-risk and diversify their supply chains. 

    Given the cultural and geographical links, as well as the substantial similarities in legal and administrative frameworks, I’ve long been an advocate for greater economic integration between India and Sri Lanka; it is, now more than ever, ‘low hanging fruit’ towards reaching our own development objectives in a mutually beneficial manner. 

    Finally, considering your wealth of experience, what advice would you offer to law graduates aspiring to specialize in corporate and commercial law, especially in today’s dynamic legal landscape?

    I would say go for it. There are so many emerging practice areas to explore now, within the broader framework of non-contentious corporate and commercial law work, from data privacy to the developments in blockchain technology, cryptocurrency and the use and application of AI. The best way is to get insights and hands-on experience through internships and work placements etc. 

    Get in touch with Dushyantha Perera-

  • “I believe we should have an institute or organization for in-house legal counsel, similar to those for other professions”- Saagar Gaikwad, In-house legal counsel at Bayer Crop Science

    “I believe we should have an institute or organization for in-house legal counsel, similar to those for other professions”- Saagar Gaikwad, In-house legal counsel at Bayer Crop Science

    This Interview has been published by Pragya Chandni and The SuperLawyer Team

    Can you share what initially inspired you to pursue a career in law and how your journey began?

    By a stroke of fate, I found myself on the path to becoming a lawyer just a day before my 12th-grade results. It was a decision made by my father and sister to guide me towards law instead of medicine. Little did I know that this unexpected turn would lead me to a remarkable legal journey.  Was fortunate to meet some great people and books in the legal field.

    I pursued a Bachelor of Laws degree from Shivaji University in Sangli, Maharashtra. Subsequently, I pursued a Master of Laws in Business Law at Symbiosis Law School, where I had enriching experiences such as internships with the Competition Commission of India, contributing to international publications, and engaging in advanced legal research.

    My time at Symbiosis Law School marked the beginning of a remarkable professional journey. I ventured into the corporate sphere, contributing to esteemed organizations such as Kirloskar Brothers Limited, John Deere India, Thermax Limited, and now, Bayer CropScience. Also got the opportunity to work with some great managers.

    Your career spans various notable companies and roles. Can you walk us through the major milestones and transitions in your professional journey?

    Well, there are many, but few are very special, like high stake arbitrations against dealers, NGO’s or PSU’s where you work hard and obtain favourable orders for your company. Arbitration requires continuance focus, as these matters are not time bound and will finish quickly.

    Also implementing a compliances tool from scratch for manufacturing sites, establishments and EPC sites was a great learning experience. Further, implementation of new legislations like HSRP, EPR, Legal Metrology Packaging Rules too enriching experience. Last year I received an award by Legasis for ‘40 Under 40’.

    I started my corporate journey with a capital goods manufacturing and EPC company, where I delved into the intricacies of commercial contracts, navigated complex real estate issues, and delved into the realm of Patents and Trademarks. This experience laid the groundwork for my subsequent endeavors, as I transitioned to an automobile company, where I gained invaluable insights into legal operations, statutory compliances, MACT and labour cases, advising on employment laws, and the complex web of EHS regulations.

    In my subsequent roles within the power/renewable sector, I found myself immersed in a range of commercial disputes spanning India and various regions across the globe. This journey also brought me face to face with the complexities of MSME and IBC issues, enriching my understanding of the multifaceted legal landscape.

    Currently, I stand as a Legal Business Partner for Legal Operations, overseeing sites and their litigations, navigating the contracts, and ensuring adherence to employment laws and EHS regulations.

    As the Legal Business Partner at Bayer CropScience, what are some of the key responsibilities and challenges you face in leading legal operations in India?

    The role of a Legal Business Partner is to serve as a strategic advisor and collaborator within a business, working closely with various stakeholders. Being a part manufacturing site’s leadership team- understand business needs, collaborate and advise on varieties of issues like License to operate, show cause notices from Govt. authorities, leading arbitration/litigation, dealing with complex real estate issues, negotiating commercial contracts & compliances advice.

    India Legal operations have unique challenges- first, Regulatory Complexity- Navigating the intricate web of laws and regulations at the national, state, and local levels, as well as the dynamic nature of regulatory changes, can pose significant challenges for legal operations. Second, Compliance Management-Ensuring real time compliance with a wide array of statutory and regulatory requirements, including labor laws, environmental regulations, tax laws, and industry-specific regulations, requires robust compliance management systems and processes.

    You have many notable achievements in resolving high-stake litigation. Can you tell us more about these experiences and what they entailed?

    It was a profound experience. It demands a strong legal strategy. Further, it involves analyzing complex legal issues, anticipating opposing arguments and being ready with counter strategy. Being an in-house counsel you have to explain the complex business issue to the lawyer in a simple way and explain complex legal issues to business in a simple way, that is the advantage of being an inhouse counsel. It will also teach you  resilience in intense pressure, tight deadlines, and the need to maintain composure. Being a meditation teacher is an advantage.

    You will soon find that the reward for good work is more work.

    However,  I personally believe that litigation and arbitration are expensive, and the recent Mediation Act will  play an important role in future legal disputes.

    Given your extensive experience in various sectors like agriculture, renewable energy, and manufacturing, what are some unique legal challenges you’ve encountered in these industries?

    In any manufacturing industry, more or less, 3 tasks are always there, 1. Employment Laws: Adhering to labor laws, industrial relations, and employment regulations, including issues related to labor disputes, contract labor, and workplace safety, presents legal challenges for manufacturing industries. 2. Product Liability and Consumer Protection: Managing product liability risks, compliance with consumer protection laws, and addressing consumer grievances and product safety standards are critical legal considerations for manufacturers. 3. Environmental Compliance and Pollution Control: Ensuring compliance with environmental laws, pollution control norms, hazardous waste management, and addressing industrial pollution concerns are significant legal challenges for manufacturing entities.

    This is not about legal operations, but I believe we should have an institute or organization for in-house legal counsel, similar to those for other professions. This would help in the growth and development of in-house legal counsel.

    Compliance with regulatory requirements is a critical part of your role. How do you ensure that your company stays ahead of regulatory changes and maintains compliance across various legal domains?

    Technology plays an important role here. We have good numbers of compliance management tools in India, which monitor thousands of compliances and hundreds of legislations in real time.  Further, the tool needs to be updated with the latest legislation. In my personal opinion no tool will work on its own, it is people who make the tool work. The success of a tool will depend on how simple and convenient the tool is. Also, we need to acknowledge employees’ efforts on compliances and compliance needs to be celebrated.

    Shifting gears, GenAI has the potential to significantly impact legal compliances, it can predict and monitor compliance trends, anticipate regulatory changes, automated compliance reporting and provide Compliance Training.  Inhouse counsel needs to take the advantage of the GenAI, my current organization offers a ‘Prompt engineering’ course to employees.

    Finally, what advice would you give to fresh law graduates who are about to embark on their legal careers, especially those interested in working in-house within corporate legal departments?

    In corporate you need to have Business Acumen, understanding the broader business context, including financial implications, risk management and strategic decision-making. You also need meaningful collaboration. Start your journey being a generalist and then move to specialist. And keep enrolling to new courses/programs.

    Get in touch with Saagar Gaikwad-

  • “The legal profession requires mentorship that emphasizes dedication and consistency over the pursuit of superficial markers of success”- Aditya Parolia, Partner at PSP Legal, Advocates & Solicitors

    This Interview has been published by Pragya Chandni and The SuperLawyer Team

    Hello and welcome, today, we are honoured to have with us Mr. Aditya Parolia, who is one of the leading counsels in India for Corporate, Commercial, Real Estate and consumer disputes. 

    Sir, could you kindly share your professional journey with us? We would be particularly interested in learning about what motivated you to pursue a career in law. Furthermore, what inspired you to specialize in corporate, commercial, real estate, and consumer disputes?

    Frankly, when I started pursuing law, it was not a common career choice. I don’t recall anyone in my immediate or extended family being a lawyer.

    Coming from a small town, the focus was predominantly on engineering. Schools and colleges emphasized preparing students for IIT and AIEEE exams. In 11th and 12th grades, I chose PCM with computers, expecting to follow the engineering path. However, it never felt right to me. I strongly believe in not pursuing something that doesn’t feel correct.

    In those days, if you told someone in a small town you were studying law, they often thought you were either not very bright or one of the unruly students who couldn’t handle math or science. My school, an ICSE board school, had a particularly bright batch. One of my batchmates topped the country in the 12th exams and got into IIT. The first seven students in my batch secured good ranks in AIEEE.

    When I informed my principal and class teacher about my decision to pursue law, my class teacher was supportive. However, my principal and relatives tried to counsel me, arguing that I was a bright student and should consider other career options. At that time, many schools in small towns didn’t even offer humanities, let alone law. They only had science and commerce sections, so law wasn’t a natural choice for me initially.

    Fortunately, my father was working in Delhi and interacted with many bureaucrats whose children were studying law. He suggested it to me, and it resonated. I found it interesting when I started reading about it. In my hometown, the district court wasn’t even called a district court—it was known as the “divani kachahari.” The infrastructure was poor, and the earning potential for lawyers was low, making the profession unattractive. Few people knew about national law colleges, and entrance exams often clashed, forcing students to choose between them.

    I’m grateful to my parents for supporting my decision to pursue law. Career counselors in schools rarely mentioned law as an option; it was often seen as a last resort. Most would suggest commerce, DU, or competitive exams like UPSC, but not law. Few in my town could name more than a couple of famous lawyers like Mr. Jethmalani, Mr. Salve, or Mr. Sibal. Today, social media and online court proceedings have increased awareness about the legal profession, but back then, it was quite limited.

    Given these circumstances, I chose to study at Indraprastha University in Delhi, which had only five seats for students from outside Delhi. I believed being in the capital, where all courts are located, would be beneficial. At that time, the concept of corporate practice in law was not well-known to us.

    I’m very happy with my decision to pursue law. My younger brother also followed this path and became an Advocate on Record (AOR). Today, in my hometown, there are several law coaching institutes, but during my time, I had to travel to Jaipur or Delhi for preparation. I finished my board exams in March, and the first law entrance exam was in early May, giving me only a month to prepare. Now, there are more resources and opportunities for aspiring law students in small towns.

    Sir, you have made history and continue to do so, and we hope that you keep making history so that we can proudly say we had the chance to interact with you. You have handled cases for around 73,000 aggrieved home buyers. On that note, Sir, we request you to share your experience managing such a significant number of cases, which is no easy feat. Could you please discuss the challenges you faced and the types of cases that arose from this scenario?

    Furthermore, we would love to understand how you became involved in such a substantial case and how you have helped these home buyers. This is a crucial matter, as for many, purchasing a home is a lifetime investment and a matter of survival. Although people may have more options today, I am certain that you are highly respected by those 73,000 home buyers for your efforts.

    Yes, today we can confidently say that we are leading practitioners in this domain. We likely have the highest number of clients in the country, spanning every sector and segment of society. Our clientele includes politicians, actors, retired judges, bureaucrats, corporates, high-net-worth individuals (HNWIs), ultra-high-net-worth individuals (UHNWIs), and private induvials as well. We do not like to say no to anyone who approaches us for help. 

    When we began this practice, we did not specifically aim to specialize in this domain. In litigation, we initially took on every kind of case that came our way. Litigation is not easy; it demands immense effort and versatility. As a renowned lawyer once told me, litigation is like digging a well every day to fetch water, only to start anew the next day.

    A good friend, who was my batchmate, once shared a piece of wisdom that remains close to my heart. He said, “Aditya, everyone wants to specialize in something, but in law, you don’t choose your practice area. It’s like a democracy where people choose for you.” This insight resonated with our experience, as our practice evolved naturally based on the cases that came to us.

    We initially handled a wide array of cases, including civil cases, criminal bail applications, and matrimonial matters. We travelled frequently to places like Allahabad and Chandigarh. However, due to our court engagements in Delhi, I hardly travel now. During this time, the real estate market was booming, and we began to receive more cases related to this sector.

    The real estate market was characterized by rapid buying and selling, often driven by speculative investments. However, there was no regulatory regime in place, leading to overselling and eventual stagnation. This lack of regulation, coupled with the greed of builders, caused numerous projects to halt. As a result, many homebuyers were left without the properties they had paid for.

    During this period, a prominent family from Bollywood approached us with a case against a builder, JP. This was in 2014-15, and the builder had failed to deliver the property by the promised date in 2011. Initially, we suggested using the Consumer Protection Act, but the client wanted to involve other affected buyers. We were surprised to find that there were 242 such buyers. This marked the beginning of a new jurisprudence in India, where class actions became more prevalent.

    As we took on more cases, our practice grew rapidly. We handled high-profile cases, such as those against Amrapali, and our numbers swelled to the point where we had to expand our team significantly. At one point, we had to manage an influx of 3,000 clients in just seven days, which was a logistical challenge.

    Our firm has since become a leading name in handling real estate and commercial disputes. We have played a significant role in shaping the legal landscape in these areas, with our cases often resulting in landmark judgments. Today, our team has grown to around 40-45 members, and we continue to manage a high volume of cases daily.

    Despite the challenges, we are grateful for the trust our clients have placed in us. We always strive to give our best, though it’s impossible to satisfy everyone. The sheer volume of documents we handle is immense, and we have undoubtedly made our ragman very wealthy.

    In conclusion, while we never anticipated specializing in this domain, it has become our primary focus over the past eight or nine years. We are proud of our contributions to the field and grateful for the opportunities that have come our way. Our practice continues to thrive, driven by the love and support of our clients and the dedication of our team.

    Sir, it appears that your specialization chose you, and now you are recognized as the leading authority in this particular legal domain. The remarkable success you have achieved is not only a result of divine favor but also due to the hard work and dedication of your team towards home buyers.

    During this journey, you have been highly active in national media, frequently being invited as a special guest on various channels to discuss legal matters.

    In light of your experiences and insights, what do you believe are the most pressing issues of national importance in the current legal landscape? Considering the disruptions we are witnessing in the legal field, what future developments do you foresee, especially given your role as a prominent disruptor in this domain?

    Nobody can foresee the future; I can assure you of this. Nobody can predict deception. I’ll take your questions one by one, in bits and pieces, but I’ll start from the end with the disruption part. Very frankly, as I said, I did not choose it, nor did we; the people chose it for us. We were just there at the right place at the right time. I always tell everyone that you just have to keep working hard. The Almighty has written your destiny, my destiny, everyone’s destiny. So, if you’re working hard, you’re moving towards your goal.

    When destiny knocks on your door, and you’re there to open it and seize the opportunity, that’s all that is required. If you’re sleeping and waiting for the day to come before you act, it never happens. I’ve worked with some of the best lawyers as a student, and I didn’t work much as a junior or younger colleague. I barely did my traineeship for six months before we decided to open this law office. I’ve always taught my younger colleagues that while you have to put in constant effort and energy, consistency is key. You never know when that door will open or when someone will knock.

    You mentioned the future. Everyone predicts that AI is the future, so you can pursue laws in AI. When I was a student, everyone thought arbitration and intellectual property rights were the right fields to pursue. There are hundreds and thousands of domains nobody has explored. For instance, we specialize in the Consumer Protection Act and the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code (IBC). Nobody in law school considered a career in these areas because they weren’t even established back then. The Delhi Commercial Courts Act wasn’t there either. So, what went right for us? We were consistent. When opportunity knocked, we seized it and delivered results with a pragmatic approach, informing clients about what could and couldn’t be done. We never assured anyone of a specific outcome because, in law, it’s unethical to do so.

    I’ve also tried my hand in matrimonial law, although I no longer practice it. I respect my sister, who does, because dealing with such cases is not easy. It involves handling emotional trauma, and it takes a significant mental toll. I’ve seen the best lawyers struggle with this.

    Speaking of the future again, AI is a rat race. Students come to me for internships or interviews saying they want to do IBC or intellectual property rights. But I tell them what my dean at law school, Simon Chesterman, told me: read something new and try something different. For example, sports law is a burgeoning field with the rise of leagues like the IPL and Kabaddi. Few lawyers practice it, and it has huge potential. Similarly, gambling laws and laws related to cryptocurrencies are emerging fields.

    I’ll give you an example. Two of my law school classmates are now policy lawyers at Twitter and Facebook. When we were in law school, we never considered such careers. These social media companies have to adhere to national policies and constantly engage with regulators. Policies vary from country to country, and what’s banned in one place might not be in another. This was a domain we never imagined practicing in.

    So, I tell every student to keep their mind open. Don’t decide in your first year of law school that you’re going to be a litigating lawyer or a corporate lawyer. Explore different areas and see what resonates with you. Recently, a younger colleague at our firm realized litigation wasn’t for him and decided to pursue academia. There’s no harm in that. A good lawyer can excel in various fields, not just in corporate or litigation.

    During a tour in Istanbul, I met a lawyer from Chile who was pursuing his master’s in Germany, specializing in Antarctic law, dealing with exploration and sovereignty rights. These are areas most law students wouldn’t even consider. When I did my master’s, I studied aviation law and space law, which are hardly taught in Indian law schools. Today, with the rise of electronic vehicles and companies like SpaceX, these areas are very relevant.

    Younger students should consider these emerging domains. If they work hard and stay consistent, they will do exceptionally well. It’s important to understand the practice area you’re entering.

    Regarding media and news channels, the glamour initially attracts everyone. It’s an opportunity for exposure. When the real estate market crashed and big companies like JP and Amrapali failed, we were called upon to address these issues on news channels. The insolvency laws were new, and there were few experts. But over time, I’ve stopped going on news channels unless it’s something very special. It’s important to balance professional and personal life and give adequate time to family, not just focus on career.

    I hope I’ve answered your question about media involvement.

    Sir, considering your emphasis on maintaining a balance between personal and professional life, my next question pertains to that topic.

    Firstly, how do you achieve this balance? Secondly, once you find that balance, what activities do you enjoy outside of learning about law? For example, you mentioned gaining insights into Antarctic law and sovereignty rights through your travels. Sir, we would love to hear more about this, as it will help our learners understand the various pursuits they can engage in besides studying law.

    It’s 5:40 PM, Madam. By this time, I start packing my bag. The maximum usual time for me to leave the office is 6:30 PM, and I believe my team should also leave around this time. I think my team leaves by 7:30 or 8:00 PM. It is very important that we manage our time. Unfortunately, in our profession, we often talk about stipends and salaries, but we rarely discuss mental health and well-being.

    I believe that once you balance your time with your family, your mental well-being will improve. This is hardly discussed, and I am a strong advocate for maintaining a perfect balance between professional and personal life. Although I am relatively young in this profession, I have seen a lot with my batchmates, peers, and the opportunities we have had. We have the chance to argue cases against the best senior advocates in the country. Every day, we appear in almost every appellate court, which allows us to interact with top equity partners and law firms. However, I feel that younger lawyers, and we as lawyers, often get lost in the race to make more money or excel in a particular field, leading to burnout. Many of my law school batchmates have experienced this.

    Despite not being in practice for long, some of the youngest lawyers I know have burned out and left traditional domains of law. Some have moved to in-house positions, opened their own smaller practices, or left law entirely for academics. I don’t understand people working until 11:00 PM or getting up at 4:00 AM every day. If you wake up at 4:00 AM to do yoga or go for a walk, that’s fine. If you play sports, that’s even better. But I don’t appreciate people calling me after 6:30 PM. Some clients criticize this because they get free from work late, but I tell them that their lack of time management shouldn’t affect my personal life. I am in the office from 9:30 AM to 6:30 PM. You can email me, but I will only work during these hours. If I need to prepare for the next day, I might spend an extra half hour or an hour at night reading files, but I will not jeopardize my personal life for others’ lack of time management.

    A friend of mine, a very gifted lawyer, joined a good law firm and recently got married. He used to come home at 12:00 am, 1:00 am and at times 3:00 AM, by the time he was up the next day, his wife, who is not a lawyer, was leaving for work. Their entire married life was in turmoil. This story is not unique; many people have told me the same thing. I asked another senior friend about this, and we concluded that the work can often be done earlier. However, delegating tasks to younger colleagues at 8:00 PM or 9:00 PM with deadlines of 2:00 AM or 3:00 AM is unrealistic and has become a norm. Trying to satisfy clients by delivering work quickly in this competitive spirit often brings out the worst in us.

    Some of the best lawyers suffer from poor mental health, although it is rarely discussed. I’ve seen younger lawyers develop health issues like high blood pressure and diabetes. I don’t understand why. In law firm culture, I see this problem as well. I run a law firm, and I tell new hires that while we have designations like associate, senior associate, and principal, I am against this hierarchical structure. It is there to keep people happy because they want it, for me a lawyer is a lawyer, designations create unnecessary competition.

    Think about it: if you make lawyers partners at 33 or 34, they have to work until 60. After becoming a partner, their next goal is to become an equity partner. This constant pursuit can diminish their determination, which symbolic goals are achieved so early. You fight to become a partner, and once you achieve that, you might lose the drive. It’s essential to manage your career and life, rather than getting caught up in the rat race of titles and designations.

    Advocates getting designated as senior advocates is different from the law firm hierarchy of associate levels. I believe law firms need to appreciate and possibly do away with this quick succession of designations, adopting a more uniform approach to maintain mental health and well-being.

    There’s an unnatural competition that develops, not just with other law firms but internally, where people vie to become senior associates or managing partners. This should be addressed and highlighted. We need to educate the younger generation that these titles mean nothing if you are not mentally healthy. If you are a good lawyer, success will come no matter what. Don’t get caught in the race for titles. Judges & clients don’t care about your title, it is not that you are getting knighted; they care about your ability to argue a case well and get results.

    The best lawyers always maintain a balance between their professional and personal lives. This profession is a marathon, not a sprint. Your family has supported you, and you have duties towards them. They need your time, and you should fulfill their expectations as well. Dedicating equal time to family is important for your mental peace.

    I’m not saying I am perfect or never get angry, but my partner and I strive to go home early. When we are in the office, we are dedicated to work, but we also play sports, travel with our families, and socialize with our teams. Striking this perfect balance is crucial.

    Sir, considering that some individuals may not enjoy the same privileges as others have had, how do we address this disparity to ensure that new entrants experience similar support and care, particularly those from humble backgrounds who rely on community support? Additionally, do you foresee an increasing focus on mental health discussions within the legal fraternity in the near future?

    “It is imperative that senior members of the bar and the judiciary engage in discussions on crucial topics with the younger generation. It is necessary to elucidate to them that not everyone needs to possess luxury items such as a Mercedes or a Patek Philippe watch. Even individuals from humble backgrounds can thrive without such extravagances. This mindset shift is essential.

    During informal discussions outside the courtroom, I always emphasize to judges the importance of not berating younger lawyers but instead offering them opportunities. 

    Now, turning to the pressing issue of mental health, it is vital for everyone to understand that not all legal paths lead to high-profile cases or lucrative positions. Each individual’s journey in the legal profession is unique, filled with its own challenges and struggles.

    For instance, third or fourth generation lawyers from legacy families face immense pressure to live up to their predecessors’ reputations. Similarly, first-generation lawyers bear the weight of carving out their own paths in an unforgiving profession. It’s crucial for the younger generation to realize that success in law comes in various forms and that comparing oneself to others’ glamorous achievements only tells part of the story.

    My own journey began without a personal vehicle, and relying on buses and metros to commute. However, through perseverance and interactions with seasoned professionals, I learned that success in law is not solely determined by material possessions or prestigious cases.

    For instance, one of my professors from law school Professor Umakanth Varottil, a renowned expert in mergers and acquisitions, transitioned from a successful legal career to academia, demonstrating the importance of evolving and adapting in one’s professional journey. 

    The pressure to excel in high-profile areas of law, such as mergers and acquisitions or banking and finance, can be overwhelming for young lawyers. However, it’s essential to remember that success is not defined by early career choices or external validations.

    The legal profession requires mentorship that emphasizes dedication and consistency over the pursuit of superficial markers of success. Additionally, maintaining good mental health is paramount, as undue stress and burnout can have severe consequences.

    In conclusion, aspiring lawyers should focus on honing their skills, serving their clients diligently, and maintaining their humanity above all else. Success in law is not measured by material possessions or prestigious titles but by one’s integrity, dedication, and contribution to society.”

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  • “Preparation and patience are the key virtues for any litigation lawyer. You may not get favorable orders every day, and therefore, you should carefully weigh all factors and avoid pushing your luck.” – Arjun Mahajan, Founder and Managing Partner at Expert Legal Services

    “Preparation and patience are the key virtues for any litigation lawyer. You may not get favorable orders every day, and therefore, you should carefully weigh all factors and avoid pushing your luck.” – Arjun Mahajan, Founder and Managing Partner at Expert Legal Services

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Reflecting on your journey, what initially drew you to pursue a career in law, and what inspired you to choose this path? Could you share some of the challenges you faced during your early days in the legal profession and how you overcame them? 

    My first inspiration towards the legal profession came from my father who himself was a lawyer and practiced income-tax for a few years in Jammu and Kashmir. While my father’s initial footsteps were in law, he eventually transitioned to the family business of manufacturing high tension aluminum wires. However, he would always lovingly recount memoirs and anecdotes from his practice days and would consistently motivate me to take up law as a profession. From a very young age, I was exposed to the intricacies of the legal world through his work, experiences and stories. His influence remained a constant in my life, serving as a beacon of inspiration as I forged my own path in the legal profession. His commitment to integrity, diligence, and service instilled in me a deep respect for the law and a desire to become a lawyer.

    Entering the legal profession, I encountered a range of challenges typical of any newcomer to the field. One of the most significant hurdles was navigating the transition from academic halls of college to practical application of law in Courtrooms. The theoretical knowledge gained in law school provided a solid foundation, but applying that knowledge in real-world scenarios required a different skill set altogether. Be that as it may, I guess I always had the vision and belief in myself to navigate these challenges. Even though I come from a small town, Jammu, I decided to practice in the capital of the country, which offers the best exposure to fresh law graduates. I was never attracted to practice in the comfort of my hometown. 

    Another challenge was building credibility and establishing myself within the legal community. As a young lawyer, earning the trust of seniors, clients and colleagues was quintessential for success. I faced skepticism and uncertainty from some quarters, but I approached each interaction with unwavering professionalism, competence, and a commitment to excellence. Over time, through hard work and dedication, I earned a reputation for integrity and competence, gradually gaining the confidence of those around me.

    Despite these challenges, the inspiration that I drew from my father’s example kept me focused and motivated. His unwavering support and blessings and belief in my abilities gave me the strength to persevere during the tough times and celebrate the victories along the way. Reflecting on my journey, I am grateful for the foundation he provided and the lessons he imparted, which continue to guide me in my career as a lawyer.

    Your journey from Associate to founding your own full service law firm, i.e., Expert Legal Services is inspiring. What personal qualities or characteristics do you believe played a significant role in your career progression, and how do you nurture these traits in your team members? 

    Reflecting on my journey, I believe that humility, focus, hard work, attention to detail, approachability and giving precedence to the interest of the client have been the core tenets of my practice. I cannot single out any one quality that helped in my career progression and it is always the right mix of attitude, aptitude, luck and hard work that helps you grow.

    While mentoring my team members, I focus on their all-round development. I give them exposure to deal with clients independently under my supervision and to argue matters before various forums. This provides them with the much-needed exposure and also helps them in learning from their own mistakes and enables them to think on their feet. I always tell them to learn from their lows and to perform better. I am otherwise, in my peers’ view, an easy going and jovial person. This in my view helps them to perform without any stress and anxiety and to give their best in everything that they do. I also encourage open communication and constructive criticism. By fostering an environment, based on core values, we promote collaboration, respect, and continuous growth within our team.

    Given your expertise in litigation, could you share a memorable anecdote that exemplifies the dynamic nature of legal advocacy and the importance of quick thinking under pressure?

    I believe every day in court brings new lessons and stories. Through divine grace, I have been blessed with the opportunity to represent clients in diverse jurisdictions, providing me with first hand insight into the dynamics of these various courts across India. I believe that preparation and patience are the key virtues for any litigation lawyer. You may not get favorable orders everyday and therefore, you should carefully weigh all factors and avoid pushing your luck.  

    While there are many instances in my 17 years of practice, a recent incident that vividly comes to my mind, where a case demanded urgent interim protection for our client in securing a disputed amount. The opposing party was in the process of winding up their operations in the country and therefore, swift action was imperative. We immediately approached the court  and recognizing our urgency, the court directed the party to obtain prior permission before parting with their assets in India. At the end, we had a very happy and contented client. 

    Instances like these are the heartbeat of daily courtroom engagements, offering invaluable learning opportunities for legal practitioners at every level. In the realm of law, growth is perpetual, and each day brings forth new lessons to enrich our understanding.

    Your clientele includes renowned fortune 500 companies spanning different industries. What are some common legal issues or trends you have observed across these sectors and how do you tailor your approach to address their specific needs? 

    In my experience, serving a diverse clientele across various industries has exposed me to several  legal issues and trends. Every industry has its own set of issues and there is an overlapping legal trend as such. Consequently, there is no one-size-fits-all solution when it comes to addressing these diverse challenges. As a lawyer, it is our responsibility to tailor our approach to each unique situation, providing customized solutions that best align with the specific needs and circumstances of our clients.

    One requires a comprehensive understanding of both the legal framework and the practical realities of the business world, to successfully cater the needs of any client. At Expert Legal Services, we try to achieve the best possible outcome for the client while ensuring compliance with legal requirements and ethical standards. Cultivating an approach that prioritizes innovation, collaboration and problem-solving, has helped our clients succeed in an ever-evolving business environment. 

    Collaborating with esteemed legal professionals such as Senior Advocate Mr. Amarjit Singh Chandhiok, Senior Advocate Mr. Siddharth Luthra and Mr. Raian Karanjawala must have provided invaluable insights. Can you share a lesson or mentorship experience that significantly influenced your legal career?

    Certainly, being associated with esteemed legal luminaries like Senior Advocate Mr. Amarjit Singh Chandhiok, Senior Advocate Mr. Siddharth Luthra and Mr. Raian Karanjawala has provided me with invaluable experiences that have profoundly shaped my legal career. These experiences have instilled in me values of perseverance, decision making, hardwork and efficiency. From understanding the minutiae to grasping the broader legal implications, I have learned that attention to detail is of paramount importance. Moreover, the significance of punctuality has also been deeply ingrained in me. 

    One important lesson that I learnt from Mr. Chandhiok was that a good lawyer is one who is not impacted by the outcome of the case. One should always give their best and leave the rest to the judge. 

    As someone deeply entrenched in the legal domain, how do you maintain a work-life balance amidst the demanding nature of the profession? Are there any mindfulness practice or routines that you find particularly beneficial in managing stress and staying focused?

    Balancing work and life in the legal profession, especially in litigation, is indeed a constant juggle. While striving for equilibrium between professional demands and personal well-being, I’ve found that maintaining a structured approach to my workday helps manage this delicate balance. Each task is allocated a specific time slot, allowing for a more disciplined workflow.

    However, the unpredictable nature of legal practice means that flexibility is key. Clients may require urgent assistance at any hour, whether it’s seeking bail or filing a habeas corpus writ. In such instances, attending to these immediate needs takes precedence, often disrupting planned schedules. Nonetheless, amidst the demanding nature of the profession, I make a conscious effort to carve out time for personal pursuits and family. Engaging in hobbies or spending quality time with loved ones serves as a crucial counterbalance to the intensity of legal work.

    Your expertise in navigating anti-bribery and anti-corruption investigations is commendable. What proactive measures do you recommend to prevent such occurrences in businesses?

    To overcome illegal practices, I always advice clients to follow best practices and confirm to ethical standards. It is also important to introduce a system of checks and balances for early detection of any such occurrences.  Swift Action can help the companies to minimize the impact and nip such instances in the bud. Though, one cannot guarantee against any possible leaks but in my view, this shall considerably safeguard the exposure to a significant extent.  

    Beyond legal practice, you’re known for your philanthropic efforts. How do you integrate social responsibility into your professional life, and do you believe there’s a symbiotic relationship between community engagement and legal advocacy?

    Compassion, generosity and large heartedness are again virtues that I have inherited from my parents. Their dedication and persistent desire to help others has left a profound impact on me. I was always taught to help the poor and the needy. This is an extremely relevant trait that I also wish to pass on to my daughters. I also believe that being an advocate comes with a profound responsibility to serve the less fortunate, especially within the context of the legal system. 

    At our firm, we prioritize social responsibility and actively integrate it into our daily practice. We are committed to serving not only our well to do clients but also individuals and causes that may not have the means to afford legal representation. We are engaged in various pro bono matters, dedicating our time and expertise to assist marginalized communities, champion social justice causes, and address systemic inequalities. To give an example, we recently assisted a young boy who had been charged under POCSO and was languishing in jail and helped him in securing bail from the High Court.  I see a clear symbiotic relationship between community engagement and legal advocacy. Our involvement in the community fosters trust, builds meaningful relationships, and amplifies the voices of those who may otherwise go unheard. 

    You’ve been instrumental in mentoring young lawyers throughout your career. What advice do you impart to aspiring lawyers entering the field today, and what qualities do you believe are essential for success in the legal profession? 

    Certainly, mentoring young lawyers has been a rewarding aspect of my career, and I’m always eager to share insights with aspiring lawyers entering the field today. My advice to young lawyers is that success is not an overnight journey and requires considerable hard work, toil and burning the midnight oil. The key to success lies in developing expertise and being consistent and punctual in your work. Invest in your work and you’re bound to reap success. Also, it is important to realize that one should not get disheartened by adversities and remember that the castle of success is not built on victories  but on failure.   

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  • “Adjusting and adapting to the needs and requirements of clients and tailoring the services to the specific needs of each client is the best way to go.” – Fauzia Khan, Legal Consultant at Paoletti Law Group

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Your career spans over 15 years, with diverse experiences in corporate law and litigation. Could you share with us how your journey began and evolved to your current role as a Legal Consultant at Paoletti Law Group? Please walk us through your Journey from choosing Law as a career to working in Dubai? 

    Law has always been my calling. Since the age of 14, I have had a deep desire to pursue a career in law. Despite coming from a business-oriented family, I knew that my path lay in the legal profession. I am the first lawyer in my family in 3 generations.

    My journey in law began with my internship under the guidance of a senior advocate in Gauhati High Court in the year 2009. My senior, Mr. S.S. Sharma was a very patient and attentive teacher, and I learned a lot from him. I practiced under my senior’s guidance for 4 years and then started my own independent practice. 

    My thirst for knowledge is what led me to Dubai, UAE. I wanted to learn and experience law on an international level and Dubai offered me the perfect opportunity to do so. I landed in Dubai, UAE just before the lockdown in 2020, but I was blessed to still have found work here. 

    Throughout my career I have encountered an endless supply of legal issues, most of them demanding a unique solution. Navigating and resolving these issues have constantly kept me going. I love facing new challenges and finding out different ways of solving them. 

    As a legal consultant, you’ve navigated various legal landscapes, from India to Dubai. How do you perceive the differences in legal practice and client expectations between these regions, and how has this impacted your approach to advising clients?

    Having experience in both India and UAE jurisdiction, I have had the opportunity to deal with diverse legal landscapes and understand the nuances of the expectation a client may have in each region. In both India and UAE, clients may have different legal requirements, but their needs, overall, are similar. All a client wants is someone to guide them through the legal maze and provide support and solutions for their issues.

    Adjusting and adapting to the needs and requirements of clients and tailoring the services to the specific needs of each client is the best way to go. By utilizing my knowledge and expertise, I offer strategic and pragmatic advice that tackles each unique challenge and difficulties encountered by each client.

    Moving from India to Dubai for your legal career marks a significant transition. What factors influenced your decision to relocate, and how has this move impacted your professional growth and experiences? 

    Like I have explained already, my thirst for knowledge and zeal to learn about law on an international level is what brought me to Dubai, UAE. Since moving here, I have had the good fortune to grow both personally and professionally. Working in Dubai has exposed me to diverse cultures, legal systems and business practices broadening my skill set as a legal consultant. This experience has been vital in shaping my understanding of cross-border legal practices. 

    Overall, the decision to move to Dubai, UAE has been instrumental in the development of my professional career. 

    Your role involves advising on Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) matters. Could you elaborate on how you integrate ESG principles into your legal strategies, and why they are increasingly important in today’s business landscape?

    Integrating Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) principles into legal strategies involves a multi-faceted approach that encompasses compliance with environment regulations, promoting social responsibilities and best practices. This includes advising on risk mitigation strategies, conducting due diligence on ESG issues, and implementing policies and procedures to ensure compliance with applicable laws and standards. By aligning legal advice with ESG objectives, organizations can enhance their reputation, mitigate risks, and drive sustainable growth.

    Considering your experience in international legal consulting, particularly in the UAE, what unique insights have you gained about cross-border legal practices and the challenges involved?

    My experience in international legal consulting, particularly in the UAE, has provided me with unique insights into cross-border legal practices and the challenges involved. One of the key challenges in cross-border legal practice is navigating the complexities of different legal systems, cultural norms, and business practices, which can vary significantly from one jurisdiction to another. I strive to provide clients with advice that addresses their legal needs and helps them achieve their business objectives in an increasingly interconnected world.

    Your expertise in drafting legal documents ranging from complex joint venture agreements to trademark registrations is commendable. What strategies do you employ to ensure clarity and efficacy in your drafting process? Any tips for students? 

    Drafting any kind of a legal document requires extensive research and accurate analysis of the issues and requirements involved in drafting that particular document. This includes reviewing relevant statutes and industry norms to ensure that the document is legally sound and meets the objectives of the parties involved. 

    For students aiming to excel in legal drafting, I recommend prioritizing clarity, precision, and meticulous attention to detail. Proper research and analytical skills, along with honing the ability to convey intricate legal concepts in straightforward language, will be instrumental in shaping their success in future legal endeavours.

    With the demands of your profession, maintaining work-life balance is crucial. How do you unwind and rejuvenate after challenging days or intense legal engagements, and how do these activities contribute to your overall effectiveness as a legal consultant?

    With the demands of my profession, maintaining a healthy work-life balance is crucial to my overall well-being and effectiveness. After challenging days or intense legal engagements, I prioritize activities that help me unwind. One of my favourite ways of unwinding is spending time with my family and friends. Additionally, I find solace in travelling and exploring new places. Engaging in these activities rejuvenates me, enabling me to return to work with renewed energy.

    With your extensive experience in diverse legal matters, what advice would you offer to aspiring lawyers looking to build a successful career in corporate law and litigation, especially in today’s rapidly evolving legal landscape?

    Aspiring lawyers aiming to build a successful career in the legal field should focus on several key points:

    First and foremost, continuous learning is essential. Stay updated on the latest developments through ongoing education, attending seminars, webinars, and conferences, and engaging in professional development opportunities. Networking is another key aspect of building a successful legal career. Build a strong professional network by connecting with colleagues, mentors, and industry professionals. Embrace new technologies and methodologies that can improve efficiency and effectiveness in your practice. Develop strong communication skills, both written and verbal, as effective communication is essential for a successful legal career. Uphold the highest standards of ethics and professionalism in your practice to build trust with clients and colleagues.

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  • “Emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence are poised to revolutionize various aspects of the legal profession. Cultivate resilience by maintaining a positive attitude, embracing adversity as an opportunity for growth” – Ritesh Kumar, Advocate-on-Record, Supreme Court of India

    “Emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence are poised to revolutionize various aspects of the legal profession. Cultivate resilience by maintaining a positive attitude, embracing adversity as an opportunity for growth” – Ritesh Kumar, Advocate-on-Record, Supreme Court of India

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Could you please share with us your journey into the legal profession? What initially inspired you to pursue law, and what challenges did you encounter during your formative years in the field?

    My journey into the legal profession was not pre-planned but rather a serendipitous occurrence that unfolded unexpectedly. 

    While my initial career aspirations varied in many different directions, fate had other plans in store for me.

    I was doing a chartered accountancy course along with my graduation when I took Delhi University’s LLB entrance test in the final year of my graduation and got selected. I completed my law in 2002 from the Campus Law Centre, Delhi University, and that is how my journey into the legal world began. 

    In my initial years into the profession, I had the privilege to work under Hon’ble Justice Siddharth Mridul, who was then the Standing Counsel for Union of India in Delhi High Court and thereafter with Mr. Amarjit Singh Chandhiok, Senior Advocate. Working in the office of a standing counsel does provide a great deal of opportunity and it immensely benefited me too. Working in the most sought-after senior’s chamber in Delhi High Court inculcated discipline. It not only shaped my career but has also enriched my life in ways I could never have imagined.  

    With a special penchant for litigation, I decided against joining a law firm and chose to establish my own independent practice. Despite my enthusiasm, the journey was not without its challenges. As a first-generation lawyer, I lacked the familial connections and resources that are often advantageous in navigating the legal landscape. However, I refused to let these obstacles deter me. Instead, I embraced them as opportunities for growth and learning.

    Yet, it was precisely this avant-garde journey that imbued me with a unique perspective and a tenacity to succeed. I embraced each challenge as an opportunity for growth, seizing every chance to expand my knowledge and hone my skills.

    What motivated you to pursue and successfully complete the Advocate-on-Record (AOR) exam for the Supreme Court of India?

    Initially, I did not realise the importance of being an AoR and did not take the examination despite being eligible in 2007-2008 itself, i.e., after 5 years of practice. However, I realised my mistake when it became evident that Supreme Court practise is an integral part of litigation and being an AoR is a clear advantage, more so, for a first-generation lawyer like me. Many of my peers went on to successfully qualify the exam and with their encouragement and support I also took the exam and became an AoR in my first attempt in 2011. 

    You have been involved in cross-border commercial disputes. Could you elaborate on the unique challenges and strategies required in such cases?

    Since arbitration is a mechanism of resolution of disputes that, unlike court, takes place in private, it is always open to the parties to choose the substantive law and law governing the arbitration agreement as well as the seat and venue of the arbitration. Problems arising out of an arbitration call for the application of proper law of the contract, which is the law governing the contract creating the substantive rights of the parties; proper law of the arbitration agreement; and curial law, i.e., the law governing the conduct of the arbitration. Lawyers are confronted with situations where all these three may differ. Thus, one of the primary challenges in cross-border disputes is jurisdictional issues and matters related therewith. Determining the appropriate forum for resolution can at times be complex, owing to the parties based in different countries with conflicting laws and regulations. Also, building strong relationships with local counsel can be instrumental in achieving successful outcomes in cross-border disputes.

    As a member of Insol International, how does your expertise contribute to resolving insolvency and restructuring matters?

    Development in any other branch of law in India, in all likelihood, cannot be matched by the pace at which the insolvency regime contained in the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code has evolved in the short period that it has been in existence in India. 

    INSOL International is a federation of national associations of professional who specialise in turnaround and insolvency. It facilitates key stakeholders to come together and share experiences by promoting best practices and providing a forum for debate on key issues facing the industry and the profession. Through this organisation, I am constantly exposed to the latest developments, trends, and best practices in insolvency and restructuring from around the world. This global perspective allows me to adapt and apply innovative strategies that have proven successful in different jurisdictions.

    With your extensive experience in telecommunications and technology-related litigation, how do you anticipate the impact of emerging technologies on future legal disputes?

    The rapid pace of technological innovation has reshaped the legal landscape, presenting both opportunities and challenges for lawyers and their clients.

    Emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning are poised to revolutionize various aspects of the legal profession, including case analysis, document review, and predictive analytics, which have the potential to streamline legal processes, improve decision-making, and enhance the efficiency of legal services. 

    Our Supreme Court has already started publishing the transcript of the hearing in select cases using Artificial Intelligence to transcribe hearings. 

    I see innovative technologies reducing administrative work for lawyers. However, it is unlikely that technologies and AI will replace human lawyers and judges. 

    You’ve been appointed as Arbitrator by the Delhi High Court multiple times. How does this experience contribute to your understanding of legal procedures and responsibilities? Please share some insights from this role.

    The Hon’ble Chief Justice of India had recently remarked that the arbitration space in India resembles an old boy’s club. He highlighted how only retired judges dominate arbitral appointments, and, in the process, several promising candidates (such as lawyers and academicians) are overlooked. 

    I am glad to share that the Delhi High Court does appoint lawyers as arbitrators.  Serving as an arbitrator appointed by the Delhi High Court is a significant and enriching experience that has deepened my understanding of legal procedures and responsibilities in dispute resolution. This role has afforded me invaluable insights into the complexities of arbitration proceedings and the nuances of adjudicating disputes outside the traditional court system. Additionally, this role has underscored the importance of effective case management and maintain procedural integrity in arbitration proceedings.

    Beyond the courtroom, how do you engage in community outreach or pro bono work to promote access to justice and legal literacy among underserved populations?

    Being the first one, in my entire family, to choose law as my profession, I do recognize the barriers that many individuals and communities face in accessing legal assistance. My office is open to everyone and anyone seeking any legal assistance. I am also empanelled with The High Court of Delhi (Middle Income Group) Legal Aid Society and I actively seek opportunities to leverage my skills and expertise to make a positive impact outside of traditional legal settings. My pro-bono work is driven by a deep-seated belief in the importance of promoting access to justice and legal literacy for all. 

    Outside of law, what hobbies or interests do you pursue that contribute to your professional development or enhance your perspective as a legal practitioner?

    Balancing professional with personal interests is essential for maintaining a well-rounded perspective as a legal practitioner. One of my passions outside of law is literature and writing. I try to keep abreast of current affairs and make it a point to read couple of newspapers including financial ones.  Additionally, I am an avid traveller and explorer. Traveling not only exposes me to diverse cultures, languages, and customs but also challenges me to adapt to new environments and navigate unfamiliar terrain—a skill that is invaluable in the legal profession, where each case presents its own unique challenges and complexities.

    Can you share a pivotal moment or case from your career that significantly influenced your approach to law and litigation?

    I have had opportunities to represent the Government of India and was part of the teams led by the Learned Law Officers before the Constitution Benches of the Supreme Court in several matters involving substantial questions of law as to the interpretation of the Constitution of India. I have handled numerous cases which are significant for one reason or another.  

    One pivotal moment in my career that profoundly influenced my approach to law and litigation was a case in the Supreme Court arising out of a controversial phone tapping. The issue involved as to whether a public figure has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Guidelines were issued by the Supreme Court which led to framing of the standard operating procedures (SOP) by the Government for legitimate phone tapping. 

    Having said that, I approach each case, with utmost sincerity, and take it as an opportunity to serve the clients in getting justice which they deserve. 

    With over two decades of experience in the legal profession, what suggestions or advice would you offer to the upcoming generation of aspiring lawyers and legal professionals navigating their way through the complexities of modern legal practice?

    I would like to share with the upcoming generation of aspiring lawyers and legal professionals navigating the complexities of modern legal practice to embrace lifelong learning. The legal profession can be demanding and unpredictable, with its fair share of setbacks and challenges. Cultivate resilience by maintaining a positive attitude, embracing adversity as an opportunity for growth, and developing coping mechanisms to navigate stress and uncertainty effectively. You must uphold the highest ethical standards in all your interactions, prioritize the interests of your clients, and adhere to the rules of professional conduct and legal ethics. 

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  • An Untold story of a lawyer Hasan Yaqoob, Director- Corporate Affairs at InMobi Group who is now renowned name of corporate world

    An Untold story of a lawyer Hasan Yaqoob, Director- Corporate Affairs at InMobi Group who is now renowned name of corporate world

    This Interview has been published by Pragya Chandni and The SuperLawyer Team

    You’ve had an illustrious career spanning various sectors including telecommunications, e-commerce, and disaster management. What initially drew you to the field of law, and how has your legal background influenced your approach to corporate affairs and public policy?

    Two decades back I started my career as a lawyer from Lucknow Session court under the senior ship of Advocate Askari Anwar known for his legal intelligencia and criminal trials in Judiciary. Got my first case of a poor boy who was in judicial custody for a month as his widow mother had no money & resources to help his 18 years old son arrested for the scuffle during a cricket match with the son of an influential local municipal corporator. Advocated the case in court and bailed him out on the first hearing for which I got the Prasad of Hanuman Mandir and blessings from the mother of my client as the legal fee of my first case.

    It is pertinent to mention that I got the legal fraternity in legacy, my grandfather and father were both prominent lawyers of their times. My father Late Haider Yaqoob Advocate was known as the legal pillar of the Medical health department, Govt of UP having expertise in service and waqf laws. Continuing my rich legal legacy I appeared in several matters in Hon’ble High court, Lucknow bench and set the new success stories specially in cyber laws cases with the rapid relief to my clients.

    In 2006, I started getting the cases from the corporate organisations & got the opportunity to set the new benchmarks of success. I was the pioneer of telecommunication Lok Adalat, by organising the first Lok Adalat in Lucknow to resolve the recovery cases of Reliance communication pending since long.

    Noticing legal acumen and rapid legal remedials I was approached by Mr Anil Ambani’s office directly and has been offered to join Reliance Communication as legal Manager for Uttar Pradesh. After several brainstorming sessions with my family and seniors in the fraternity I stepped into the corporate domain and joined RCOM.

    During the job era in Reliance, created a large network of lawyers covering all the districts of Uttar Pradesh and delivered remarkable results in the telecommunication domain which resulted in the garnering of additional new responsibilities of Corporate & Government affairs in the organisation. Utilising the legal acumen rapid results could be delivered in consumer forum, State Commission, NI Act, Recovery suits, Labour cases and matters related to IPC etc.

    Later on, I was offered a job by several corporate houses and have worked with Tikona Digital networks , Reliance Jio, Vodafone Idea, Walmart’s Flipkart, Inmobi Group.

    As a leader in both the Legal & corporate sectors, you’ve played a pivotal role in bringing about positive change in Uttar Pradesh. What advice would you offer to aspiring professionals looking to make a similar impact in their communities, especially fresh Law graduates & Lawyers to enter in corporate affairs careers?

    I believe that transitioning from a legal career to corporate affairs can be a natural progression for lawyers looking to broaden their skill set and explore new avenues within the business world. Corporate affairs professionals play a crucial role in managing an organization’s relationships with stakeholders, shaping its public image, and navigating complex regulatory landscapes.

    Lawyers bring valuable skills to this role, including legal expertise, analytical thinking, and the ability to navigate intricate regulatory frameworks. They may leverage their understanding of laws and regulations to ensure the company complies with relevant requirements and mitigate legal risks. Additionally, their experience in contract negotiation, dispute resolution, and problem-solving can be beneficial in addressing various challenges that arise in corporate affairs.

    Transitioning to corporate affairs may involve acquiring additional skills such as communications, public relations, and strategic planning. Networking, professional development opportunities, and gaining practical experience in corporate settings can help lawyers successfully make this transition. Overall, the move from a legal career to corporate affairs offers lawyers a chance to apply their skills in new ways and contribute to the success of organizations in different capacities.

    Throw some light on how you have been instrumental in leveraging telecom, e-commerce platforms to empower artisans and MSMEs & overall society in Uttar Pradesh, thereby contributing to entrepreneurship and women’s empowerment. What strategies do you believe are crucial for ensuring the sustained growth for the society through corporate initiatives?

    Other than my regular job practices, I always focus on bringing transformation in society by changing the livelihood of common men, empowering women and introducing sustainability models by virtue of corporate domain resources.

    I am glad to share that using  personal connections and intervention in the corporate world more than one thousand youth of Uttar Pradesh have been employed in different corporate companies so far.

    Played a prominent role in changing the livelihood of thousands of artisans & MSMEs of Uttar Pradesh by supporting them through E-commerce platforms which expanded their reach nationwide and increased their products visibility and revenue in high numbers, promoted entrepreneurship and women empowerment.

    Using my E-commerce strength, also gave a new height to UP ODOP program through Online digital selling of ODOP products, I was instrumental in boosting the sale of ODOP products in thousands of crores which was appreciated by hon’ble Prime Minister Modi during GIS 2022 at IGP Lucknow, ODOP products sale on Flipkart is only more than 2500 crore in last 3 years. Also developed a dedicated ODOP & Khadi storefronts for online sale with worldwide access. This initiative was appreciated by Hon’ble CM Yogi and Defence Minister Shri Rajnath Singh as well.

    I also supported the farmers and agriculture system of Uttar Pradesh by doing the capacity building and making farmers Samarth for showcasing, expanding their agriculture business at national level by the help of online platforms and opportunities.

    I opine that society development through corporate excellence and initiatives involves leveraging the resources, influence, and innovation capabilities of corporations to address social challenges and contribute to the overall well-being of communities. Here are some ways this can be achieved:

    1. Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) Programs:-
    Education and Skill Development: Companies can invest in educational initiatives, providing scholarships, building schools, and offering vocational training to improve local workforce skills.
    Healthcare Initiatives: Corporations can support healthcare by funding hospitals, running health camps, and promoting health awareness programs.
    Environmental Sustainability: Implementing eco-friendly practices and supporting environmental conservation projects can help tackle issues like climate change and pollution.

    2. Inclusive Business Practices:
    Fair Trade and Ethical Sourcing: Ensuring fair wages and safe working conditions in supply chains supports economic development and reduces poverty.
    Local Hiring and Procurement: Prioritizing local hiring and sourcing from local businesses can boost local economies and create job opportunities.

    3. Innovation and Technology:
    Tech for Good: Developing and deploying technologies that address social issues, such as renewable energy solutions, healthcare innovations, and educational tools, can drive societal progress.
    Research and Development (R&D): Investing in R&D for products and services that meet the needs of underserved communities.

    4. Public-Private Partnerships:
    Collaborating with governments and NGOs to implement large-scale development projects, such as infrastructure development, public health campaigns, and educational reforms.

    5. Philanthropy and Corporate Foundations:
    Establishing corporate foundations that focus on specific societal issues, providing grants, and supporting non-profits and community-based organizations.

    6. Employee Engagement:
    Encouraging and facilitating employee volunteerism, where employees contribute their time and skills to community projects and initiatives.

    7. Sustainable Business Practices:
    Implementing sustainability practices that reduce environmental impact and promote long-term ecological balance, benefiting both the company and society.

    8. Impact Investing: Investing in social enterprises and projects that aim to generate both financial returns and positive social impacts, such as affordable housing, clean energy, and sustainable agriculture.

    9. Advocacy and Leadership:
    Using corporate influence to advocate for policies and regulations that promote social equity, environmental protection, and economic inclusivity.

    By integrating these strategies into their core operations, corporations can play a pivotal role in societal development, creating a positive impact that extends beyond their immediate business interests.

    Your role in supporting the government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, including sourcing essential medical supplies and arranging transportation, demonstrates a unique intersection of corporate and social responsibility. Could you share some insights into how corporate entities can effectively collaborate with government bodies during crises like the pandemic?

    During covid times using corporate excellence and connects, we as a team acted as a support system for the government and society, hundreds of Modern Ventilators, Oxygen concentrators, numerous Oxygen plants, lakhs of PPE kits, N95 masks and other preventive goods were arranged by us through different corporate houses which saved the lives of people in large numbers. We played the role of saviour by the arrangements of dedicated commercial aircraft which bought covid goods from the foreign lands to India.

    Corporate entities can support government efforts during a crisis through a variety of proactive and strategic initiatives. Here are several ways they can come forward:

    Financial Contributions and Donations, Providing Goods and Services, Essential Supplies, Critical services like telecommunications, transportation, and healthcare support at no cost or reduced rates, Logistical and Operational Support, Supply Chain and Distribution, Facility Use – Make company facilities available for emergency use, such as converting office spaces into temporary shelters or medical facilities, Technological Assistance, IT Infrastructure-Provide technological infrastructure and support, such as cloud services, data analytics, and cybersecurity measures, to help manage crisis response.
    Innovation and Development – Develop and deploy technology solutions, such as apps for crisis communication, contact tracing, or resource allocation, Human Resources and Expertise, Skilled Volunteers Consultation and Training, Public-Private Partnerships, Community Engagement and Support, Awareness Campaigns, Research and Development- Innovative Solutions: Invest in R&D to develop new technologies and solutions that can aid in crisis management and recovery. This includes everything from medical research to environmental technologies, Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) Initiatives- Crisis Focused CSR-  Integrate crisis support and disaster relief into CSR programs, ensuring sustained engagement and support during and after crises .
    By taking these few steps, corporate entities can significantly bolster governmental efforts during crises, leveraging their resources, expertise, and infrastructure to provide comprehensive and effective support.

    Your advocacy for environmental sustainability, including your initiatives like installing anti-pollution air purifiers near the Taj Mahal, highlights the importance of corporate leadership in addressing pressing societal issues. How can corporations effectively balance profitability with environmental stewardship?

    Sustainable Practices by corporate organisation is a mandate of late,  Promotion of sustainability and resilience in business operations helps to mitigate future crises, particularly those related to environmental and climate-related challenges.

    Adopting sustainability practices in business operations offers numerous benefits to corporations, including:-

    1. Cost Savings: Sustainable practices like energy efficiency, waste reduction, and resource optimization can significantly lower operating costs over time.
    2. Brand Reputation: Companies committed to sustainability can enhance their brand image and attract customers who prioritize environmental and social responsibility.
    3. Regulatory Compliance: Proactively adopting sustainable practices helps businesses stay ahead of environmental regulations, reducing the risk of fines and legal issues.
    4. Competitive Advantage: Sustainability can differentiate a company from its competitors, appealing to a growing market segment that values ethical practices.
    5. Employee Engagement: A commitment to sustainability can boost employee morale and attract talent, as many workers prefer to be associated with socially responsible companies.
    6. Investment Attraction: Investors are increasingly looking for sustainable businesses, as these are often seen as lower risk and more future-proof.
    7. Innovation and Efficiency: Sustainability initiatives can drive innovation, leading to the development of new products and services and improving operational efficiencies.
    8. Risk Management: Sustainable practices can help mitigate risks related to resource scarcity, supply chain disruptions, and climate change impacts.
    9. Long-term Viability: By focusing on sustainability, companies ensure they are not depleting resources needed for future operations, supporting long-term business success.

    These benefits collectively contribute to a more resilient, profitable, and socially responsible business model.

    With your extensive experience in corporate affairs and public policy, particularly in the realm of telecom, e-commerce and AI domain, what are your inputs and suggestions to make Uttar Pradesh as an AI & Digital hub of nation ?

    Firstly thanks to the Government of UP for notifying the UPAI committee consisting AI experts from different tech companies to be part of the AI journey in Uttar Pradesh. Furthermore, We need to create an AI ecosystem in Uttar Pradesh and transforming Lucknow into an AI-powered city requires a multi-faceted approach involving government, industry, academia, and the public. Here are some key initiatives that could help achieve this vision:-

    Establishment of AI COE in Lucknow.

    Education and Skill Development centre for AI ,AI-focused Curriculum: Integrate AI and data science courses into the educational curricula of schools, colleges, and universities.

    Training Programs: Launch vocational training programs to reskill the existing workforce in AI technologies.

    Research Centers: Establish AI research institutes in collaboration with top educational institutions to foster innovation and development.

    Policy and Regulation: AI Policy Framework: Develop a comprehensive AI policy framework to guide the ethical and sustainable use of AI technologies.

    Industry Collaboration: Public-Private Partnerships: Encourage partnerships between the government and private sector to fund and develop AI projects.

    Start-up Ecosystem: Create a conducive environment for AI start-ups through incubators, accelerators, and funding opportunities.

    By undertaking these initiatives, Uttar Pradesh can pave the way to becoming a leading AI state, enhancing the quality of life for its residents and positioning itself as a hub for technological innovation.

    Lastly, tell us about your legal, corporate journey and what honorary positions you are holding in the government domain? And drawing from your rich and diverse experiences, what advice would you give to recent law graduates or young professionals aspiring to pursue a career path similar to yours, particularly in navigating the complexities of corporate affairs and public policy while staying true to their values and principles?

    I am currently serving as the Director Corporate Affairs, in Inmobi group, India’s first unicorn and now a double unicorn with Glance also notching up incredible growth in less than two years since its inception. Have held leadership positions in north India leading telecoms, E-commerce companies, industry bodies, chambers and as a think tank. Currently Chairman of UP E-commerce & logistics council, Honorary advisor to District Disaster Management Authority, LKO, Govt of UP & Advisory Member on AI -I T & Electronics Department, Govt of UP.

    Holds Masters in Human Resource management, bachelor in Laws, Journalism experiences, my penned down articles widely published and a leading voice for developing countries and emerging economies on digital economy, global markets, deepening democracy, political economy, media ecology, disruptive technology, regulatory affairs and public policy. My interest is only to  serve the nation through my Corporate excellence as my professional expertise has always directed towards serving both people and the state, signifying a commitment to social responsibility and community welfare. By fostering legal acumen, ethical business practices, prioritizing employment of youths & well-being, and actively engaging in philanthropy, have contributed in societal development of state. My approach has led to economic success with broader social and governmental objectives, creating a harmonious balance between corporate growth and public welfare. Have been admired by Hon’ble Governor of UP, Deputy CM, Several Ministers and Govt stakeholders at several instances for his dedicated contributions for the upliftment of state and bringing glory to Uttar Pradesh through his corporate excellence!!

    Answering the second part of the question, I think building a career in corporate affairs while maintaining ethics, principles, and values involves a multifaceted approach. Here are some key strategies to help youths in achieving this:

    1. Professional Integrity:

       – Adherence to Ethics: Always adhere to a personal code of ethics and the ethical guidelines of your profession.

       – Transparency: Be transparent in your communications and actions. Build trust by being honest and straightforward.

       – Conflict of Interest: Avoid situations where personal interests might conflict with professional responsibilities.

    2. Building Relationships:

       – Networking: Build a network of like-minded professionals who value ethics and integrity.

       – Mentorship: Seek mentors who exemplify ethical leadership and can guide you in your career.

       – Stakeholder Engagement: Engage with stakeholders ethically, ensuring their needs and concerns are addressed fairly.

    3. Corporate Governance:

       – Best Practices: Advocate for and implement best practices in corporate governance within your organization.

       – Policy Development: Develop and enforce policies that promote ethical behaviour and compliance with laws and regulations.

       – Ethical Leadership: Lead by example, demonstrating ethical behaviour in all professional activities.

    4. Ethical Decision-Making:

       – Decision Frameworks: Use ethical frameworks and decision-making models to guide your actions.

       – Long-term Perspective: Focus on long-term benefits rather than short-term gains, ensuring decisions are sustainable and ethical.

       – Accountability: Hold yourself and others accountable for ethical behaviour. Encourage a culture of accountability within your organization.

    5. Communication Skills:

       – Clear Communication: Communicate clearly and honestly with all stakeholders.

       – Crisis Management: Handle crises ethically, ensuring transparent communication         and accountability.

       – Reputation Management: Maintain and protect the organization’s reputation through ethical practices.

    6. Regulatory Compliance:- Stay Informed: Keep up-to-date with relevant laws, regulations, and industry standards.

    By integrating these strategies into your career development, you can build a successful career in corporate affairs while maintaining your ethics, principles, and values. Remember, consistency in ethical behaviour not only builds personal integrity but also fosters a trustworthy and sustainable business environment.

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  • “I always request everyone in my family, as well as in my office, to learn to say no. The moment you learn to say no, ethical problems and other issues will never come your way.” – Ashok Kumar Singh, Senior Advocate, Supreme Court of India

    This interview has been published by Namrata Singh and The SuperLawyer Team

    Hello and welcome, today we have with us the esteemed Ashok Kumar Singh sir, who is a senior advocate. And we would like to start the interview by asking the most important and most pertinent question Sir, what inspired you to pursue law and how has been your journey from the beginning till the time when you are doing arbitration and dispute resolution with so much ease?

    My father was a government servant. I have seen bad days in my life. He was a small, hardworking government servant and an honest man. To survive with honesty at that time, when I studied professionally back in 1977 and 1978, was a difficult job. So, I thought of not joining any service and doing something different. Business was not an option because I had no money. Ultimately, I decided to adopt a profession that required little or no money. I thought of joining law and, in 1975, I joined the law faculty at Delhi University. I graduated in 1978.

    Before I graduated in 1978, I started going to the courts. At that time, there was no concept of internships. My senior would take me to court, and it was usually assumed that I was a new clerk. Sometimes, it was very humiliating and insulting when someone asked if I was a new clerk, and I couldn’t say yes or no. I started the profession because I wanted to do something different and had no money to invest in a business.

    Why did I come into arbitration and dispute resolution? Initially, I started as a criminal lawyer. To this day, I love doing criminal work; it is in my blood. In 1986 or 1987, a gentleman who was an additional general manager in the Delhi Transport Corporation gave me a challenge in arbitration. It was against NPCC, and his CMD told me, “Mr. Singh, even if you get it compromised at 20 lakh rupees, I will be the happiest person.” Twenty lakh rupees in 1985-1987 was a big amount. By the grace of God, it was the first case in my life, and I did it.

    A NIL award was passed, but no award was granted to NPCC. This brought a major change in my life. I realized that besides criminal clients, dealing with civilized, highly-placed clients allowed you to invite them to your place, your office, or chit-chat with them.

    You can have a cup of coffee, but with a criminal client, you can’t have all this liberty. Secondly, I realized that good money was transferred to me even at that time. I charged per hour and per hearing. I was the only counsel in Delhi Transport Corporation who was paid this much.

    Thereafter, some other government departments tried me. I worked in Delhi, outside Delhi, and gave good results in arbitration as well. People started liking me for arbitration work too. It was a matter of chance that I started working in arbitration. Slowly, around 2010, somebody from the US approached me. He wanted an Indian counsel to represent them in an international arbitration in different jurisdictions like London, Singapore, Mauritius, the Cayman Islands, and the Isle of Man. I thought he would pay me a certain amount as a fee, but he asked for my fee schedule in hours. He indicated that he didn’t want a petty lawyer, suggesting that I could charge a good amount. This gave a twist to my life. I started working for them as an Indian counsel because Indian laws and properties were involved. They needed someone knowledgeable about civil law, criminal law, and income tax.

    English counsels were very costly for them, so they wanted someone to assist the English counsels. Within six months, they made me the second leading counsel in the matter. In a year, I became the leading counsel, overseeing all litigation in the USA, Singapore, London, Mauritius, and other countries. All the counsels were working under me, and they found that I was much cheaper compared to English counsels who charged heavily.

    The best part, which I must share with you, is that a claim of about 1700-1800 crore rupees was filed against our client. When we entered the case, we reviewed the entire file, made a claim, and issued a notice for the counterclaim. Within a few months, the chairman of the claimant approached us for a compromise. Without contesting the case too much, they gave our client 192 crore rupees in Indian currency. The claimant didn’t get even a single penny. The respondent, whom we were defending, got 192 crore rupees. Obviously, we also received a good fee and gained confidence that we could handle international resolutions and deliver good results to clients globally. This confidence was earned by our hard work. It wasn’t just me; my team also contributed significantly. Other lawyers working with me helped a lot. That was another turning point in my life. I decided to focus more on arbitration rather than criminal cases because in criminal law, people initially look for a laborious, good lawyer.

    I was getting plenty of work. I must say I got plenty of work. I’m not boasting, but I consider myself one of the busiest counsels in District Court and later in High Court on the criminal side. But suddenly, things changed over time. Clients started approaching me with the idea, “Sir, you know such and such person, you know the government counsel.” This was not my cup of tea.

    So I slowly started moving away from that. It was a bit disturbing, and when you say, “No, I don’t know,” or “I don’t believe in this sort of practice,” they wouldn’t want to continue with you. They would go to others. But in arbitration and civil practice, I realized that people appreciated your expertise.

    They appreciated your knowledge, and over time, even till date, I’m getting good work from domestic as well as international clients. I have no problem. This is how I entered into arbitration, all with the grace of God and a little effort—a little effort, a little zeal to work, and a little enthusiasm to work. That is required too.

    Since you picked up such a new field of arbitration and, the field was absolutely new in 1986, as you said. During this course of time, what kind of changes have you seen in commercial dispute resolution as well as the kind of arbitration which we are seeing nowadays? There must be some difference because we suddenly opened up for the world, India, especially in 1991. So you must have seen a lot of change as you had shifted from criminal to arbitration and commercial dispute resolution. We would love to hear that, sir.

    There have been a lot of changes as far as arbitration is concerned. You know, it’s a very difficult question you’ve asked. I know a lot of people would get annoyed with my answer. Now it is dominated by a particular class. India wants to become the hub of arbitration. It is said so. But what I feel is, it is something, a slogan which we have been given, that it should be the hub of arbitration. If it is so, then why are about 36 percent of the arbitrations in Singapore conducted by Indians? Why are about 30 percent of arbitrations in Hong Kong or about 30 to 33 percent in Kuala Lumpur conducted by Indians? Why are they not coming back to India? Why are they not engaging Indian arbitrators? Why are they not relying upon Indian counsels? Why are they not relying upon the system which we have, even though it has improved a lot?

    The system doesn’t carry that much weight. The people who have to somehow work in the system are very important. How the arbitrators are appointed, who they are, how they behave, how much they charge, and whether it is feasible for international clients to engage them are all important. What is their tone and temperament? That is very important because an international client would not like to be dictated to, as we normally are. Secondly, internationally, when we go out to conduct a matter, we know that early in the morning at 9 o’clock, we have to report, or at 9:30, and by 10 o’clock we will start.

    It will continue up to 5 o’clock, and we are paid for that. Hourly basis, arbitrators are also paid hourly. The amount is also very reasonable, 500 pounds or 600 pounds, which is 55,000 or 60,000 rupees in Indian currency per hour. Even the arbitrators charge that much amount. But here it is a little costly affair, as you would appreciate. Normally arbitrators, though Schedule 4 is there for domestic cases, that is something different. But in international arbitration, there is no schedule. Arbitrators are charging fees according to their own choice. Normally charges are 2.50 lakhs per hearing of two hours or more.

    A good amount of time is wasted in looking into diaries to find out the actual dates. Then, two hours sometimes are completed or not completed. It is something, you know, which pinches the international clients. If you ask me, 2.50 lakhs means 1.25 lakhs rupees per hour, which is a little higher in comparison to international market rates. They give you a good amount. It doesn’t mean that they don’t make the payment. Their payment is much more than ours, but they give it in different forms, such as hourly preparation of the case. After preparation, when you prepare for the drafting of the awards, they pay you a good amount. For consultation and meetings in between, they give you a good amount. But hearings always go on in one go, from 10 to 5, 10 to 3, or 10 to 4, whatever the time given. And in a very disciplined manner. That is lacking somewhere here because we don’t have many institutional applications, if you ask me.

    There are only a few institutions here. And those institutions are also somewhere state-wise, somewhere region-wise. So international clients are unable to choose whom they should go to. Whether it’s the Mumbai International Arbitration Center, Delhi International Arbitration Center, Chennai International Arbitration Center, or Chandigarh International Arbitration Center, there’s no certainty.

    So you have to develop a particular city, find a particular city, and then develop it. Like in Singapore, they have a center in Singapore. It doesn’t mean the entire Singapore, it’s a particular place. There are also many other international arbitration centers working there.

    I am also an advisor to them, but you have to develop a particular center. You have to choose this, and that center should be completely free from judicial interference. Completely. It should be in the hands of only independent persons. Alright? Highly placed arbitrators, highly placed persons who have good knowledge in arbitration, only they should run it.

    Then, probably, we can make a difference. Previously, arbitrations were uncommon in this country, so the system was a little different. I still recollect when I would go to any arbitrator, he would welcome us warmly, invite us for a cup of tea, and teach us as if we were his children. Things are changing. Those days are gone. Now, we have become more commercialized. That is the difference I am noticing.

    Secondly, regarding labor, I don’t blame the arbitrators. Nowadays, we are getting 100-page judgments, 200-page judgments. By the time you rely on one judgment, another judgment comes in, contradicting the previous one. Sometimes in a month, we get two or three judgments that are not in line with each other. Nobody is following what was decided earlier.

    This creates a lot of difficulty for the clients. Their position is also very bad. Now the provisions are made very stringent. Normally, it should be in line with international practice, but we have to consider our country’s practice as well. In Section 34, there is no chance to get any relief unless the issue is something different. It’s the same with Section 37.

    I’m not accusing anyone, but the possibility and probability of a few arbitrators out of 100 becoming dishonest cannot be ruled out. Just imagine the plight of those clients and the impression they would carry if they had not been able to prove their case, despite knowing that an injustice has been done to them.

    There should be some judgment for clients facing such great difficulty and injustice. My experience is that most of the arbitrators I work with are very honest and dedicated.

    India is a very big place. We have the maximum number of arbitration cases in the world. Most of them are not institutional. When they are not institutional, arbitrations are happening in small places as well, where even the area in charge or market pradhan conducts arbitration. Those arbitrations are also covered by Section 30.

    I feel that while we are making the laws very stringent, we should also consider those who are losing good cases because of the arbitrator’s decision. The court says it is not sitting in appeal and that whatever is decided is final. This aspect needs to be looked at differently. The changes have both good and bad sides. It is very difficult to explain all these things.

    There are many things you can’t or don’t want to explain openly, but yes, a lot of changes are required. It’s time we make arbitration reach the roots of society. We should include people from society as arbitrators, like lawyers, senior lawyers, engineers, architects, academicians, chartered accountants, and company secretaries.

    Whenever I go to institutions to teach law or other aspects, the question they usually ask is, “Sir, will we be appointed as arbitrators sometime in our life?” I can’t say anything to them because appointments are done by someone who is not under my control. We all know how it should be, but I don’t want to open that discussion again.

    Alongside your legal career, you’re also a Professor at Sanskriti University. How do you balance your roles in academia and legal practice, and what do you enjoy most about teaching?

    When I was in London conducting the matter, I realized that most of the judges worked as part-time lecturers. My son also studied there, and my daughter studied in the US. So, I always got the impression that the judges would come in the late evening, sometimes at 10:30 or 11 o’clock. The message would be floated that they were coming to discuss a legal proposition, and they would come and teach the students.

    During the pandemic, I was in touch with my juniors, and we were discussing various aspects of law: arbitration, the IBC code, and other criminal laws. Online, I shared whatever knowledge I had with them. At this point, one or two universities approached me to speak to their students online. One of the universities made me an honorary professor. I don’t go very regularly to teach, but whenever they require my attendance for a particular subject or practical experience for the students, I love to go and share my experiences.

    I have realized, and I personally feel, that we should help because universities find it difficult to call us since their curriculum is different from what we have in mind. When we go and discuss practical problems, the students find it challenging. They say, “Sir, we have been taught this much, but you are saying it is to be done like this.” Particularly, there are so many problems in life. You know it very well.

    A student who has learned criminal law, when he comes to court, has an idea just like Shatrughna Sinha would come from the back and say, “My Lord, how can you do it?” And the matter would be decided in five minutes. At the time of a bail application, a hearing will take place, or evidence will take place. This sort of idea always remains because they are fascinated by movies and films.

    To make them understand that it is very difficult, I always tell my interns that this is not something to teach you. This is something to teach you only discipline in the office: come on time, sit over there, learn the legal propositions, and leave at the appropriate time. If you don’t learn discipline, you won’t be able to be a good lawyer.

    We can’t make them lawyers in three months, four months, two months, or six months. No, we can’t. We have to just make them understand what the law is so that tomorrow they should not get frustrated and run away from the profession. You won’t believe that 85% of young lawyers who join the profession leave within two to five years. They don’t continue, especially those who are not in corporate but in trial cases. They get frustrated much earlier because what they have in mind is not there.

    Getting clients is a difficult job, getting money from the clients is a very difficult job, and getting relief from the court is the next most difficult job. Unless they get relief, the clients will not come back to them. They won’t get new clients, so they soon get frustrated because they need to settle in life. They come in at the age of 23 or 24, and by 28, 29, or 30, if they are not able to earn even 50,000 rupees per month, they get frustrated. So, besides the legal education we give in universities and colleges, we have to make them aware of the practical aspects as well.

    I thought of doing something different besides what is written in the books, to inform them about the practical aspects of the legal profession. Getting this done is not difficult. I recollect one of my seniors, who greatly influenced me. He is no longer in this world, but he always said, “Vyast woh hain jo ast vyast hain.” If I have to take out the time, I will take out the time. If I don’t have to take out the time, I will not take out the time. I just manage. I don’t take up too much work that I can’t do. It is an injustice to the client, to myself, and to my family.

    Take only as much work as is required. In the initial stage, yes, I did a lot of work. I was working from 7 in the morning to 12 o’clock at night, conducting 20 to 25 cases in a day. Now, I don’t do that much work. I feel that whatever is required for me, God is giving me. I’m happy with that.

    Taking out time is not difficult. You have to manage your schedule. You don’t have to do too much work. You have to give proper time to your family, work, staff, hobbies, and yourself.

    I would like to ask you the next question related to the new entrance to the legal field and all the kind of stress that you were talking about that after five to seven years, usually they get frustrated because they have that filmy thought that this is how trial court will work. What would you suggest to those entrants and such kind of thought process, how to build this inherently that later when they enter the profession, they do not feel frustrated. There must be something because as you said, in your early days, you used to take a 25 cases a day. That’s a huge thing, but you must have managed that in some manner. So if you could impart some thought about that, because that will be very helpful to the new generation as well.

    For the newcomers, we can give much advice, but before giving any advice, it is better that we change ourselves. I’m still finding it very difficult to persuade my friends to give at least some amount to the interns or junior lawyers. If you go to district courts, you will find the position is also very tough for them.

    If we have to ensure that good lawyers join the profession, we have to support them for three years, maybe two, three, four, or even five years. It becomes the duty of every senior who is keeping a junior to cover at least the minimum possible expenses. This support is a great help to them in the initial stage. Even if they are asking for money from their parents, they are happy to receive 20,000, 15,000, 25,000, or 30,000. For a trial lawyer, when you join a law firm, the situation will be different.

    Learning in a law firm is a little slow, which I am not against. I have all respect for them, but it is slow. A person working in the district court, starting from zero, and learning from the beginning becomes a very good lawyer. He knows when the accused will be produced, what to do when the bail application is moved, how the bail bond is to be moved, how charges are to be framed, how sensible suit issues are to be framed, and the meanings of rejoinder, application, and written statement.

    He learns a lot of things in the process. So, before giving a suggestion to newcomers, I request all my colleagues who are well-placed in the system to extend their hands to help newcomers. That will be much better. The moment you do it, many will stay in the profession and prove to be good lawyers.

    The second aspect is that none of the newcomers want to go to the lower courts. Out of 100, you will find hardly 5 or 10 who go to the lower court. Everybody is interested in coming to the High Court or the Supreme Court in their father’s car, enjoying a cup of coffee, some snacks, or smoking with friends, and then going back in the evening with a new white shirt and coat, with a smiling face.

    They don’t appreciate that spending two, three, five, or even ten hours per day at the High Court is not going to help them in any case. The High Court has its own limitations, and the Supreme Court has its own limitations. Basic law is to be learned in the lower courts, which nobody wants to learn.

    They also have to change their temperament. They have to decide what they want to do. People come to me and say, “Sir, we want to work in the High Court only.” That’s fine, but you will get a chance to work in the High Court after working for five years in the lower court. Then you will be in a position to understand the basic concepts of law, the basic concepts of practice, and the basic difficulties of practice.

    So, we should also make them understand that it is better to work for two, three, four, or five years in the lower court, and then come to the High Court or the Supreme Court.

    Ninety percent of those who start in the High Court and Supreme Court, 85 to 90%, leave the profession midway because there is nothing. You can work in a law firm for two, three, four, or five years, but eventually, you have to show your worth. They are not going to pay you throughout your life without you showing your worth.

    You will show your worth when you learn something. The learning process is a difficult job. So, my humble advice to all newcomers is that they should spend some time in a law firm. Learn from the beginning, whether on the criminal side or the civil side. Learn from the beginning what civil law is, what criminal law is, the basics of the civil procedure court, the Limitation Act, the Specific Relief Act, the Stamp Duty Act, and other important provisions of law. On the criminal side, learn the CrPC, IPC, and Evidence Act. They should understand these and then come to the High Court to try their luck. They might be more successful in comparison to what they are today.

    Sir, as you have interacted with so many international and national clients parallelly, kind of ethical complexities, I would say, have you encountered any while representing such clients? And how did you upheld that kind of principle of justice and fairness that we always talk about as lawyers? How has it worked for you? How have you gone through the whole process?

    It depends on the person. Simply put, if I am honest, I am honest. If I’m not, I’m not. If I have to do something, I will do it. If I don’t have to do it, I won’t.

    I always request everyone in my family, as well as in my office, to learn to say no. The moment you learn to say no, ethical problems and other issues will never come your way. If you are concerned about something, just say no. What is the problem with that? That is the best way out. If you don’t say no and continue with something despite difficulties, it becomes problematic.

    It happens, right? Secondly, most people say the profession is degrading. Yes, in some aspects, I do agree, but in my 45 years of practice, I have never been abused for any work. No High Court judge, Supreme Court judge, or minister has ever approached me to manipulate a case. They know me well and are close friends. No member of parliament has ever asked me to ruin a session.

    You have to build up your image. Once your image is good, you won’t face such problems, whether domestic or international. No one has ever dared to approach me to say, “Sir, we have to do it in this fashion.” It’s my prerogative, my decision. You have given the problem to me. I will discuss it with you and suggest solutions. If you are happy, that’s fine. If not, give me a counter solution, and I will examine it. No illegal business, no hanky-panky in my office. If I’m sure of my integrity, I won’t face any difficulties.

    Problems arise when one doesn’t maintain their character. Otherwise, they don’t. At least, I haven’t faced such problems in the last 45 years. Not a single person has approached me inappropriately. I have handled the second largest arbitration case in the country, worth about 15,000 crore rupees. It’s not a small amount. I’ve also handled other cases worth 500, 1,000, and 2,000 crore rupees. I have been a senior legal advisor to many government departments.

    But nobody has ever approached me to do something against my principles. I don’t boast, but even for one of the biggest business houses in the country, when I was a legal advisor for a particular department, a substantial work assignment was based entirely on merit.

    So, it depends on the person. I have not found any difficulty, and I don’t think anyone should if they are a person of character. However, a person of character might face difficulties. People might consider you egotistical or form different opinions about you. They might say you don’t visit their chambers or listen to anyone.

    But in my heart, I’m happy that I have never compromised my principles in my life.

    Sir, that being said, when you mentioned the second-largest case of 15, 000 CR, if you are comfortable sharing some details and how it made a course for you, a difference in your life on your professional front, as well as personal, because this is the biggest thing which one can hear because you were handling such a huge case. How did it bring change in your life?

    Look, as far as the case particulars are concerned, they are always confidential.

    But I will say again that two things count a lot in all these matters: your reputation and your ability to plan effectively. If one knows how to prepare a case and how to achieve the ultimate relief, this planning must be done in the initial stage. Good work must be done before starting a case.

    Someone who was very highly placed in the Government of India, after retirement, became an advisor to that company. He had seen me working for about eight or ten years, dealing with matters worth millions of rupees and achieving positive results. So, he recommended my name, and that matter was assigned to us. We worked for about six months to make a strategy and prepare the case.

    I must say, it was a very well-prepared case. I’m happy that I worked on it, even though it presented different challenges. One of my friends, whom I must call a friend because of our long-standing relationship, came to me while I was handling the matter for the Delhi Transport Corporation. He got to know about me, and later, when he became the CMG of a department, he assigned me a case.

    He said, “Despite our best efforts, we are unable to recover the money from this gentleman who is politically very highly placed.” With the help of the concerned officers, who were also very nice and dedicated, and my staff, we worked day and night. It was very difficult, like trying to catch a snake that would run here and there. We got an order in the department, and I proposed filing an appeal.

    It was a very interesting issue. I proposed filing an appeal, which nobody wanted to do. Luckily, the chairman agreed, and we got the order modified. In the appeal, about 94 crore rupees were additionally paid to the government department. I’m happy that more than 400 crore rupees were recovered from that client for the government department.

    All this happens sometimes because of luck, sometimes because of hard work, sometimes because of your reputation, and sometimes because of your relationships. But somewhere, someone is deciding our destiny and making these things happen. I don’t attribute anything special to myself; it’s all the work of the Almighty.

    Sir, on that note, I cannot stop myself, but ask you all of this going around, definitely there must be some stress. I know not that much with your kind of thought process, but still, how do you come out of that kind of stressful situation? How do you take care of yourself? Your mental health and what kind of hobbies do you look forward to when you want to de stress yourself?

    The very simple process that I am doing, I don’t know. For so many years, early in the morning, I get up and, after getting fresh, my routine is that I do my pranayama.

    If I get time, then I go for meditation. For the last three or four years, I’ve been doing Sudarshan Kriya, Guru Shri Ravi Shankar’s. Whenever I get time, I also do my yoga asanas and take my bath. In the evening, if I get time, I like to spend quality time with my wife. My children are well settled with their families, so I have only my wife to help me. I had a good time with her. We are more friends than husband and wife and enjoy life beautifully.

    Before Corona, we travelled at least four or five times a year abroad and within the country. After Corona, we started travelling again. We were in Thailand and Cambodia just two weeks ago. Now we are planning to go to the US and Canada next month. You have to make time and choose the right company.

    God has already chosen the company for me, so my wife is there to give me company.

    As far as hobbies are concerned, I love reading. Sometimes, late at night, I read books of my choice. Previously, it was good literature and history; nowadays, I read spiritual books.

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