Could you share with us your journey into the legal profession? What sparked your interest in law and led you to specialize in international privacy law and corporate law specifically?
I started working as a business journalist in 1994, after graduating with a degree in commerce and economics from Bombay University (as it was called then). A chance meeting with a friend convinced me to study law, as I believed that it would improve my skills and help me become a better business journalist. (The Stock Market was still reeling from the effect of the 1992 scam and knowledge of various corporate and business laws would help.) So I enrolled to study at the prestigious Government Law College at Church gate, mostly, because it was close to my workplace and early morning classes allowed us to work all day. I signed up for a moot court competition within a few months of classes and I immediately knew that this is what I want to do in the long run! So I eventually quit journalism a few months later to focus on my law studies.
There were no privacy laws then – and my favourite subjects in college were the law of Torts, Contracts, Interpretation of Statutes and Private International law. I eventually joined Desai & Diwanji, where I was introduced to corporate commercial law, property law and commercial litigation. I wanted to become a counsel, so I joined the chambers of Snehal Paranjape and started my practice as a Counsel in the Original Side of the Bombay High Court. After a year and half I relocated to Bangalore, and as I did not know Kannada then (I am fluent now), I went back to doing corporate work and then moved in-house.
I worked for a few companies, setting up their legal function and then became the General Counsel of some large IT / ITES companies. Contracts and negotiations are the life blood and most important aspect for any corporate lawyer, and as the legal head, I was also responsible for supporting growth of the business across countries, mergers and acquisitions and compliance, apart from everything else that comes with the role. When I was the General Counsel of Minacs, the Company was acquired by Concentrix, and I set up the Compliance function at Concentrix. That’s about when GDPR happened and I was one person in the company who had no conflict of interest in taking up the role of the Data Protection Officer (DPO). So I learned all about Data Protection and Privacy and set up the privacy function. Gradually, we saw the introduction of Artificial Intelligence where the laws are even more challenging. I was also responsible to ensure that we had a framework in place to ensure ethical and responsible AI design. I learnt a lot on the job and it was very exciting and enriching for me.
In December 2023, I joined hands with my old friend, Rashmi Sharma, and we set up Kosmos Partners together.
So this is my career trajectory in a snapshot – property, corporate advisory, litigation, back to corporate transactions (this time in-house – mostly tech laws), corporate compliance and data protection and privacy, AI regulations and finally – back to practice.
You’ve had an impressive career spanning over 25 years, with significant roles in various organizations. How have these experiences shaped your understanding of international privacy law and corporate legal practices?
One can never understate the value of experience. Each and every transaction, incident, case or matter comes with its own learning. I was extremely fortunate to be at the right place at the right time and to handle the kind of matters I got to do. I was very fortunate to have the opportunity to handle quite a few mergers and acquisitions independently right at the start of my in-house career and that was a great learning. I negotiated a couple of very challenging multi-jurisdictional contracts with large corporations, who are known to be very rigid and unwilling to bend on some key terms, but we still managed to get excellent terms from them based on how we positioned ourselves. Some of these learnings taught me how to break up a problem into smaller pieces to solve it better, how to take a step back and understand the big picture, how to bring value to the table and demonstrate that, especially while negotiating.
I travelled extensively to negotiate contracts with large clients and also, as part of my role as the Compliance leader. This exposure taught me a lot about the laws and legal practices of many other countries, their cultures and also helped me understand the data protection, privacy and cyber security laws and practices in various countries. I also began to appreciate how law and privacy are closely linked to the local culture. I think it is necessary to understand the history and culture of the other country before negotiating a contract or working on compliances or data privacy requirements of that country to be more effective.
One of the biggest challenges is to try to help the business create business processes that comply with the laws of multiple jurisdictions without making it too complicated for the business.
I also learned how important it is to understand the business and its challenges before we try to teach them the law. Once we understand their challenges, as lawyers, we should partner with the business and help solve their problems in a more practical way, rather than preaching to them. Raising awareness of the laws and regulations among business teams is also very important for business lawyers.
Given the dynamic nature of data privacy laws globally, how do you stay updated with the latest developments and how do these changes impact your clients?
The only way to stay updated is to read, read and read. There are quite a few free online legal subscriptions that one can subscribe to, so one is updated of the latest regulations. Also, consider joining online groups and WhatsApp, which are good at information sharing, many of them are rather helpful too.
Could you walk us through a challenging case or project you’ve handled in international privacy law? How did you navigate through it and what were the key takeaways?
One of the most challenging project was during the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, and having to support the business teams in moving to work from home in a very short time. We barely had time to understand what was happening and we needed to move all equipment to employees’ homes in multiple countries around the same time. These had privacy and compliance implications, which we had to deal with for each country separately. Not only that, every country / city / state kept coming out with various regulations and notifications, which a couple of us were closely tracking real-time.
Soon enough, the tech teams had to come up with tools to protect the security of the data that was to processed by employees from their homes, which had even more privacy challenges. Our challenge was to walk the fine line between protecting the company and its client data and confidential information and to ensure cyber security on one hand, while on the other hand, ensuring that we do not violate privacy rights. We had a great team that rose to the challenge very well. We had to understand the needs of the business, the proposed solution, its impact on privacy and then map it against the laws of each country, so we could then work with the teams on implementing a viable solution. The biggest takeaway from such projects was the importance of team effort. Understanding the laws, of course, was important, but none of these challenging projects are successful unless everyone comes together as a larger team.
In your opinion, what are some of the most common misconceptions clients have about data privacy laws, and how do you address them in your practice?
The largest misconception clients have about data privacy laws is that they are fully compliant since they are GDPR compliant. GDPR is considered as the gold standard in data privacy, but one does not need to implement GDPR across board indiscriminately. Some clients take pride in doing that. But the Indian privacy law is more focused on a consent driven approach, and if you needlessly implement GDPR for Indian data principles, you will anyway have to take a look at everything once again.
Transitioning to corporate law, what are some of the most rewarding aspects of advising on mergers and acquisitions or structuring financial transactions? Could you share a memorable experience from your career in this field?
I have handled and led quite a few mergers and acquisitions as the legal head. Though mergers and acquisitions are long, complex and challenging transactions, they are just the beginning. The real success of a merger or acquisition lies in the integration, that follows completion of the transaction. And to ensure that the integration is complete and thorough, one must ensure that the due diligence was as complete and thorough. More often than not, sadly, due diligence is left to junior lawyers, who may not even understand the challenges in the documents they have been checking.
One very memorable transaction for me, very early in my career was a deal where we were acquiring a company headquartered in the US with a subsidiary in India. The founder had passed and his wife was unable to run the business and hence selling it. There were quite a few challenges in the deal right from the start. We found tax issues and litigation in the due diligence, both in US and India. The seller wanted to retire and did not want to be saddled with any of the issues, especially in India, so she wanted us to buy the stocks in the holding company and take care of everything, while we wanted only to buy out all the assets so we did not have to deal with their tax matters. The negotiations, led by our CFO almost came to breaking point as we could not agree on the transaction structure.
Finally, we went to our CEO and I will never forget how he broke down the transaction into smaller parts and suggested why don’t we take the stocks of the Indian company as we can deal with their litigation here since we are local and set up a new company in US and buy out the assets there, and leave the Seller to clean up the tax issues in US since she was a local there, which was acceptable to her too. We had to look at the key pain points for both parties and resolve that, and it suddenly became a win-win for both parties. The same transaction also saw the Seller sacking her CA in the middle of the transaction. She had retained the CA to negotiate the transaction as well as vet the contract for her, but it turned out that he was not really providing her much support on the contract piece. After some time, she ended placing so much trust and faith in me that she would sign any document only if I confirmed that I have seen it and it is ok for her to sign. I had to remind her that I do not represent her, but she still reposed so much trust and faith in me to draft a fair document. That was a very overwhelming experience, and something I can’t forget.
As someone who has held leadership positions in legal departments of major corporations, what advice would you give to young professionals looking to advance their careers in corporate law and privacy law?
Young professionals should try to develop an understanding of the business and develop a strategic outlook.
For in house counsels, focus on developing a deep understanding of the company’s business objectives. This involves not only knowing the law but also understanding how it impacts the bottom line. Additionally, cultivating strong interpersonal and communication skills is crucial. The ability to build relationships with colleagues across different departments, and to articulate complex legal concepts in clear and concise terms, is invaluable.
Privacy lawyers, should necessarily try to develop some technical expertise. Beyond technical expertise, develop a strategic mindset. Anticipating legal risks and providing proactive solutions is essential for career growth. Seeking out opportunities to take on leadership roles, even at an early stage, can accelerate professional development.
Also, do seek out a mentor, take their advice, and learn from their experience. Later, as you grow in your career, please do mentor juniors. It is our duty to keep grooming younger lawyers and build a legacy.
Finally, considering your extensive experience and success in the legal field, what advice would you offer to fresh graduates aspiring to follow a similar path in international privacy law and corporate law?
This is a very exciting time for fresh graduates – especially with the rapid changes to technology that we are seeing and will continue to see. The most important thing is for them to work on building a strong foundation and develop a deep understanding of the core legal principles and business fundamentals. Secondly, build a global outlook. Both privacy and corporate laws transcend borders nowadays, so it is important to stay updated on the legal and regulatory developments worldwide. Last, but not the least, as lawyers, we have to be committed to a lifetime of learning. Although Continued Legal Education is not mandatory in India, it is something we owe to ourselves. In addition, it is necessary to build a good professional network, and develop skills in legal writing, drafting, negotiations and communication and try to align yourself with a field of law that you feel passionate about. Don’t do something because it appears to be the cool thing to do. Otherwise, it will eventually wear you down. Enjoy your work and you will continue to cherish it.
Your journey in law began with an inspiration from Hindi movies. How did this fascination shape your career, and what were the initial challenges you faced as a first-generation lawyer?
From a young age, I was inspired by the portrayal of lawyers in Hindi movies, passionately advocating for justice. This fascination ignited my dream of becoming a lawyer, viewing it as a noble profession where I could make a real difference. These cinematic representations motivated me to pursue a career in law with a vision of being a beacon of hope and justice, much like the heroes on screen.
One significant challenge I faced was the lack of mentorship. Unlike some of my peers who had family members in the profession, I had to seek out mentors and resources independently. This, however, turned into a strength, making me resilient and resourceful. I learned to leverage every opportunity for learning and growth, from internships to networking events.
Entering the professional world meant proving myself in a highly competitive environment. As a first-generation lawyer, I had to work twice as hard to establish my credibility and demonstrate my skills. The early stages of my career were marked by long hours, continuous learning, and a relentless drive to excel.
Despite these challenges, my journey has taught me the value of perseverance, hard work, and the importance of building strong professional relationships, which have been instrumental in my growth and success as a lawyer.
You started your career at a leading publishing company and then transitioned to Legal Process Outsourcing (LPO). What motivated this shift, and how did your experience at Pangea3 influence your professional growth?
In 2006, as the Legal Process Outsourcing (LPO) industry was rapidly emerging, I saw an opportunity to explore this new field, knowing I could return to litigation if it didn’t meet my expectations.
I joined Pangea3 with an impressive client base, including top US law firms and some of the world’s largest companies in various sectors. I started in the corporate division where my role was reviewing, summarizing and abstracting technology, finance, and real estate agreements. This role gave me valuable insights into intricate legal transactions, enhancing my understanding of these areas.
Later, I transitioned to the litigation department, where I got an opportunity to manage teams of high-performing lawyers. Leading a team that critically evaluated and challenged every decision was a unique and challenging experience. We often worked on projects with tight deadlines, requiring long hours, including weekends. Maintaining team spirit and motivation under such high pressure without compromising quality was a formidable task.
My experience at Pangea3 significantly influenced my professional growth by developing my leadership skills, deepening my understanding of complex legal agreements, and providing me with a global perspective on legal practices.
Working with stakeholders across the globe has given you a global outlook. Can you share some key insights or experiences that have shaped your understanding of global legal practices?
Working with global companies, often involves collaboration with diverse teams, each bringing their frameworks and practices. Establishing trust and rapport with international stakeholders often requires consistent and proactive engagement. During my time managing high-value transactional agreements, I found that regular discussions with an intent to understand the stakeholders’ goals and challenges were key to successful collaboration. There is also need of clear and precise communication as concepts and terminologies can vary significantly between countries. Therefore it’s essential to articulate legal advice in a way that clients and colleagues from different backgrounds easily understand.
At Maersk, you set up and managed the legal team in India. What were the significant challenges and accomplishments during this period, and how did it enhance your expertise in complex negotiations?
One of the key lessons I learned at Maersk was the distinction between setting up a legal team versus managing an established one. My team in Mumbai, including myself, were new hires in the legal department. While my team members often looked to me for guidance, I was also learning alongside them about the work, culture, and policies. However, I was fortunate to receive valuable support from my General Counsel and CFO, who instilled confidence in me and reminded me not to be too hard on myself despite the initial challenges. My team played a crucial role in alleviating much of the pressure.
As an in-house counsel at Maersk, my role extended beyond just advising and identifying risks to actively negotiating and defending the company’s best interests while closing agreements. The hands-on negotiation experience with the support and mentorship I received, significantly developed my skills and confidence in managing complex legal matters.
Transitioning to Firmenich, you moved into the sales side of legal work. How did this shift in focus help you grow professionally, and what unique skills did you develop during your time there?
At Maersk, I was always in a dominant position representing the procurement team. In contrast, at Firmenich, I needed to be more accommodating to ensure timely deal closures without compromising the company’s interests. Striking the right balance between being aggressive and stepping back when necessary was challenging at first.
Further, at Firmenich, I had the opportunity to work with Legal Heads for Europe, Asia, and the Americas region. Each one of them had a unique style, allowing me to learn significantly from their diverse approaches.
My colleagues and seniors in the legal department were incredibly helpful and supportive, that allowed me to transition from a procurement-focused lawyer to a business-driven counsel.
With your vast experience, what advice would you give to current in house legal professionals who are looking to navigate and succeed in the ever-evolving legal landscape?
Regardless of whether you are a first-generation lawyer or not, maintaining an open mindset is crucial. Embrace the continuous learning that the legal profession demands. As an in-house counsel, it’s essential to have a comprehensive understanding of your company’s business and the nature of its transactions. This insight enables you to provide relevant and strategic legal advice.
Never hesitate to ask questions – whether about a transaction, legal concept, or business process. Seeking clarity is key to ensuring that you can offer sound legal advice.
Most importantly, cultivate resilience. The legal field can be demanding, and navigating its complexities requires the ability to adapt and persevere through challenges.
In your opinion, what are the most critical ethical considerations for in-house attorneys, and how do you ensure that these principles are upheld in your daily work?
From a young age, I viewed the law as a profession dedicated to justice and integrity. For in-house attorneys, upholding ethical principles such as honesty and transparency is paramount.
In my practice, I ensure that I present an accurate assessment of risks so that the organization can make informed decisions. I believe in providing clear and honest advice without overselling or exaggerating potential outcomes. If I am uncertain about any aspect of a legal issue, I ask for the necessary time to research and provide a well-informed response.
Can you share a personal development or mentorship experience that significantly impacted your career trajectory?
The mentorship that I received in Maersk was invaluable as I began my career as an in-house counsel. Maersk emphasized the importance of praising in public and reprimanding in private, a principle that has deeply influenced my working style. The company’s zero tolerance for any form of belittlement, regardless of a person’s seniority, reinforced the idea that effective leadership don’t require being disrespectful or domineering.
The weekly meetings with the General Counsel and CFO were particularly impactful. Their guidance not only boosted my confidence but also equipped me with the skills needed to lead high-performing teams effectively. This experience has been pivotal in my professional development and continues to shape my working style till today.
As someone with extensive experience, how do you mentor and guide young lawyers entering the field? What key qualities do you believe are essential for their success?
In India, many career decisions are often influenced by family expectations or the allure of someone else’s success. I will tell all young lawyers that don’t be afraid to take bold steps and embrace opportunities to learn, even if they seem outside your immediate area of expertise rather than simply following someone`s footsteps. While you may get inspiration from people around you, do remember that you have to pave your path to make the mark.
Key qualities for success in this field include curiosity, resilience, and a willingness to continuously learn and adapt. By embracing these qualities and valuing every experience along the way, young lawyers can effectively navigate their careers and achieve long-term success.
With such a demanding and multifaceted career, how do you unwind and relax? What activities or hobbies help you maintain a healthy work-life balance?
The role of an in-house counsel can indeed be demanding and exhausting but a strong family support helps me manage stress effectively.
For me, travelling serves as a form of therapy. I take at least one vacation each year to explore new places and immerse myself in different experiences. This not only provides a refreshing break but also broadens my perspectives.
When time permits, I find relaxation in watching movies or web series, particularly those with compelling courtroom drama. It may sound cliche, but engaging with legal dramas allows me to enjoy my passion for the law in a more relaxed setting.
STT Global Data Centres (“STTGDCI”) is a prominent name in the data centre industry. Could you share more about the company, your role and your experience so far.
STT GDC India (4th consecutive winner as Great Place to Work) is one of the leading data centre providers in India and hosts critical business infrastructure for many of the top Fortune 500 companies.
I oversee the end-to-end closure of commercial contracts for both the procurement and sales departments. My role also extends to day-to-day advisory services, resolving disputes arising from commercial contracts, and acting as the legal SPOC for regulatory matters related to sales contracts. In the past, I supported real estate transactions and handled customer recovery.
At STT Global Data Centres, I’ve had an incredible experience of working in a fast-paced, high-growth industry. My team and colleagues are extremely helpful and are willing to lend support whenever needed. My General Counsel has been instrumental in my development so far. He cultivates a positive and supportive work environment within the team. His management style is flexible, and he doesn’t believe in micromanaging, which instils confidence and allows me the autonomy to handle situations with a greater sense of responsibility.
Can you share the story of how you started your career in law and the journey that led you to become the Founding Partner of MMA Associates and a Senior Panel Counsel for the Union of India?
Incipiently, my father encouraged me to pursue judicial services, however as I delved deeper into the field, I realized that litigation was where my true passion lay. Thereafter, I started my law career as an associate Advocate at Ahlawat & Associates, whereby I was afforded opportunities to appear before CAT and DHC, gaining valuable experience in service matters. Following this, I worked as a law researcher with former judge of Delhi High Court Justice VK Jain. This experience broadened my perspective on legal research and judicial reasoning, further solidifying my commitment to the field. After completion of this role, I joined SKV Associates where I specialized in consumer law and appeared in all the DCDRC’s throughout Delhi, SCDRC and NCDRC.
The next significant phase of my career was at ASA Legal Services LLP, where I joined as a senior litigation associate and after working there for a considerable period of 6 years, whereby I honed skills in litigation and advocacy, which prepared me for the next big step i.e. venturing into private practice. Founding MMA Associates was a natural progression in my career. It allowed me to bring together my experiences and insights to build a practice that prioritizes client-centric solutions and innovative legal strategies. Concurrently, I was honored to be nominated as one of the senior panel counsel to represent the Union of India, a role that has been both challenging and rewarding. In essence, my journey in law has been one of continuous growth and learning and each step has been a testament to my dedication and passion for the legal profession.
With your extensive experience in handling a wide range of disputes, can you discuss a particularly complex case you worked on and the innovative strategies you employed to achieve a favorable outcome?
In my career of 14 years, I have encountered numerous cases involving complex issues, however, most recently, in the capacity of a nominated counsel, I received an opportunity to represent the Hon’ble Delhi High Court in a complex matter (Karan S.Thukral versus Registrar Delhi High Court & Ors, WP(C) 6082/2019) which changed the landscape of how filings are done in all District courts in and around Delhi NCR. During the course of the matter, I embarked on an extensive study and research of the existing procedures, including the various modes and manners of filing, record-keeping, and the operational constraints faced by the courts. I delved into understanding the issues related to manpower shortage, space limitations, and how these factors affected the efficiency of the judicial process.
This experience reinforced my belief that the only strategy that is fruitful, is to ensure that there are no short cuts being employed and irrespective of what the eventual outcome is, one is working in such a manner that at all times the best foot is being put forward and 100 Percent is being given.
As a nominated counsel for the Hon’ble High Court of Delhi, can you share some insights into the unique challenges and responsibilities that come with representing such a prestigious institution?
Being a nominated counsel does come with its own share of responsibilities and challenges. One of the unique challenges in this role is the need to coordinate and communicate with multiple departments, to arrive at most appropriate solution.
Another key responsibility is to present these solutions before the Hon’ble Court, ensuring the same are both legally sound and practically feasible. This involves extensive research, thorough preparation, and a careful balancing of interests to ensure that the recommendations align with the broader objectives of the judiciary as well as public interests.
Additionally, representing such a prestigious institution demands a high level of professionalism and integrity. There is an expectation to uphold the values and standards of the court, which means being meticulous in your work, transparent in your dealings, and dedicated to achieving fair and just outcomes.
You have authored a book titled “A Girl with Brain Tumour – A Story with a Happy Ending” How has your passion for writing influenced your legal career, and what inspired you to write this book?
I am a cancer survivor. I was detected with brain cancer in 2019, which was a life-altering experience. My purpose to write this book was to educate people at large about the term “brain tumor” and how one can come out of it victorious. I felt a deep need to share my story, not just to chronicle the challenges and triumphs I faced, but also to offer hope and guidance to others who may be going through similar battles. I wanted to convey that, despite the odds, it’s possible to emerge victorious. Writing this book has been a therapeutic and empowering experience, allowing me to connect with readers on a personal level and inspire them with a message of hope and perseverance.
As someone who has transitioned from being a Legal Researcher to a Founding Partner, what key lessons did you learn early in your career that continue to influence your professional decisions today?
At the very early juncture of my career, I fathomed that a litigating lawyer needs to be a very patient individual and a very good listener. Patience and being a good listener go hand in hand, which gives you enough fuel to understand the perspective of the client and enables you to resolve the respective issue involved. Often as Litigators we come across client(s) whose sole desire is that their version of the issue/lis/dispute be heard and understood by their Advocate and once their counsel listens to them is gives them immense satisfaction.
What advice would you give to young lawyers who aspire to have a diverse practice area like yours? How should they approach building a career that spans multiple legal disciplines?
My advice would be to grab every opportunity to work with different firms/advocates/senior advocates during the nascent stage of their career in order to understand/fathom their inclination/path in a particular field of law. They should embrace versatility and remain open to exploring the various fields of law. Irrespective of what task you have been assigned be it inspecting a Researching Judgments, Inspecting Court Records, Assisting the Clerk(s) etc. consider the same as an opportunity to gain knowledge. Start by gaining experience in different practice areas, even if they don’t initially seem to align with your long-term goals. This exposure will broaden your knowledge base and help you discover your strengths and interests. No work is small or big, this is the golden period for budding lawyers and they should try their hand at everything and with time they will understand in which way they want to proceed. Furthermore, if a first generation lawyer like me can do it, then you also can do it but by being curious, adaptable, and willing to learn, which shall enable you to build a career that is both diverse and fulfilling.
Given the current legal trends, what areas of law do you believe will become more prominent in the next decade, and how should legal professionals prepare for these changes?
I believe that the concept of Mediation/Conciliation and other forms of ADR will become prominent, and more and more litigants instead of filing the case in respective courts, would pivot towards resolving disputes amicably with the help of legal mechanisms provided under law such as Mediation/Samadhan centers/Online Dispute Resolution Platforms established in each and every court.
Furthermore, with the advent and advancement of Technology in the recent times in the field of law, we have to embrace the same and be adept enough to inculcate it in our work environment.
How do you balance your demanding legal career with your personal passions? Please share some of your interests other than profession. How do these interests influence your professional life?
Personally, I think too much is made out of work life balance, there are days when your work has to be your absolute priority and you wouldn’t want to be any other place apart from your work, whereas there are times when one can afford some down time and do things apart from work, for me personally whenever I get the time I like to travel and explore new places. Movies are also a big interest of mine particularly thrillers and crime dramas, I also like to dance a bit and whenever I can, I like to indulge in it.
If you could bring about one change in the Indian legal system, what would it be and why? How do you believe this change would benefit the legal community and society as a whole?
The one change I would want in Indian legal system is to recruit more efficient manpower, on both judicial and administrative side, in order to streamline the pending cases which leads to delayed justice. This change would benefit the legal community by reducing the pressure on existing judges and court staff, allowing them to focus more effectively on each case. It would also lead to more timely justice for litigants, which is crucial for maintaining trust in the legal system. Simultaneously, digitalizing court processes—such as e-filing, virtual hearings, and electronic case management—would streamline procedures, enhance accessibility, and reduce delays.
This change would benefit the legal community by easing the strain on personnel and improving case handling efficiency. For society, it would mean faster access to justice, reduced case delays, and a more transparent legal system. Digitalization would also make it easier for people to interact with the court system remotely, making justice more accessible and reducing the need for physical presence in courtrooms.
MMA Associates offers a wealth of experience and expertise. Are there internship or mentorship opportunities available at your firm for aspiring legal professionals, and how can one approach you for such opportunities?
Yes. Any interested lawyer/law student can approach us at mmatassociates@gmail.com
Hello and welcome to another episode of Super Lawyer. Today, we have with us esteemed advocate Vishal Khattar, who is the founder of Patine Law Offices in New Delhi. He is also the Additional Advocate General for the State of Haryana at the Supreme Court of India. Welcome, sir, to our episode. Thank you for accepting our invitation and for being here.
Let’s start our journey of questions and answers in a more conversational manner. Sir, I would like to begin with a very basic question. When you decided to become a lawyer, how was that journey? What kind of challenges did you encounter when you started focusing on this career for yourself?
Just a small correction: the office goes by the name of Patine Law Offices. Now, I understand it’s a unique name. I attended a school where the alumni are called Patines, so out of dedication and affection for my school, I decided to name the office after it.
I’ve been a debater throughout my time in school and college, participating in several debates and declamation competitions. I earned some good distinctions and ranks in those competitions. As a result, one day, my principal—Mr. BBS Pathania, a great man—told me, “You will become a good lawyer.” However, being from a small town, the challenge was that I scored high marks in my matriculation exams, and since I was among the top students in the state at that time, my father’s expectations shifted. He wanted me to become a doctor.
I was a medical student in school, but despite my best efforts, I couldn’t make it to medical college. There were three colleges in my city, Rohtak: one for B. Pharmacy, one for MBA, and one for law. To avoid wasting a year, I applied to all three. When I didn’t get into medical college, I was accepted into all three of these institutions. Initially, I planned to pursue an MBA, but after discussing it with my principal, who advised me to go to law school, I decided to study law. He assured me that I wouldn’t regret the decision, and I believe he was absolutely right.
So, I chose to study law because I had an interest in it from the beginning, and it turned out well. I completed my five-year law degree at Maharshi Dayanand University in Rohtak. From my third year, I started interning in Delhi, and since then, I’ve been working here.
Sir, it definitely worked out for you. It seems the path was paved by your faculty, but you’ve made a huge name for yourself.
I was fortunate to be taught and guided by such learned teachers, my professors, and lecturers. I frequently visit my college to mentor students. They often ask, “Vishal, why don’t you come here more often?” I jokingly reply, “It’s because of all the extra blessings you’ve given me that I’m so busy. If you reduce your blessings, I’ll start coming more often.”
I did my final-year internship with a very good organization—sometimes called the most preferred employer in the world—General Electric (GE). They have a finance division here called GE Countrywide, and after my internship, they offered me a job. At that time, it was quite rare for my college to receive such offers, so it was a big deal.
In fact, it was the first campus placement offer received by our department. I joined GE as a legal analyst, though it was a contractual position. During one of the court proceedings, I was noticed by a professional who referred me to ICICI Bank. Early in my career, I joined ICICI Bank as the State Head Legal for Punjab and Chandigarh.
I gained experience with corporates, working at ICICI Bank and later with Tata Capital, where I was responsible for their North India legal operations. However, I never intended to pursue a lifelong career in the corporate sector, so I eventually decided to return to practice.
Sir, with such a trajectory in your career, when did you decide to start Patine Law Offices? What was the inspiration behind its establishment? What exactly sets it apart from others in the legal landscape? Additionally, if possible, we would request you to share some of the challenges and successes you’ve encountered.
See, If I talk about motivation, it always comes when there is a loophole in the system that you want to fill or a need in the industry. In the legal fraternity, we don’t use words like ‘market’ or ‘industry,’ but obviously, the driving and limiting factors are the same. However, I always believe in focusing on the positive aspects. There were good things happening, and we were part of those good things. So, we wanted to start something good on our own. It’s time that we should get independent. I should get independent.
So, we decided to start Patine Law Offices. The name ‘Patine’ and the email ID for Patine Law Offices were things I had already created during my final year. It was clear in my mind that every lawyer wants to be independent. We were just waiting for the right time, when we had some clients who could entrust us with work.
We started Patine Law Offices with a small 300 square foot office. Slowly, we have been able to serve clients from both corporate and non-corporate. We have a reasonable number of practice cases from non-corporate clients, as well as from corporates. In the corporate sector, we are involved in finance, banking, Fintech, and then also in the automobile industry. We have some e-commerce clients, and now we’ve started working in FMCG as well. Being a first-generation lawyer, I had to hustle for every client and for every bit of learning.
About six months ago, we started some operations in the UAE as well. We’re working for two clients in Dubai—one is a Fintech client, and the other is in renewable energy. So, we’ve started working for them as well. Every benchmark we’ve reached has been a story of hustle for us.
But I believe every first-generation lawyer has to go through that. You have to keep learning, reading, and seeking references every time. You’ll face rejections because clients tend to go for big names. This is a trend in our industry.
It’s like when you want to go for a bypass surgery, you’ll always ask who’s the best doctor. No one asks for a doctor who’s available; they want the best. The same principle applies to some extent in our profession—clients want big lawyers. But you have to find those who can trust you.
We were fortunate to find some clients who trusted us. Some corporate officers who had worked with me at that time knew how I performed, and somehow, things worked out.
So, sir, given this fact, you are holding currently, a very esteemed office of being an Additional Advocate General for the state of Haryana, at the Supreme Court of India, which in itself is one of the very prestigious things.
We would request you to shed some light on this particular role and the insights related to the responsibilities and how do you face the challenges, what kind of things do you do over there because that also will become an aspiration for learners as well.
For a litigation lawyer, it’s a very important milestone to have the opportunity at some point in their career to work for a public undertaking or the government.
When we talk about government panels or government cases, the documents, orders, laws, working methods, protocols, and hierarchy—these are things you can only learn when you start working for them. Like any other litigation lawyer, I was also looking for such opportunities.
So, when this position was advertised, I applied for it. I was fortunate enough to be appointed as one of the nine Additional Advocates General (AGs) for Haryana. My role involves handling cases in the Supreme Court.
So in these cases, in government work, there is a well-organized structure. Duties are well-defined, protocols are clear, and there is a very detailed bureaucratic structure. The protocols, documents, and their implementation are all clearly laid out. This makes it a great learning experience for any litigation lawyer working on a panel. Every case comes with its own challenges.
Sometimes, students or juniors who are close to us ask very genuine questions. They often ask, ‘What is the main challenge? How long will it take for me to become a good lawyer? How long will it take to become an independent lawyer?’ I remember something I learned from a senior at the Delhi High Court.
When I used to sit in the canteen, feeling worried, he would come up to me. Once, I remember discussing my concerns with him. He asked me, ‘What happened? You look very upset. What’s on your mind?’ It was 5:30 p.m. at the Delhi High Court. I told him, ‘I’ve been working so hard for two years, and though I’m earning, it’s not what I hear from seniors—about getting many cases, high fees, and having a good office.
He told me, ‘Look, our legal profession is not like an aircraft; it’s like a train. In a train, you have to stay on track. There’s no provision for overtaking. If you try to overtake, you’ll have an accident. There’s no going faster than your schedule, because if you do, you risk an accident. And if you slow down, someone will hit you from behind. All you can do is stay on time and keep moving. This is how a train operates, and this is how our profession works too.
Every day, you need to start at the same time, reach the courts on time, meet your clients properly, meet your deadlines, and do your research timely. If there’s a new law coming in, give extra time to study it. You need to keep improving. If you follow this schedule, just like a train, that’s how you’ll succeed in this profession.
And believe me,’ he said, ‘believe me, Khattar, every station will come. If you stay on track, you’ll reach every station.’ From this, I understood that perseverance is essential in this profession. You need to be consistent, regular, sincere, and disciplined. Whatever benchmarks are set for any professional lawyer, you will achieve them.
You know, my first mentor in Delhi was a Special Public Prosecutor. He used to speak to me in Punjabi and would say, ‘Khattar, you should know how to work, and then you should get work too. So these are the raw standard things we have learned from our seniors.
Absolutely beautiful standards and tried-and-tested tracks. The way they have taught you— ‘Kaam aana bhi chahiye aur kaam milna bhi chahiye’—is an absolute gem. Even running like a train is fascinating. But sir, you were ready to accept that as well, which is very important when someone is teaching or guiding you.
You took it as a challenge to follow this, and I believe that has probably been a key factor in your success. Sir, with all of this in mind and knowing that you specialize in constitutional law, what kind of thought process do you observe in the current generation? Since you encounter many individuals joining you as interns or juniors, how do you guide, train, or mentor them to contribute meaningfully to legal reforms and societal progress, particularly through constitutional law matters?”
Over time, as we began receiving more work related to commercial and marketing law, our main focus shifted to handling contractual and commercial cases—what we often refer to as ‘bread and butter.’ However, constitutional law has always been my favorite subject.
Whenever we receive a brief involving a constitutional issue or aspect, I make sure to keep that brief on my table and not delegate it to anyone else. This is a very good question and one of my favorite topics of discussion with new joiners in my firm. This perspective is something I learned from one of the great mentors I had.
He once quoted some lines from the Bhagavad Gita, telling me, ‘You are part of a bigger system. This bigger system means you are contributing to something larger.’ Let’s consider it in a straightforward way: A person whose rights have been infringed—whether by a family member, a government agency, or a private company—is unable to get what he rightfully deserves. He goes to a lawyer, and what does the lawyer do? The lawyer ensures that his case is presented correctly before the judge, and that justice is delivered to him. And not just justice, but meaningful justice—justice that is also executable.
As they say, justice should not only be done; it should also be seen to be done. So, justice shouldn’t only be on paper. This is what a lawyer does for such a person. If society is suffering from injustice, it is you who are ensuring, through your professional advice and service, that justice is imparted.
When justice is imparted, it restores balance. A society only survives and sustains itself when balance is maintained. Without balance, society will not survive for long; it will become chaotic. Therefore, young lawyers must understand that you are not entering this profession solely for its glamour or money.
You are not entering this profession just to become a good advocate. You must also realize that you are becoming part of a bigger system, and you will contribute to maintaining balance in society. The key to that balance, in this country, is our Constitution. You need to have trust in our Constitution.
You need to have trust in your country. Cursing the Constitution or the country won’t help. What helps society is having trust in the Constitution. The best thing the Indian Constitution provides is balance in society.
For the weaker sections of society, it strengthens them. For those who wish to speak for themselves, it empowers them. For those with different opinions, it empowers them as well. For state authorities and bodies that wish to work, it gives duties to the citizens toward those authorities.
It is a balance: you have rights, and you have duties. So, trust the Constitution. If you are able to work on and win some constitutional cases in the form of writs or public interest litigations, and make a difference through the orders you obtain from these petitions, you will be performing your duties in a more meaningful way.
Unlike many other constitutions that focus primarily on rights without emphasizing duties, ours strikes a balance. I may be wrong, sir, but that’s my understanding of our Constitution. The passion you’ve shown is overwhelming for me, especially when you discuss these matters with young lawyers. They also need to connect with societal progress as you do, giving back to society.
Sir, how do you involve or engage young lawyers, and how do you advise them on handling cross-border litigation or cross-border cases? Since you are involved in many domestic and international cases, I’m sure there must be some learnings that differ from how we work in India compared to how international entities operate in the legal field.
What insights or learnings would you like to share with the learners?
One thing I always make clear to anyone joining my firm is that you’ve entered a profession where, mark my words, the hard work required is extraordinary. When I say extraordinary, it is extraordinary. So if you want to run away, run away now, because you will never like yourself to be a kind of lawyer, wherein you will be spoiling cases of your clients, or him suffering losses because of your mistakes.
You might recall the recent NEET issue where memes were circulating about doctors who graduated that year making such mistakes. You don’t want to become that kind of lawyer. So, the first thing I make them realize is that today is your first day, and this is your first file.
There is no point keeping them busy for another year, just doing research, so that by the time they are in actual practice, they’re 28 or 29 years old and considering switching careers to pursue an MBA or GMAT. No, the only practice that we do here is different from other firms, and I have been a junior in many other firms also, so we allocate cases on day one only.
If not the entire case, then at least a part of it, so they have something to work on right from the start. Every day, you’ll find all my associates attending court, either virtually or physically, carrying the files. We are a pure litigation firm.
Another thing that I felt was missing in my previous experience with firms is the lack of interactive sessions. My associates expect me, as their mentor, to guide them on how a case should be handled. While I can’t do every time, I make sure that every seven to ten days, or every two weeks, we sit down together. I pick up one case or a specific issue, and we all gather in the conference room. I then explain the case, discuss how it’s being handled, and how it should be handled, along with some standard rules of drafting, pleading, and convincing—essentially, how these cases should be done.
Sometimes, I do this on an individual basis as well. This kind of one-on-one teaching and interactive session was missing during my junior ship at other firms. I always felt that if I’m working with a successful lawyer, I should benefit fully from their experience, rather than just being impressed by their performance.
So that’s what we are doing. And one thing we’ve noticed across all litigation firms is the new kinds of assignments we’re receiving. Corporates have now started thinking that since we are the lawyers handling their cases in court, where their agreements, contracts, and other documents are being interpreted by the honorable courts, we should be the ones drafting those agreements as well.
I believe it was around six years ago when we received an assignment from one of our leading passenger car manufacturers. They asked us to come to their office in Pune, stating that the redrafting of their agreement had to be done there. We were surprised because such assignments typically don’t come to us; they usually go to specialized drafting lawyers. But they explained that what needs to be included or excluded in the agreement is something we only learn in court. Since we’re the ones who defend and argue these points in court, they felt we should be the ones drafting the agreements as well. So, we conducted a two-day workshop and began the drafting process.
Now, this has become an additional task for my associates, who, while primarily focused on litigation, are also learning the art of drafting contracts.
And believe me, with both drafting and litigation coming under one banner, the outcome will likely be fewer litigations in the future. If you have a well-crafted agreement, it leads to fewer disputes, which will directly and positively impact the health of businesses in the country. This approach will also help reduce the burden on the courts.
As a small, first-generation law firm, we are committed to this idea. I believe there isn’t a single associate in our firm who doesn’t have a client assigned to them. Each associate handles at least one client, either independently or as part of a team of two to three people.
Wow! Sir. You are such an amazing law firm and the strategy is so good. Actually, the thing which you are talking about is absolutely innovative and it will rise to a standard where there will be lesser litigations related to it. You being so busy with all of these commitments, professional, and obviously your office commitment, then being an AAG as well is a bigger commitment.
How do you recharge yourself or unwind yourself from this kind of commitment centric approach? And are there any hobbies or activities which you keep on doing with your law office as well? Because obviously everyone is going through some of the other stress for sure. So how do you unwind yourself?
What kind of activities do you follow?
The way our schedule is, ma’am, this is a tricky question to ask a lawyer. Most of us might tell you that we play golf, but honestly, we don’t even have time for that. Let me share an incident I learned from one of my principal associates, Vandana. That day, someone was accompanying me, and I had a sudden change in the timing of a meeting.
I was back from court and was supposed to meet someone at 12:30 PM. The meeting got rescheduled to 2:00 PM, and this associate of mine was with me. When she returned, she was asked, “What does he do when sir’s meeting gets postponed by an hour?” She replied, “He goes to Connaught Place, takes a full round on foot, and buys some books.” The person then asked, “What happened? Why do you ask?” She said, “He took me with him, and we went walking for a full round.”
So, that’s what I do. If a meeting gets delayed and I have some time, I go to Connaught Place, take a full round, and visit some bookshops. It’s also a learning experience for young lawyers.
Read as much as possible. You never know when a topic will come up, and if you’re well-read, you’ll be ready with a response. The more confidently and content-rich you respond, the more it adds to your personality as a lawyer. The more books you read, the better you’ll evolve in your career.
In my free time, I read books. I still prefer older authors—I’m yet to be impressed by any new ones—and I hardly get any time. Although I have plans for the future, I’m not sure if they’ll happen. The best way to cool your mind and relax is to meet some friends at the High Court lobby and talk about this and that. After some time, we’ll end up talking about our children and how they’re growing up.
Other than that, we mostly talk about watches and pens.
Absolutely amazing and honest answer from your side.Yes, reading should be a favorite pastime for everyone. It’s a very new thing that everyone talks about everything around books. But if all of us will start sharing those wisdoms as well, it will help the people who work with us, although we talk about it, but somehow the books are not there in hands and I feel like that is something which I see only in High Courts and Supreme Courts that all our learned friends, they definitely carry books now. Earlier also it was the reality and now also.
Sir, given this particular inclination towards books and you’re always interested in reading and finding new books, many a times juniors or the new entrants, they have this particular point that we do not have this much to invest in this. How should we go ahead and do it? Sir, I would request you to answer this because we all have gone through this particular phase where we do not have enough to immediately buy so many books.
So how can we garner that particular reading habit? Probably you will be able to guide us through that as well.
When I started reading, I was in school and had access to a library. Later on, I realized that I could ask the librarian for a book I had heard about, even though there was no Google at that time.
All the new books’ information used to get published in Hindustan Times usually on the second or third page. I would tell my librarian about the book I wanted, and he advised me to write an application to the principal requesting it. When I went to university, I had access to a much larger library.
Then I began studying international law, but there wasn’t enough material in the central library at my university. So, I started coming to Delhi. I would take a bus from Rohtak to Delhi or a train that dropped me at Tilak Bridge, and from there, I would walk to the Indian Society of International Law (ISIL), which has an excellent library for international law. I also had friends who helped me access the Indian Law Institute (ILI) library. Delhi has some great libraries, and although books can be quite expensive, libraries are invaluable resources.
You know, if you start buying 10 books, for example, I can read around 10 books over a period of one to three months, it can cost around 3,500 to 4,000 rupees, which is not feasible for a young lawyer. We have WhatsApp groups, so why don’t we have a system for sharing books? My daughter does it.
I’ve noticed that my daughter, even though she’s a growing teen and doesn’t share everything with me, but I’ve seen that she shares books with her friends. Though there is an old saying, my father used to tell me in Punjabi: One who lends the book is a fool.
The one who returns that book is an even bigger fool. So, if you truly want books to be your friends, you have to follow one rule. I can’t recall the author’s name, but he once said, ‘Before buying a new coat, buy a new book.’ I think youngsters should understand this old-fashioned diversion of funds. If they grasp its importance, it will significantly benefit their careers. Especially considering those Gen Z slangs—they’re getting into them, and I wonder where these slangs will be useful. God bless them all
Books offer a profound way to understand the art of storytelling and the essence of contentment. They teach you how to balance a paragraph, a line, and how to learn from experiences that took place thousands of kilometers away from where you live. When you choose an author with the skill of storytelling, you can feel those experiences as if you were there. You can realize that this is so much richer than the 10- or 20-second reels or shorts we often watch, which are only made perfect after 20 or 30 retakes, right?
And the beauty of learning a language can bring so much. You’ve learned the language, you bought all the beads and threads from the market, and you made a necklace out of it. This is how a book is written. The author or the writer learns the language, gains experience, and talks to people. You know, writers are a different kind of species.
So they do wonderful things, beautiful things. If you get to see that beauty in a book, then let it imbibed inside you. Tomorrow, you will start performing more effectively because of those books. This proves the saying: before buying a new coat, buy a new book.
Sir, this brings me to ask you about your views related to technology. How is it helping us and our future grow in terms of legal practice considering everyone is skeptical about the disruption that technology has brought in. It has reduced our reading time and everything about technology’s impact on us is questioned.
How do you see it affecting legal practice as well? And what kind of future do you foresee that may help us grow? How do you get acquainted with technology better?
As far as litigation and other allied services in the legal industry are concerned, we have tried most of the technologies, including ChatGPT and research tools, as well as references provided by some companies. However, I have yet to find a satisfactory solution. I share this opinion with many of my friends and colleagues as well.
We have yet to find a truly helpful technology that would effectively bring about or disrupt this industry. The reason, I believe, is that a more humanely touch is required in handling matters and preparing briefs. Initially, when we started using ChatGPT, we realized that the volume and number of contracts processed even in a particular region are so vast that even an AI might fail. The main issue is that if you cannot properly customize a contract for a client, it is of no use. Even one small mistake can turn the entire agreement into a disaster.
The same goes for drafting your cases as well. So when it comes to technology, particularly the technology that is often discussed, I believe the real game changer is yet to come, if it is coming at all in the future. I have spoken to many AI lawyers and some AI experts, and it seems the transformative impact is still awaited. The good thing is that we started using resources like Manu Patra and SCC since college.
This paperless approach, which has emerged, has significantly reduced the burden of maintaining a law office. My office is almost paperless. As for law reporters, the new generation of lawyers never really used physical law reporters or books. Our fathers, who were not lawyers, had different practices.
So we never inherited those practices from them. The only difference I now see is that when we used to do research from books, we often ended up reading something extra as well. However, if a new associate or lawyer adapts to this modern method of research and also does extra research in their free time, these tools like Manu Patra, SCC, and other websites are very nice, well-organized, and their search functions are excellent. They are also widely accepted in courts. Technology helps everyone—it helps you, it helps me. We saw during the COVID days how technology kept the courts functioning. Now, we take all our briefs on our iPads and tablets, and we have many software tools that help us with note-taking.
As a practice, we often hold a pencil rather than a pen. But one thing, I don’t know why sometimes I think if, in another four or five years, when the next junior associates come to us, they might call me old school. However, believe we should not leave the habit to write, read, and read randomly also, anything.
Somehow, I have this belief in my mind that if you are using technology, you should not leave the habit of writing. Whenever a client comes, we take notes, we have journals. Even today I keep a journal in my own handwriting. So new lawyers who are joining this profession or are very much new to this profession should know, do not lose the habit of writing.
Do not lose the habit of reading and do not lose the habit of maintaining a file also if it is required. Let technology grow. I believe that tomorrow it can help us even more because today it’s only partly helping us.
Thank you, sir, for taking us back to that era of reading, writing, and taking journals. Sir, we are already towards almost the end of the interview.
We would request you, sir, to share some of your insights that you believe are essential for the new entrants or the interns who are seeking opportunities at Patine Law offices as well as others. And if you could share some insights as well about characteristics or attributes that you prioritize while selecting or taking the candidates to join your team.
One thing I always tell them is that lately, as you’ve also noticed, a lot of law colleges have emerged. I don’t know whether I should say this or not, but if you look at the quality of teaching, it has declined in these law colleges. You need to inform a law student about what the profession will look like so that they can start preparing themselves accordingly.
Students will come to us after completing 12 internships, and then I would ask them 10 questions, but they cannot answer 11 of them. The reason is that the idea being circulated to these students is that they need to do an internship at a prestigious place, but they are not asked what they have actually learned. Whenever I ask, they just say they’ve done an internship with this or that judge.
So what did you learn? They never used to tell us anything. If you don’t have anything to share, don’t include it on your resume. The first question I ask anyone applying to my firm is, How much did you score in your matriculation exams? Now, people will tell me, even my daughter, why marks are important? But they are important. It’s not that the subjects of matriculation and 12th grade are important.
What’s important is whether you were able to work hard and move forward. The academic performance you show us will help us understand if you can perform when given an assignment or not. A student who scored 65 percent in 10th grade but achieved 75 percent in 12th grade is more impressive to me than a student who scored 90 percent both times, because it shows that the student was able to improve and turn things around.
This is what he will be doing in this profession as well—interacting with police officers, district-level judges, high court judges, bureaucrats, and public prosecutors. He should not, however, say that he can only communicate with certain types of people and not others.
All students should understand that academics are very important. The second thing is that you need to work on both your written and spoken language skills. This is a profession where you cannot compromise at all. When I say language, I mean both Hindi and English. When you are talking about working in North India, you cannot compromise by saying I don’t know how to read Hindi Just because you learned in a convent. We have been taught by ex-army and navy officers. But one thing we know is that every language has its own glory and you have to learn it. Even today, there will be many drafts which will be coming across which will be in Hindi. So you cannot come tomorrow and say, I want an English version of it.
This is how I make the assessment for any associate or a young student who is applying for an internship or a job with our firm. I want this message to go to all young students: stop saying academies do not matter. The people who are motivating you on Instagram or those featured in shows like Shark Tank are often from IITs and IIMs.
You are law students, and IITs and IIMs are often the first choices for many. If you are starting in this profession, remember that it requires extraordinary hard work. You have to read extensively, work diligently, and be consistent. You also need to take care of both your mental and physical health. If you can manage all this, you are entering one of the world’s most wonderful professions.
From any point of view—whether it’s learning, building confidence, or earning—this is the best profession you can be in. The only condition is that the hard work required will be extraordinary. There is no compromise. It’s a railway track: you cannot overtake it or jump over it
Thank you for such an honest opinion and a beautiful enriching experience we have had so much learning today. Thank you, sir, once again, for being here and accepting our invitation at SuperLawyer I hope our learners will understand the critical importance of you saying all these things that you can not only depend on online learning, you have to get into the field and you have to be like railways where you cannot jump and race.
You just have to be on time and keep on moving. That’s the best possible advice you can get. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you once again.
A very warm welcome to everyone! The SuperLawyers team is back with another enriching and informative session. Today, we are thrilled to introduce our guest, Mr. Avinash B. Amarnath. Thank you so much for accepting our invitation. Avinash sir is currently a Partner in the Competition and Disputes team at Chandhiok & Mahajan Advocates and Solicitors. He leads the firm’s Hyderabad office and South India disputes practice, specializing in advising clients on complex competition law and dispute matters.
A very warm welcome from the entire SuperLawyers team.
Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be here.
Sir, after a decade of commendable excellence in the legal profession, could you share with us why you chose law? Was it a calling, or a conscious decision from the start?
For me, law has always been part of the family. My father is a practicing lawyer, and my mother, though not a practicing lawyer, is a law graduate. However, law was never imposed on me—I had the freedom to choose. I would say it was a conscious decision. Honestly, I chose law almost by a process of elimination. I didn’t want to pursue science, and I had a choice between commerce and law. Law seemed intriguing, especially because I had an interest in humanities during school. I felt that studying law would allow me to explore subjects like political science, which is why I chose it.
That was concise and insightful. Moving on, you’ve been working in the corporate sector for years now. What keeps you going in this environment? Do you have any particular routine or professional discipline that you follow?
So, I think the first thing I would say is that the routine that works for me may not work for everyone. My first piece of general advice is that everyone has to find their own routine. However, a few tips I’ve noticed that generally help include sleeping early, waking up early, and avoiding screen time.
You’ll find that you actually have a lot more time in the day than you think, especially if you follow these guidelines. It’s also very important, particularly in this stressful corporate culture, to prioritize your family and yourself.
One of the best pieces of advice I received as a young lawyer was from someone who used to run a law firm. This advice has stuck with me for a long time, and I try to follow it: no matter how much work you have or how tight the deadlines, always dedicate three to four hours to the following things:
Spending time with your family.
Engaging in physical exercise.
Pursuing any personal hobbies.
Guard this time scrupulously and strictly. This is what I try to follow to maintain discipline. Of course, the most important thing in this is that, the corporate culture demands flexibility.
So, while this is a routine, it often gets broken, and you have to be innovative. For example, I travel a lot, and when I do, some of this strict routine gets disrupted. But you have to be innovative and find alternatives.
If I’ve been traveling too much, I make sure to completely reserve that weekend for my family. Even when I’m traveling, I try to fit in quick 10 to 15-minute exercises in the morning. This is something I’ve realized over time. It took me 10 years to figure out this routine, so it will take time. As I mentioned at the beginning, this works for me; it may not work for someone else. The idea is to find your own routine and what makes you tick.
Thank you, sir. I’m sure we all recognize the importance of limiting screen time and balancing various aspects of life, especially in such a high-pressure environment. This wisdom is particularly valuable for those of us just starting out. Let’s move on to our next question: Dispute resolution involves a lot of strategizing and planning. How did you develop your flair in this area, and how much do you enjoy it?
Absolutely. I was fortunate to have very good mentors and guides when I started in the profession. The most important thing in litigation, especially in strategizing and planning, is paying attention to detail. One of the first things I was told very early on is to read the entire file—whatever it is, even if it’s a small transfer petition matter.
Even if the matter is just getting adjourned, I was still told to read the file as thoroughly as possible, front to back. This habit, ingrained in me from the beginning, made me realize that sometimes, the more you read and reread, new things come to light that you wouldn’t have noticed before.
This attention to detail really helps in planning and strategizing. When a client first approaches you, they provide a broad perspective, often their own, which may not be reflected in the documents. So limiting yourself to just what the client says isn’t sufficient. You need to verify their perspective by examining the documents. As I mentioned, the devil is in the details.
This practice slowly developed my flair for this work. The more I read, the more confident I became with the case, and the better I could strategize. It’s a process of evolution, right? As a young lawyer, your role is often limited to knowing the facts well. If you have a strategy, great, but usually, you’re expected to have a solid understanding of the facts, along with thorough legal research.
As you grow older in the profession, you start engaging in actual strategizing. It’s like a game of chess—you make a move and see how it plays out. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. When it doesn’t, you go back, regroup, and try a new move. It’s a constant game of chess, and I enjoy that.
Strategizing and planning, especially in litigation, is like sports. It’s not always going to be a perfect victory on the first try. There will be setbacks, but what’s important is to focus on the long-term goal—for both the client and yourself—and work towards that in the best way possible. You may lose some small battles, but the idea is to win the war, not every single battle. That’s how I approach and enjoy it.
You have been involved in a lot of high-profile cases. That has received media attention. And we all know how media attention can turn both ways. It can celebrate you one day. It can suddenly criticize you unnecessarily the other day. How do you keep calm in these specific high-profile matters where really high stakes are involved?
I think I’ve been a bit fortunate because I haven’t had to face intense media pressure directly. However, there were instances where difficult questions were asked, and I received calls from media houses seeking comments on a very contentious case. In such situations, we were strictly instructed by the client not to make any comments.
Generally, in cases, I always try to focus solely on the case itself and block out any external noise, as I call it—whatever is happening outside. I believe that in high-profile cases, it’s even more important to understand that your role is limited to being a lawyer in that case and not to worry about the repercussions or consequences. Your job is to provide the best strategy, whether it’s a defense or prosecution, and offer the best advice to your client. The outcome is not in your hands, nor is what people make of it or think about it. You have to let it go. In one word, you need to develop a thick skin and ignore what the media is saying.
Moving on to the next question, your academic excellence at King’s College is truly commendable. As someone who has studied both in India and abroad, how was your law school experience different there compared to India?
I should start by saying that my law school experience was 10 years ago, so I’m sure things have changed in India since then. However, back then, my experience in India was that law education was still heavily focused on rote learning and less on application. When I studied abroad, that was the biggest difference I noticed.
The way classes were conducted there was different. Typically, in India, you come to class, open the book, and learn the concept then and there. But there, the structure was different—you were given a set of reading material before class, and you were expected to read it on your own. This might also be because it was a master’s course, so there was an assumption that most people already had a basic understanding of the law. Still, I really liked that system. You do your reading at home, and when you come to class, you’re taking the discussion to the next level. You’re applying the knowledge you’ve already gained to difficult questions or discussing specific, controversial, or complex topics in more detail.
Even the exams were different. The questions were mostly problem-based, requiring you to apply what you’ve learned and provide solutions, rather than just reproducing information. This was a significant difference for me. Another major difference was the encouragement from the faculty to have and express opinions. They would encourage students to form their own opinions and make it clear that there is no right or wrong answer, as long as you can back it up with solid logic. They might challenge your logic if they disagreed, but if you could defend your position, they respected that. This openness and application-based learning were aspects I truly enjoyed at King’s College.
That was very interesting. I’m sure law schools in India are also starting to embrace these changes, though we still have a long way to go in fully adopting application-based learning. How did this experience shape your legal perceptions once you returned to India and began practicing?
To be honest, it was partly that education, but also working with some lawyers here who were educated abroad, that really changed my entire perspective on law.
In most subjects in India, let me take law or even medicine as an example—you’re often considered a good doctor if you can quickly prescribe the right treatment. Similarly, the expectation for lawyers in India is that you should know every section and answer legal problems on the spot, complete with section numbers and details. However, I realized that’s not what practicing law is really about, nor is it what makes a good lawyer.
It’s impractical for a lawyer to know every single law by heart, especially given the vast range of knowledge required. What’s important, and what changed my perspective, is knowing how to read and interpret the law. When presented with a problem, you should be able to identify the relevant subject, pick up the relevant law—perhaps one you’ve never read before—and immediately apply yourself to it. You should be able to analyze the law and argue points based on the definitions and sections. The focus should not be on merely retaining knowledge, but on how to use that knowledge effectively and strategize.
So, in that sense, my approach to practicing law changed completely. I no longer stress about remembering every detail; instead, I focus on how to strategize and apply the knowledge that’s available in front of me.
How to read the law is such an application-based concept, which we should all imbibe no matter whether or not our colleges and our educational setups are telling that. We can definitely make it a practice. Thank you so much, sir.
Talking on these lines, sir, how do you balance this personal life with professional commitments, any hobbies or any passion, or interests, that keeps you lively?
As I mentioned earlier, I think it’s important to revisit the discipline points we discussed because maintaining those habits helps me balance professional and personal life. I want to touch on hobbies, but something else just came to mind. When you’re at work and you get a call from home, you might answer, but usually, even if you do, you say, “I’ll call you back, I’m at work.” I believe the key is to give that same level of importance when you’re at home, spending time with family, or doing something personal. There will be emergencies, and sometimes you genuinely need to take a call and work, and I completely understand that. However, more often than not, if someone calls you, even if it’s from work or a client, you can tell them, “I’ll call you back.” It’s important to give the same respect to your personal time as you do to your work time. If someone calls you while you’re with your family, it’s okay to tell them, “I’ll call you back in a bit.”
Now, regarding hobbies, I’ve always been a sports fan, particularly passionate about cricket, especially test cricket. When I’m not working, I’m usually either following cricket, trying to play wherever I can, or discussing it with everyone I know. One of the things I love about sports is how it parallels what we do as lawyers, especially in court. It’s like a game of chess, similar to sports where you constantly see strategies and counter-strategies. I find that very appealing, so I try to follow and play sports as much as possible.
Moving on, how would you compare the corporate work culture in law firms versus the litigation culture in chambers? If you had to choose between the two, which would you prefer based on your experience? Could you elaborate on that?
Sure. Both have their pros and cons, and I’ll explain my preference based on my personal reasons. I found litigation chamber work more appealing, but I think the ideal scenario is to combine the best aspects of both, which I see happening, especially in our firm.
In corporate work culture, one of the pros is that you are more directly in touch with the client, which gives you a very different understanding. In corporate and commercial law, there’s a legal position and a commercial reality. For a client, especially a company or a business, the end goal is that commercial reality—whether they’re trying to make or save money or achieve some other goal. The legal position may not always support that goal, so the challenge is to find an alternative or a middle path that satisfies that goal while staying within the confines of the law. In pure litigation chambers, responses can be more black-and-white: “This can be done, this cannot be done.” But in a corporate law firm, you develop the art of finding solutions, saying, “This strictly cannot be done, but we can explore this alternative.” That’s crucial as a commercial lawyer—you have to be solution-oriented, not just give yes or no answers.
Another advantage of law firms is that you get more time to work on a particular case. In litigation chambers, files often come to you the day before a hearing, leaving you little time to fully understand the case. In a law firm, you might work on the same case for two to three months, allowing you to interact with the client, get all the necessary clarifications, and build a strong strategy.
On the downside, one con of law firms, and this varies, is that sometimes there’s too much focus on presentation—form over substance. A document might look very polished, but if the substance isn’t strong, it shouldn’t pass the test. Another con is the lack of court time—you don’t get to go to court every day, maybe once a week or a few times a month.
In litigation chambers, the focus is primarily on the substance because you don’t have time to worry about presentation. The emphasis is on points of law, developing legal arguments, and finding and interpreting judgments. In a litigation chamber, you’re expected to read judgments thoroughly, knowing both the points that favor you and those that don’t. Plus, being in court every day is a significant advantage.
However, a con of litigation chambers is the lack of time to fully apply yourself to a file, as you would in a law firm.
At Chandhiok & Mahajan, especially within the disputes team, we’re trying to combine the best of both worlds. We don’t just recommend briefing senior counsel for every matter; we’re happy to argue cases ourselves, which gives us the litigation chamber experience while also benefiting from the client interaction typical of a law firm. We try to push for this as much as possible, although it’s ultimately the client’s preference.
So, to sum up my long-winded answer, I would say that combining the best of both worlds would be my ideal scenario.
Thank you, sir. Talking about work and everything, first of all, since you have been involved with dispute resolution and you so beautifully summarize the entire strategizing process as a game of chess, how do you think the new ADR mechanisms, such as the mediation bill, will impact India’s ADR structure in the coming years?
I think we’ve all realized that with arbitration, certain mistakes were made as a system, which is why it hasn’t worked the way people had hoped. The main issues were delays and court interference. If we don’t repeat those mistakes with mediation, I believe it could be very effective—perhaps even more so than arbitration. The reason is that mediation is fundamentally based on the consent of the parties. In arbitration, you consent to having a decision made by someone outside the court, but in mediation, you consent to the substance of the settlement itself. This significantly reduces the scope for court interference.
I think we’ve got a great opportunity now, and rightly so, the government is pushing mediation as a preferred form of ADR. However, we must be cautious and learn from our past mistakes. Firstly, we need to minimize court interference. Secondly, it all comes down to the will of the parties involved. Sometimes, as litigation lawyers, we see ADR as just another method to delay things. Everyone might agree to mediation, but they might not take it seriously. The mindset often is, “Okay, it will go into mediation and take another six months.” If that’s the approach, it won’t work.
So, perhaps some level of court interference could help. Currently, once a case enters mediation, courts are very hands-off, and extensions are given when requested. I think courts should perhaps ask for interim reports on how the mediation is progressing. If the court feels it’s not working out, it might be better to pull out of mediation rather than prolong an unnecessary process.
I genuinely hope mediation works, but it will come down to addressing these challenges and the will of the parties involved.
Understood, sir. You’ve highlighted several important aspects, and it’s crucial to exercise caution as we move forward with the mediation bill and act, as you mentioned, to avoid repeating the same mistakes and to hope for a better structure. Sir, this next question is from young lawyers and law aspirants who are in the early stages of their careers. As someone who has emphasized the importance of strategizing, what advice would you give to those who are struggling to find a strategy in the initial phase of their legal careers?
I would say, keep it simple. Sometimes, people tend to project law as more complicated than it really is. So the first thing I would say is, don’t worry—it’s not rocket science. I often tell my colleagues that people who work in science and innovation require a much more complex skill set. Law, at its core, is a social science; it’s human-related.
One of the key aspects to understand is that it’s a lot about psychological insight, especially for litigation lawyers. Of course, you need to know the substance of your matter, but it’s equally important to understand who you’re talking to and where they are coming from—not just the judge, but also your client. This is something we focus on extensively in our sessions. One of the most important things to remember is that the client is ultimately a human being with certain considerations. Understanding what the client wants and the pressures they are under can make things a lot easier.
The only other piece of advice I would offer is that young lawyers today are much more aware of their rights, which is a very good thing. They demand work-life balance, recognizing it as a right rather than a luxury, and they are comfortable with technology, which makes them efficient. However, I would advise them to occasionally go back to being old school. With technology, you might miss out on important details, and those details are crucial. So, use technology to your advantage, but don’t forget the importance of manually double-checking and thoroughly reading every document. It’s sometimes good to be old-fashioned in this regard.
If you’re feeling confused about your career path, I’d say there are many opportunities in law now, so don’t be afraid to try different things. Coming out of law school, it’s impossible to be clear about what you want to do because you don’t get enough exposure. Internships can help, but they don’t provide the full picture. So, try out different things—corporate law, litigation, clerking, media reporting—everything. Don’t think it’s too late to make changes. There’s plenty of time to find your niche.
Sir, the way you’ve elaborated on this point, particularly the notion that coming out of law school doesn’t always equip you with the decision-making skills needed to know exactly what you want to do, is a relief to many of us who are just starting out in our careers. We also appreciate the emphasis you’ve placed on planning and the balance you’ve achieved at your firm. So, what are your long-term plans in terms of your personal trajectory in this profession, as well as your plans for your firm?
I was working in Delhi until two years ago, and most of my career has been based there. For both professional and personal reasons, I saw a unique opportunity to come to Hyderabad and set up an office. I believe Hyderabad has a lot of untapped potential, and the proposition we’re building here is unique. We’re aiming to run an entire South India disputes practice out of Hyderabad.
We faced several challenges initially, especially when virtual hearings weren’t common, as travel could be quite a problem. But thanks to the initiatives taken by the current Chief Justice of India, high courts are now hybrid, which really helps us manage matters. For district courts, we sometimes have to rely on local counsel, but overall, it’s a very unique proposition, and I’m enjoying the roles we’re building here.
My immediate goal is to continue developing this practice into what we envisioned—a comprehensive South India disputes practice. In the long term, I plan to continue in litigation, with a particular focus on competition law. I don’t see myself leaving competition law, as it’s a specialization I consciously chose early in my career. Eventually, I hope to argue more matters in court and continue doing interesting work.
Your insights have been amazing today. Once again, thank you so much from the entire team of LawSikho and SuperLawyers. We are sure that with the wealth of practical experience and tips, which you have given us today, we have benefited all the young ones.
Can you share some key milestones in your 9-year career as a civil lawyer? Please allow us to walk through your journey.
My upbringing was immersed in legal discussions as my father, Mr Rakesh Malhotra, an established lawyer, handled high-profile cases and provided legal aid to those in need. Despite financial constraints, these clients compensated him with unwavering loyalty and respect. Witnessing this left a lasting impression on my brother, Mr Kushal Malhotra, and me, shaping our understanding of the legal profession. Since then, we have strived to emulate his dedication and principles.
During my tenure as a civil lawyer and senior partner at Tritent Legal LLP, I have undergone a remarkable and transformative journey marked by numerous challenges and triumphs. My unwavering faith in God and a steadfast commitment to my work have granted me the strength and clarity to navigate the intricacies of the legal profession.
In the early stages of my career, establishing myself in a competitive field proved daunting. Despite moments of uncertainty and setbacks, the invaluable learning experiences balanced these challenges and shaped my approach to law. A significant early success was securing a favourable order in my first week of litigation, boosting my confidence and solidifying my reputation within the firm and the broader legal community.
A defining aspect of my career has been my involvement in legal aid work, focusing on representing clients from underprivileged backgrounds. Winning cases for these individuals has been profoundly rewarding, and witnessing their relief and gratitude is a powerful reminder of why I chose this profession—to make a tangible difference in people’s lives.
In addition to these victories, mentoring young lawyers has been an honour, as I encourage them to pursue their passions while upholding the highest standards of integrity and dedication. Their growth and achievements bring me tremendous pride, as do the respect and recognition I have earned from my colleagues and clients.
Throughout this journey, the support of my team, my parents, and my mentors has been instrumental. Their unwavering encouragement and belief in my capabilities have been a driving force, propelling me to overcome challenges and celebrate victories with humility and gratitude.
Overall, my career has been a long, emotional, yet motivating journey, filled with challenges and profound moments of satisfaction. These experiences have enriched my professional life and strengthened my determination to continue advocating for justice and equality for all.
Each day, I am reminded of the privilege of serving as a voice for those in need and the profound impact that dedicated legal work can have on individuals and communities.
In conclusion, the transition from witnessing my father’s legal practice to leading a successful law firm, Tritent Legal LLP, has been a profound evolution guided by a fundamental principle—the commitment to good work. This commitment is reflected not only in the high-profile cases in our portfolio but also, more importantly, in the continuation of a tradition that places pro bono work at the heart of our legal practice. It is a commitment to justice, compassion, and the understanding that the true impact of the legal profession extends beyond courtrooms and legal precedents—it resonates in the lives touched and the societal change fostered through the pursuit of justice for all.
What motivated you to pursue a career in civil litigation? How do you envision the future of civil litigation evolving, and how are you preparing for it?
With unwavering conviction, I’ve chosen to pursue a career in civil litigation. My deep-rooted belief in the law’s ability to champion justice and amplify the voices of the overlooked has been the driving force behind my decision. The intricacy and dynamism of civil litigation have always captivated me, offering unique opportunities to grapple with complex legal matters and deliver powerful resolutions. I take on the responsibility of representing individuals and organizations in disputes with utmost reverence and dedication.
When I envision the future of civil litigation, I foresee a rapidly evolving landscape propelled by technological advancements and the emergence of artificial intelligence. These groundbreaking innovations are poised to revolutionize the legal sphere, reshaping how we approach e-discovery, case management, client interactions, and legal research.
Integrating AI-driven insights and automation tools can bolster our analytical prowess and streamline processes, resulting in more efficient, precise, and accessible legal services. Our commitment to harnessing technology is instrumental in ensuring that our firm remains competitive and adept at meeting the diverse needs of our clients.
Furthermore, the legal domain is experiencing a noticeable shift towards embracing alternative dispute resolution (ADR) methods like mediation and arbitration as clients seek cost-effective and expedited solutions. This transformation necessitates a focused drive towards honing negotiation and conflict resolution skills, which I actively pursue to provide clients with innovative and tailored solutions.
By embracing these methods, we can offer flexible approaches that align with our client’s objectives and priorities. Sailing through the future requires vigilance in adapting to new laws and regulatory challenges arising from societal and technological advancements. Staying abreast of these developments is pivotal to offering informed and effective representation to clients. Whether deciphering the implications of new data privacy regulations or adapting to changes in employment law, a proactive approach ensures that we can anticipate and address the challenges that lie ahead.
I am dedicated to perpetual learning and professional development to thrive in this dynamic environment. At Tritent Legal LLP, we cultivate a culture of innovation and adaptability, encouraging our team to partake in ongoing educational opportunities and embrace pioneering ideas and methodologies. This proactive approach doesn’t just bolster our firm’s capabilities but reinforces our commitment to delivering exceptional service to our clients. As we embark on this journey into the future, I am both exhilarated and prepared to confront the challenges and seize the opportunities. With a firm foundation of integrity, excellence, and client-centred service, I am confident that we will continue to wield a positive influence in the legal profession and beyond, championing justice and propelling progress in an ever-changing world.
How do you manage and balance your extensive responsibilities as a senior partner at Tritent Legal?
Balancing the extensive responsibilities as a senior partner at Tritent Legal LLP is like juggling flaming swords while riding a unicycle—it’s all about focus and timing, with a dash of humour to keep things light! Effective time management and delegation are key to managing these responsibilities, allowing me to focus on what truly matters while ensuring our firm operates smoothly.
One of my guiding principles is to emphasize effort over outcomes. I constantly remind my team to care about their efforts when pursuing a case rather than getting overly fixated on the results. After all, if you love what you do and give it your best, everything tends to fall into place. This mindset helps us stay motivated and passionate, even during the most challenging times.
Delegation is essential in maintaining balance. I trust our talented team to handle significant tasks and decisions, fostering a collaborative environment where everyone feels valued and motivated. By leveraging our team members’ strengths, I can concentrate on high-level strategic initiatives and client relations, knowing that the daily operations are in capable hands.
Time management is another crucial component of my approach. I allocate specific blocks of time for focused work, client meetings, and team collaboration while keeping some flexibility to handle the unexpected. Regularly reviewing my schedule and adjusting priorities ensures I stay agile and responsive to the ever-changing demands of legal work.
Maintaining a healthy work-life balance is also essential for long-term success and well-being. I make it a point to spend time with family, pursue personal interests, and care for myself. After all, a happy lawyer is a productive lawyer, and a balanced life enhances both professional performance and personal fulfilment.
Of course, I do make mistakes, but I view them as valuable learning opportunities. Each mistake is a chance to gain insight and improve, and I believe in moving on with lessons learned. Ultimately, managing and balancing responsibilities as a senior partner involves a combination of strategic planning, effective delegation, and a healthy dose of humor. I strive to lead Tritent Legal LLP with integrity and a smile—values I’ve learned from my father, who is the managing partner. By fostering a supportive and collaborative environment, embracing flexibility, and prioritizing professional and personal well-being, I aim to lead with the same integrity and warmth he embodies.
You have been recognized with several awards and honors, such as the Indian Achiever’s Award and being appointed as an Amicus Curiae. How do these accolades impact your professional journey?
The recognition of receiving several awards and honors, such as the Indian Achiever’s Award and being appointed as an Amicus Curiae, has profoundly influenced my professional journey. These accolades are not just a validation of my hard work and dedication, but also a source of motivation and inspiration. They remind me of the responsibilities that come with being a lawyer and the trust placed in me by many people.
Receiving the Indian Achiever’s Award was a significant milestone that reinforced my commitment to excellence in the legal profession. It’s gratifying to see our efforts at Tritent Legal LLP being recognized on such a prestigious platform. This award has not only bolstered my confidence but has also heightened my sense of responsibility to uphold the standards of integrity and professionalism it represents.
Being appointed as an Amicus Curiae was another honor that allowed me to contribute to the legal system in a different capacity. This role provided an opportunity to offer impartial advice and contribute to the development of legal principles in cases of significant public interest.
These accolades carry the weight of responsibility, as many look to me for guidance and leadership. They enhance my visibility within the legal community and beyond, opening doors to new opportunities for collaboration and leadership.
They inspire me to continue pursuing excellence and contribute meaningfully to the legal field, all while maintaining the values of integrity, fairness, and service that are central to my practice. Looking ahead, these recognitions also motivate me to set higher goals and seek further achievements. I am committed to continuously improving and expanding my contributions to the legal profession, ensuring that I continue to meet and exceed the expectations set by these honors.
What advice do you offer to aspiring legal professionals under your mentorship?
Dear aspiring legal professionals under my mentorship, I would like to offer some comprehensive guidance. It is paramount to always uphold fairness and honesty in your interactions with both yourself and your superiors, as integrity forms the bedrock of a prosperous legal career. When approaching your duties, do so with a clear purpose and have faith in your own abilities, understanding that the pursuit of excellence is defined by your unwavering commitment to doing your absolute best. Regard your professional journey as an ongoing process, akin to a wolf ascending a hill; concentrate on the climb and the continual advancement rather than fixating on attaining a specific high-ranking position. Even as you accomplish significant milestones, remember that the journey persists, presenting an array of new challenges and prospects to pursue. Embrace each phase with modesty and enthusiasm, relishing the experience of development and knowledge acquisition. By maintaining this outlook, you will not only thrive in your career but also discover fulfillment in the voyage itself.
How do you stay updated with evolving legal precedents and industry trends?
I am looking forward to staying updated with evolving legal precedents and industry trends through a dynamic and engaging approach. While it will certainly be challenging to keep pace with the constant flow of new information, I am excited about actively seeking out diverse sources of knowledge. I am eager to read legal journals, periodicals, and online resources to stay informed about recent case law and regulatory changes. I am also looking forward to attending conferences, seminars, and continuing legal education (CLE) programs to gain valuable insights and stay connected with current discussions in the legal community. I am excited about engaging with the people around me to learn and grow. I am looking forward to interacting with colleagues, mentors, and clients, gaining insights from their experiences and perspectives. Observing court proceedings will also be a vital source of learning for me, as it will allow me to see firsthand how legal principles are applied in practice. In addition, I am eager to follow influential legal blogs and thought leaders on social media to stay updated on emerging trends and debates. At the firm, I am enthusiastic about encouraging knowledge sharing by organizing internal discussions and workshops on recent developments, fostering a collaborative learning environment. As our elders used to say, “Don’t waste your time but keep your head and mind open to learn.” This mindset will help me gather knowledge and stay adaptable, ensuring that I remain at the forefront of legal practice and can provide the best possible representation for my clients.
How important do you believe internships are for securing a position at Tritent Legal LLP? Can you share any advice for interns looking to transition into a full-time role within your firm?
Internships at Tritent Legal LLP serve as a crucial bridge between aspiring legal professionals and our esteemed firm, providing a vital opportunity for both interns and the firm to assess the potential for future collaboration. These immersive experiences offer hands-on training that allows interns to gain insight into our firm’s unique culture and operations, while enabling us to evaluate their skills and commitment. For individuals aspiring to transition into a full-time role, my recommendation is to approach your internship with a blend of eagerness and proactive determination. Display a proactive attitude by enthusiastically embracing new challenges and demonstrating genuine zeal for the work. Pursue additional responsibilities that resonate with your interests and career objectives, surpassing the fundamental requirements.
Maintaining a steadfast commitment to professionalism in all interactions and tasks is paramount, as it underscores your dedication to upholding our firm’s exacting standards. Seize every learning opportunity by actively seeking feedback and leveraging it to enhance your performance.
This willingness to evolve and adapt demonstrates resilience and a dedication to continual improvement. Equally crucial is comprehending and aligning with our firm’s culture and values. Communicate your career aspirations and illustrate how your skill set and ambitions harmonize with our mission and values.
By amalgamating enthusiasm, a growth-oriented mindset, professionalism, and cultural alignment, you will not only showcase your worth but also instill confidence in your ability to make a substantial contribution to our firm. Your proactive endeavors and unwavering commitment will pave the way for securing a permanent position, steering you toward a successful and rewarding legal career.
Balancing a demanding career with personal life can be challenging. How do you manage work-life balance, and any hobbies or interests that help you unwind
Juggling a high-pressure career with my personal life can be quite an adventure, but I tackle it with boundless enthusiasm and a dash of humor. I must establish clear boundaries between work and personal time, allowing me to fully immerse myself in activities that rejuvenate and inspire me. I love unwinding with music – both playing and listening – as it provides a much-needed creative escape from the daily hustle. And guess what? I’m currently diving into the world of dance(Just Kidding) ! It’s a whole new journey that brings immense joy and growth to my life. While I am still mastering golf, taking up dancing reaffirms my belief that it’s never too late to embrace new experiences and keep learning.
Cricket is my ultimate passion – whether I’m playing in a friendly match or cheering from the sidelines, it’s a thrilling physical outlet and a wonderful way to bond with friends who share the same zest for the sport. And family time? It’s priceless. From shared meals to engaging activities and simply enjoying each other’s company – family time is the foundation of my life, providing unwavering support and boundless joy. By intertwining these diverse interests into my daily routine and making family time a top priority, I create a vibrant and fulfilling life. This perfect blend of relaxation, play, and personal connections not only enhances my well-being but also ignites my drive and effectiveness in both my professional and personal pursuits.
Can you share what inspired you to pursue a career in law and how you embarked on this journey?
Growing up, I always had a keen interest in understanding the intricacies of systems, whether economic, social, or legal. However, after completing my Economics Honors degree, I was still determining my next steps and decided to take the Delhi University LLB exam. The decision to sit for the Delhi University LLB exam was initially driven by practical considerations; law seemed like a vocational course with promising career prospects.
However, as I delved into my law studies, I developed a keen interest in commercial laws, particularly in the area of Intellectual Property (IP). This interest was sparked during internships at leading IP firms, where I witnessed the importance of trademarks and other IP elements in protecting business identities and innovations. My enthusiasm for law translated into academic success; I consistently ranked among the top 5% of my batch, which comprised around 800 students. My dedication led to an opportunity with Anand & Anand, a prestigious IP firm, which marked the beginning of my professional journey in law. What started as a pragmatic decision evolved into a fulfilling career focused on the intricate and impactful field of IP law.
You’ve managed high-stakes litigation for leading companies. Can you describe one of the most challenging cases you’ve handled and the key takeaways from that experience?
In my career, I’ve been involved in several trademark litigations, successfully enforcing rights related to brand names, logos, trade dresses, copyrights, and other similar IP rights. One of the most challenging cases I’m currently handling is an ongoing appeal at the Delhi High Court in a patent matter. The dispute centers around the appropriate jurisdiction for filing an appeal against a refusal order issued by the Delhi Patent Office, despite the patent application being initially filed in Mumbai. We contend that the Delhi High Court should have jurisdiction since the refusal order was passed in Delhi.
The case took a complex turn when a single judge bench at the Delhi High Court declared the appeal non-maintainable. We have now escalated the matter to a division bench, seeking a reconsideration of the jurisdictional issue. This case is particularly intriguing as it could set a precedent for similar jurisdictional disputes in IP law. The outcome will significantly impact the strategic considerations for patent litigation in India. The ongoing appeal is a testament to the complexities and nuances involved in IP litigation and underscores the importance of jurisdictional clarity in legal proceedings. [FILO EDTECH INC. Vs UNION OF INDIA LPA 375/2024]
As an expert in Intellectual Property Law, what do you consider the most critical elements when managing trademark prosecution and litigation?
In managing trademark prosecution and litigation, I find that the most critical elements revolve around preparation, strategy, and adaptability. First and foremost, comprehensive research is key. Before filing a trademark, it’s crucial to conduct thorough searches to ensure the mark is distinctive and doesn’t infringe on existing rights. This groundwork helps avoid potential conflicts and sets a solid foundation for the trademark’s protection.
Another important aspect is strategic planning. Anticipating challenges whether, during the prosecution phase or in potential litigation, allows us to develop a proactive approach. For instance, being prepared for opposition or knowing when to negotiate versus litigate can significantly influence the outcome.
Communication also plays a vital role. Clear and persuasive communication with clients, examiners, and even opposing parties can make a big difference. Whether, it’s drafting responses to office actions or presenting arguments in court, articulating our position effectively is crucial.
Lastly, I believe in staying adaptive and informed. The landscape of IP law is constantly evolving, so keeping up with the latest legal developments and industry trends is essential. This not only helps in staying ahead of the curve but also in providing the best possible advice to clients.
Overall, it’s a mix of thorough preparation, strategic thinking, clear communication, and continuous learning that I find most critical in managing trademark prosecution and litigation.
What emerging trends in corporate and intellectual property law do you believe will shape the future of legal practice, and how should legal professionals prepare for these changes?
Emerging trends in corporate and intellectual property law are increasingly shaped by advancements in technology, particularly AI. AI is revolutionizing how we draft legal documents, from contracts to IP pleadings, by streamlining the process and handling repetitive tasks more efficiently. This shift is exciting because it allows us to focus more on the strategic aspects of our work and provides clients with faster turnaround times. However, while AI can handle many routine tasks, we legal professionals must remember that the nuanced understanding and strategic insight we bring to the table can’t be replicated by machines.
To prepare for these changes, we need to embrace technology and stay updated on the latest tools and trends. Learning how to use AI effectively will enhance our productivity, but we should also focus on developing skills that complement these tools, such as critical thinking and personalized client interactions. By combining technological proficiency with our unique legal expertise, we can continue to add significant value and remain indispensable in a rapidly evolving legal landscape.
You developed an online certificate course on Copyrights for Lawctopus. How do you see the role of online education in shaping the future of legal training?
Online education is revolutionizing legal training by making valuable knowledge more accessible and affordable. Platforms like Lawctopus, where I developed a course on Copyrights, exemplify how online courses provide keen learners with the opportunity to dive deep into specialized areas of law without the constraints of traditional, lengthy, and costly degrees. For me, online courses have been a game-changer. When I wanted to expand my practice to include complex corporate law assignments such as multi-jurisdictional M&As, advisory on equity structures, cross-border transactions, and corporate restructuring, these well-crafted courses allowed me to gain the necessary expertise efficiently and economically.
The beauty of online education lies in its ability to offer flexible learning options that cater to various levels of expertise and interest. It empowers professionals to stay current with evolving legal trends and deepen their knowledge base, all from the comfort of their own homes. This democratization of education not only enhances individual careers but also contributes to a more knowledgeable and agile legal community.
Outside of your professional life, do you have any hobbies or interests that you feel contribute to your legal thinking or problem-solving skills?
Outside of my professional life, my hobbies play a significant role in enhancing my legal thinking and problem-solving skills. I’m an avid reader with a broad range of interests, including fiction, history, and philosophy. Additionally, I have a strong interest in personal development literature, which offers valuable insights into human behaviour and decision-making. This diverse reading habit sharpens my critical thinking and helps me approach legal issues from multiple perspectives, enriching my problem-solving abilities.
Travelling is another passion that complements my legal work. Exploring different cultures and engaging with people from various backgrounds provides me with unique viewpoints and approaches to problem-solving. This exposure fosters a more adaptable and open-minded approach, which is essential for tackling complex legal challenges. Both reading widely and travelling allow me to bring fresh insights and innovative solutions to my legal practice.
As someone deeply involved in the legal aspects of emerging technologies, what do you see as the most pressing IP challenges in areas like AI and cybersecurity?
In the realm of AI, one major challenge is defining and protecting intellectual property rights for innovations that are driven by machine learning algorithms. Determining ownership of AI-generated inventions or works can be complex, especially when AI systems are creating novel solutions without direct human intervention. This raises questions about patentability and copyright, and whether current IP frameworks are adequate for these advancements.
In cybersecurity, the challenge is ensuring that our intellectual property is safe from cyber threats. One notable example was when I was involved in a case where a company’s proprietary encryption algorithms were compromised during a sophisticated cyber-attack. The breach not only jeopardized their trade secrets but also raised complex questions about the effectiveness of their security measures and their legal obligations to protect their IP.
A key technical challenge here was understanding the intricacies of how the encryption was bypassed. This required working closely with cybersecurity experts to assess the vulnerability and determine how it could have been exploited. We had to delve into the specifics of the encryption technology, analyze the breach, and then figure out how to fortify the IP protection moving forward. This experience highlighted the need for a legal approach that’s deeply integrated with the technical aspects of cybersecurity. It’s not just about having legal protections in place but also understanding the technology to ensure that our IP safeguards are robust and adaptable to evolving threats.
Considering your diverse experience, if you could create a new area of IP law to address future challenges, what would it be and why?
If I could create a new area of IP law, it would focus on AI-generated innovations and Ownership Rights. As AI technology advances, it’s increasingly capable of generating new inventions, designs, and creative works autonomously. However, current IP frameworks are struggling to keep up with these developments, particularly in defining ownership and protection for AI-generated outputs.
The new area of law would address several key issues: establishing clear guidelines for determining ownership of AI-generated inventions, defining the role of human contributors versus AI systems, and creating a framework for protecting AI-created intellectual property. This would involve setting standards for patent and copyright eligibility when an AI is the primary creator and resolving disputes related to the rights of the developers versus the AI itself.
This proposed IP domain is crucial because it would ensure that as AI continues to innovate, the legal system can adequately protect and manage these advancements. It would help address the gaps in current IP laws and provide a structured approach to the future of creativity and invention in the age of AI.
You’ve witnessed the rise of digital platforms and their impact on IP. How do you envision trademark and copyright law evolving to address challenges in the digital space?
On the trademark front, online counterfeiting is a significant menace that demands more effective legal measures. In the digital landscape, where brands are prevalent across social media, online marketplaces, and app stores, companies face persistent issues with unauthorized use of their trademarks. This often involves numerous counterfeiters operating anonymously or under false identities, making it challenging to address each instance individually. Therefore, trademark law needs to implement more robust policies and practices to combat these widespread infringements efficiently. Instead of pursuing multiple litigations against individual offenders, we need a streamlined approach that can address these issues comprehensively and proactively.
As regards copyright, the digital revolution has made it incredibly easy to copy and distribute content, which complicates enforcement. I’ve dealt with cases where copyrighted materials were pirated across multiple platforms, making it a daunting task to track and address infringement. The law will need to evolve with better digital rights management tools and more effective takedown procedures. Additionally, as user-generated content becomes more widespread, we need to rethink how copyright law balances protecting original works by accommodating the way people build upon and remix existing content. This may involve developing new legal frameworks that both safeguard the rights of original creators and support the collaborative and adaptive nature of digital creativity.
As someone who’s navigated law firms, what insights can you share about the different dynamics and challenges in these environments?
Navigating law firms across different cities has given me a unique perspective on the varying dynamics and challenges in these environments. While the essence of law firms remains consistent—a client-driven focus aiming to provide top-notch services and build strong portfolios—there are notable differences influenced by local practices and court systems.
For instance, I’ve observed distinct operational nuances between law firms in cities like Delhi and Mumbai. The Delhi High Court and the Bombay High Court, for example, have different procedural practices and court cultures. Understanding these regional variations helps law firms tailor their strategies and services to better meet local demands and navigate the specific challenges of each jurisdiction. It also highlights the importance of adaptability and local expertise in providing effective legal solutions across different cities.
What inspired you to pursue a career in law, and how did your education at ILS Law College and your qualification as a Company Secretary contribute to your professional development?
I find the dynamic nature of legal work exciting. In the corporate world, the landscape is constantly shifting—new regulations emerge, industries evolve, and global markets interconnect in unprecedented ways. Each day brings forth a fresh set of challenges that demand not only legal acumen but also strategic commercial thinking and a nuanced understanding of business dynamics. Whether negotiating a complex merger, drafting a crucial contract, or navigating regulatory hurdles, I am driven by the impact my work can have in value creation for my clients and the broader business community.
ILS Law College, with its strong alumni and emphasis judicial services focuses on jurisprudence-based teaching, which gave me a robust foundation of legal practice and legal perspective. Complementing this, my Company Secretary qualification offered a comprehensive grasp of corporate law procedures. I believe having dual degrees positively enhances my credibility, reinforcing my ability to deliver comprehensive legal counsel.
With extensive experience in corporate transactions, what are some of the most challenging deals you have worked on, and what were the key factors that led to their successful closure?
I recently concluded a brand acquisition which involved bifurcation of a long-standing family business. The transaction involved complex nuances of brand identification and family settlement. In such transactions, there are multiple layers of commercial and legal negotiations involved. Bringing all the elements together under one umbrella was a challenging task. The transaction’s success hinged on rigorous due diligence, effective communication among stakeholders, extensive negotiation rounds, and a comprehensive grasp of regulatory framework. Skillfully navigating these intricate challenges and anticipating potential hurdles was pivotal in achieving a seamless transaction. My team’s ability to navigate these complexities and foresee potential obstacles was critical in ensuring a smooth transaction.
How do you approach mentoring junior lawyers at EVA LAW, and what qualities do you believe are essential for their growth and success in the legal field?
At EVA Law, we’ve consciously moved away from the traditional hierarchical culture that is common in many law firms. Our approach to mentoring junior lawyers involves fostering an environment where designations and titles take a backseat in favour of hands-on experience, open dialogue, and regular feedback.
We encourage junior lawyers to immerse themselves in real-world legal challenges from the outset. Practical experience is invaluable, and we ensure that they have opportunities to work directly on transactional documents and negotiations. This hands-on approach not only builds their confidence but also sharpens their analytical skills and deepens their understanding of legal complexities.
We prioritise continuous learning and the importance of effective research, because a fail-safe differentiating factor that a young lawyer can have is ‘knowledge’. We encourage our lawyers to be approachable and reliable, qualities that build trust and enhance collaboration within the team.
From your time as an Associate at Thakker & Thakker to your current role as a Partner at EVA LAW, what are some of the most significant lessons you have learned that you would like to share with young legal professionals?
As an associate, I was often tasked with reviewing extensive documentation, which underscored the critical importance of attention to detail. Ensuring accuracy and thoroughness in these tasks established my reputation for reliability among peers and superiors. In my role as a Partner at EVA Law, I am required to think beyond the immediate legal issues and consider the broader business implications of my advice. One invaluable lesson which I would like to share is that as a lawyer one should constantly question the rationale behind our actions. This vision drives us to delve deeper into our work, gaining a thorough understanding of our decisions and ultimately enhancing our professional capabilities.
Another significant lesson I learned early on was the importance of accountability and that one should not have an ‘employee mindset’. Even as a junior lawyer, I took a lot of pride in my profession and felt personally answerable and accountable to the client, before sending any draft to a senior.
To young legal professionals, I would advise that while legal knowledge is fundamental, the ability to connect with clients and colleagues is equally essential. Strive to be reliable and approachable, and always be prepared to go the extra mile to deepen your understanding of the law and its application.
As a prominent female leader in the legal field, what challenges have you faced, and what advice would you give to young women aspiring to enter and excel in this profession?
I feel fortunate to have had incredibly supportive mentors who have treated me as an equal and provided me with the flexibility to manage both my professional and personal responsibilities effectively. Building rapport and trust with colleagues and mentors, irrespective of gender, is crucial. My mentors could always rely on me to balance my professional engagements while having a fulfilling personal life.
For young women aspiring to enter and excel in the legal profession, my advice is to remain confident in their abilities and seek out supportive mentors who can guide and advocate for them. It is equally important to advocate for oneself, assert your value, and consistently strive for excellence in all aspects of your work.
Have you been involved in any pro bono work or initiatives? How do you believe legal professionals can contribute to social justice and community service?
Pro bono work represents a crucial avenue for legal professionals to contribute to social justice and community service. Legal professionals can contribute to social justice through pro bono work by advocating for marginalized communities, supporting nonprofit organizations, and assisting individuals facing legal challenges.
What is your vision for the future of EVA LAW, and how do you plan to contribute to its growth and success in the coming years?
Given our strong foundation and the significant strides we have made in just under a year, my vision for EVA Law is to continue focusing on its expertise, client-centric approach, and innovative solutions in the legal landscape. Client relationships will always be at the core of EVA Law’s success
What motivated you to pursue the Company Secretary (CS) qualification alongside your LLB, and how has this dual qualification benefited your legal career and the clients you advise?
The motivation to pursue the CS qualification alongside my LLB stemmed from a desire to deepen my understanding of corporate governance and regulatory compliance. This dual qualification has enabled me to provide holistic legal advice that encompasses both legal and corporate governance perspectives, thereby adding significant value to the clients I advise.
Outside of your legal career, what personal hobbies or interests do you pursue, and how do they contribute to your overall well-being and professional performance?
Beyond work, spending quality time with my family is a top priority. After work hours, I look forward to going home to my daughter, who eagerly waits to share every little detail about her day. This time together is incredibly precious, and it helps me unwind and recharge. Being involved in her life while being able to effectively contribute and enjoy my work brings a sense of fulfilment and joy that balances the demands of my professional life. In addition to family time, I have found yoga and meditation to be immensely beneficial for my overall well-being. Practicing yoga and meditation provides a much-needed mental respite from the pressures of work.
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Can you share with us how you started your career in law and what motivated you to choose this field? Could you please walk us through your journey?
Since childhood, I’ve been known for my courage, fearlessness, assertiveness, and strong sense of justice. My approach to everything has always been logical and evidence-centric—things were either black or white for me. Even from a young age, my parents recognized that my debating skills were unmatched because I always backed up my arguments with solid evidence. I have a deep-seated intolerance for injustice or bullying, and I’ve always felt compelled to stand up for innocent people.
My journey from being a girl from Guwahati to establishing myself in Delhi has been filled with challenges. I graduated from college in 2008 without any influential connections or shortcuts. I started my legal career by diligently navigating through district courts, district forums, and eventually gaining experience in the High Court and Supreme Court. I strategically planned my career progression, focusing initially on trial experiences before advancing to higher courts. Subsequently, I made the transition to the corporate sector.
Through my diverse experiences with various lawyers and law firms, I have earned a solid reputation within the organizations I have served. My dedication and hard work have been recognized with numerous accolades and awards along the way.
You have over 16 years of experience in various legal domains. How has your journey evolved over the years, and what are some of the significant milestones?
My journey has been a thrilling roller-coaster ride, marked by both successes and setbacks. Through it all, I’ve remained extraordinarily hardworking and persistent. My strong willpower has consistently propelled me forward, regardless of the challenges.
Early in my career, I had the privilege of learning from accomplished lawyers who have carved out distinguished reputations in the field. Their mentorship taught me invaluable legal skills.
Reflecting on some significant milestones, one standout moment was in a service matter where we faced a particularly challenging situation. Through diligent research, I unearthed a case law remarkably similar to our case, and it had been adjudicated by the same judge hearing our matter. This discovery proved pivotal, leading to our victory. I vividly recall my senior exiting the courtroom, giving me a high five, and attributing our success to my efforts—a moment of profound recognition.
Another memorable achievement was successfully representing a previous organization in the Supreme Court. It was a daunting case with slim chances of winning, but meticulous preparation and thorough counsel briefing enabled us to secure a l win and I ended up recovering a substantial amount for the organization.
Additionally, I fondly remember negotiating a critical endorsement agreement where the opposing party was a renowned law firm. As the sole negotiator from our organization, I effectively closed the deal on mutually agreeable terms. This accomplishment delighted our department head so much that he even offered me the opportunity to meet a Bollywood icon, though I graciously declined, the gesture left me elated.
Throughout my career, I’ve also contributed significantly to business transfer agreements and IPO processes, enhancing my professional journey and earning multiple accolades along the way. Each milestone has shaped me and reaffirmed my passion for the legal profession.
You’ve successfully negotiated numerous complex agreements. Can you share a particularly challenging negotiation experience and the key takeaways from it?
Negotiating a contract is a critical process that exposes you to potential risks inherent in the business deal. It’s crucial to accurately capture the business understanding and protect your organization from risks and defaults. In one instance, during negotiations where the other party held significant leverage as the revenue generator and threatened not to sign the agreement, I remained composed. I patiently explained the rationale behind each clause, ensuring they understood how each provision aligned with the overall deal. This approach ultimately led to agreement and closure.
The key takeaway from this experience is to always provide clear rationale behind your suggestions or edits during negotiations. It’s essential for the other party to understand your thought process and how it aligns with the objectives of the deal. Additionally, it’s important not to succumb to pressure and agree to clauses that may be one-sided or disadvantageous to your organization.
How do you believe your work in the legal field has helped companies achieve success and gain knowledge, and what role does legal support play in business growth?
I have made significant contributions in business transfer agreements and IPO processes. These efforts have generated substantial revenue, goodwill, and reputation for the companies I have served. Additionally, as part of legal teams, our vigilant monitoring of risks and proactive mitigation strategies has shielded companies from various threats. We protect brand values, recover outstanding dues, and draft contracts that effectively preserve our rights and remedies. Collectively, these actions significantly contribute to the growth of any organization.
Balancing a demanding career with personal interests is challenging. How do you manage your work-life balance, and what hobbies or activities do you enjoy in your free time?
Yes, achieving work-life balance can be challenging. However, whenever possible, I prioritize spending quality time with my daughter. We enjoy engaging in various activities together such as colouring, reading, dancing, and watching movies.
With the legal landscape constantly evolving, what are some emerging trends in corporate law and compliance that you believe will shape the future of the legal profession?
Certainly! In India, the legal landscape in corporate law and compliance is evolving rapidly, driven by regulatory reforms, economic changes, and technological advancements. Here are some emerging trends that are likely to shape the future of the legal profession in corporate law and compliance:
Digital Transformation and E-commerce Regulations: With the rapid growth of digital platforms and e-commerce in India, there is a need for robust regulatory frameworks governing data protection, cybersecurity, electronic contracts, and consumer rights. Corporate lawyers will need to navigate these evolving regulations to ensure compliance and mitigate legal risks for companies operating in the digital space.
Regulatory Technology (RegTech) and Legal Tech Adoption: The adoption of RegTech and Legal Tech solutions is on the rise in India, offering innovative tools for legal research, compliance monitoring, contract management, and regulatory reporting. Corporate lawyers who embrace these technologies can enhance efficiency, reduce costs, and provide strategic advice to clients.
Ethical Business Practices and Corporate Ethics: There is a growing awareness and importance placed on ethical business conduct, transparency, and corporate integrity. Corporate lawyers are expected to advise companies on adopting and implementing ethical frameworks, whistleblower policies, and conducting internal investigations into misconduct allegations.
These emerging trends highlight the dynamic nature of corporate law and compliance in India. Corporate lawyers who stay abreast of regulatory changes, industry developments, and technological innovations will be well-positioned to navigate complexities and provide value-added legal solutions to their clients.
Your career includes a significant transition from being an associate lawyer to a legal consultant. What prompted this change, and how did you make the choice to shift from a traditional law firm role to a consultancy position?
I’ve always had a passion for exploring diverse areas. If you look at my career trajectory, I’ve immersed myself in every aspect of litigation that a lawyer could possibly undertake. After gaining extensive experience across various courts, I made a deliberate move into the corporate sector to delve into its intricacies and challenges.
What advice would you give to young legal professionals aspiring to build a successful career in corporate law and litigation?
Whatever you pursue, do it with passion, dedication, and honesty. Integrity is crucial. Trust that your honesty, dedication, and hard work will eventually yield rewards. Embrace your struggles and difficult times—they shape who you are today and will make you proud of your journey.
As senior legal professional, what are your primary responsibilities, and how do you manage the legal challenges you face in daily dealings?
My main roles encompass strategic planning, risk management, contract negotiations, dispute resolution, and problem-solving. In addition, I oversee team management, providing guidance and collaborating with them to achieve organizational success.
A significant challenge I encounter is aligning with diverse internal and external stakeholders whose perspectives may differ from ours. Through extensive discussions and deliberations, we work together to navigate these differences and reach common ground effectively.
How did you manage to switch industries from the consumer sector to real estate sector and how has it been different?
After dedicating nearly 8 years to the consumer goods industry, I made a deliberate decision to transition and explore a new industry. My goal was to gain insights into its operations and intricacies. I believe that cultivating diverse knowledge and experience is invaluable, offering broader perspectives and opportunities for growth compared to staying within a single domain.
Certainly, while the sectors themselves may differ significantly, the core responsibilities of lawyers remain consistent across industries. Whether in consumer goods or any other sector, our primary duties include drafting sound contracts, successfully handling litigations, and establishing processes and policies to mitigate risks. Therefore, apart from the specific business activities of each organization, the functioning of legal teams tends to maintain a consistent approach and focus on these fundamental tasks.
Your journey in law is both impressive and inspiring. When did you decide to pursue a career in law, what or who inspired you to take this path, and what challenges did you encounter at the beginning of your career?
I am not sure if my journey can be described as either of these descriptors, but first of all, thank you for taking the time to do this. I was initially swayed towards law during a reading spree of John Grisham’s work. Around the same time, I also read ‘A Civil Action’ by Jonathan Harr and that is when I started considering law as a career option. However, when I attempted to search more about this field on the internet, I could not find any useful details and the information I did find was not too encouraging. I then dropped the idea of pursuing law.
Shortly afterwards, I came in contact with a friend’s brother-in-law who had just completed his law course at NLU, Jodhpur. That is when I was introduced to the world of NLUs and the various career options available to law graduates. Our batch eventually became the first to appear in CLAT since up till 2007 all NLUs had their separate entrance exams.
I think the major challenges I faced after graduation were related to career progression and making the right choices. However, thanks to various mentors, colleagues and friends and some self-reliance I was able to overcome these challenges – or at least I think so!
You’ve achieved a rare Reverse Domain Name Hijacking ruling under the INDRP. Could you elaborate on the details of this case and the strategic challenges you faced?
This was an interesting domain name dispute that came our way. Without making this response too academic or technical, the matter involved a generic term that was registered as a domain name by our client. The Complainant attempted to ‘recover’ this domain name under the. IN Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy [INDRP] claimed trademark rights in the said generic term. We had to conduct a lot of research into the Complainant’s background to establish that our client had registered the domain name before the Complainant started its business in India and that no single entity can have a monopoly on a generic term in typical situations. The matter was a challenging one because we did not have many past precedents under the INDRP to support our arguments and, moreover, a finding of ‘Reverse Domain Name Hijacking’ [RDNH], which we sought, was virtually never accepted under the INDRP. I am grateful that I had a great team and that the client had faith and belief in our strategy, which allowed us to go the full mile in this matter and successfully attempt the best possible outcome.
Having represented Fortune 500 companies, what are some of the emerging trends in data privacy and digital brand management that businesses should be aware of today?
I think that organisations at this point are far more susceptible to liabilities and legal claims due to the ever-increasing use of digital technology. Organisations need to be aware of all new laws and be compliant with them at all times. Moreover, since in many cases, there are no specific laws for emerging technologies such as Artificial Intelligence [AI], Internet of Things [IoTs], etc., it is crucial to self-regulate and follow industry best practices to safeguard the organisation from any unnecessary liability. Unfortunately, but typically, organisations should be wary of cyber fraud, brand abuse, brand impersonation, data breaches, vulnerability attacks, etc. which could very quickly compromise their reputation and operations.
Your expertise spans prosecution, management and protection of IP portfolios, and handling cyber-crimes. How do these areas intersect in your daily practice, and what complexities do they entail?
In my daily practice, managing and protecting IP portfolios, prosecution, and handling cyber crimes naturally intersect and support each other. When I safeguard my clients’ intellectual property, it often involves protecting these assets from cyber threats too. Moreover, data exfiltration/data breaches, data privacy leaks, IP infringement, etc. are closely interconnected and require constant application of both IT laws and IP laws.
The tricky part is dealing with the ever-changing nature of cyber threats and staying updated with new regulations and tech developments. I need to constantly monitor, adapt, and come up with proactive strategies to tackle risks, always striving to stay one step ahead of bad actors. Balancing IP protection with effective cybercrime response requires a well-rounded approach to ensure that our client’s interests are covered from all angles. I also constantly ensure that our clients comply with all applicable data privacy laws, intermediary guidelines/regulations and consumer protection laws to minimize their liability in this evolving technological landscape.
Could you share a bit about your transition from being at Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas & Co. to becoming a Partner at Scriboard? How has this transition influenced your approach to client service and leadership?
Coming back to Scriboard was an interesting transition as I have spent the majority of my time with Scriboard since I started my career. During my time at SAM, I was able to get a first-hand experience of how a large team of nearly 30 members work in close coordination to deliver top-notch legal advice and achieve results in record time. I also had the opportunity to closely work with my Partners and gain insight into how a leading firm in India operates at the highest level. I feel that this broadened my perspective and allowed me to bring a fresh, evolved approach back to Scriboard in my second stint.
You’ve authored several publications on topics like domain name disputes and cyber laws. How do these academic pursuits complement your legal practice, and how do they contribute to the industry’s knowledge base?
I believe that it forces me to stay updated on the latest trends, cases, and regulations, which I can directly use for the benefit of my clients. This also helps to start a discourse where hundreds of articles such as mine are open to everyone’s feedback and inputs and sometimes certain views of readers and other peers can lead to interesting discussions and offer new insights and ideas.
Outside of your legal career, you’ve been involved with People Canvas, focusing on education and environmental impact assessment, and you have also founded an online education initiative and a nonprofit organization. Could you please share something about this and also How have these experiences influenced your professional perspective, and how do you balance your legal career with these endeavors?
Yes, I was part of the founding team of People’s Canvas, a registered NGO that we formed during our law school days. A faculty member of our law school, Dr. Ritumbra Manuvie, and a very good friend of mine, Asst. Prof. Shashi Kant Yadav was the primary driving force behind this NGO which aimed to work in the field of environmental law activism. I also co-founded a vertical called People’s Canvas Online Education along with Asst. Prof. Yadav with a focus on imparting awareness about Environmental Impact Assessments [EIAs] to law students, graduates and others through a first-of-its-kind Online Certificate Course. At the time, it was one of the first completely online short-term courses primarily catering to the legal fraternity. Subsequently, I founded a legal education and research organisation called ‘Student at Law’ to foster awareness and knowledge amongst law students and the legal community through a comprehensive web resource.
I believe that these experiences have played a tremendous role in shaping my professional life. This fair share of an ‘entrepreneurial’ journey during my law school days and early career helped me gain valuable experience, obtain different perspectives, and, most importantly, teach me the importance of discipline and hard work.
As a ‘Rising Star’ in Intellectual Property, according to the Legal 500, what advice would you give to young lawyers aspiring to specialize in IT laws and intellectual property?
Regardless of the practice area you choose, the concept of KISS—’Keep It Simple Silly’—is effective in every situation. This principle can be applied in both personal and professional life. While I am still working on practicing what I preach, I believe that keeping things simple is one of the best skills to acquire and enhance.
In addition, when it comes to the profession, drafting, attention to detail, research, and spoken language are essential skills that everyone should possess, regardless of their practice area. Specifically for IT or IP law, it is crucial to stay updated on developments in both legal and technological advancements to maintain a firm grasp and understanding of the field.
In addition to your extensive legal career, could you share some of your hobbies or interests and how they help you maintain a balanced and fulfilling life?
A few years ago, I would have readily said reading, but I guess I cannot say that anymore because I am now not able to take the time to read more than 3 to 4 books in a year. I am generally fond of Science Fiction, so any books or movies related to it are certainly always on my watchlist or readlist. Apart from that, I have gradually opened up to the idea of travelling and staycations as it provides an opportunity for a few quiet ones. However, during day-to-day, we are parents to a cute little Indie dog and like to spend our time following his instructions.
