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  • Divyakant Lahoti, Advocate on Record, on quitting law firm and setting up independent practice

    Divyakant Lahoti, Advocate on Record, on quitting law firm and setting up independent practice

    Divyakant Lahoti graduated from University School of Law and Legal Studies (GGS Indraprastha University, Delhi) in the year 2008. At present he is a third generation lawyer, an Advocate on Record, a dedicated and driven lawyer with an LL.M. qualification in International Commercial Law earned at King’s College London and experience within a wide range of settings.

    In this interview he talks to us about:

    • His experience working with Justice R.C. Lahoti, Former Chief justice of India.
    • The procedure to apply in King’s College, London.
    • Why he specialized in International Commercial Law and IPR.
    • The biggest hurdles in his early days of independent practice.

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers?

    I am a third generation lawyer and an Advocate on Record. Since my childhood I was sure that there is no other enterprising and satisfying career option than law. From the early days of my childhood, my career aspiration was to become a true lawyer having a sound knowledge of socio-legal disciplines and related proficiencies so as to make a positive impact on society by taking up a responsible position in the legal practise. My father Justice K. K. Lahoti’s hard work yet smooth-sailing lifestyle as an advocate and then as a High Court Judge appealed to my childhood dreams. My perspective on life changed when I closely observed my father work as an advocate in his office attached to our house. I could closely observe an advocate’s profession and his life. What drew me to this profession was the respect one earns and the satisfaction one derives from advising his clients and securing them justice. Both as an advocate and later as a judge, in my father I saw live-in-action honesty, integrity and devotion to duty, giving me an opportunity to imbibe these rare qualities.

    My entrance into this profession began after pursuing 5-year LL.B. (Honors) from my alma mater University School of Law and Legal Studies (GGS Indraprastha University, Delhi) in the year 2008. My quench for specialised legal knowledge persuaded me to attain an LL.M. from King’s College London, one of the top universities in the World.

     

    How did you go about your application to King’s College London (KCL)? How different was the study environment in that university?

    In a fiercely competitive environment, the only thing which looks simple is the procedure to apply. You need only three things at that time – an IELTS (International English Language Testing System) Score of 7.5 and above out of 9, a Statement of Purpose (SOP) and Curriculum Vitae (CV) along with the Application Form. However, each of them requires days, if not months, of preparation and persistence –to revise, review and refresh.  IELTS is easy to crack for those who are fluent in English and had English as a medium of instruction in their school and/or college. A few days of preparation is good enough to score the benchmark. The problem lies in drafting, structuring, tailoring and reviewing the SOP and CV. The entire labour lies in presenting a SOP and CV that can stand out and catch the eye of the University who is screening thousands of such equally good and well written SOPs and CVs. However, the procedure keeps on evolving and students are advised to read the updated procedure and policy before applying to the law school.

    One can choose a particular area of expertise which is taught by leading practitioner(s) in that field. The advantage of being taught by such Professors/Practitioners, who are considered authorities in their fields of law, is to provide the student with root information along with innovative and problem solving methods with a focus on a comparative and international outlook.

    At King’s College, the LL.M program offers a wide range of modules that enables the student to grasp a thorough knowledge of the increasingly important areas of law and their concepts and application. King’s College London is a place which is inspired and instructions are imparted by leading experts and the student receives outstanding cultural, research and career opportunities in the very heart of London.

     

    Which one would you say is better – LL.M from abroad or from India?

    Well, that’s a matter of personal choice coupled with the budget of the student. One of the key reasons for me to pursue LL.M. abroad was its duration of one year. Now, many leading Colleges in India are offering LL.M. programmes of one year. Since this duration gap is bridged, the second question that comes to mind is the quality of education and the expenses for pursuing such a course from India or abroad. Undoubtedly, going abroad is more expensive because of the high College Fee, rent for accommodation and living expenses. The student needs to choose the university wisely depending on multiple factors like the area of specialisation, the professors imparting the specialised knowledge, the university ranking and job prospects after completing the course.

    I personally believe that any College, which has an intellectually rich faculty, a formative environment and rigorous campus discipline on one hand and is collaborative on the other, together with the student’s passion and commitment, is an ideal recipe for success and accomplishment. A graduate from a mediocre college may shine and reach the pinnacle of his profession while a student from a leading college may find it tough to earn even a comfortable living. It all depends on how the student capitalises on the given opportunities during the course and develops himself as a professional. Of course, learning in a good educational institution and from good faculty do have their impact.

     

    Please share your experience working with Justice R.C. Lahoti, Former Chief Justice of India.

    Learning from, and working with, a living legend is a dream come true. I had the golden opportunity to work with him, on various arbitration and opinion matters, after his retirement as the Chief Justice of India. I have not only learnt the art of advocacy but also lessons of life from him. Success in your profession gives name and power but the qualities of character give a good name and reputation. A gentleman professional is respected and remembered. Such success can be reached by different paths but not by changing paths along the way. According to him, reading spiritual, motivational, inspirational books and biographies/autobiographies is an essential source to augment the knowledge and improvise one’s own personality.

    As a student and then in the early years of my professional career, I had the opportunity of living with Justice Lahoti as a family member. I have closely watched his routine and working style. Working and reading are his passion. He reads a lot, both literature and law. He is an early riser. From the morning till late in the evening, he is busy studying, preparing for arbitration matters which are coming up, dictating orders and awards, and checking and reviewing the dictation well before circulating the same to fellow arbitrators and parties. He has earned recognition for his oration. His speeches and social lectures, cultural and educational event are also prepared by him in advance. The lessons which I have learnt from him are: (1) work is worship; (2) it is never too late to learn; and (3) if you have accepted an assignment, put your heart into it; never compromise on anything less than the best.

     

    What are the basics of a legal notice and how can one learn to draft one?

    A Legal Notice is the first step to set the civil justice system into motion. Drafting a legal notice is an art and needs the same skill as drafting a suit. It demands legal knowledge, expertise and experience. You need to understand the entire factual background, evidence in hand, the need of the client and the law(s) involved. Once this preparation is done, then the lawyer must proceed to draft the legal notice. A notice is a way which lays down the foundation for future attacks or defence. The tenor and tone of the notice should be proper – not too aggressive. A properly drafted Legal Notice or its reply can avoid litigation or the same could help the parties settle the matter through mediation at a pre-litigation stage or can assist the court in adjudicating the matter. On this subject, one of the must-have books for every lawyer is Mogha’s Law of Pleadings in India.

     

    How did you decide to specialize in International Commercial Law and IPR?

    In this growing economy, it is indispensable to keep abreast with latest developments in  financial and commercial law to deal with the changing market conditions. Needless to say, to practice law in the corporate and commercial markets today demands niche and specialist knowledge, robust common sense, analytical and problem solving skills with the ability to deliver pragmatic solutions to the clients. Moreover, LL.M. in International Commercial Law provides an impetus for developing the ability to understand, analyse, and solve complex and unprecedented problems. In a corporate and commercial environment, a close proximity with leading legal systems is sine qua non which can be gained by pursuing specialisation course(s). Specialization in IPR was out of sheer interest. I was awarded the Microsoft IPR Scholarship during my graduation for authoring an article on copyrights. Thereafter, I studied an Advance Course on Copyrights and Trademarks from the World Intellectual Property Rights Organisation (WIPO). Pursuant thereto, WIPO had offered me a full scholarship to pursue a 2-year course in Specialisation in IPR from the University of South Africa (UNISA) and WIPO which I completed in the year 2011.

    The knowledge gathered from these specialised courses is immensely helpful in advising clients, and drafting commercial contracts.

     

    Describe your experience at Luthra&Luthra Law Offices. What led you to shift from the corporate sector to Independent law practice?

    Luthra and Luthra had provided me with an action packed litigation experience, be it 2G or Defence Scam, from heavy stake commercial arbitrations to high profile telecom litigation. Under the able guidance of Mr.Rajeev Luthra, Mr.H.S. ‘Bobby’ Chandhoke, Mr. Siddhartha Datta and Mr. Manu Yadav, I sailed smoothly through the pressures of strenuous and complex litigation. Irrespective of such work pressure, the environment in the firm was always conducive, cordial and friendly. I have made many friends for life at this place and learnt many lessons of professionalism and client interaction. Indeed, it is a Tier 1 Law Firm which values the work and sincerity of its members and also feels concerned for their life and career.

    The Firm gives you the necessary skills and experience to commence an independent legal practise. However, what you would require is to hone your entrepreneurship capabilities. It was a well thought of decision to switch from a leading Law Firm to open up your own firm, though it is a life changing event as it comes with much heavier responsibilities which are all on your shoulders. One of the major advantages of going independent is that there are more opportunities to appear and argue the matters yourself before the Court/Tribunal and make yourself a brand. Such an opportunity is rare in leading law firms where there is a tendency to engage senior advocates even for simple issue(s).  Moreover, in an independent practise, you tend to handle more clients simultaneously unlike in a firm where you would be assigned limited matters/clients. Undoubtedly, there is more flexibility in an independent practise as compared to working in a firm. You are the master of your own time and have the choice of choosing the matters to involve yourself. However, in the initial years of practice, you tend to do whatever comes your way to sustain a living. Once you are established, then you have an option to do or refuse to do certain matters or develop a specialised area of practice.

     

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    What do you think are the biggest hurdles and challenges in the early days of independent practice?

    One of the biggest hurdles, in setting up your own independent practice, is to have an office, with the amenities and library, preferably near the Court Complex. The purpose of having an office close to the court would be to ensure that you reach the court on time and travel time is minimised so that you can use that time in more productive and meaningful work. The next step is to pitch yourself by informing your friends, acquaintances and your professional colleagues that you have started your own independent practice and your services are now available for private clients. Then, hiring a suitable clerk who has reasonable knowledge of court procedures and filings.

    Establishing your own brand, among the clients and court-rooms, is the foremost real task. An independent practice encompasses not only getting new clients but also retaining them and recover your outstanding fees from them. It is a challenge in itself. A lot of productive time is wasted in recovering the professional fee which is also important or else, your labour is wasted. Another hurdle is running around different courts and forums for the matters listed on the same day. To overcome this hurdle, the only possible solution is to engage competent junior lawyer(s) who are willing to prepare and argue the matter, if the need arises, before the court.

     

    What would be your message to our readers?

    There are ample opportunities for every lawyer and youngster who should strive for such opportunities and excel. The profession offers humongous prospects for those who are willing to sacrifice their comfort and leave their complacency to make their mark in this field. Due to the changing economy, the chances of young lawyers are enhanced as new chambers are being opened up or existing chambers are merging resulting in larger clientele, bigger premises and pooling of resources such as libraries. These chambers are looking for enterprising younger lawyers who can whole-heartedly devote their expertise and time for productive, qualitative and quantitative work.

    However, youngsters are advised to do their research on such chambers/firms, make enquiry into the status of the lawyers/partners of the chamber/firm and the kind and amount of work they are handling. Some of these chambers may not offer good prospects. For those who are looking forward to litigation practise, it is indispensable for them to join such chambers which have matters regularly before the courts/tribunals so that they can gain experience in court crafts and the art of advocacy from their seniors apart from learning necessary drafting knowledge, the art of cross-examination and the art of addressing judges.

    After choosing the right chamber/firm, the next step is to enhance the ability to communicate.  The objective is to make the Judge understand the case. Youngsters should practice speaking up clearly with modulation. Simultaneously, they should also be able to present the case to the Court/Forum lucidly and with brevity in a humble way, eschewing irrelevant facts and irrelevant arguments.  Undoubtedly, courtesy towards the Judge and court manners, including wearing clean and presentable robes, are of paramount significance.

  • Abhishek Sudhir, Dean, IFIM Law College, on qualifying in law from the UK and on legal academics

    Abhishek Sudhir, Dean, IFIM Law College, on qualifying in law from the UK and on legal academics

    Abhishek Sudhir graduated from The University of Birmingham in 2008 and went on to pursue an LL.M at the University College of London. While there, he pursued Civil Litigation, Jurisprudence, Intellectual Property Law, and Company Law as a part of his general LL.M. His British legal education ended with a BPTC for procedural training in 2011 to appear before a Court in the English system.

    Having returned to India, he pursued academia and teaching at Jindal Global Law School as among the student’s favorite professor. Following his departure from the same, he was recruited as the Dean for IFIM Law College in Bangalore. He has also published on a wide variety of topics and was called upon to deposed before the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Law and Justice on the Judicial Appointments Bill.

    In his interview, he talks about;

    • What drove him to pursue the profession
    • His experience with a legal education in the UK
    • The differences between the two systems and the teaching styles
    • His journey as a law student, and subsequently as a barrister
    • The necessary traits and qualities required by legal professionals and law students today

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers?

    Well, I’m 29 years old. I currently serve as Dean at IFIM Law College which is located in my hometown and India’s IT capital Bangalore. I hold three degrees in law, all from the United Kingdom. I am a Barrister from Gray’s Inn, London and I am also enrolled with the Karnataka State Bar Council as an Advocate. I am a freelance journalist and write most often for Scroll, an online news publication. I follow/support the Indian cricket team and Arsenal, two entities that have caused me a significant amount of pain and suffering over the years!

     

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    Tell us about your childhood and pre-college life. Was it your lifelong dream to be in the legal profession?

    I had a very unconventional childhood. I was raised by my maternal grandfather, who was and continues to be a source of immense support. I was obsessed with cricket and made it my life’s mission to play for India one day, quite an unrealistic dream that my grandfather supported by sending me to yearlong coaching camps for about 6-7 years. When I was about 14, I gave up on this ambition as I was nowhere close to making it and decided to “grow up”.

    Around this time I fell in love with “The Practice”, a popular American TV show that you could say was the “Suits” of my generation. The Practice, unlike Suits which has nothing to do with the law, delved into the intricacies of being a trial lawyer in the United States. The handling of the rules of evidence, the art of cross-examination and its depiction of criminal trials floored me. The cast was brilliant and they just looked so cool when they all walked the corridors of the courtroom in their fancy suits. It was the swagger associated with being a lawyer, at least in popular culture, which drew me to the profession.

     

    Your legal journey started in 2005 and that too from a foreign law school. Why did you choose a foreign law school over national law schools?

    The answer is very simple: I did not make it to any of the national law schools! Those days there was no CLAT, there were only five national law schools and you had to write individual entrance tests. I prepared for the exam with a friend of mine from school, but both of us were lackadaisical in our approach to the exams. The difference was that he was among the top 5 ranks in both the NLS Bangalore and NALSAR exams, while I was nowhere close to him.

    Not making it to one of the national law schools took its toll on me and I felt I had to prove that I belonged, that I was good enough, and not making it was just an aberration. I chose the University of Birmingham to do a 3-year LL.B for two principal reasons: first, they gave me a generous scholarship, and second, it was recognised by the Bar Council of India. So I started out in 2005 to redeem myself for the poor performance in the entrance tests, by leaving home at the age of 19 and starting afresh. It was a life-changing decision and it paid off handsomely.

     

    How is the curriculum of a foreign law school different from an Indian one?

    That’s a slightly tricky question to answer as there is no uniformity in curriculum design in Indian law schools. If I were to compare the approach to curriculum design at a State University with that adopted at an English law school, I would say there is quite a huge difference. For starters, English law schools do not teach any procedural subjects. They focus entirely on substantive law, as there are separate professional courses [Legal Practice Course (LPC) for those who want become solicitors and the Bar Professional Training Course (BPTC) for those who want to become barristers] that teach procedural law.

    Another stark difference is the emphasis on reading articles and papers written in academic journals as opposed to merely focusing on the sections in any given Act or chapters in a textbook. One further area of divergence is the minimal amount of time allocated to in-class teaching. In-class lectures are usually delivered to 100-150 students at a time. This is always followed up with tutorials where students, in groups of 10 to 15, are expected to engage with a hypothetical problem based on the in-class lecture. These tutorials are about an hour long and are usually conducted by PhD or post-doctoral students.

    There is no concept of rote learning at a foreign law school and the approach is very much centered on directed learning. The expectation is that the student will come prepared to class. That being said, no one (including the lecturers and tutors) cares if you do not do the required reading. The student is treated as a responsible adult and it is this ethos that is typified in the curriculum design.

     

    Tell us briefly about your law school experience.

    I attended three different law schools during my time in the U.K., but I would like to dwell on the three years I spent doing an LL.B at the University of Birmingham, which is one of England’s older centres of higher learning. The first year I was like a fish out of water as I was studying complex subjects like Jurisprudence and Land Law. In my first semester I was hauled up for plagiarism; I simply did not know what a citation was and I did not have the ability to construct an argument of my own. I remember getting 38 out of 100 in my very first research paper and failing European Union law by a couple of marks; those were trying times.

    In my first year I worked several part-time jobs, went out most nights and hardly ever went to class. I changed my lifestyle completely and this bore dividends as my results started to pick up in the second year. I went from getting an upper second (second class) to getting an upper first (first class) in all my subjects. This trend continued into my third year and I got a first (distinction) in every subject. I was awarded a distinction in the dissertation on Hindu Law that I wrote in my final year and this gave me immense satisfaction. I had come a long way from not knowing what plagiarism was.

    The credit for my transformation goes not to me or any professor, but to the structures in place at the University. England’s higher education system, central to which is the curriculum design, is geared to ensure that a diligent student succeeds and is given every possible opportunity to excel. It’s quite simple really: work hard or fall by the wayside.

     

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    Where did you pursue your LL.M from? What considerations should one keep in mind before deciding whether and where to do an LL.M?

    I had LL.M offers from the University of Warwick and University College London (UCL). At the time, Dr. Upendra Baxi was teaching at Warwick and this was a huge attraction. Nevertheless I chose UCL, primarily because it had a richer history and pedigree than Warwick, in addition to being located in the legal capital of the world, London. UCL also had a much bigger selection of subjects to choose from, with faculty from Oxford, King’s College and Cambridge teaching on the LL.M as visiting professors.

    The standard piece of advice people give LL.M aspirants is “make sure you are clear about which area you want to specialize in and chose the University that excels in your chosen area”. I disagree with this line of thought.

    If you have completed 5 years of legal study in India, then doing an LL.M from the U.K. or any foreign University is likely to be a completely new and alien experience. While I had three years in the U.K. before doing an LL.M, most students from India are thrown into the deep end within a few days of starting the LL.M. So it’s really important that you pick a University that has a track record of taking in Indian students and helping them acclimatize. Some Universities that come to mind are Warwick, King’s College, UCL, Cardiff, National University of Singapore, George Washington,  and NYU in the United States.

    Also, choose a General LL.M as it will give you the flexibility to study a wide array of subjects. Unless you’re from the top 5 NLU’s, it is unlikely that you have been exposed to Anglo-American teaching pedagogy and studying diverse subjects will give you much more exposure then studying four subjects dealing only with intellectual property or corporate law.

     

    After completing your education, you qualified as a Barrister-at-law. Tell us about the procedure and your experience.

    Becoming a Barrister was the fulfillment of a childhood fantasy. History was my favourite subject in school and I really enjoyed studying about the freedom movement. Some of the titans of India’s struggle for freedom, like Nehru, Gandhi, Jinnah and Sardar Patel were all Barristers. So I wanted to be one too! It seems quite silly now, but about a decade ago it was a real ambition of mine.

    In 2005, I decided to become a student-member of Gray’s Inn. Each aspiring Barrister must belong to an Inn, which is essentially his professional home and “dine” at the Inn 12 times. Historically, members of each Inn ate together, lived on the grounds of the Inn and, most importantly, worked together. I chose Gray’s as it is the smallest of the four Inns. Ambedkar, constitutional scholar K.T. Shah, former Chief Justice A.N. Ray and former Speaker of the Lok Sabha Somnath Chatterjee were all members of Gray’s Inn.

    In addition to becoming a member of the Inn, I enrolled in the Bar Professional Training Course (BPTC), which is a rigorous diploma programme that one has to complete before being “called” to the Bar. The BPTC was a once in a lifetime experience, as I was trained for countless hours in advocacy, negotiation, client counseling, examination-in-chief and cross-examination of witnesses. In July 2011, a ceremony was held at the Hall in Gray’s Inn, where I was “published” Barrister. My name appeared in The Times the next day. It was really special.

     

    What kinds of cases were mainly seen in the courts of England and what was your main area of practice there? What, if any, are the differences between England and India’s judicial system?

    My first job in England saw me working for a firm that dealt with civil litigation. Most of the cases concerned personal injury, the proverbial “slip and fall” cases. I then moved on to work for pro bono organisations that helped individuals who had court hearings but did not have legal representation. I got to take part in proceedings before the Queen’s Bench (High Court) and the Court of Appeal. Finally, I represented clients before the Social Security and Employment Tribunals as a trainee Barrister.

    Believe it or not, the common man in India has far greater access to legal representation than people in England. Litigation costs are unbelievably high and lawyers lack the human touch. Individuals who do not have the resources generally don’t get their day in court and are at the mercy of the legal aid authority. That being said, once you do get your day in court in England, you are more or less guaranteed a timely outcome. The overhaul of the Civil Procedure Rules in England has ensured this, whereas we in India, with our archaic and broken Code of Civil Procedure, 1908, continue to move at a snail’s pace.

     

    After around 6-7 years you came back to India to pursue you a career in legal academia. Was it pre-planned or was there some other reason?

    Coming back to India was pre-planned. I always wanted to practice in India. In January 2012, I passed a set of qualifying exams conducted by the Bar Council of India for people like me who were Indian nationals with foreign law degrees. In June 2012, I was enrolled as an Advocate, but due to some health issues my career had to take a backseat for almost 2 years. In January 2014, I joined the Jindal Global Law School (JGLS) as a research associate and was promoted to assistant professor in three months. It turned out to be the most rewarding experience of my career thus far, with great highs and some lows.

     

    You have deposed before the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Law and Justice on the Judicial Appointments Bill. Tell us about your experience.

    Being given an opportunity to depose before the Committee restored my faith in Indian democracy. I wrote a 20 page memo to the Committee, with suggestions on how they could improve the functioning of the proposed National Judicial Appointments Commission. I appeared before the Committee and had the opportunity to interact with the likes of Ram Vilas Paswan, who I must say is one of the most articulate politicians I have come across. The Chairman of the Committee sought me out after the proceedings and complimented me on my performance. It’s an experience that I look back on very fondly.

     

    You have various publications in academic journals and news organizations. What skills should one develop to write good research papers and articles?

    The only way you can become a better writer is by writing continuously. If you think it, write about it. And make sure you get published. Only when you publish can you gauge what the wider world thinks of your writing, as feedback is invaluable. I write an email with the same amount of thought and effort that I put into writing an article for Scroll or The Hindu. Everything you write should pay homage to the printed word, which is a thing of beauty. Even when I use Whatsapp, I craft my messages carefully!

     

    You have recently been appointed Dean at IFIM Law College. Tell us about your plans for the law school going forward.

    I am trying to implement everything I learnt in the U.K. at IFIM Law College with the support and guidance of the founder Mr. Sanjay Padode and the Principal Dr. Venugopal. Two things distinguish IFIM Law College are our emphasis on mooting from the first year itself and obtaining internships for each one of our students. We have developed a vibrant mooting culture, and each of our students has taken part in domestic and international moots. We have been able to obtain internships for almost all of our students four weeks before the start of the internship cycle.

    All in all IFIM Law College will be a student-centric law school. If they don’t grow, we don’t grow. So we will do everything in our power to ensure that our students develop into holistic, employable and socially responsible legal professionals. Being given the opportunity to setup a law school from scratch is a rare privilege in itself, but being given such a chance at the age of 29 is a rarity. I want to repay the faith the management has shown in me by making IFIM a prime destination for legal education.

     

    You have handled both litigation and teaching. Which one is more challenging and interesting?

    Litigation, in India at least, is a game of chess, with its adjournments and stalling tactics. Teaching is outcome-oriented and your performance is measured by how your students perform academically. While in litigation you are often dealing with one or two judges at the most; as a teacher you are dealing with hundreds of students, with varied backgrounds and learning needs. As a teacher, you need to satisfy a lay audience of people in their teens to their early twenties, each with their own idiosyncrasies and moods. Throw in the thankless job of being the Principal, Dean or Director along with teaching responsibilities and litigation starts looking a little easier.

     

    What advice would you like to give to our readers?

    No advice. I would like to share my favourite quote with them: “You must go on, I can’t go on, I’ll go on.”- Samuel Beckett.

  • Mayank Aggarwal, litigation lawyer, NLSIU, Bangalore on litigation after law school

    Mayank Aggarwal, litigation lawyer, NLSIU, Bangalore on litigation after law school

    Mayank is a graduate of the ’14 batch of the NLSIU. Following his multiple achievements on and off the field, he received the Alyosha Kumar Gold medal for excellence in sports and extra-curricular activities at his convocation ceremony. He went on to work with Adv. Yudhishtir Kahol as an associate/junior advocate and subsequently with RHA Legal as an associate.

    Mayank’s interest in criminal litigation within the country, aided by his experience with pro bono work, gives him an added insight into the career path of any aspiring litigant. His multi layered exposure to evidentiary burdens, witness examinations, and all the other aspects of a complete trial from the grass root level.

    In this interview Mayank talks to us about;

    • His experience at NLSIU, both inside and outside the classroom
    • Taking up litigation right after law school
    • The importance of internships
    • Work experience at RHA Legal

     

    How would you introduce yourself to our readers? Tell us about life after NLSIU.

    I am a legal practitioner and consultant based out of Delhi, working across forums with special interest in criminal litigation, both legal and non-legal aspects of criminology and pro bono work for people who can’t afford legal representation. I graduated from National Law School of India University, Bangalore and have been litigating ever since. Presently, I am working as an associate in the Litigation & Dispute Resolution vertical of RHA Legal, an emerging law firm at Delhi.

     

    What motivated your decision to study law. Were there alternate career options you had considered?

    The decision to study law was more a result of a process of elimination than a matter of choice. After studying science for two years in 10+2, I was fairly certain that I did not want to write the IIT-JEE exam, unlike everyone else in my class at School. My father is a practicing lawyer and I had a fair idea about what a lawyer does on a day-to-day basis. Unlike a major chink of the population (fed on a copious diet of dramatic and caricaturised versions of lawyers on-screen), who have seen lawyers as those sneaky people, who, with their underhand tactics, save the guilty and should not be messed with. I was lucky to have greater perspective in this regard.  I believe, more than anything else, this privileged knowledge and insight into a lawyer’s life might be one of the key reasons behind so many second and third generation lawyers entering this amazingly empowering and engaging profession.

     

    Tell us about your time at NLSIU. Any fond memories or anecdotes you would like to share with us?

    At the risk of belabouring the obvious, I would say I had the time of my life at college. Not only because NLSIU is a very good academic institution but for the people and the work culture the place had and helped all of us imbibe. I was a very shy person before college; the place played an important role in shaping my personality, ideals, and value systems. I particularly relish the wonderful camaraderie, especially at display in hostels; all of us bound together through the chaos of project submissions and last minute exam readings, trying to beat some impossible deadlines and collaborative efforts on research projects for class.

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    While at university, you took a keen interest in sports. How did you manage to balance the academic rigours of the trimester system at NLSIU?

    (Mayank captained the university cricket team, tennis team, squash team, badminton team and helped organize “Spiritus” which is the largest law school sports fest in India)

    Due to my pre-college involvement and background in sports, my interest in organisation as well as participation in various sports came naturally. Moreover, NLS has a thriving sporting culture, and being surrounded by people who are juggling both ECAs (not limited to sports) and academics  is inspiring in itself. Further, the insane effort put in all around the year by the Sports Committee, including the painstaking process of scheduling events around academic commitments of multiple batches, is no simple feat and actually helps ensure enthusiastic participation all year around without really jeopardising academics. I believe they are doing an incredible job in keeping the sporting tradition at NLSIU alive and I feel proud to have been part of it during my brief stay.

     

    What would you advise a student who wishes to excel at sports too in law school, considering time management or risk of injuries are valid issues most students face at law school?

    I believe that playing any kind of sport helps in acquiring the mental toughness to deal with the unpleasant situations you often face in your professional life, apart from keeping you physically fit, which I would say is critical especially in such a sedentary profession. More than anything else, I think sports reveal character and that’s why some friendships forged on the field during those crunch situations and the respect earned on the ground stay with you for times to come.  As regards the second part, injuries are part of any sportsman’s life and with a variety of sports to choose from, an individual may choose the ones s/he feels comfortable to engage in.

    Tell us about the internships you pursued while at university. How did you choose where to intern? What led you to start practising soon after graduation, considering a lot of your peers would have joined firms?

    I was quite clear from the beginning that I was going to pursue litigation as a career. My internship choices were driven by this. I interned with various lawyers across courts and forums, including a lot of trial court experience. I tried to keep a wide base in the beginning which I later narrowed down to fields of specialisation. I just prefer litigation over corporate firm practice as I feel more comfortable in this role, which might be due to the different skill sets involved in the two.

     

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    How does one decide which Court to start practising in after graduating if one wishes to litigate. How necessary is it to have a mentor/guide at the start of your practise?

    Frankly, I don’t think there is any right way of going about it. From the interaction I have had with my peers and seniors and my personal experience, I think a lawyer should just make the most of whatever he has to work with. I personally chose to start practising from the district courts right after graduation, which I continue to do till date, as I wanted to develop an understanding of legal procedures from the ground up. Moreover, given that I wanted to specialise in criminal law I didn’t really have a choice as the exposure to evidence and the various stages and facets of criminal trial can’t be obtained at appellate stage directly. I don’t know how important a mentor is but having someone who believes in you can be very helpful, especially when you come straight out of college. This assumes greater importance in a country like ours where practice and procedure can sometimes be so diverse that you tend to question if you were studying the right courses. I think feeling inadequate and lost in the initial phase is a very common phenomenon, so either find someone who helps you go through it or grow thicker skin!

     

    You have worked extensively on criminal matters while interning and after graduation. What are the various opportunities here and what made you gravitate towards criminal practise?

    After working on a variety of matters during my internships I personally found myself more inclined to work on criminal matters due to some personality traits, including, possibly, a flexible moral fibre. Other contributing factors in this decision were the enabling power of a criminal lawyer, the gravitas and immediate impact a good criminal lawyer has on lives. The cases you deal with are sometimes actually a matter of life and death- how many professions can you say that about?  I also think my internships with Mr. Vikas Pahwa, Sr. Advocate and watching him in action in court had a lasting impact. Furthermore, my work at the chamber of Adv. Yudhishtar Kahol was particularly enriching and fulfilling; observing Kahol sir cross-examine witnesses and interpret evidence was a sublime experience and  cemented my love for criminal litigation. The fact that both these counsels had dealt primarily anti-corruption matters, which generally involve generous volume of paperwork and an equally large number of witnesses to be examined, gave me amazing exposure to the evidentiary aspect of trial in a very short time for which I am indebted to both these offices.

     

    Soon after graduating, you worked as a junior advocate for a year and then decided to join RHA Legal, who are relatively new. Tell us about RHA Legal, the kind of work they generally deal with and what made you join them.

    RHA Legal is a start-up law firm which focusses on Intellectual Property Rights, Corporate advisory, and Litigation & Dispute Resolution practice. I am primarily attached to the Dispute Resolution vertical branch of the firm headed by partner Ajit Sharma, who does a lot of criminal litigation including white collar crimes apart from a diverse civil practice across various forums viz. Supreme Court, High Courts, NGT and Central Administrative Tribunal.  Rajiv Kr. Choudhry heads the IPR team, which inter alai does some highly technical advisory work on patent law and copyright.

    RHA Legal being a small firm, I have had the opportunity to work with both these teams and my experience here has been extremely fulfilling and enriching. The focus is on the creation of an extremely supportive and enabling work culture that has been built by the partners for everyone who works with them including the associates and the interns.  As compared to a larger setup, I believe a smaller firm gives you ample opportunity to be involved in the problem solving process from the very beginning, and that too at multiple levels including client handling, issue spotting and strategizing. Thus, giving you better perspective, far greater responsibilities and a more hands-on experience, which can prove to be vital for any litigating lawyer.

     

    What have you been tasked with in your tenure here? What is an average work day like in your life?

    From the very first day of my joining the Firm, I have enjoyed a very broad base role which included sitting through client meetings, researching on legal issues, flagging legal propositions in the case at hand, lot of drafting opportunities and some face time in the Court as well. The level of faith reposed in me, especially with regard to quality of work entrusted to me, is tremendous and I consider myself fortunate to work in such an enabling setting with some very talented and supportive seniors and colleagues. The work hours are manageable and vary according to the volume of work.

     

    Tell us about the Trial Courts at Delhi and your experience in working there. Why do you think it is an interesting avenue for graduates to pursue? Tell us about your experience with pro bono work.

    Although Trial Court work is very exciting and in fact crucial for a criminal litigator, the biggest obstacle I faced is the massive chasm between the practice and what is taught at Law School.  The one unique opportunity which a litigating lawyer has over all others, is the ability to make a difference at a very early stage. I have had the good fortune of working on some pro bono cases with Vertical Legal, a dispute resolution firm working out of Delhi. The firm has a steady real estate advisory practice, but has a dedicated team taking up pro-bono matters including a Sunday-only Legal Clinic imparting free of cost legal advice to all and sundry. I trust that apart from being a learning opportunity, it is a humbling and a supremely fulfilling experience. I have been involved in this work since my fourth year of law school and I must say I am very proud of what we have been able to accomplish since then. Some of the work we did was also reported recently in the media, including a piece in the reputed Caravan Magazine on a case relating to ill-treatment of migrant labourers in Punjab. This case also made me realise the extremely effective role that the media, and good journalism in general, can play by taking up socially relevant stories and contributing to the solution, which does not always lie in the legal sphere.

     

    What are your goals for the immediate future?

    I don’t have any elaborate goals for the near future. I would love to continue in my current setup and learn as much as I can in the process. Litigation, they say, requires patience and perseverance; I currently feel that I am stocking up on both.

     

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    What would be your parting message to our readers, especially those who wish to litigate?

    They say, “Litigation is not a profession, it is a way of life” and with each passing day I am appreciating the aptness of this statement. Although I feel I am not old or wise enough to give advice, I will pass on something which a very wise man once told me- “Litigation involves industry, and lots of it. Don’t do it for the money, there are exponentially easier ways of making money 🙂”.

  • Manisha Chaudhary, Managing Partner, UKCA & Partners, on leading a law firm and Masters from Cornell

    Manisha Chaudhary, Managing Partner, UKCA & Partners, on leading a law firm and Masters from Cornell

    Manisha Chaudhary graduated in law from Amity Law School, Noida. She went on to pursue her LL.M. from Cornell Law School, focusing on corporate laws. She is now the Managing Partner at UKCA and Partners (formerly UKCA Law Chambers).

    In this interview, Manisha discusses:

    • Her childhood experiences that pushed her towards choosing law as a career.
    • Her considerations while choosing the best university to do an LL.M.
    • The methodology she uses to research and write articles
    • Her views on the legal education system in India

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers?

    I am presently the Managing Partner at UKCA and Partners (formerly UKCA Law Chambers), a law firm founded in the year 1986 by my father, Mr. U. K. Chaudhary, an eminent Senior Advocate. He had to disassociate from the firm when he was designated as a senior and the firm passed on to his juniors.

     

    Tell us about your childhood and pre-college life. Was it always your dream to be in legal profession?

    The first question I usually get asked when I meet someone is “So, when did you decide to be a lawyer?” And honestly, my answer usually is “Ummm, I was born to be one!”

    My parents had always encouraged my brother and I to follow our dreams (even if we fell flat on our faces, they were always there to support us). My parents thought that I would take up medicine as a profession, and as a matter of chance I was great at all the science subjects. However, during school, I took keen interest in debating, dramatics, creative writing, the book club, and such related co-curricular activities, which I assumed would help me expand my intellectual abilities. I am sure if Philosophy was a subject in high school, I would have been the first to enrol.  For me, it has always been about gathering information and being fully informed on various subjects, even if it may be of no concern in my life or to me. My closest friends call me Ms. FYI – For your Information! As a child, I would have my parents sign illegible handwritten contracts to make sure I get paid in cash or kind for the chores I had done (which were often repudiated by my mother!). I would sit in my father’s office for hours reading law books at random, which at the time made no coherent sense to me; sibling disputes were handled in the High Court of Mother and I would put across detailed arguments on how I had been wronged and have my brother pay compensation. So far as I remember, I would bolt to our front gate to get the High Court ‘Cause List’ to find my father’s name, read his files and point out the grammatical mistakes (concepts of legal English were lost on me) and organise the office files and Bare Acts. I would strut into his office and take dictation from his juniors and then type it out for them, which they sportingly let me do.

    I truly believe that the inclinations towards the right subjects, an inquisitive attitude towards life, and the constant need to learn and try new things, are inherent qualities of every lawyer and the very fact that I declared myself to be a future ‘financial’ lawyer to all my near and dear ones in the 8th grade did it in for me.

     

    What led you to choose legal profession?

    Whenever someone sought advice from my parents whether one should pursue a career in law, they would categorically say the following:

    1. The profession requires hard work, dedication and perseverance.
    2. You will have to constantly read, study, and keep yourself up-to-date for the rest of your life.
    3. You may have to give work priority over family and friends, and finding a balance will be a challenge every day.
    4. You will always be busy and rushing everywhere.
    5. There is no retirement.

    After hearing this, I was instantly hooked.

     

    Tell us about your experience in Amity law School. What all curricular and extra-curricular activities did you participate in?

    Amity Law School, Noida was in its infancy when I joined. There were not many rules and regulations which barred us from enjoying the ‘Delhi University’ style college life. However, within a year or so, everything settled down and Amity became like any other law school, with the added advantage of foreign educated faculty and international level infrastructure. Amity was and is notorious for being elitist and grandiose but lacking in terms of quality education. However, I beg to differ. Amity is much more than scoring marks, preparing for moots and planning to be an associate in a big law firm. It is a wholesome college experience. Since it is one huge campus for all departments, there are many inter-departmental competitions, festivals, sports meets etc. that gives a young student the opportunity to not only learn their subjects but also learn from other streams. While at Amity, I actively participated in intra-class debates, inter-college competitions, essay competitions, a few national level moots, went on court visits, helped organise events etc. I even participated in cricket and volleyball matches! Since every class at Amity was more or less a group discussion, staying on top of the subject was important. Amity truly teaches you how to survive in a cutthroat world and to bring your ‘A game’ at all times.

     

    You hold a masters degree in law from the prestigious Ivy League school Cornell University. How well did your experiences there prepare you for your current responsibilities?

    I aspired to apply only to Ivy League institutions and hence all my efforts in law school and at work were to make sure to have the minimum requirements of marks, moot competitions, publications, work experience, court appearances and professional growth. I worked fulltime for two years because I wanted to have at least a basic knowledge of corporate laws before specialising in the subjects that I accordingly elected. I know that many people prefer to apply for their masters right out of law school, and do exceedingly well. However, I differ on this approach. I believe it is important to gain some work experience prior to applying as it helps you determine what field of law you would like to specialise in. Most of my classmates had previously worked as lawyers or paralegals and it gave me the opportunity to learn from them.

    Cornell is known to be a relatively easy Ivy to get admission into but the most difficult to graduate from. The courses are multi-dimensional and challenging. All the subjects I pursed at Cornell were specialised topics, and were taught by professionals from New York City and seasoned professors. To truly learn, it is important to not just sit in class and take notes, but to actively engage with the professors and lecturers and to pick their brains.  I sincerely think that I would not have been able to truly extract the essence of the courses, if I had no previous work experience in the same field.

    Having experience gave me the ability to compare what I know to what I was learning and hence I could discuss with other students and professors how to grow professionally and overcome the challenges faced at work. The exchange was mutual ofcourse, because I was able to help my classmates understand the Indian legal system and clarify many of their doubts as well. While at Cornell, I gave a lecture on the Indian Constitution and had students and professors attend the same. It was a feeling of humble pride and an ecstatic high. Cornell does not grade its LL.M. students but rather offers “comments” such as Unsatisfactory (meaning that you have to take the course again), Satisfactory, Honours and High Honours. They believe that since master’s students are scholars they cannot be judged, as there is no “right” or “wrong” interpretation of law. This experience of formulating an opinion on a subject of law and having the same appreciated, even if no one agrees with it, genuinely gives one a tremendous sense of achievement.

     

    How should one assess their LL.M. program? What are the key factors to be kept in mind while applying for LL.M. in different universities?

    First, an LL.M. program or college should not be solely evaluated on the rankings given by various news agencies. The statistics are based on a variety of factors, which can be highly manipulated and hence are not the best tool for assessment. Second, it is important to speak to Alumni, who can guide you and offer you the best advice regarding the school and the course. Third, do a comparison of colleges on factors which are important to you. For example, Yale is an excellent law school but I did not think it was a good fit for me because it is more academically inclined and I wished for a college which is more inclined towards the industry. Fourth, consider your long-term goals. Before choosing your college of choice, you need to establish the reasons why you wish to pursue an LL.M., how it will help you achieve your career goals, what are its post qualification prospects, etc. Fifth, thoroughly research the faculty, the class size, internal policies regarding LL.M. students, how courses are allotted etc. Cornell and Yale have an average of 80 persons per LL.M. batch whereas NYU has an average of 400, hence the classes you wish to take may not be available to you. You can best assess an LL.M. course by reading up on it and speaking to the Alumni, who are more than willing to help. Do not be afraid to ask questions, even if they seem condescending, after all, you are spending a huge amount of resources on an LL.M. degree. To apply for an LL.M. course keep the following “Cs” in mind:

    1. Cost– it is very important because an LL.M. does not guarantee you a dream job, and hence it is important to have your funding in place. In case you plan to take loans, then a plan to clear your debts is important.
    2. Course– do a thorough analysis of the subjects offered and whether they are in sync with what you would want to specialise in and the future prospects of the same.
    3. Country– United States of America and the United Kingdom are not the only two countries, which are popular for LL.M. courses. Many students choose to go to Continental Europe or the Middle East to truly expand their horizons in their chosen field of law.

    Once you have these three figured out, the rest is easy. It will all fall in place once you get there and you will make lifelong memories.

     

    Presently you are Managing Partner at UKCA. What falls within the scope of your responsibility?

    Being a Managing Partner of a firm that is constantly growing is full of challenges. We have a very simple internal structure and I am thankful to each of my employees, associates, and partners for helping me execute my vision for the firm. My foremost responsibility is to consolidate the interests of everyone in the firm and make a comprehensive plan for implementation. Being a Managing Partner also puts me in the shoes of a business owner and hence I make monthly goals for my formidable team to work on. Meeting new clients and promoting the firm is my second responsibility and one that I am constantly learning and improving on. My third responsibility is to oversee finances, appraisals and compliances of the firm. I am also involved in administrative aspects of the firm and look into procurements, subscriptions, memberships, disputes etc. However, my most vital responsibility is to each of my clients and hence every document which goes out of my firm is vetted and finalised by me. Though I can blindly trust my principal associates and partners to settle every document, I believe it also my duty to be personally involved in every matter and be available to clients with full attention to details of their transactions and litigations. I attend most court hearings and am always present on deal closings to assist my clients and my associates and partners.

     

    While hiring new lawyers what kind of skills you look for in their CV.

    The portion of any CV that I disregard is what law school the student is from. It is in my experience the worst measure of how good a lawyer is. The skills I am most interested in are work experience and drafting-research. No law firm is looking to hire first year associates for arguments in courts or lead negotiations and close deals. When hiring fresh law graduates, I want to see their results in moot court competition, creative writing skills and their personalities, whether they will be good fit for the firm and whether they have what it takes to survive long hours and hard work. The next portion to get my attention is usually grades as that can be a decent marker of your basic knowledge and learning skills. I then focus on languages and diversity the person may bring to the firm. If you pass these three criteria, you will be invited for an interview. A job at my law firm depends on the interview with the partners and other assignments which we will ask you to undertake.

     

    You hold certificate in Corporate Law and Governance from the renowned London School of Economics and Political Science, United Kingdom. How far are these certificate courses helpful? Tell us about the experience.

    Certificate courses, if used as a tool for continuing education, can be of great significance in the field of law one specialises in. Certified courses abroad can be in the form of summer school or standalone courses depending on what time of the year you apply. It is a great learning experience apart from being a mini vacation where you make new friends from various countries and different walks of life. In my LSE class, we had finance graduates, lawyers, CEOs, directors of companies, accountants, economists etc. The class was engaging and helped us get a sneak peak of problems faced by professionals in many countries and how we could learn from each other’s experiences. Certificate courses as a supplement to further your knowledge are a great tool and I would suggest a refresher ever so often, whether in India or abroad.

     

    You are an avid writer and have published various articles. How would you advise students to go about their careers with respect to research and writing, publishing grade academic papers?

    I consider publications to be an integral part of a student’s education and a lawyer’s career. Be it writing books, articles, presentations, or even comments on various blogs; it helps hone their research and writing skills. Every student or young lawyer should follow a systematic approach in their own way to writing articles, which will help to get the articles published. Also try to collaborate with seniors or other co-authors to write books, columns, blogs etc. The more publications you have, the greater the impression that you have what it takes to be a scholar or an expert. All colleges prefer students who have published work as it helps them gauge a person’s intellect to a certain level.

    I have written many articles (published and otherwise), prepared presentations for clients, prepared lectures to deliver at seminars for both myself and my father, and I have a very specific, stepwise approach to them all. I have to confess that I am truly a Google junkie. My first step is to ‘Google’ all the information on a subject and read as much as I can, both positive and negative comments, articles etc. to thoroughly understand a topic. The next step in my research is usually news articles available on the internet, and then I move on to articles and presentations by other professionals. All this helps me in getting a general idea of the topic. From here starts the actual process of research. I then peruse the Bare Acts on the subject to interpret the legislative intent and form my own views and opinion on the sections. Next I read the amendments, rules, circulars, and notifications etc. to make sure that nothing important has been overlooked. I also look up any proposed amendments, which may further help me understand the true intent of the law. I then go on to debate every point with my father. I am lucky to have an expert on corporate laws right at home and since it’s my chosen field of practice, I fully exploit every opportunity, though sometimes I am shown the door! Once I have decided on what my hypothesis on a certain subject is, I go on to read scholarly articles, both Indian and international, to understand how I may or may not differ from others. I also research case laws, which may be applicable or made applicable on my hypothesis of a certain subject. My research is usually complete at this stage and now begins the difficult part to put together all the research into a written form. Once I have written an article, I go through it repeatedly to make sure that there is a gradual flow of information and that is no diversion from the main issue at hand. Before submission, I do a plagiarism check, which points out any flaws my article may have. A few points to be kept it mind before submission are– always source you articles, try to be as original as possible, use precedents and do a proper edit for spellings and grammar.

     

    You have been regular guest lecturer at various law schools. How is the curriculum of a foreign law school different from an Indian one? What changes, if any, would you like to see in Indian legal curriculum?

    It saddens me to say that the Indian curriculum for law schools is very dated and impractical for today’s legal profession. The curriculum has been the same for the last few decades with minor changes and focuses mostly on the theoretical aspects of law, majority of which is not relevant for practice. Though some changes have been introduced such as moot courts, projects, and internships, there is still a vast scope for improvement. The quality of the profession is greatly affected due to lack of quality education. I believe we need a complete overhaul of the subjects being taught at law schools. I also believe that teachers, lecturers and professors have to conduct more clinics to teach students the art of presenting arguments, negotiations, trial advocacy, deal closing, preparing transactional documents etc. This will prepare the students for the profession and greatly improve the quality of lawyers.

    The curriculum at foreign law schools is also theoretical but is limited to only a few subjects. What I admire most about foreign law schools is the focus they have on how to make a student an asset for the profession. They make sure that a student who has graduated knows the profession and only has to start polishing themselves to become an expert. In India the approach is to push you into the profession and have you learn on the job, which is not beneficial for every student. I know so many young lawyers who give up litigation or transactional practice because they cannot deliver the quality of work their seniors expect of them. There is tremendous scope for students to elect subjects, which specialise in a certain area of law, such as laws for technology start-ups, laws for ethical hacking, laws for crowd funding, documentation for leveraged buyouts, preparing IPO documentation, investment banking etc. Such subjects need to be taught to give Indian students a level playing field with their counterparts abroad. We should also encourage inter-disciplinary courses where law students along with management students, bankers, engineering students or business students come together to solve complex transactional issues and learn to work on deals which will require understanding and cooperation between different professions. The Indian legal education system needs a more robust, dynamic and diverse curriculum to be of any use to new age lawyers or else we will be left far behind our global counterparts.

     

    You have also been providing pro bono services to social enterprises and start-ups. What is the source of motivation?

    I have been inclined to work towards certain causes relating to the environment, women and children, which have been close to my heart since high school. I provide free legal aid to social enterprises and start-ups that are working in the same field. If I am not able to help, I connect them with my friends who may be able to do so. I sincerely believe that our country has every resource to become a great nation. However, we lack the collective will to do anything about it. The motivation is to make a difference to the society in order to make it better for us all. Social enterprises and many start-ups, including NGOs are working day in and day out to help those who are less fortunate and I wish to be of some help, to the best of my abilities, in their struggle. If I can help them save legal costs, which could sponsor another tube well, or educate a young child, then why not!

     

    What would be your advice to our budding lawyers?

    I have some very simple advice:

    1. Research like your life depends on it. Do not open your mouth unless you have research to back up you arguments or legal opinion. Try to be informed and updated on a daily basis.
    2. Draft, re-draft and then re-draft again, thinking about each possible consequence of every sentence that you have written. Think not only from your client’s perspective but also from that of the opposition. Be honest and fair to the courts. Do not suppress any document or information.
    3. Be organised at all times. Deadlines have been given for a reason and priorities have to be set.
    4. Do not be disrespectful to juniors, seniors, judges, staff, etc. Maintain decorum in court and in office. Do not get personal, and lay yourself open to perennial criticism.
    5. Be ethical. No client or their money, position, or fame is more important than your allegiance to the profession.
    6. Be loyal to your employer and your clients who took a risk with you and give them your best at all times. However, you deserve to be treated with respect and do not let anyone make you believe otherwise.
    7. Try to learn from your seniors without disturbing them. Keep your ears and eyes open and you will pick up on many tricks of the trade.
    8. Do not try to be Ms. or Mr. Know-It-All. Even seniors with 40 years of experience do not know it all! Do what you are good at and strive to be better with each day.
    9. Bunker down, and do not be afraid to work late nights and long hours. You will reap benefits of your hard work.
    10. Enjoy being a lawyer, and take it as your life’s passion not as a bread earner, It is an admired profession but if you do not love it, leave now else you will always be miserable.
  • Jyoti Singh, Partner, Phoenix Legal, on experience in Banking and Finance Law

    Jyoti Singh, Partner, Phoenix Legal, on experience in Banking and Finance Law

    Jyoti Singh studied law at Maharshi Dayanand University and graduated in 2000. She worked for a while at Dhir & Dhir Associates as a Principal Associate and is now a Partner at Phoenix Legal.

    In this interview Jyoti talks to us about:

    • The reasons behind her career choices
    • Her experiences and learning curve while working with Mr. Jugal Wadhwa and Dhir & Dhir Associates.
    • Her views on the current legal education system

     

    How would you introduce yourself, given that most of our readers are law aspirants, lawyers-in-the-making & young lawyers?

    I am a lawyer who hails from Sonipat, a small city in Haryana, and currently a partner at a well-reputed firm thanks to my self-confidence, hard work, sincerity, and dedication.

     

    Which incidents, influences or interests prompted you to think of law as a career? If not law, what other options would you have considered for a career?

    My father currently practices in Sonipat and I have always seen him working very hard. He still wakes up at 4:00 a.m. and reads his briefs. His lifestyle used to fascinate me. But frankly, I had science as my subject in my 12th Standard. While I was taking up exams for pursuing a career in medicine, but after a detailed discussion with him about my future plans and career choices he ended by telling me that, “You argue so much, I feel you will make a good lawyer”. I laughed it off. But today I surely am a lawyer, though still trying to be a “good one”.

     

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    How would you describe your academic career while at M.D.U, Rohtak? What made you want to pursue an LL.M after your graduation from the same?

    I was one of those students in M.D.U., who probably never bunked a class but still had my own share of fun at hostel. I used to take part in debates and essay writings etc. I pursued a LL.M because I like studying, and frankly while choosing “Winding up by Courts” as a topic of my dissertation I never imagined that one day I would be ranked as a leading lawyer in Dispute Resolution and Insolvency (Ranked by Chambers and Partners 2015 and 2016).

     

    Did you indulge in any co-curricular activities such as debating or mooting while there?

    I participated in debates and moot parliament etc.

     

    What made you target a litigant’s practice straight out of law school?

    My father was and is my inspiration, he is a litigator so it came to me naturally.

     

    What would you say are the greatest learnings from your time spent with Mr. Jugal Wadhwa?

    In terms of law and procedure, it was an enriched legal experience where his knowledge of the same helped systematically build my foundations of law. While practising in the district courts and the High Court of Delhi, it exposed me to both the procedure and the original side of litigation itself.

     

    How did first-hand exposure to the legal system in all its glory affect or influence you?

    The deeper I went into the profession, the more I was convinced that this is what I want to do all my life.

     

    What prompted the shift to Dhir & Dhir Associates? How did your experience there differ from your earlier experiences?

    With Mr. Jugal Wadhwa, I gained a lot of experience in civil and criminal litigation after which I wanted to shift to a law firm. At Dhir & Dhir, I worked with a team specialising in proceedings at AAIFR and High Courts, and slowly started looking after work at various High Courts. The travel intensive nature of my work there increased my exposure to the same.

     

    Why the special interest in Banking and Finance Litigation with a special focus on proceedings under SICA and Insolvency proceedings?

    Dhir and Dhir has been a leading Firm in that area of law, hence it was only natural to have focused on SICA and insolvency proceedings.

     

    Again, when and why did you decide to join Phoenix Legal in 2010?

    Phoenix started in 2008 with a set of very dynamic professionals. I wanted to join a firm where I could grow with the Firm. I joined Phoenix, Mumbai office, in October 2010 as a Counsel and was made partner in April 2011.

     

    How did your previous experiences help you or influence you through the same?

    It helped be set up and grow through a litigation practice.

     

    Your current profile seems fairly commercial and finance-centric under a larger purview of corporate law, how did you come to chose the same as your area of interest?

    I would say that I started as a general litigator and I still do a fair bit of civil, contractual pre-litigation strategy and litigation/ arbitration. But, corporate, banking, and finance have been my core strength due to my extensive experience in these fields (be it advisory or disputes/ recovery).

     

    What has your experience in dealing with foreign companies been like? How do they differ, if at all, from local clients?

    Foreign companies are more professional in their approach but now the local companies are also reaching there.

     

    What would you describe the work atmosphere as? How does the same play out in terms of work load and cooperation among those working with you?

    Work atmosphere plays a very important role because you spend a majority of your time at the workplace. If your colleagues are helpful and seniors are motivating, then it surely acts as a catalyst in facilitating the growth of any individual and the organisation as well, because I believe that “Happy and successful Employees make a Happy and successful Organisation”.

     

    How taxing would you describe your work as, does it afford time for a life outside the office?

    I love what I do and I can’t see myself doing anything else. I am passionate about my work and hence it’s not taxing at all. I am an early riser, so I get my share of “me” time and remain much contended with that.

     

    Looking back, how different would your experience have been if you were at a national law university?

    Education systems makes a lot of difference. Surely there would have been a lot of value added.

     

    What is your opinion of the current legal education system for law students given the internship and material intensive five or three year programmes? How does the same affect your hiring policy?

    I really like the current education system. I see interns at my firm. Some of them “are very good lawyers in making”. We, in fact, sometimes absorbs interns as associates because we have first hand experience of their ability and attitude. I personally, in my team, have a few such examples of individuals who had interned with me and are/were working as associate.

     

    If you were a law student today, would you do anything differently? If so, what would it be and why?

    Yes, certainly. I would have done internships during my law course because getting exposed to practical side of law while gaining knowledge of the theory acts as a stimulant in becoming a good lawyer.

     

    What would your parting advice be to our readers?

    Work hard! Read Hard! Make books your best friend!

  • Anurag Parihar, Founder and Chief Executive officer, on providing an online e-learning platform for lawyers

    Anurag Parihar, Founder and Chief Executive officer, on providing an online e-learning platform for lawyers

    Anurag Parihar graduated from MATS University in 2014. At present, he is the founder and chief executive officer of Rostrumlegal.com. RostrumLegal.Com is an online e-learning platform for lawyers, law students and anyone who wants to learn law. The company operates with a vision to deliver professional legal education to millions of people from around the world at affordable costs.

    In this interview he talks to us about:

    • Biggest challenges to start a business.
    • How to protect a great idea.
    • How to obtain a domain name.
    • Online courses helpful in starting a business.

    What are the biggest challenges to starting a business?

    I think taking the first step is the biggest challenge. I always say this to people that every tom, dick or harry in this world has one or two business ideas which can be worth millions of dollars but no one dares to materialise those ideas. I think each one of us have experienced that moment in life when, after hearing a news about some cool startup, we say that “I had a similar business idea, I should have given it a try…” Taking the first step is a real big deal in starting any kind of business.

    There are lot of other things, like commitment towards studies or the job, and pressure from family and friends, which prevent us from taking risks. If you think that your idea can create an impact in changing the way people live their lives, you should definitely give it a try.

    How can I protect my great idea?

    It might sound a bit hilarious but from my personal experience both as a law student and an entrepreneur I would say that ideas are the only form of intellectual property which cannot be afforded any legal protection. Also, you cannot sue anyone or claim a compensation for stealing your ‘great idea’. In fact, stopping someone from pursuing the same kind of business as yours can prove to be unlawful and anti-competitive.

    If you have a great business idea in mind and you have fully convinced yourself to start your journey to become the next Steve Jobs or Elon Musk of the industry, it would be a very good thing to share and discuss your idea with as many people as you can to take positive inputs to start. A suggestion from an unknown fellow passenger in a local train can also prove to be helpful in realising your billion-dollar dream!

    Once you have started or when you are already in the business, you can utilise a lot of legal routes to protect the things which are important to your business. Those things can be your logo, the name of your business, software codes, designs or your secret fried chicken masala (it’s better not to spill such secret)!

    How can I obtain the domain name I want?

    I think choosing the right domain name for starting a website or a blog is really important to create a good online presence. Domain names can be very crucial if the business is targeting online users. To choose a domain name one should keep in mind that it should be a unique web address. Also, at the same point of time it should be very general to the industry you are doing your business in. Following this suggestion can help businesses or blogs to get organic traffic from search engines. This can be really helpful in contributing towards the growth of the business especially in early days. The perfect example for such type of domains can be housing.com or conferencealerts.com.

    There are a lot of websites which sell domains and provide other web hosting services. It is advised to go with a big brand and since these service providers sometimes offer great deal on domains and hosting packages, one should do a proper research before buying to crack the best deal. Also, it should be noted that setting up an ecommerce store or a blog is very easy, there are several articles available on the web which can help you in learning to do so.

    How much should I capitalize my business with at the beginning?

    The amount of investment needed while starting the business completely depends on the type of business. Some types of businesses can be started at the cost of very small or zero investment. A YouTube channel or a Facebook page sharing funny posts to make people laugh can be turned into a profitable business, the cost of starting such things is practically nothing. A small e-commerce website or a blog, publishing articles on topics like 10 things to not, can be started at a cost of less than 5000 Rupees.

    On the other hand, there are lot of capital intensive businesses, like a restraint or a manufacturing company, which can require a lot of investment at the beginning itself. A business can be started either with no money or with a lot of investment but it is very important to plan the budget and the source of income for a long run to manage some of necessary spending in future.

    Where can I get money for my business?

    Investment is a very important ingredient for growth or expansion of a business. There are a lot of options available for entrepreneurs to raise funds. Some of the important sources include an angel funding, or a funding from a venture capital fund. Two of these are can be simply differentiated by the amount of money they invest in your start up. The former is an investing company often managed by few people known as angel investors who invest significantly less amount of money when compared to venture capital funds which are usually giant corporations managing a huge pool of money. There are lot of schemes run by government and various public and private sector banks which offer collateral free loans to small and medium scale companies on a lucrative interest rates.

    There are other creative options to raise money like crowd funding where a startup can raise money from general public by simply posting their business plan on crowdfunding website and offering exclusive launch benefits to the investors. There are a lot of competitions which select infant startups and provide them with mentorship and a small amount of initial funding. There are a lot of startup incubators which look for promising early stage startups.

    The amount of money available as compared to the requirement of startups is very less. Only one in a 100 startup is able to attract investors to provide funding. Not only the business idea, but a lot of factors contribute in making a startup attractive to the investors. And, last but not the least, the revenue generated by the business is also an important source of funding.

    How should equity be divided among co-founders of a startup?

    I think that this is the toughest question in the interview and also one of the most confusing decision an entrepreneur has to take in his life.The equity can be divided by looking into various factors like the type of responsibilities each founder has. Such responsibilities can include the development of the product, investing initial capital, formulating and refining the business idea, marketing, business development etc. Sometimes it is good to take advice from a third party who is close to all the founders, knows the business and is not interested in the business of the company.

    It is also important for the founders to enter into a founder’s agreement which decides the share of equity each founder gets and also enlists the responsibility of each of the founders. The agreement should also accommodate plans to include team members and investors who will join the company in future. There a lot of articles, blog posts and tutorial videos which can be referred to gain a clear understanding on this area.

    What online resources are helpful for learning more about starting a business?

    Several types of free resources are available, both online and offline, to learn about the ways of doing business. Just ask google if you are stuck on something and you will surely find the solution to your problem.

    There are a lot of websites like Forbes, Tech Crunch and Entrepreneur who publish a lot of articles on important issues. Also, there are lot You Tube channels who publish videos to help entrepreneur. I would recommend following ‘Google for Entrepreneurs’. It is also advised to know about the life of entrepreneurs and other type of leaders. One can also watch movies and read books to get inspired!

    I would recommend people to watch my latest favourite movies ‘Steve Jobs’ (2015) and ‘The Big Shorts’ (2015). Also,If you are looking for a step by step guide to start a business, you can read ‘The 100 Dollar Startup’ by Chris Guillebeau.

  • Kunal Marathe, CEO of Author’s Empire India, on pursuing his career in law

    Kunal Marathe, CEO of Author’s Empire India, on pursuing his career in law

    Having written columns, articles and short stories for various publications, Kunal Marathe’s first novel was released in January 2011. Now at 26, he is the CEO of Author’s Empire India and has authored two books. More than twenty titles including fiction, non-fiction and poetry have been published under his company’s aegis. Magic Magic is the third book authored by him.

    At present he is studying law from Indore Institute of Law.

    In this interview he talks to us about:

    • His decision to write a novel and the challenges faced as a first time novelist.
    • How to create an impressive book trailer.
    • How to find a publisher.
    • His decision to pursue law.

    How did you decide to write your first novel? What were the challenges that you faced?

    Frankly speaking, I didn’t write my first novel because I had a story that forced me to write. Rather, I wrote because writing a novel was something I always wanted to. I had a dream of becoming a writer since when I was in school. It was all I ever wanted.

    Challenges – there were many. I can write a book on them. Unfortunately in India, when someone dreams of taking writing – or any other art – as his career, it’s never easy. When I started drafting the story of my first novel; I was working in Hotel Taj, Mumbai. I used to work till 12 at night, and then, sit in an open library of Fort area all night to complete my novel. It was tough balancing the job, writing, and then those long traveling hours in Mumbai local. But that was just the beginning of the challenges. In writing and publishing industry, actual challenges begin after you get published.

    Tell us something about your upcoming novel ‘Magic Magic’.

    Magic Magic is a unique novel – it’s a blend of magic and romance, something that is uncommon for the Indian market. It’s the first book of the series that would revolve around Sikandar, a gifted magician.

    The novel has been written by two authors – Mr. Anil Samotiya and I. We have tried to keep it lighthearted, something the young Indian readers prefer. Though Magic is the center theme of the novel, romance and humor are the major elements.

    If I want to write a novel, how would I go and find a publisher?

    Today in the world of Internet, finding and approaching publishers is not a tough job – however, getting your manuscript selected by them is! Penguin Random House, Rupa Publications, Harper Collins and Westland are some of reputed names. Generally one has to send a synopsis of the novel, along with few sample chapters and a cover letter to the publishers as the first step of submission. However, each of them has some special guidelines, which can be found on their official websites.

    In case one fails to get his/her manuscript accepted by the publishers, he/she can opt for paid publishing in which the writer pays to the publisher to get the book published. My publication, Author’s Empire had stopped function around one and half years ago due to some financial issues. However, we have resumed our publishing process and any author can contact us for traditional publishing or paid publishing by simply dropping an email at authorsempire@gmail.com

    How can I learn to create an impressive book trailer?

    What I have seen especially in India is that 99% of the book trailers being released by the authors are immature works. Never do that. Making an impressive book trailer is a time and money consuming work.

    Book trailers can be cinematic; like the one of Magic Magic shown below. Or they can be work of graphics or animation, etc. What you need to understand is that a book trailer is NOT the blurb or synopsis of the book. Many writers simply use the lines from the blurb of the book and form them into the trailer. A book trailer should rather be something that would attract the readers. It’s a medium of marketing – something to compel the reader to buy your book and read it after being watched.

    Here’s the link for book trailer of Magic Magic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0lywxhODZY

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0lywxhODZY

    What prompted you to study law despite of writing and publishing being your professional background?

    I am studying law not as a career option, I am happy with my current profession – writing and publishing. I am studying law because it has always fascinated me. I guess every citizen should study law – in a college or with the help of good law books. Having the knowledge of law protects you, and it gives you strength to serve your nation and society by acting against the wrong and supporting the right causes.

    From where are you studying law?

    I had many options in Indore, my hometown. I chose Indore Institute of Law. I was told that they are the best in the city, which proved out to be true. Since I also have writing and publishing to look at, I need constant support from my college to complete the projects and cover the course when I fail to attend some classes. And the professors – and even the Executive Director, Mr. Gaurav Basant Jain – at Indore Institute of Law have always been extremely helpful.

     What would be your advice to our readers?

    I would like to keep it short. For those who are studying law, please study it to understand the law completely, not just to get a job! And for every single reader of this marvelous portal, I request you all to read my upcoming novel – Magic Magic, which is available on Amazon.in here.

    The Link is: http://www.amazon.in/Magic-Novel-Anil-Samotiya/dp/9383865008/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1459810499&sr=1-1&keywords=magic+magic+a+novel

  • Nakul Bhatnagar, Senior Consultant, on recruiting for various roles in the legal sector in India and across Asia

    Nakul Bhatnagar, Senior Consultant, on recruiting for various roles in the legal sector in India and across Asia

    Nakul Bhatnagar graduated from Cardiff University, U.K. in 2011. At present, he is a Senior Consultant at Aquis Search with responsibility for private practice and in-house legal recruitment services in India. He recruits for various roles in the legal sector in India and across Asia. He is interested in connecting with potential clients who have talent acquisition requirements and professionals looking for their next career challenge.

     In this interview, he talks to us about:

    • His experience at Cardiff University.
    • How interns can get positive feedback in limited time.
    • What law firms look for in potential candidates.
    • His advice on CV building.

    Most of our readers are young lawyers and law students. How will you introduce yourself to them?

    I am a lawyer by training and legal recruiter by profession. I was born and raised in New Delhi and spent almost all my life here. Post class XII, I pursued the B.Com (Hons.) course from Delhi University and after having dabbled in very different fields in the industry, I decided to pursue Law. I completed my LL.B from Cardiff University, U.K. in 2011 and after having worked with a few organisations (including a law firm and a trade law counsel). I made the switch to legal recruitment in 2014 and joined an Indian legal recruitment firm. I am currently working as a Senior Consultant with Aquis Search – Asia’s leading executive search firm with offices in prominent Asian cities. I focus on legal and compliance recruitments, across junior and mid-levels in India and the Middle East.The story continues…

    Having done B.com, what motivated you to choose law as a career? Or did it just happen?

    Doing law was a rather calculated decision for me and I believe I found inspiration to do law from the most unusual places. During my college days, I was actively following the Indian independent music scene and briefly performed in a rock band myself. Not to mention, I was a very confused child and tried my hand in so many different fields to try and come to a career conclusion – I interned in places like design studios, ad agencies and a music / events company as well. Post my graduation, I was pretty much convinced that I wanted to take up music management and for a year, I worked with a company which promoted independent original music, managed artistes and organized live concerts & festivals. During this time, I had the good fortune of interacting with musicians and a few lawyers who introduced me to several new concepts like Copyright, Performance Rights and Digital Rights Management. I was quite intrigued to see how the law worked with something as basic as a song or a performance. It was something that I never thought could work so well in an ecosystem that seemed completely disconnected. I started researching on what options I may have and I decided to try and pursue law. Not to mention, my father is a lawyer by training himself and always encouraged me to pursue a career in the field. Little did I know that the adventure was just beginning!

    Describe your experience at Cardiff University.

    The experience of studying at a foreign university was surreal. The methodologies, the faculty, course structures and support offered were very beneficial to every law student. Cardiff, being one of the top law schools in the U.K., was possibly the biggest learning experience for me. Constant development every step of the way, studying there made me the person I am today. Studying in Cardiff gave me immense exposure to global standards of legal education and a connection to a worldwide network of prominent lawyers. An additional advantage of studying there was that the University is recognized by the Bar Council of India and the transition of practicing in India was never tough. Many Indian students who graduated from there have moved back and are successfully practicing here (even as Partners at leading law firms).

    How do you say interns can get positive feedback in the limited time they have?

    Internships are probably the most valuable experience any budding lawyer can get. In one way or another, they are the stepping stones for a career in law. They show you the practical side of the profession and how the application of the law goes much beyond the course books.

    Pro-activity is possibly the most valuable skill that an intern needs to posses. Try and be actively involved with the partner / associates that you are working under. Remember, they get interns every month and recall value is definitely scarce. You have to make the jump out of the page for them to remember you. Especially final year students; if you wish to work with the firm post law school, you will have to walk the extra mile for them to offer you a PPO or a recommendation.

    Having worked in the legal recruitment industry what are the challenges you have faced?

    Challenges are as wide in this industry as any other. The point of working in a niche can work as an advantage and a challenge as well. The advantage of being a lawyer has helped me work my way into legal recruitment. I can understand the work that one does and has done in the past and how that experience can work well for a potential opportunity that one may be looking for. It is of utmost importance for recruiters to look at both sides of the spectrum. One needs to understand the needs of the lawyer looking at a potential job as well as the recruiter, looking to hire talent for his firm. The gap needs to be filled perfectly or it could pretty much lead to issues for the firm, as well as the young lawyer.

    Acquiring talent is a big task for any recruiter. Opportunities, whilst being seasonal, are usually always prevalent in the market. It is the right talent that can be scarce at times. Firms are usually very sure of the qualities that they want in a lawyer (law school, practice areas, experience wise). Getting them the perfect fit is the mark of a good recruiter. We have to remember that the level of trust, shown by a firm looking to hire and a lawyer looking to be placed, are utmost in a recruiter. Challenges are a part of everyday life but, just like any profession, they can be overcome.

    What do law firms look for in potential candidates?

    Here we go! (If I had penny for every time I was asked this question… you know how it goes.)

    Let’s get it straight. Firms are looking for someone who is with them for the long haul. Period! Firms (especially the big ones) in India are built on the core values of their name and legacy. They are looking for professionals who can be nurtured into taking that name forward.

    Professionally, the story isn’t very different from any other profession. A strong educational background, the ability to work hard and with a team, diligence, communication skills and of course, patience. The transition phase (especially the first 6-9 months) maybe tougher but the reward has its own charm.

    Strong on technicals – the main point of focus. For example; a prospective corporate lawyer should have the acumen for numbers, financials and a strong eye for detail and along with this good knowledge on topics like Contract Law, Sale of Goods Act, Company Law, SEBI Regulations, FEMA, FDI Regulations etc. Similarly, a professional, looking to build a name in the disputes practice needs to be aware of everything around him in the legal environment. Be prepared with important sections of the CPC, CrPC, Constitution, landmark judgments and recent developments in the legal biosphere.

    The basic quality that every lawyer needs to possess (and I cannot stress this enough!) is the eye for detail in everything that they read or write. Till date, I have seen so many professionals who are not proficient with drafting and tend to omit so many errors; it’s possibly one of the biggest grey areas for any law firm looking to hire. You need to start from the bottom of the food chain everywhere. Your firm will want to know everything that you are capable of.

    What advice would you give to law students / professionals interviewing for law firms?

    The one piece of advice that would be the most important (for lawyers across levels);KNOW YOUR CV. Know every word of every line of what you have put on there. For freshers, your internship details are of utmost importance. Know the names of the Partners / Associates that you worked under, the teams, the kind of work and your involvement. For laterals, any transaction / matter that you worked on, your contribution to the same and everything that you have put on your resume. You need to have your CV on your fingertips; if it is on your CV, get ready to be questioned. Keep yourself abreast with all legal developments in the market, especially the ones with a connection to any phrase mentioned on your CV. Apart from academic qualifications; your extra curriculars go a long way in determining your achievements. Moot courts, debates and other activities are equally important to show your development during law school.

    Apart from that, know what is happening in the market and of course, know the firm that you are interviewing with. You need to know details about key partners, latest deals and general structure of the firm as questions can be fired from any direction. You need to assure your interviewer that you are the right choice and your knowledge about the firm makes you want to be there. This is about going that extra mile to show your appreciation for their time and consideration. People always look for that spark that would separate you from the others. Be confident in what you answer and do not hesitate in accepting that you may not know something out of the plethora of questions, it is only natural. Be sure to tell them even if you don’t know or are unsure. Be sure to make a note of it and tell them you can research and get back to them with a sure answer. Surety goes a very long way. Be sure of yourself and what you know and you’ve already won half the battle.

    What must a law student do to get hired in a top-tier law firm? Any advice on CV building that law students must keep in mind?

    Before I answer that, we really need to address one thing for young lawyers and everyone else reading. The mentality of a ‘top-tier’ brand is changing in this ever evolving legal market of ours. Whilst top-tier firms still do rule the roost and deservedly so, many firms operating on a smaller scale (only in terms of number of people) are bringing in meaty work and good clients. These firms (bracketed as mid-sized or boutique firms) are coming up with a strong force and several of them have been started by and employ alumni from leading firms. In terms of quality of work, people employed and even pay-scales, they are very competitive with all other firms and will be a force to reckon with in the near future.

    Let’s face it; cut throat competition in the market as of now, is more than it has ever been. With more than 70,000 lawyers graduating every academic year, securing an interview can turn out to be quite a harrowing process. Most firms hire graduates directly from campus or make offers to their star interns. Firms that do come on campus will look for someone whose CV jumps right out of the page to catch their attention. Hence, building a strong CV is the first stepping stone to this process.

    On CV building, we need to remain concise. Academics are the foremost factor that people tend to look at on your resume. Your grades need to be consistent and will be considered on priority. Along with grades, a few other factors that may help go a long way:-

    Moot Courts – The first insight into a Court environment, the basic reason and intention of organizing moots is to help students develop their research and oratory skills. You should try to actively be a part of inter / intra college moot court competitions. The skills that are put to task here are the ones you need the most in this profession and one can develop them very well.

    Research Papers / Publications – Your knowledge on the latest developments in the profession are yet another tool in your artillery. Your knowledge on the information gathered here could easily be one of the biggest advantages in the interview

    Organisational Skills –The committees that you were a part of during college, the activities that you took part in. These show a sense of team work which every young professional can use to his / her advantage.

    How is the legal landscape in India changing viz a viz the talent needs?

    The landscape has changed hugely over the past few years since I have been following it. People are beginning to focus more on the person, rather than their pedigree (which has always been the growing trend). Firms are seeing severe competition in the market and of course, last year was probably one filled with the biggest surprises (and shocks for some) in the industry. Reasons like these alone, are completely twisting the landscape. Since any change can be positive or negative, depending on the perspective, the industry has learnt to adapt with its growing needs. Firms are getting bigger, business is on the constant rise and people are needed. At this point of time, hiring at the senior level is becoming more strategic and there is definite preference for those having their own book of business and good reputation and relationships in the industry. Another interesting point to note is that, at the junior and mid levels, firms are also investing heavily in BD and internal trainings.

    Lastly what are your plans for future? What advice would you give to law students wishing to work in the same sector as you?

    After having dabbled in so many sectors myself, I feel I found my niche in the legal recruitment business. The plan is to learn and grow with the system which is growing every step of the way. I am glad to have found a platform like Aquis Search, as it is the only search / recruitment firm in the legal and compliance industry in India has with an international network – in both the in-house and private practice space. I am happy to be able to leverage my network and relationships to hopefully bring a positive change in the Indian legal ecosystem.

    Guys, success and failure are a part and parcel of the game. Trust me, I’ve been there. Everyone is prone to mistakes and the best part is that it’s never the end of the world. Getting a law firm job or not shouldn’t be on your final list. The profession that we are in, is one of constant growth and learning. One literally can never stop learning here (even if it feels like things are stagnant). Keep making mistakes, learn from them, equip yourself better and move on. The recruitment business is on very similar lines. I feel that my experience in law practice has equipped me with the knowledge to be a decent legal recruiter. For anyone wishing to work in the same field, I’d only say that keep your eyes and ears open. Most importantly, build the best network that you can (a network is what makes or breaks a recruiter). You should enjoy being an all-round people’s person. The work is all about the trust that you gain with your clients and candidates alike so, keep the lines of communication flowing because after all, professionals are trusting you with their careers on the line.

    Lastly, as a lawyer or a recruiter, never lose hope. Be confident in your professional abilities and start! The world is out there. Good luck!

     

  • Prem Rajani, Managing Partner, Rajani Associates, on building a firm practice and experience in corporate law

    Prem Rajani, Managing Partner, Rajani Associates, on building a firm practice and experience in corporate law

    Prem Rajani graduated from Government Law College in 1990 and is now the Managing Partner of Rajani Associates which was established in 1999. In this interview he talks to us about:

    • His time in law school and how facets of the profession have evolved with time.
    • The importance of moots, debating and internships.
    • Building a corporate law firm profile.
    • Working in Structuring and M&A deals.
    • Advice for young lawyers today.

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers, most of whom are university going law students in India?

    Currently I am the Managing Partner of Rajani Associates. Rajani Associates is a full-service law firm based in Mumbai and established in November 1999. The Firm has been involved in domestic and international practice in nearly all fields of corporate law as well as commercial litigation and property law. The Firm closely works alongside firms in the US, Europe, Middle East, South East Asia and Australia to meet the needs of our global clients. Our areas of practice are Corporate & Commercial, Mergers & Acquisitions and Competition Law, Banking and Finance, Domestic and International Capital Markets, Private Equity, Corporate Litigation and Arbitration, fund Formation, Real Estate & Trusts, Projects and Project Finance, Technology, Media & Telecom and Intellectual Property rights, Corporate Debt Restructuring, Structuring, Anti-Bribery and Corruption.

     

    Tell us about your life before you joined law school. What made you gravitate towards law?

    Immediately after finishing with school and college (commerce faculty from Jai Hind College) I joined Government Law College. The paramount factor that made me take up law was my father’s business that had a lot of dependency on solicitors for preparation of legal documents. Alongside my studies, very early on, I started assisting my father with his business and as a result often met many solicitors. The manner in which solicitors conducted themselves fascinated me. I started getting drawn to legalities and the documents that were being prepared. There came a point that I became so passionate about the profession that I had no doubt left in my mind that a solicitor is all I wanted to be.

     

     

    You graduated from GLC in 1990. How were the days? What would you advise our readers is the ideal things to look to get out of university, other than a degree?

    During my time law firms did not retain interns for summer/winter training and as such work training for most of us did not happen till we joined a law firm as an article for solicitor examination training. Most of us therefore very seriously attended college and read books from the library. Today the trend has changed. Young students are getting a chance to intern at a variety of established law firms giving them a chance to know and practice law outside of books and may be college attendance has taken a backseat. However I don’t necessarily mean that in a bad way. I only do wish to suggest to the younger generation that along with collecting work experience they must spend more time reading Bare Acts and established commentary books rather than simply relying on test papers to clear examinations, because after all knowledge of Law is paramount and irreplaceable. The opportunity to participate in moot courts as a student is also great and every student must to his or her best ability try and participate in them, whether as the research team or on the argument team. Lastly, irrespective of which branch of Law one wants to profess, it is my sincere belief and advice that every law student must spend the first two-three years of his or her career practicing hardcore litigation.

     

    What were your areas of interest in the law? Did you engage in extracurricular activities while in college?

    During my college days my areas of interest were predominantly the Transfer of Property Act, Income Tax Act and a few other substantial laws (such as the Contract Act, Trust Act, Sales of Goods Act, and Negotiable Instrument Act). Somehow, I was not very inclined towards the constitution of criminal Laws. As mentioned above, in my opinion moot court competitions, mediation competitions and debates are extremely important both in terms of gaining knowledge and to get over stage phobia. I used to stand up and address the judge as well as counter the opponent quite comfortably, all of which assisted in my overall development.

     

    How must a law student decide on choosing his internships?  What criteria did you follow if any?

    As I stated earlier, during the initial days a student must try to do more of litigation and property Law and accordingly select law firms established in these practice areas. In my opinion, an understanding of these Laws builds a good foundation for the general practice of Law. However if a student is already decided and is highly focused on a specific branch of Law (such as IPR) then the student must select a law firm accordingly.

     

    Tell us about your internship experiences while at university. How did they aid your development?

    The concept of internship did not exist during my college / university days. What existed and what I did sign up for was articleship (a specialized training programme required to pursue the examination of solicitors). I for one had a wonderful experience during my articled days. I was fortunate to have not one but three brilliant seniors. The experience and exposure I received was unmatched and changed my entire perception towards how Law is understood, applied and practiced. During my articleship days there was no access to computers or search engines (life without which is unimaginable by many youngsters today). All research was based on the traditional style of referring to books and a physical library and most often but not self-interpretation. It helped us lawyers from those days to hone our research skills, develop our sense of interpretation and most of all gain an all-round knowledge on various topics of Law.

     

    What led you to gravitate towards Structuring and M&A practice? What opportunities may one find in this area?

    During 1990 private equities and IPOs did not exit much and as such the corporate world mostly comprised M&A activities. Structuring became a natural choice (and is now a hobby) considering the complex Laws, most of which keep changing from time to time and the fact that no single transaction can be considered  keeping in mind only one single statue. M&A transactions at all points require the analysation of various Laws. For instance issue of a convertible security must be analysed under the Companies Act, the FDI Policy, SEBI Regulations (for a listed company) and Income Tax Act and in certain cases special statutes such as the Banking Act, Insurance Act etc.

     

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    You were well placed after graduation with the then new Foreign Exchange laws coming in post 1991, an area you focus on. Having seen the law evolve and various sectors open up, how did this first-hand experience prove valuable?

    I am perhaps one of the few fortunate lawyers who saw the evolution of FDI from 1991 till date. Not only was I amongst those lawyers practicing the Law in 1991 but was also amongst those few who were then working in a corporate law firm. There has been a material shift from what Laws were in 1991 and what the FDI Laws are in 2016. One good aspect has been that during the past 25 years despite several Governments coming up no Government has reversed the FDI Policy. If at all, each Government has systematically liberalised the policy. The current Government has also been quite active and liberalised the policy significantly within the last 2 years. However, liberalisation at each stage has been well guarded and though one may find that there are still some restrictions, under the given economic situation of the country and the globe at large, personally I feel some of the restrictions and regulations are necessary in the interest of the nation.

    As for my personal experience, I have first hand witnessed the initiation and then the journey of FDI in this country. It has given me the advantage of knowing and understanding each stage of liberalisation. I have had the chance to follow why a certain sector was so heavily guarded and why certain sectors have slowly and gradually been liberalised together with the thought process for each change. All of this has made my journey as a lawyer very exciting.

     

    You have been ranked by Chambers and Partners and IFLR1000 as a leading lawyer for M&A in India. Could you tell our readers more about what this practice entails, for anyone who may be interested in taking it up?

    As stated earlier M&A is an interesting field of Law and one needs to have an overall 360 degrees view and knowledge of the various direct and ancillary Laws involved. For instance, in case of acquisition of a listed company by another listed company one needs to analyse the applicable provisions of the Companies Act, SEBI Takeover Regulations, Insider Trading Regulations, Listing Regulations, FDI Policy (in case there is a significant foreign shareholder) Competition Act, Income Tax Act, Stamp Act and in the event the target company is engaged in any specific sector (viz Banking, Insurance) then those specific statutes also need to be studied. Along with all of this, there is also always a complex grid of transaction documents to be drafted or reviewed. All of this needs proper synchronization amongst various service providers to ensure that both parties to the deal eventually get what they have bargained for.

     

    You founded a law firm that is doing very well today. What challenges do you think someone who wishes to start a firm or independent practice is likely to face? What would you advise them to do to mitigate such circumstances?

    The challenges faced by me when I started this law firm in November 1999 are different then what are faced by start-ups today. During 1990s, in a year only two or three new firms were registered or formed, while currently there are almost twelve to thirteen new law firms coming up each year. During 1990s, most founders /partners would usually have 10 to 15 years experience before starting their own firm; but of late I have seen that there are some of the law firm’s with partners having 5 to 7 years of experience. Some of the young law firms start out on the promise or assurance of a handful of clients and that is exactly where these law firms should be cautious, in as much as one cannot start the law firm on the strength of 4-5 clients promising some business. Also all clients at the end of the day expect quality work and at no cost should that be compromised on due to inexperience or the lack of a team.

     

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    Rajani Associates has consistently been ranked at the top in dealing with Asia-Pacific M&A. Has there been a specific push towards this sector and how have you remained the best?

    We are thankful that we continue to be ranked in the top in dealing with Asia-Pacific M&A. There is no specific push towards this sector. It is just that our work speaks for itself backed by the good wishes and recommendations of our clients and occasionally the counter parties in a transaction.

     

    As Managing Partner of the firm, what is an average day at work like? We would love to hear about the day-to-day responsibilities that need to be handled by someone in your position.

    I am usually in the office by 9:30 -9:45 a.m. and leave around 10:00 p.m., which is nearly 12 hours in the office. Though the Managing Partner, I still enjoy hands on work in any transaction, more particularly transactions that involve conceptualisation and structuring (whether Corporate or Litigation) and at times negotiations. During the day, in addition to working on some transactions, I also need to devote time to meet clients as well as discuss office related issues with the partners and occasionally also spend time with some associates. All of this goes towards grooming budding lawyers that are the future. No doubt there is a support staff, but there are occasions when some decisions do need my intervention. In addition to all this I enjoy speaking at Seminars (which requires me to spend more time reading and updating). And above all is the updates in Law. I spend my weekends reading the latest in Law, be it judgements or reforms in statutes or policies.

     

    What advice do you have for fresh graduates who are entering law firms as an associate? What can they be expected to be judged on?

    As I stated earlier, my advice to the fresh graduates is that they must spend at least the first two – three years in pursuing a litigation practice and amongst other substantial statutes they must read and understand Transfer Property Act, Sale of Goods Act, Trust Act etc. These mother Acts form the basic foundation of knowledge which sadly most of the young generation of lawyers are choosing to skip in the lure of directly studying and practicing the specialised statutes. Specialised statutes are very important but without the basic knowledge of substantial statues, young lawyers will find interpretation and drafting a legally enforceable document a bit challenging.

     

    Finally, what is your parting message for our readers?

    Unlike some of the other professions (Medical, Engineering, MBA) that have a high entry barrier requiring extensive hard work even before graduation, the legal profession has fewer entry barriers. Challenges for lawyers begin after they pass Law. The statutes keep changing from time to time, new judgements keep updating interpretations from time to time and more importantly one’s own ability to interpret Law develops from time to time. A lawyer is required to read and update himself or herself on a daily basis and throughout his or her professional career. A lawyer must have the passion for reading and must be open for different views or interpretations.

  • Tarunabh Khaitan, Associate Professor, Oxford Univ, on pursuing BCL, M.Phil and D.Phil from Oxford, being a visiting scholar at NYU

    Tarunabh Khaitan, Associate Professor, Oxford Univ, on pursuing BCL, M.Phil and D.Phil from Oxford, being a visiting scholar at NYU

    Dr. Tarunabh Khaitan is an alumnus of the 2004 batch of NLSIU, Bangalore and a recipient of the prestigious Rhodes Scholarship. After completing his masters (BCL) from Oxford University, Tarunabh decided to pursue higher studies, he completed his M.Phil and D.Phil from Oxford in 2007 and 2010 respectively. Tarunabh is an Associate Professor at Oxford currently, he teaches Constitutional Law and Jurisprudence to undergraduates, Discrimination Law to graduates, and supervises research in his areas of interest.

    In this interview he talks about:

    • Studying at NLSIU and at Oxford.
    • Building a profile and SOP for pursuing further studies at the best universities.
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    • His experience working as an Associate Professor at Oxford and as a visiting scholar at New York University.

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to them?

    I am an academic working on law and legal theory.

     

    Did you have lawyers in your family or in close proximity? How did you come to touch with law?

    I don’t have any lawyers in my family. Where I grew up law wasn’t something one aspired to. A more urbane cousin passed on the law school prospectus and I gave it a go—entirely serendipitous. This chanced encounter with the law motivated my discussions with Shamnad Basheer on the need for diversity in law schools. I am very pleased to see his dynamism and energy in taking the IDIA (Increasing Diversity by Increasing Access) project from strength to strength.

     

    How was your law school experience at NLSIU? Do you recall your first day at the Halls of Residence? Would you like to share any observation/memory from those days?

    I loved my time in law school, largely because of the friends I made, and because that is where my political education happened. My politics and history classes and my internship with Aruna Roy’s Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (MKSS) early in my law school career were particularly instructive. These early influences have continued to shape my thinking and career ever since.

    I don’t recall my first day at law school, but I was probably very nervous and convinced they made a mistake in letting me in. Everyone else seemed cleverer. In hindsight, despite many positives, I don’t think law school challenged me enough academically. With some honourable exceptions, most courses required minimal effort, and reading cases or articles was entirely optional. I got a lot out of those five years and wouldn’t change that for anything else, but Indian law school needs to do a lot more to deliver on their primary mission of teaching law to young minds, and to help them think independently about the law.

     

    What were your areas of interest during your graduation? How did you go about developing expertise and knowledge in these areas?

    I was interested in public law and human rights law. My interest in these fields has continued, although I engage with them through a theoretical lens mostly.

     

    How do you think a law student can build up his profile to get through to top-notch universities like Oxford? What should one do differently in college if he wants to pursue higher studies after graduation?

    Most people in law school are very clever. Effort and motivation is the main thing that makes a difference. Most postgrad universities care about academic excellence alone. If you want to join the academy, more important than strategically designing your profile is to have a genuine love for scholarship—if you have that craving, you are likely to do the right things. So it is useful to ask yourself why you want to join the academy, what you think the role and purpose of a university is, and whether and how your personal goals interact with the point of scholarship.

    That said, investing in learning how to write well can help. Indian law schools typically require you to do a lot of writing, but good feedback on improving your style, structure, argument and content is rare. I learnt the importance of clear, simply-communicated scholarship during my time at MKSS rather than at law school. To paraphrase a conversation over a dinner with Aruna Roy some 15 years ago, I remember her telling me that a polity needs good scholarship, but one that is readily intelligible. It was an important lesson.

     

    What was your area of study during your masters at Oxford? What was the academic pressure like and did you find time to engage yourself in other activities?

    I focussed on jurisprudence, human rights, constitutional theory and the penal system for my BCL. My doctoral research was on discrimination law theory, which was eventually published by OUP last year.

     

    How did you take the decision to pursue higher studies? How did you go about choosing the programme and the university?

    Like Edward Said, I believe that the role of an intellectual is to speak truth to power. It is the truth-seeking purpose of scholarship that underscores the importance of academic freedom. As for choosing Oxford, I got a scholarship to go there: that mostly did it.

     

    What was your first reaction on learning that you are being awarded the Rhodes scholarship? Do you recall the first few days and the interview?

    I was very happy, as one would expect. It has been a while (more than a decade), but I think most questions were character-oriented.

     

    How did you go about writing your résumé and most importantly, your Statement of Purpose?

    Not sure what résumé I submitted then, but I have come to realise the importance of short résumé, no more than one and a half sides. Selection panels include busy people, who have little more than a few minutes to make an initial judgment. Be kind to them, give a clean, professional résumé with your most important achievements. For the SOP, get as much feedback as you can on early drafts—from friends, family, professors, anyone whose opinion you care for. Make every sentence mean something. Keep it direct, personal, and honest. Don’t do platitudes.

     

    What would be your advice to our young readers who would like to apply for Rhodes scholarship in future? What all does it take to have a brilliant profile good enough for the Rhodes?

    I don’t think there is a formula. Rhodes scholars are a very diverse bunch, and there are many different ways to succeed. It is also important to remember that while the Rhodes Scholarship is valuable, it is not the only available door. While the role of luck cannot be discounted, if you have worked hard, something worthwhile should turn up. Being at an elite law school is already a position of immense privilege, one that secures opportunities not available to many others.

     

    How was your experience at Oxford? What are the classes and professors like? Are the classes more interactive?

    Oxford undergraduates are taught mainly in tutorials where 2 students meet a tutor for an hour once a week to have a pre-submitted essay dissected in detail. The contact hours are few—an undergraduate student typically gets 12 hours of tutorial in total in an 8 week term. But the intensity of exposure is staggering: there is no place to hide, not for the student, nor for the tutor. Lectures are mostly optional and students choose to go if they like the lecturer. Graduate students are mainly taught in larger seminars of 10-15 students, although they also get a limited number of tutorial exposure. The mainstay of the student experience here is the astonishing amount of self-study expected from students. A typical undergraduate student will normally read about 6-10 cases and 4-8 journal articles every week—graduate students read even more.

     

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    How rigorous was the academic schedule? Would you say a doctorate from Oxford can help make a good grounding for a career in academics?

    Research students don’t have any schedule, it is really important to be self-disciplined and be passionate about your research to keep going. Research can be a lonely and daunting process, and your relationship with your supervisor is the key. I was lucky to have a great supervisor in Nick Bamforth, I also know people who were less fortunate. A good doctorate is increasingly becoming absolutely essential to a career in legal academia. I would recommend prospective research students to make early informal contact with potential supervisors. Doctorates in the UK tend to take a lot less time than they do in the US.

     

    How is your experience of teaching at Oxford? Which subjects do you teach? How are the current batches of students whom you teach?

    I currently teach constitutional law and jurisprudence to undergraduates, discrimination law to graduates, and supervise research in my area of interest. I find that teaching feeds into my research in interesting ways, and with the best students, I frequently learn as I teach.

     

    Do tell us more about the Global Research Fellowship Scheme, 2016 and your experience at NYU.

    I am on sabbatical for the rest of this calendar year. I am currently visiting the law school at the University of Melbourne, and plan to spend a few months later in the year at New York University. It is just a time to get out of Oxford, learn a bit about how things are done at other universities, and get some research time without the pressures of teaching.