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  • Himanshu Sharma, MBA Candidate, IIM Ahmedabad, on all about studying MBA from IIMA

    Himanshu Sharma, MBA Candidate, IIM Ahmedabad, on all about studying MBA from IIMA

    Himanshu Sharma is a recent graduate from Gujarat National Law University, GNLU (2015). In his final year, he cracked Common Admission Test (CAT) to secure his admission in IIM-Ahmedabad. During his time in Law school, he interned at FICCI in their Intellectual Property Facilitation Centre, New Delhi and was a judicial clerk working under Justice Kurian Joseph.

    In this interview he talks about:

    • His Law school experience;
    • His work at FICCI and with Justice Kurian Joseph; and
    • All about cracking CAT and getting through IIM Ahmedabad
    • Faculty, facilities and the atmosphere at IIM-A.

     

    Himanshu, tell us a bit about yourself.

    I am currently a student of PGP-1 (MBA in colloquial terms) at Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad. I completed my graduation from Gujarat National Law University, Gandhinagar in 2015 and joined IIM-A after a barely month long break. I am a native of Dharamshala (H.P.) and love spending my time reading and gaming.

     

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    Tell us a bit about your childhood and pre-college life. Did you have lawyers in your family?

    I grew up and attended school in the hill towns of Shimla and Dharamshala. My pre-college life was very calm and laid-back with not much academic pressure as such. I used to spend much time playing video games. Interestingly, I am the first lawyer in my family. My extended family comprises solely of doctors and teachers.

     

    Why did you decide to study Law? What inspired you to do so?

    Law as a career was not my first choice. I was a science (non-medical) student in Class XII and was keen on pursuing engineering post school. However, during my last year in school, I realized that Law as a career also interested me. So I prepared for CLAT as well. The CLAT rank turned out to be really good and my parents convinced me that for a person like me, Law would be a much better option than engineering as they believed my skills were more suited towards it. Looking back, I somehow feel that taking up Law was one of the best decisions of my life, as it exposed me to a much broader learning experience than what would have been possible pursuing engineering.

     

    How was your experience at GNLU, Gandhinagar? How did you go about your academics as well as extra-curricular activities? Were you into mooting?

    The five years at GNLU have been nothing short of fantastic. I met amazing people here, learnt from some of the best teachers and did almost everything possible under the sun that I felt like doing. Academics at GNLU was not much of a burden as the course was evenly spread out over the different semesters. Any difficulties that I faced were resolved with the help of teachers or friends and seniors. GNLU students are also lucky to have a very active extra-curricular life. Almost every fortnight there used to be some activity or the other, ranging from simple music nights to week long sports leagues. I took part in as many as I felt comfortable with. I was not much into mooting as getting into mooting is a serious affair and time and energy needs to be dedicated. I represented the University in only two national moots, once in my first year and the next time in my third year.

     

    How was your experience serving various student committees at GNLU?

    The only committee I served in GNLU was the sports committee, which was a very good experience as it led to bonding with many people I would not have known otherwise. Working for the sports community at GNLU was also a pleasure. Also, from the experience of seeing my friends work with various committees, I cannot stress enough the hard work put in by such committees for the benefit of students. Whether it is the SAC or the MCC or the LSC, they keep on working throughout the year for the betterment of the student community at GNLU.

     

    Give some insights of your internship experience at FICCI in their Intellectual Property Facilitation Centre, New Delhi.

    I interned at the IP Facilitation centre of FICCI, New Delhi as IPR has always been my favourite area of Law since a long time. The work there mostly comprised of research on various ongoing events in the IP sector. A substantial work assigned to me was the preparation of a course booklet on IPR for high school students, to introduce them to the basics of IP Law and their importance. The work turned out to be quite challenging as the booklet had to be designed keeping in mind the limited exposure to Law for the students. Overall, the internship was a fun and learning experience. The interns also got the opportunity to meet luminaries in the field of IP Law at times.

     

    You did a Judicial Clerkship at Himachal Pradesh High Court under Hon’ble Chief Justice Kurian Joseph. What is the process of application? What do you think contributed to your selection?

    Interning under Hon’ble Justice Kurian Joseph was a wonderful experience. One of my batchmates and I both applied through the Registrar of the High Court and both got selected for the internship. However, the final decision was taken by the Hon’ble Chief Justice himself after having a short conversation with both of us. It would be really difficult to quantify the criteria of selection but I think all that mattered were that we were confident and open to learning.

     

    What kind of assignments did you get and what was your nature of work as an intern?

    The assignments were almost always about some small technicality that had arisen in some matter being adjudicated by the Justice Joseph. Rather than the work though, it was the few small discussions we had with Justice Joseph in his free time that provided us with a much better understanding of various aspects of Constitutional and Administrative Law. The whole experience also contributed much towards my learning of our judicial system.

     

    You are also interested in sports and were a member of the University Sports Committee and University Basketball Team. Tell us a bit about it.

    Being involved in every co-curricular or extra-curricular activity is not of much use if the same is done just for the sake of it and is not enjoyed. I think students would be at no loss if they focus on say one or two such activities only, if they enjoy what they are doing. From the perspective of enhancing the profile though, especially from the perspective of attending a B-school later, taking part in as many co-curricular or extra-curricular activities as you can is beneficial in the long run, as thy help distinguish you from other candidates during admissions.

     

    What prompted you to choose MBA after graduation and why not an LL.M or a Law firm job?

    I had not even thought much about post-graduation till my 3rd year. But as the 3rd year was almost ending, I realized that I really did not have much enthusiasm in me towards a corporate Law firm job. I found corporate Law to be very procedural and mundane. Pursuing IP Law was another option for me, but I felt that it would restrict me to a very niche field. So I gradually drifted towards going for post-graduation. I did not rule out an LL.M. right away, but somehow chose to go for an MBA over it as it seemed to offer better benefits in the form of diverse learning as well as a different career path. A very close friend also played an instrumental role in motivating me for pursuing an MBA.

     

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    When did you exactly start preparing for the CAT? When should a person ideally start preparation for the CAT and other management exams?

    I started preparing for CAT and other entrance exams when I started my 4th year at GNLU. So essentially, I prepared for almost one and a half year. However, I would not say that this is the ideal time limit for anyone who wants to prepare for the same. I have seen people cracking CAT after preparing for just four to six months, while some have taken close to 3-4 years to get into a B-school of their choice. It all depends on the kind of effort a person is willing to put in. I took more time because I was not very comfortable with the Quantitative section. Also during the first year of preparation, I prepared at a leisurely pace, putting in approximately 8-10 hours of work in a week.

     

    Did you get yourself enrolled in a coaching institute? How valuable do you think coaching institutions can be for MBA?

    I enrolled myself in a coaching institute as soon as I started preparation for CAT. For me, it was very valuable as they provided a comprehensive set of study material and scheduled mock exams at regular intervals. Having classes regularly also helped me pace my preparation as per a fixed schedule and not lag behind in any particular topic. The input of the coaching institution was even more valuable while preparing for the interviews as they guided me very well on how to handle and be confident during all sorts of interview scenarios.

     

    Which coaching institute did you go to? Was it possible for you to attend every class?

    I studied at a coaching institute named ‘Endeavor Careers’, with the center located approximately 4 km from the University. The classes were scheduled on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from 7-9 pm. There was a study room that was open 24 hours, 365 days a year. There was also a well-stocked library for the CAT aspirants to hone their English skills. Extra classes were also scheduled sometimes on weekends. Additionally, once the mock tests started, students were allotted slots for the same based on their preferences so as to avoid any clash with college schedules. I would say I roughly attended 90% of the classes, missing out mostly when I went for my internships or had some prior personal engagement. Backup classes were provided by the institute whenever students missed a class for a genuine application. Also, at the end of my 4th year, I opted not to go for internships and stayed in the University campus during May and June so that I could attend classes at the institute.

     

    How many hours did you put in for your preparations every day? Is it important to have a fixed schedule or weekly targets?

    As said earlier, it all depends on the person. For the first year, I would study a maximum of 2-3 hours a day. However, in the last six months, I studied anywhere from 4-8 hours daily, depending on my other workload. I had my fixed schedule only in the form of classes that I attended at my coaching institute. Other than that, I mostly stuck to determining weekly or fortnightly targets and then reaching them at my pace.

     

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    How did the other management entrance tests like MAT & XAT turn out to be?

    I took exams for other institutes such as XAT, IIFT, NMAT, etc. I cleared some of them while in some I did pretty badly. It all boils down to not losing your nerve and remaining calm when you have a set time limit to attempt a lot of questions. CAT however, gave me the chance to get into the best B-school of the country.

     

    CAT is one of the toughest management exams. How did you prepare and accustom yourself with these tough subjects?

    CAT can be said to be one of the toughest management exams, but all it requires is knowledge of English, High School level Mathematics, and Logical Reasoning. All these can be prepared easily over time. CAT anyways does not test the conceptual knowledge of candidates solely; rather it places more emphasis on the application of this knowledge. Then it becomes important for the candidate to have a calm and analytical approach towards questions, thinking about the best ways to attempt it, and not just approaching it in a conventional way.

     

    Which books/materials did you rely on while preparing?

    I only referred to the study material provided to me by my coaching institution for preparation, as it was more than sufficient to cover all topics.

     

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    Lakhs of people attempt the CAT exam and only a thousand get shortlisted for the interview and secure admission to a top B – School. Which are the prime skills and expertise required to crack the CAT?

    What my experience with CAT tells me is that in the end, what matters is your approach towards the exam, rather than your preparation for it. If you approach it with a calm and rational mind, you will crack it. Since wrong answers carry a negative score, it is very important to be confident of your answers. Questions can be tricky, generally the most obvious (but wrong) answer would be the first option. So you need to analyse a problem from all angles and be sure that you have not missed out on any important information. Also, I have seen many brilliant candidates faring badly in the exam because their nerves got the better side of them. Being calm and confident is thus the key to cracking CAT.

     

    What strategy did you take to crack the interview?

    I got approximately 22 days to prepare for the interview after the shortlist for IIM Ahmedabad came out. It was my first interview for any of the B-schools I had applied to and so I was quite nervous in the initial days. Over the days, however, I put in a lot of effort towards preparation and grew more confident. I read up a lot about the current events happening in the world, as well as our country. I had been reading newspapers regularly for the past couple of months so it was not that difficult. I also brushed up many of the subjects I had studied in Law school with the help of my friends and teachers. My coaching institute mentors also conducted many mock interviews with me, which helped a lot in getting a feeling of the real day.

     

    What kind of questions have you been asked in the interview? Give some tips to nail an interview in order to secure admission to a top B–School.

    For IIM Ahmedabad, the interview lasted around 30-35 minutes. The initial 20 minutes were spent on academic questions. In the very beginning, the interviewers asked me my favourite subjects in college (IPR and Constitutional Law were my answers). The discussion moved from the benefits of IP protection, to the Novartis case and finally to the newly formed NITI Aayog. The latter part of the interview was mostly about current affairs and how comfortable I was with solving a question on probability. There were also some general questions about my family, my taste in literature and movies, and a very unexpected technical question on basketball.

    For other institutes, such as XLRI or other IIM(s), the interviews were again broadly based on academics, current affairs and situational questions. What I feel is that for a B-school interview, firstly you have a decent hold of your academic subjects and world affairs, and secondly, you should be able to convince the interviewers that you are open to learning and will contribute to the institution.

     

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    Which subject interests you the most? Share with our readers.

    IIM Ahmedabad does not have any diversification between different streams. In the first year, all courses are compulsory, with optional courses being offered in the second year. As of now, I find myself interested in Consulting and Marketing.

     

    How is the academic pressure at IIM-A? What is a normal workday like?

    The academic pressure at IIM-A (or any other B-school) is much more intense than at a Law school. Classes here are from 8:45 am to 1:10 pm, five days a week. Most subjects use a case based approach to teaching, so the required cases for each class have to be studied and understood the previous day. Additionally, all the quizzes (tests as they are called here) are surprise quizzes, with a quiz being held one hour post its announcement in the afternoon. There is also work involved if a student is the member of any club or committee. A normal workday essentially involves reaching the class in time, waiting for a quiz announcement at 1:45 pm if any. Then it’s either giving the quiz at 2:45 pm or catching a few hours of sleep if there is no quiz. Evenings can be spent studying, playing or engaged in any other activity. Post dinner it is usually class preparation for the next day. A student cannot miss classes other than for health reasons or on account of some urgent work that requires so.

     

    Tell us a bit about the faculty and the facilities of IIM-A.

    The faculties with whom I have had interactions till now are experts in their respective fields of study, holding post-doctoral degrees. Classes here are interactive, with the faculty putting much emphasis on student participation. In terms of facilities, we have a 24 hour library, sports facilities for all major sports, gymnasia, 5-6 cafes (with room delivery available) in addition to the mess, single occupancy rooms and LAN connectivity in rooms (in addition to WiFi).

     

    Tell us a bit about the cultural environment at IIM-A. Are most of them young students or senior professionals?

    My batch here consists of a heterogeneous mixture of students from all sorts of backgrounds. There are freshers like me, while there are also students with 4-5 years of work experience. In addition to engineers, we have chartered accountants, commerce/ economics graduates and doctors in the batch. There is a healthy representation from almost all the states of the country. This results in a very diverse cultural and professional environment, which in turn greatly amplifies the learning experience of the students.

     

    What all activities can one partake of at IIM-A?

    There is no dearth of activities to take part at IIM-A. It is purely left to the choice of the students. There are clubs focusing on all sorts of activities, ranging from the likes of technology and finance to the likes of music/ movies and stargazing. There are also a lot of competitions in diverse fields of management to take part in. Additionally, students can also volunteer in social initiatives such as Prayaas and SMILE, both of which cater to providing education for underprivileged children.

     

    Where do you want to see yourself five years from now?

    Well, to be unabashedly optimistic, I would like to see myself as a partner of a consulting firm or in the senior management of an FMCG company after five years. However, to be realistic, my life at IIM Ahmedabad has just started and I would like to learn more about the opportunities available, before I decide on a career path.

     

    Would you like to be an entrepreneur after finishing MBA?

    Law and Management is one of the most potent combinations when it comes to economic activities as both are inextricably linked in the larger scheme of running businesses.

    As of now, I have not considered pursuing any entrepreneurial venture. However, IIM Ahmedabad has its very own Centre for Innovation, Incubation and Entrepreneurship which helps students pursue and kickstart their ventures. So in case I do get bitten by the entrepreneurial bug, I would be more than happy to pursue my own venture.

     

    What is your message for Law students who want to choose MBA as a career after pursuing Law?

    In India, MBA after pursuing Law is not very common, and I had had my shares of frowns and weird looks when initially I told people of my decision. Their usual reaction used to be that this kid has gone bonkers, an MBA is not for lawyers. However, I had the full support of my family and friends, who kept me motivated throughout my preparation period.

    I believe that an MBA is a very valuable degree especially for a lawyer, as each and every business is inextricably linked with Law in the larger scheme of things. Leading a business can thus be relatively easier for a person who understands the intricacies of the Law within which the business has to operate. Also, there are hardly any non-engineers and non-commerce students in Indian B-schools. Thus students with a background like Law or medicine are highly valued due to the diverse skill set they bring to the institution. If a person is keen on going to a B-school, he/she should just be sure about it and prepare with confidence. The Law degree will only help in later stages, and never be a hampering factor.

  • Sidhartha Peddinti, Startup Lawyer & Business Consultant at GlobalQuest Ventures LLC, on being a business lawyer and strategy adviser

    Sidhartha Peddinti, Startup Lawyer & Business Consultant at GlobalQuest Ventures LLC, on being a business lawyer and strategy adviser

    Sidhartha Peddinti graduated in Law from University of London through an unique programme through London School of Economics, in 2011. A graduate of Business & Economics from University of Toronto, he is currently a Startup Lawyer & Business Consultant at GlobalQuest Ventures LLC.

    He started working in the Immigration Law Offices of RAK at USA. Thereafter he went on to become partner at California Law Services where he handled immigration and bankruptcy work. He describes himself to be a lawyer with an entrepreneurial mindset.

    In this interview he talks about:

    • His choice to become a lawyer even after specialising in economics;
    • The options for a lawyer to become an entrepreneur;
    • How he joined LSE and his experience at the institution; and
    • His journey as an entrepreneur.

     

    Tell us about yourself. Since when are you living in US? Where did you get your primary education from?

    I am a real international citizen, in that I was born in Dubai, raised all over the Middle East, then spent three years during middle school at an international boarding school called Rishi Valley in India, moved to Toronto with my family in high school, obtained a bachelors degree from Toronto, a law degree from London, and then another advanced law degree from Los Angeles. So, my varied experiences and vastly different background has shaped my mentality, my attitudes, and my interests to be a hybrid of an Indo-Canadian-Middle Eastern, rounded up with an outdoor Californian lifestyle. I have been in the US since 2011, and have been an attorney since the past year and a half, i.e. January 2014.

     

    You did your bachelors in Business & Economics from the prestigious University of Toronto, tell us something about the course, the school and why you choose business & Economics?

    A pivotal moment shaped the way I thought about business and my career was in high school. I read a book called ‘Rich Dad – Poor Dad’ which I bought at a garage sale for $5. It explained the difference between (what the author referred to as the 4 quadrants) employees and self employed persons who fall in quadrants one and two, business owners and investors fell into 3 and 4. 1 & 2 work for their money – they don’t show up to work – they don’t get paid (even most lawyers fall in here – no client, no money). 3 and 4 found a way to be involved in multiple avenues and still accumulate wealth, while they are busy doing other things with their time or managing multiple assets they own.

    I wanted to understand more about how I could end up in the sectors 3 and 4 – where I can get my money to work for me, a state where, through my acquired and vested interests in companies, homes, stocks, and other assets, I could receive multiple sources of income. This was the start of my interest into economics, and business – I simply had to understand the way different business models worked, how the market worked, and how to operate a business. After getting accepted into the best University of Toronto – the number 1 University in Canada, it was a real no-brainer that I had to pick this school. It was over 175 years old, and in the top 25 best universities in the world. The courses were very challenging, but it was rewarding to complete the degree and understand how market cycles worked, and how each industry was affected by these cycles.

     

    A degree in Business and Economics is often enough to land anyone lucrative job at a big company. Why did you choose to do Restructuring through CAIRP, and then choose law after that, rather than accounting, finance, investments – the natural course for business majors?

    Good question. Following from the previous question, after I understood the way the different models worked, I knew that there was a recession that was going to affect North America, atleast thats what our Economics Professors were predicting around 2005/2006. I researched this theory and found the bubble was about to burst since everyone had their credit over-extended. Virtually all my friends ended up choosing a big firm for either accounting, audit, strategy, or some for an MBA. I wanted to prove my theory of the recession and be involved in that game of using the market to my advantage I hunted for a boutique law firm that specialized in Bankruptcy law and restructuring law, and choose to join their practice as an Estate Administrator – a job that gave me a brief overview of the process involved. The pay was less than half of what my friends were accepting immediately after graduating, but almost immediately after joining the firm, I started a course, sponsored by the lawyer, in Bankruptcy & Restructuring law & consulting, through the association that monitored Restructuring Professionals in Canada called CAIRP – Canadian Association of Insolvency & Restructuring Professionals. I received my certification to consult in a very short time since I was lucky to finish all my courses and pass the state exam in one sitting. As soon I completed all my practical training, within 6 months of initially joining this industry, I started a firm called Clear Debt Solutions. From 2007 – 2012, I had over 1000 cases that I personally handled, close to 500 being business bankruptcies. The firm still exists and is controlled by partners who I hired when I joined law school in 2009.

     

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    You did your law from London Scool of Economics, through the International Law Program from University of London from 2009-2011. Tell us about your time there, and why you choose that program over Canadian or US schools?

    After being exposed to many lawyers in my restructuring practice, I wanted to add law school to complete my quest to understand more about business and the legality of doing business. I started law school from the UK, rather than in North America, because I wanted to have a unique edge to my portfolio, that separates me from the normal law applicant. I choose the International Law Program specifically, because it was flexible in its timings, its lectures delivery methods, and its study methodology. During these years, my consulting firm was booming, as the recession got worse, my revenue got better, and by mid-2010, I operated 5 locations throughout Toronto. I had a partner, few employees and hundreds of clients every year. I could not leave all this to complete a full time law program, which most Canadian law schools offered (Only 8 in Canada by the way), and which was also required by Immigration for me to attend law school in the US.

    By choosing to study in an International Program, based out of London, yet not being required to physically be present one hundred percent of the time, allowed me to work and study simultaneously – something that enhanced my understanding of the subject matter, while being able to practically utilize and gain ‘lawyerly skills’ through my practice in Toronto. Sure, it was hectic, since I flew back and forth, balancing school and work in two continents. I simply could not let either of them go. Of course, the fact that it was University of London, one of the best schools in world had a lot to do with it, and when they offered me an entire law degree in under $20,000 (plus still able to work) compared to $150,000 in the US – I could not pass up that offer, and in the end did not rack up a single dollar of student debt as compared to an average law student who has over $150k debt in the US.

     

    Did you interact with Indian students there, given that UK law schools are a popular choice among Indian law students?

    I met some incredible students who were also part of the international program. In fact, it allowed me to network with students from almost 50 countries directly through a portal system, something I checked out before I started the program, and many of those people are still my close friends to this day, in Canada, India, Pakistan, and even from Brasil and other countries. The pass rate at the International Law Program was roughly 25% after the 3rd year, so unfortunately many of the Indian students I met did not manage to complete the program, or moved on from law into other areas.

     

    With your LLM from Southwestern University, USA, you have received legal training from three countries. In what ways has this versatile academic environment helped you?

    To remain true to my original quest of being in quadrant 3 and 4 – business owner and an investor, I knew that the opportunity for this dream truly existed in the US, compared to Canada or the UK (from a global standpoint). So, while finishing law school from London in 2010, I applied to LLM programs all over Canada and the US for the 2011 Fall start session. I knew that the market was slowly starting to pick up now, and in a few years the market would be in the re-building stages again. I wanted to be in the center of this movement, and by being in California – the world’s hub for innovation and technology, I could not go wrong being a lawyer and entrepreneur in California. I was lucky enough to be accepted into all the schools I applied to, and they even allowed me to start the LLM program before my final grades were released from University of London. It was a miracle, since the administrators office at Southwestern made this exception for the first time for a foreign student in over 100 years. In two weeks of starting, I received my grades, and another miracle happened where I was in the 15% of students who passed all the courses that year, thus getting my degree after I had already started working towards a LLM degree.

    I picked Southwestern in Los Angeles because it was a school that had a flexible course options, and one that allowed me to complete the courses that I wanted to take. My eventual strategy was to attempt the dreadful California bar exam with 15% pass rate for foreign lawyers, and I knew I had to be prepared for it, since I am competing with local students with 3 years or legal training, compared to only 1 year for me.

     

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    You never took a job at BIGLAW while you do have an impressive lawyerly profile. Why so?

    My interests, skills, and passion lies in entrepreneurship. I choose to do law to become a lawyer, but more importantly to become a good businessman. I believe that it has allowed me to think in a manner that is different from the lay person. I did not take up any positions at large firms because I believed that I have a unique skill set that would be wasted at a large firm, doing routine work, albeit they pay a lot for it. Many of my friends work a large firms, and making large paychecks, but the very thought of a desk job never appealed to me, and I have rejected some very lucrative offers in the last year, since I prefer to be out and about, running around making things happen. I am a very high energy individual who needs to constantly be in motion, and although for some of my friends BIGLAW has worked out great, it was never my cup of tea.

     

    The California Bar is said to be the hardest law exam in North America with less than 15% pass rates for foreign trained lawyers over the past 30 years. Explain why you choose to do this crazy step, given these statistics?

    I knew the statistics and I knew the high chances of failure. No one thought I could make this happen, since there are horror stories all over the web of people failing the California Bar 5 or 6 times. I thoroughly researched about every course I was expected to take, and by carefully selecting only Bar Courses, and some international law (my interest) courses in my LL.M, I was able to complete all core courses required by Californian law students that were going to be tested on the Bar. This allowed me to get the local training I needed for those courses, plus having international exposure. I nevertheless decided to take the bar and give it a shot, and luckily I was among the 22% of LL.M students that passed the Bar in my round of the California Bar Exam for July 2013.

     

    Before we go into your entrepreneurship ventures, tell us about your legal consultancy work. How did you establish such a vibrant consultancy practice?

    In my quest to be in quadrant 3 and 4, I engraved in my personal charter that I would understand different business models, so that I would eventually have various companies in my own portfolio. This is still my mission, and every time I meet an entrepreneur in a different industry, one unknown to me, I gladly take on the case to understand the industry better.

    I had this mentality since I started my first business, and I have enjoyed every business I have consulted with. Thus, my present consulting practice is one that can cater to clients from many industries, and clients from all stages of the business cycle. I now understand how these different models work, and am easily able to put myself in the shoes of my client, the entrepreneur, and advice, strategize, and legalize – all in one chain of thought. It is a lot of work, since I spend the time to research about different industries, but I suppose I am hooked to it. This has left me at the crossroads of law and entrepreneur.

     

    How is Canada or US as a career choice for Indian law students?

    Canada is a great place for Indian lawyers – especially those in the midst of their careers. The process of qualification and the exams are easier, with almost a 80% pass rate. In my opinion, it is great for an entrepreneurial lawyer, especially one who wants to serve the Indian community – especially in Criminal, Real Estate, or Divorces. Litigation is primarily taken up by local law students – Indian or otherwise, and largely dominated by those who received local training.

    US is a different beast altogether. The laws are also similar to British, but the legal ecosystem is very different. The bar is tougher, longer, and more intense. There are a lot of restrictions and qualifications the applicant has to go through. That said, a US lawyer is valued globally, and opens far more international doors than I would had as a Canadian lawyer in the international and startup up space. There are a lot of jobs in the US, especially for litigators, since the laws are geared towards solving grievances in court. There is also a lot more work for lawyers in the US, in terms of the types of law, the types of cases, and the truly unique legal system they have created here (I find a vast contrast from the Canadian and British legal culture). So, be ready to get comfortable knowing about the local culture, if you want to be a successful American lawyer in the US.

     

    Why did you make the shift from Canada to the US?

    My move was primarily because of two reasons: (i) large opportunity to be involved in the upswing of the economy in terms of products, startups, and opportunities; (ii) great weather compared to the bitter Canadian winters.

    I have always wanted to be involved in the globalization of economies, and being in California was more suited to my needs than to accomplish that from Toronto. However, since I have a consulting practice in Toronto, I still fly there often and work there.

     

    In the US you started working at Immigration Law Offices of the RAK. How is the work culture there and did the local reference help you understand the culture better?

    In my attempt to find out the local work culture and integrate into local legal scene, I decided to work for a solo lawyer, plus he knew immigration laws, so I did not really have to pay a hefty price for an immigration lawyer to figure out my visa. To understand immigration laws in the US is very important, it is the most complex system in the world, and a simple violation can be disastrous. I figured by working for an Immigration lawyer, I could hit three birds with one stone – (a) local work experience, training, and integration; (b) learning about immigration laws; and (c) did not have to pay for an immigration lawyer since he mentored me to fill my own paperwork which I wanted to get a grip on anyway.

     

    You were a partner California Law Services and worked there for a year. Where are you currently working, what kind of work do you do there?

    I worked as an Immigration and Bankruptcy lawyer with my previous employer, RAK, turned partner at the new firm. We mainly handled immigration and bankruptcy work, both which were areas I had some comfort with. I found both areas to be very competitive, and faced fierce competition. Meanwhile, my personal interests in entrepreneurship were not being fulfilled, so post my return from India last December to explore the startup scene, I joined as a partner at a boutique firm which was focused on law, entrepreneurship and startups.

    I currently work as a partner at GlobeQuest Ventures, LLC – as the name indicates, we travel the world looking for startups and companies to help them in their entrepreneurial journeys – legally, strategically, and practically. I absolutely love it – and finally have been able to combine my passion of law and entrepreneurship in one.

     

    Please tell our readers something about your entrepreneurship journey, and how you lived your 20’s working and studying?

    As I mentioned earlier, reading that book changed my career path. I was getting the education and theory side of it, but I also wanted to work on the practical side of it. I started my first business as soon as I finished the book in high school, aged around 18 or so. I have never looked back, and have been fortunate enough to have made that step at such an early age. I had some sacrifices along the way, but I see those as opportunity costs, and have not regretted any missed vacations, or parties (missed many of them). I made sure to have a very vibrant social when I could and led an active lifestyle to compensate from the stress from my business and school. Sports was my way of balancing myself, and I enjoyed playing 5 different competitive sports in my 20’s.

     

    How many companies in total have you founded?

    I have been fortunate to be part of 8 different companies to date. I have recently acquired equity portions in 3 new companies, and hope to be part of another 100 companies in the next 20 years or so.

     

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    How do you define yourself, as a Lawyer or as an entrepreneur?

    A lawyer with an entrepreneurial mindset. My dream of combining both my passions has led to work in a dual capacity – working as a lawyer when needed, or as a founder, partner, strategic advisor, or in-house lawyer. I value flexibility and adaptability greatly, and my past experiences that allowed me to transition into role with relative ease.

     

    Tell us something about your latest startup venture.

    Through GlobalQuest Ventures, LLC, my recent clients have primarily been disruptive technologies that are in the mobile app space. One is a disruptive journalism app, another is a Uber for private planes, and another is a revolutionary dating site for a selected and elite customer.

    Another venture I started is called LLMbartutoring.com, a tutoring school that is dedicated to helping foreign trained lawyers integrate into the California system by assisting in local cultural transition, job training, course assistance, Application help and California Bar Exam training. This information can also be found in my personal ventures section on my webpage.

    On the other side, I started working on some revolutionary product lines with some very famous scientists, who specialize in holistic medical formulations. I have approached some celebrities and famous television personalities to team up with us, and can possibly secure a very large deal in the next 2 months that can help us potentially move millions of units every year. That would satisfy my itch to be a co-founder in a truly non-legal business – a turmeric infused skin care line, scientifically backed and tested by the foremost expert in turmeric infusions.

     

    Your website sidharthapeddinti.com seems to be offering a complete ecosystem of service for startups. How did you manage to that?

    By finding a way to incorporate all my interests in one way through GlobalQuest Ventures, LLC, I decided to put all my thoughts on one site, that describes me as a person, as a lawyer, an entrepreneur and eventually as an investor (with my portfolio). Thank you for mentioning my page, since I built that page myself in less than a day. I have no previous computer training, programming or coding or any other backend experience, but I knew that by watching the right videos and reading the right articles, I could do it myself. I have since created 5 webpages, and even got some people asking me for a referral for the company who created my site. In short, I want to prove and inspire people to understand that anything can be done, with the right mindset, and if a non-tech person like myself can make wesites in a day, others can live their dreams and make it happen over night as well. That was the real motivation for the site – inspiring people to live their dreams by quitting their boring jobs as a first step.

     

    Are you also working with any Indian companies who are looking to expand internationally?

    I have started to form many strategic partnerships with corporate lawyers, startups consultants, and other individuals who are involved in the Indian startup scene. I am eager to enter the Indian startup space and help take those companies international – US, Canada or other countries. We look to form strategic alliances, joint ventures, mergers, acquisitions, and even where lucky, take it public.

    I am looking to team up with key individuals in India who can help me in this quest. That is the reason my company is called GlobalQuest Ventures, LLC – where law meets entreprenrurship and strategy.

     

    What advise will you give to young lawyers who want to become an entrepreneur?

    I find the practice of law requires a different set of entrepreneurial skills than a mobile app company or a revolutionary product. Being part of an elite subset of society, one that is highly regulated and controlled (worldwide), lawyers have to follow certain protocols that other entrepreneurs may not necessarily face, especially relating to contacting potential clients, or advertising standards, or types of deals that one can take one.

    Thus, solo lawyers who want to hang their own shingles should think like a lawyer first, and only after taking all the protective measures, one should engage in their targeted marketing campaigns. So, it’s a unique type of an entrepreneur who should expect 3-5 years, at a minimum, to start realizing the resulting they imagine. I know a lot of lawyers, and virtually every single highly successful lawyer that I know, has been practicing for at least 5 years. So, there is no way to get around patience.

  • Gitanjali Ghosh, Assistant Professor, NLU, Assam, on LLM at NLSIU, academics and teaching as a career

    Gitanjali Ghosh, Assistant Professor, NLU, Assam, on LLM at NLSIU, academics and teaching as a career

    Gitanjali Ghosh graduated from North Eastern Hill University (NEHU), Shillong (2013). In law school she has interned with NHRC and was adjudged as the best Mooter at Henry Dunant Moot Court Competition. In 2014, Gitanjali completed her LL.M from NLSIU, Bangalore and has joined NLU-Assam as faculty. Along with teaching, Gitanjali is pursuing her Ph.D from NLSIU.

    In this interview she talks about:

    • Law school experience at NEHU.
    • LL.M from NLSIU, Bangalore.
    • Internships, mooting and her dream to opt teaching as a career.

     

    How would you introduce yourself? Tell us a bit about your pre-college years. What motivated you to study law?

    I hail from a town called Mangaldoi in the state of Assam. I finished my schooling from Don Bosco High School in my two and +2 from Cotton College in Guwahati. I went on to pursue B.A. LL.B. (Hons) from NEHU, Shillong and LL.M. from NLSIU, Bengaluru. Currently, I am also registered as a Ph.D. Scholar at NLSIU. Professionally speaking, I would like to introduce myself as an Assistant Professor of Law at the National Law University, Assam where I am also associated with the Centre for Child Rights. I am a very simple, family loving and God-fearing person. I have my fair share of undesirable traits but in all I try to be a good person. I was good at academics right since my ABCD days but I thoroughly enjoyed my school days, despite all the pressure of doing well in Board exams to getting into whatever it was that I wished to pursue, thanks to my friends. I was not great at sports but I did pretty well at cultural events.

    Studying law, I would say, must be due to pure genetics (my parents are lawyers). On a serious note, I always wanted to be a teacher, never a lawyer or a judge or anything else for that matter.As I grew up, my inclination towards pursuing law followed by a career in academics was but natural. Honestly, there is no particular thing that I can pinpoint as my motivation.

     

    How would you describe your time at NEHU? Tell us about the academic environment and faculty at the law department of the University.

    I had a wonderful time at NEHU as well as the city it is situated in i.e. Shillong. You have to be there to understand why. It is truly the ‘Scotland of the East’. We were the fourth batch to be enrolled in the Department of Law, NEHU and in many ways, we were better off than our seniors in terms of infrastructure, hostels, teachers, library etc. However, we had our fair share of difficulties as well. The academic environment at NEHU is not as hectic as we see at law schools but a lot of effort is put into by a majority of the faculty members in ensuring that the students learn law and are clear with the basic concepts.

     

    Did you take part in extracurricular activities? How important do you think that extra-curricular activities are to a law student?

    I believe, in today’s world, where recruitment is largely based on one’s curriculum vitae, extracurricular activities are very important for any student. Apart from this, as the saying goes, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy (law-related extracurricular activities are everything but play). Also, extracurricular activities help one in gaining confidence as well as exposure.

    During my preliminary years, I did not have any information about the scope available to a law student, which readily resulted in my lack of inclination towards these activities. Hence, I spent a lot of time on my academic endeavours. My primary objective was to do well in my studies (I was the gold medallist of my batch) and most importantly, learn the basics of as many papers as I could and be thorough with the papers I wished to pursue further (it is not possible to learn every paper thoroughly). However, with the coming of Internet into my life or should I say with the learning of its proper use, things changed (it was difficult to get even phone signals during my initial years at NEHU). I don’t have a long list of activities that I participated in but I participated in the Henry Dunant Memorial Moot Court Competition where I was adjudged the ‘Best Advocate’ and our team was ranked 5th (a big thanks to our teacher who guided us and my dear teammates).

     

    Do you believe that excellent CGPA is absolutely necessary for success?

    It may not be absolutely necessary but its importance cannot be negated at the same time. A decent CGPA gives the much-needed boost to those students who may not be the toppers of their class but do well in other extracurricular activities.

     

    What were your areas of interest during your graduation? How did you go about developing expertise and knowledge in these areas?

    International law and human rights are two areas for which I have nurtured great interest ever since I was pursuing B.A. LL.B. (Hons.). I went on to pursue LL.M. in Human Rights and currently, I am engaged with the teaching of these subjects as well. The only way of developing your knowledge and expertise in any subject is to simply read, read and read.

     

    Did you do any internship during your graduation? Did you receive any assistance from your college?

    Apart from the regular internships with advocates, I interned with the National Human Rights Commission, New Delhi where I won the Best Intern prize.It was a great experience. Department of Law, NEHU did not have any policy to assist students with their internships but the faculty members were kind enough to right letters of recommendation and help in any other manner within their power.

     

    What do you have to say about the supposed ‘elite’ tag attached to certain law schools? Do you believe branding of college is something that’s very relevant/ important at any stage in a law student’s career?

    I don’t think ‘elite’ is the right word to describe these institutions because they were not born elite. Both the faculty and the students of these institutions have made several efforts to bring name and fame to these institutions.

    Given the scenario in today’s time, the brand name of one’s college has indeed attained a position of relevance in a student’s career. While students from renowned colleges are automatically presumed to be good at what they do, students from the not so renowned colleges have to put in a lot of effort to be able to create such presumption in their favour.

     

    When and how did you decide to pursue Masters? Was it a professional requirement or an endeavour out of academic interests?

    I had decided to do pursue Masters even before I joined Bachelors as I had made up my mind at a very young age to become a teacher, although I was not very sure of the subject. When I joined B.A. LL.B., it was only a question of time before I went ahead with Masters towards the fulfillment of my long cherished aim of becoming a teacher. You can call it a professional choice made on the basis of my academic interests.

     

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    You have done your LL.M. from NLSIU, Bangalore. Can you please share your experience at NLSIU? How will you compare the environment at NLSIU with that of NEHU?

    I met some of the finest teachers, students and made some friends for life at NLSIU.Also, NLSIU gave me my first job as a Researcher at the Centre for Women and the Law. One year LL.M. was undoubtedly hectic and it gets over even before you think it has started but it was,although draining at times, an enriching experience. I am still associated with NLSIU as a Ph.D. Scholar.

    Asking me to compare the pedagogy of NLSIU and NEHU are akin to asking someone to differentiate between their two eyes as both are my alma mater.  It may not be actually fair to compare the two given the fact that they are majorly different from each other and represent two different kinds of institutions i.e. one being a National Law School and the other a traditional university.

     

    Looking back, how significant do you think that your legal education was? When did you happen to experience the learning curve?

    Well, I am still a student of law but the legal education I have pursued until now has been quite fruitful in terms of both learning as well as career. However, the main significance of my legal education lies in the fact that I have not lost my interest in it and indeed, have found areas of law, which I am quite interested in pursuing further. Further, with my Ph.D. thesis, I wish to contribute to the largely unexplored field of tribal customary laws and with my teaching, I wish to help students to not only learn but also to retain their interest in learning law.

    I really cannot pinpoint a certain point of time or situation when I experienced the learning curve. It has been a continuous process, I believe right since I started studying law.

     

    When did you exactly decide to take up teaching as your profession? Has it become easier or more difficult for you to understand the psyche of young students in this process of teaching?

    As I have already said, I always wanted to become a teacher.  I cannot recall the exact time I made this decision but as far as I remember, I have always considered teaching as my profession and nothing else. Given the fact that I was myself a student not two months back and that most of my students are my brothers’ age, it has been very easy for me to understand the psyche of my students.

     

    Please tell us about your experience with regard to your first year of work as a PhD scholar at NLSIU? What kind of researches you were entrusted with?

    Well it has not been a year since I registered for Ph.D. at NLSIU but in this period of time, I have had an enriching experience in my many roles as a Research Scholar, a Teaching Assistant as well as a Researcher at the Centre for Women and the Law at NLSIU. Also, given the fact that I was the youngest in the class, I learnt a lot from my fellow scholars during our course work.

    As a Research Scholar, the only research one is required to do is on the topic chosen for writing the thesis. However, the Course work requires one to study Research Methodology and Computer Applications as well.

     

    Please tell us about the requisite soft skills which are essential for a young teacher to build a successful career?

    Apart from a thorough knowledge of the subject that one is entrusted to teach, being humble and humane towards one’s students is of utmost importance. A teacher should always give due regard to the fact that she/he was also once a student and no matter how many years pass, there are certain issues which are common to the students at all times and those need to be addressed humbly and patiently.

     

    Do you feel that there are differences between students of ‘elite’ law schools and students from other law colleges and traditional universities?

    Students are same everywhere but the opportunities available to them make all the difference. I have studied at an elite law school and also at a traditional university. I do not know about others but I could definitely perceive a change in my life. While at NEHU, I had to tell people what NEHU is (That’s ok) but where is NEHU (Shillong? Where’s that? This was frustrating. Geography and G.K. are probably not well taught these days at school). However, these questions disappeared with NLSIU (what a relief). On a more serious note, there is a common misconception among students from traditional universities that law school students are better than them (I too had this misconception) and even among law school students whose law schools are not ranked higher in the law school rank lists and owing to this misconception, they suffer from lack of confidence. In short, opportunities and confidence are the two major differences.

     

    What are your views on the future of Indian legal education? How would you suggest that a law student manages to stay ahead?

    Indian legal education has a bright future ahead but sadly, for only those who can afford the top-most institutions. There are many a good students who will loose a lot owing to this unfortunate situation but that does not mean that they should be discouraged from taking up law. CLAT is not the only way to success although it might seem to be the easiest.

    Going by my own experience, a law student should be informed and thanks to the technological advances, she/he no more requires the college notice board for this purpose. Information is power.

     

    If you could list out 3 activities which on a scale of priority, should be at the top in any law student’s school-life, what would those be?

    Make friends for life (it has nothing to do with law but will help you survive law school and life)

    Concentrate on Academics

    Writing research papers and extracurricular (as per one’s interest and capability)

     

    What would be your advice to young law students? How do you think that they should approach their career?

    Have a lot of fun while at law school but take care not to jeopardize your academic and extracurricular interests in the process. As clichéd as it may sound, but, sincerity and hard work are the essential requisites for an amazing career (a bit of good luck as well).

     

  • Jaya Kumar, Business Development Manager, J. Sagar Associates, on an unique work experience of Marketing+Law

    Jaya Kumar, Business Development Manager, J. Sagar Associates, on an unique work experience of Marketing+Law

    Jaya Kumar started out as a graduate of English Honours from Sophia College, Mumbai, then moving on to pursue a three-year law from G. J. Advani Law College, Mumbai, from 2005-2008. She decided to take an unconventional path of choosing Marketing over being a legal Associate, by first working with Rainmaker, then Trilegal, further moving on to I&S Associates, a corporate-commercial Indian law firm. She has now been working as a Business Development (BD) – Manager at J. Sagar Associates (JSA) since 2014.

    In this interview, she tells us about:

    • The experience of interning throughout the last two years of law college;
    • The reason behind choosing the managerial aspects of law over the more traditional ones of corporate law or litigation;
    • The experience of having worked for such different kind of firms, along with the different work profile she dealt with for each;
    • Her work as a Business Development Manager.

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers who are young lawyers and law students?

    I would call myself a lawyer by qualification, currently working as Business Development (BD) – Manager at J. Sagar Associates (JSA). I do understand law, but my interest is more on the marketing side of law. I have completed my English Majors from Sophia College, Mumbai, then proceeding to pursue a three-year law from G. J. Advani Law College, Mumbai.

    I started my career with Rainmaker, followed by Trilegal, then a stint at I&S Associates, and now at JSA.

     

    What prompted you to study law after completing your English Honours?

    I wanted to be a journalist, but as things planned out, I never got accepted in any journalism college, haha! My father kept telling me to opt for law, but I nevertheless reserved it as a backup plan. Thus I didn’t bother to make any serious efforts to apply in all the law colleges. I got accepted in G.J. Advani, and also since I am the third generation lawyer in the family, I opted for law as a career. However, I had no idea about the BD aspect of law. My internship at Rainmaker helped me to understand the details of marketing/ BD in the legal industry.  It was a new concept for me, and it sounded different and interesting.

     

    You are a graduate of the 3 years LL.B course from G. J. Advani Law College. Please tell us a little about your law school days. What kind of internships did you do?

    I was doing two internships simultaneously during the law college days (starting from the second year), one with a senior lawyer, Ms. Neelofar Akhtar at a Family Court, and the second one with Rainmaker, founded and co-founded by Mr. Sachin Malhan, Mr. Bhavin Patel and Mr. Ritvik Lukose, and they had just started developing products for the legal industry. My college timings were from 6: 30 am till 11: 30 am. I used to then go to the Family Court till 3: 00 pm, and thereafter to Rainmaker. I was trying to absorb as much as I could, in those two years.

     

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    What were your areas of interest during your graduation? How did you go about developing expertise and knowledge in these areas?

    As I mentioned earlier about my two internships, I was most interested in practical knowledge. Law for me was vast and strange till the first year, but by the second year, it started making sense in terms of both the theory and the marketing bit of the industry, because of the internships.

     

    Did you find that your law school education had prepared you sufficiently for the many tasks you were required to execute during your internships and later at your job?

    A law college only teaches you the theory part of the law, and not the aspect of marketing yourself or the firm, but I took it as a new curve in my growth, and learnt the unusual. Also, because I chose a different stream of work in the legal fraternity, I had more need of the practical aspect of the field of law, rather than the theory. Ironically, I never interned in any law firm, but I learnt on the job with Vahura, Trilegal, I&S Associates, and now JSA.

     

    Right after graduation, you joined Rainmaker as an Associate in their Sales and Marketing Department. What prompted you to choose the field of Marketing? How did you secure your appointment at Rainmaker?

    I applied directly to Rainmaker for an internship, and it all started from there. By my second year of college, I realised that if I put in more efforts, I can be a good marketing professional. After my internship, I decided to join Rainmaker as an employee, and started handling the Sales and Marketing for the Western India.

     

    What comprised your work in the Sales and Marketing Department as an Associate? What were the responsibilities you were entrusted with?

    At Rainmaker, we were developing products for law students and lawyers, especially litigating lawyers, and also people interested in LPOs. It involved travelling and meeting law schools, litigating lawyers and budding lawyers for whom joining LPOs was a good career option.

     

    Why have you chosen this particular avenue of Marketing and Business Development, and why not legal practice at a Corporate Law Firm?

    At my stint at Rainmaker, which is also a recruiting company for lawyers, I had not come across anyone doing BD as a full time job. After Rainmaker, I joined Trilegal and realised this is what I like, and because it was a different kind of work in the industry, I believed that the value of this kind of work will have more avenues once the market opens for international firms. At Trilegal, I had an opportunity to work with Allen & Overy (A&O), when the firms had a referral relationship. It was very exciting to work in that setup, and it made my decision stronger to do BD for a law firm, rather than provide a legal opinion, or do transactions.

     

     

    What led to your recruitment at Trilegal? Tell us about your recruitment process at Trilegal to our readers.

    When I was looking to move from Rainmaker, my mentor’s (at Rainmaker) wife was doing BD at Trilegal, and she was looking for a junior, as Trilegal was looking to build a BD team at the firm. He recommended my name to her. Mr. Karan Singh then interviewed me, and as I had some experience in sales and marketing, I was taken on board. I was lucky to work at Trilegal.

     

    Our readers would like to know about your work profile as an Associate of Business Development in a Top-tier law firm in India.

    As a BD professional, I am involved in the indirect marketing of the firm by assisting in the visibility of the firm. I assist the partners and the firm, as a whole, to maintain their presence in the market. Sector tapping and industry intelligence is another part of my job, along with helping the firm market itself, both nationally and internationally.

     

    What kind of Business Development skills should one require working in a Top-tier law firm like Trilegal?

    No law school or MBA school can teach you marketing in a legal firm, but the most important thing that one should have is the will to learn and take a risk of doing something different from the peers. Be it Trilegal or any other law firm, at a starting point, one should research well  on things such as what BD of a legal firm actually means, why a law firm is not allowed to market themselves, and what the difference between a direct and an indirect marketing is. Knowing some law helps, but even if you don’t have a law degree, you can still join the BD team. These skills can only be learnt on the job, but if BD is what one wants to be a part of, one has to be a people’s person, along with having a good hold on the language.

     

    You have worked with Trilegal [Mumbai office] for nearly 2 years and 5 months, as an Associate of Business Development of the firm. Share your work experience in brief to our readers. Was the work schedule hectic at times?

    Trilegal was the first law firm I worked at. My practical learning of BD at a law firm started then. I was lucky to work at Trilegal, and at a time when they had a referral relationship with A&O, it broadened my platform of learning. I did put in long hours, as I was new to the concept of BD, and I really wanted to understand and learn this side of the legal sector. Trilegal was very supportive.

     

    How did you start working at I&S Associates?

    I wanted to start growing as a professional and start implementing BD strategies, rather than only execute them. A friend who knew about an opening in I&S helped me get an interview slot there, and hence the job.

     

    You have worked with I&S Associates as a Head of the Strategy and Relationship segment. Tell us about your work experience at I&S Associates.

    I&S was a small firm founded by Ms. Anuradha Iyer and Ms. Bakhtiar Sunavala,and it gave me a way to start implementing my ideas. The partners were very cooperative and understanding about the new concept of BD. I was in I&S for two years.

     

    Currently, you are working as a Business Development Manager of J. Sagar Associates. How did you secure your appointment at J. Sagar Associates? Did you get an offer from the firm?

    JSA Mumbai was looking for someone who can do BD for their firm, and my name was recommended by Ms. Anuradha Iyer to Mr. Akshay Chudasama, who was looking to expand the BD team, and he then interviewed me. I then met Mr. Berjis Desai and Ms. Dina Wadia for the final confirmation. I was fortunate that they offered me the BD – Manager position.

     

    How difficult would you say it is, changing workplaces and creating a comfort zone all over again?

    With experience, it’s just a matter of time about how professional you are to be able adjust in a new place. One has to understand the culture of the firm, and take baby steps to make their mark. In my view, it’s not difficult to create a comfort zone all over again if the person is willing to learn. There are adjustments in any new place, but we have to learn to gel and focus on the growth, and other things will fall into place.

     

    Kindly walk us through your role at JSA. How different is it being a Business Development Manager from an Attorney?

    As the BD – Manager of the firm, I assist the firm in sustaining their visibility in the market. My role is to assist the partners and the firm as a whole, to develop new client relationship and strengthen the existing client relationships that we have. I help with the client events, deal submissions, cross – selling, proposals and pitches, attending conferences and also helping the partners to attend the relevant conferences/ seminars, rebranding, market intelligence and sector tapping, help the attorneys network etc.

     

    What are the main qualities that one should acquire to be successful in the Business Development field? Please share with our readers.

    Patience is the key to be successful, and as there are no specific courses or graphs that one can follow, it takes time to get the grip of the type of role a BD person needs to do. Also as attorneys are mostly busy with the deals, a BD person needs to follow up, not once, not twice, but several times, to get the information from them, and then send it out to the public domain. This needs patience, and an understanding that BD is important, but delivery to the client is also important for the partners and attorneys. As they juggle between everything, all they need is our support to market what they work on.

     

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    How is your experience so far? What is your workday like? Are there new challenges every day or did work fall into a predictable pattern?

    My experience has been very good till date. I am fortunate to have worked with the best since I started my journey. As all of us know that with lawyers nothing is predictable, and thus, most days are filled with some or the other kind of work. The category of work may be similar, but different clients have different demands. I am informed of these demands by the attorneys, and then I have to customise the research and information. Challenges are there, but with JSA being a very supportive and cooperative firm, work gets on time.

     

    What would be your parting message to law students who want to be successful in the Business Development field, and want to work as a BD Manager in a top-tier law firm like you?

    Nothing comes easy, so remember to have patience, and do not shy away from the hard work. As a BD professional, you will be the odd one out in the firm, but let that work in your favour, rather than making you feel lost. BD is an important function of the firm, so put your best foot forward to understand which firm requires what kind of BD, since some will need aggressive marketing, while some only need their visibility to be sustained.  Do your research on the firm and the partners of the firm well.

    Choose the right firms, but always choose the learning before anything.

  • Nandan Kamath, Founder, LawNK, on building an illustrious career in Sports Law and IPR and being a Rhodes Scholar

    Nandan Kamath, Founder, LawNK, on building an illustrious career in Sports Law and IPR and being a Rhodes Scholar

    Nandan Kamath traded his dream of being a professional cricketer for a life in law, and since then, there has been no looking back for him. A graduate of National Law School of India University (NLSIU) in the year 2000, Nandan has been a recipient of the Rhodes Scholarship. After completing his BCL in Law and M.Sc. in Economic & Social History from Balliol College, University of Oxford in 2002, he went on to pursue his Masters in Harvard Law School.Soon after graduating in 2003, he joined as an Associate with Davis Polk & Wardwell, where he worked for three years. On returning to India, he founded his own law firm, The Law Offices of Nandan Kamath (Law NK), which is one of the leading law firms in the country in the field of Sports, Media, Technology and IPR Laws.

    With this interview, he opens up to students about:

    • The importance of hard work, dedication and discipline in the field of law;
    • His dual Masters in law from Oxford University and Harvard University;
    • His experience of working at an international law firm;
    • Working in close connection to a field close to his heart – Sports

     

    You are a law graduate from NLSIU, what motivated you to pursue Law, especially from NLSIU?

    I was a law student by chance, rather than by design.  In my teenage years, I was a sportsman first, and a student next.  I had my eyes set on a professional career in cricket, and chose my pre-university college purely on the strength of its cricket team.  The first time I heard of NLSIU was when they sent a volleyball team to participate in our college sports festival, and I remember seeing the players’ jerseys and only thinking, at the time,that N-L-S-I-U was quite an odd jumble of letters put together. The next introduction to the law school was when the college cricket team I was on, ended up playing against (and beating) the NLSIU team. As thoughts of needing a proper college degree began to loom, I heard from a classmate about the NLSIU entrance test. Being interested in word games, puzzles and logic, I thought it would be an interesting experience for its own sake. I looked over a couple of past test papers the night before the exam, took it, and surprised myself by making it through. Although things were certainly not as competitive then as they are now, getting through the entrance exam convinced me that I might have some aptitude for the law. At least the examiners thought so!

     

    Tell us about your time at NLSIU, what were your career plans after graduation?

    Life at NLSIU didn’t get off to a particularly auspicious start. Dr. Menon made it very clear at my entrance interview that I had to choose to either pursue cricket or law studies (but not both), as the institution only had space for full-time students with strict attendance requirements.  In the pre-IPL days, the odds were stacked against making a career out of cricket, so it wasn’t really much of a choice. Having made that trade-off, I put my head down and took my academics quite seriously for the first time in my life. It seemed like the right thing to do – to make full use of the opportunity if, in order to pursue it, I had given up something I was good at and enjoyed.  I found that the institution was an excellent place to become aware of various national and international issues.The regularity of project work and exams enforced a level of discipline which I was quite happy to adopt. At the same time, it was quite challenging, in various ways, to be at an institution with students from all over the country, each asserting and debating different identities, perspectives and ways of thinking. It gave me a broad and useful platform in the study of law and people in general.  I also met some of the smartest people I know during my five years there. In terms of career plans, I was fortunate to be selected for the Rhodes Scholarship at the beginning of my final year, so my immediate plans were made for me.

     

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    After Graduation you went on to pursue BCL from Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Please tell us about the course and your time at Oxford.

    The BCL was a very rigorous, jurisprudence oriented course, and the academic standards were very high. I did courses on intellectual property and transnational commercial laws.  The perspective was very different, with the focus being on why laws are the way they are and how they have come to be, rather than the descriptive study of the law I had been used to. It needed a fair bit of adjustment to think more analytically and to have an opinion and a view on the law, rather than being required to know what it was. In my second year at Oxford, I did my Masters in economic and social history with a focus on the history of networks and technologies, and found it very interesting. Overall, my time at Oxford was idyllic with a great mix of sports, social and academic activities.  I met an internationally diverse group of people during my time there, each person with multiple interests and skills.  My time at Oxford broadened my perspective and my horizons, both socially and academically.

     

    You did not end your academic streak at Oxford, but went further and pursued LL.M from Harvard. What was it like to get into, and study at Harvard Law School?

    I applied to Harvard Law School after having completed my BCL, so that probably strengthened my application. Being at Harvard Law School after two years at Oxford involved moving from a multi-disciplinary social setting, to the company of hundreds of highly-charged law graduates,most of whom had never stood second at anything they had done. It was a very competitive environment and not particularly easy going. Nonetheless, I found the LL.M. was very helpful as preparation for law practice.The weekly reading load was huge, and overall, the courses were intense and challenging (befitting the atmosphere). I found the analytical frameworks used by the teachers quite fascinating and very practically relevant, whether it was the economic analysis of law, legal realism, or anything else. It gave me a new lens to look at the law with, and added nuance and process to my thought process.

     

    How do your dual Masters in Law help you in your current work profile? Do you plan to go for any further studies?

    I believe that one’s law studies and degrees are only as valuable as the lawyer they produce. My studies have certainly given me a lot in terms of perspective, ways of thinking and analysis, and that is very valuable.Other than that, I don’t think the tags of being from a particular university help me that much in the work I do, other than perhaps leading to a (rebuttable!) presumption that I am not completely inept.  As for further studies, I think the phase of my life involving formal academic study is probably behind me –I can’t really see myself going back to the classroom, exams and dissertations. But I’ll never say never – I may just surprise myself if something really excites me.

     

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    Given your academic record, were you ever interested in pursuing an academic career?

    I do enjoy teaching a few classes here and there, alongside my law practice. However, pursuing an academic career was never on my agenda.  I didn’t feel I had either the intellectual firepower, or the patience required to master an area of law sufficiently to teach it repeatedly, consistently and engagingly.

     

    After your LL.M from Harvard you joined Davis Polk, a global law firm.How did you get recruited there?

    I had met one of the senior partners of the firm during an internship in Mumbai at ICICI Bank,while still in law school, and had managed to stay in touch. A few years later, when I finished at Harvard Law School, I got back in touch, was called for an interview and made it through the process. It wasn’t a very hot job market at the time and I consider myself very lucky to have got the opportunity.

     

    What is it like to work in a big and global law firm?Please tell us something about the kind of work you did there.

    I worked for three years at the California office of Davis Polk in the intellectual property and global technology group.  The work involved intellectual property and corporate advisory, especially in relation to mergers and acquisitions, and capital markets transactions.  It was the perfect first job for me.  It was challenging both substantively and in terms of work hours and it forced me to up my game, and push my limits. I found a number of mentors among the partners there.  The importance of attention to detail, personal responsibility for (and pride in) work product and client orientation were my main takeaways. I also saw that it is possible to create an open, friendly and informal work environment without compromise on work product and quality standards.

     

    You left Davis Polk after three years, what were your reasons to do so?

    When I started my studies abroad, I had set myself a target of being back in India in 5-6 years.  The end of this period also coincided with some plateauing in my learning and it was becoming clear that the big law firm trajectory was not the best one for me. I left Davis Polk after a brief stint in Hong Kong and Mumbai,and moved back to my hometown Bangalore, where I wanted to live and work.  I didn’t have a specific work plan but was happy to put down roots and figure things out.

     

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    You set up LawNK – The Law Offices of Nandan Kamath after you left Davis Polk, what was the motivation behind going independent?

    My father is a Chartered Accountant who started his own practice from scratch, worked hard, and succeeded off his own steam.  Watching him from close quarters helped me recognise the many advantages of independence.  It also inspired me to chart my own course, without too much fear or doubt coming into the picture.  Having the opportunity to choose what I was going to work on was a big luxury, and I was determined to work in an area I loved – sport.  With a view of working on sports law, I went about meeting a number of athletes, coaches and others working in the nascent sports industry.

    Every one of them made it quite clear that there was little value a lawyer could add at that point, given the lack of structure and professionalism in the field.  That feedback temporarily set back my plans to establish a sports law practice. I involved myself in other ventures in sport and athlete representation, which gave me a ground level view of issues Indian athletes were facing and the state of play overall.  Over time, I started getting requests for legal assistance from others who were making their way in sport business and I began advising them as a sole practitioner.  The game changer came in 2008 with the IPL. The professionalization of sports through the league brought sports contracts into the mainstream in India.  This is when things took flight, and the firm has grown organically since then.

     

    LawNK – The Law Offices of Nandan Kamath specialises in Sports, Media, Technology and IPR Laws.How did you build your client base, especially since you spent your formative years outside the country?

    Over the years, our clients have found us rather than the other way around. A well-defined focus in terms of practice areas, and a team that is knowledgeable and passionate about the work, are our greatest strengths.The client base has built through word of mouth, and it is not something I have ever actively worried about. We focus on our work, and know that interesting work will find us when the time is ripe and the opportunity is right.

     

    You are also a Trustee at GoSports Foundation.Tell us a bit about it and your role therein?

    GoSports Foundation (www.gosports.in) is a non-profit that I co-founded in 2008. The organisation’s vision is to empower young athletes and enable them to achieve their Olympic and Paralympic dreams. Being quite aware of the state of Indian sports, we started GoSports Foundation to contribute our bit to the growth of an athlete-centric sports ecosystem in non-cricket sports. Our quest is to bring professionalism and positivity into athletes’ journeys and to ride with them through ups and downs, providing financial support, mentorship, access to expertise and career advice. As Managing Trustee, I play an active role in the administration of the organisation, and support the executive team wherever needed in the programmes. It also provides me the opportunity to work with our Board of Advisors, which comprises of Abhinav Bindra, Rahul Dravid and P. Gopichand, in thinking about Indian sport and making meaningful interventions.  It is work that I love and an organisation I am proud being a part of.  I have met fascinating people along the way, and my work with GoSports Foundation has opened doors to a wide variety of experiences – from hosting a TV sports show, to designing national talent support schemes, working with childhood heroes, being on selection panels and drafting state sports policies. While it is often challenging work and requires lots of self-belief, I have received far more from it than I have given.

     

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    Who form your clientele? Could you please share with us any representation you are particularly proud of having worked on?

    Our sports practice advises a wide range of governing bodies, franchises, players and sports brands.  Cricket and football have been the primary disciplines but we are now seeing more in tennis, badminton and golf, and the new professional leagues are also mushrooming. Other areas of our special focus have been advertising and marketing laws, e-commerce, privacy, food and beverages law, and medical law. I am particularly proud of our team for being empanelled by the ICC as the official law firm for the Cricket World Cup hosted in India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in 2011. It was a great honour and privilege, and watching India win the finals was the icing on the cake!

     

    Do you think playing sports has helped you as a lawyer?

    I have always believed that playing serious sport is excellent preparation for professional life. With the benefit of many years of experience now, I think this is even more so for the law.  Competitive sport provides early exposure to the adversarial process.  It also requires one to make real-time decisions based on dynamic, unstructured data –which is only possible to do competently if you have prepared thoroughly, and practised hard.  All this is not too different from law practice! Also, sport teaches you that although it is primarily your own individual pursuit, you are almost always playing in a context – representing someone or something else (a team, institution or even a country). Similarly, it is a client and/or a cause that makes one an advocate, and that is always good perspective to carry. Finally, you learn from sport that you are only as good as your last innings, but I’m going to ignore that for now because my last one was a duck.

     

    Many of our readers would be interested in having a career in sports law and representing celebrity sport stars. What would be your advice to them?

    If it is truly a substantive area that you are interested in, it is a field worth investing time and energy into.  The glory and glamour fade away quite quickly, so it is important to have the right motivations – that will help you stick it out through the early days and mature and stay passionate about and interested in the work.  Other than that, the best advice I got as a young lawyer was to become a good lawyer first before attempting to add any prefixes (such as ‘sports’ lawyer), and to focus first on learning the tools of the profession – in transactional law, that includes things like client communication, drafting, time management, multi-tasking,organisation, attention to detail, and finding one’s own methods and practices.  If you have built a strong practice toolkit, adding new substantive areas to the repertoire is actually not that difficult.  Sports law is not rocket science and it is an interest that can be pursued at any point by a skilled lawyer.

     

    What do you look for when you hire lawyers to work with you?

    We look for self-motivated young lawyers who have also demonstrated their interest in our practice areas.  Our firm has graduates from NLSIU, NALSAR, Symbiosis, ILS, GNLU and NUJS, so it is quite a diverse set.  A few have come through our internship process, which is a good outcome for all concerned.  I am very proud of the lawyers in our firm, and have enjoyed seeing them grow steadily as professionals.  From what I see, today’s young law graduates are better trained and prepared than I was when I finished law school.

     

    Do you provide for internship opportunities? Where should a law student apply if he/she wants exposure in sports law?

    Yes, we do have an internship programme.  We accept only one or two interns at a time to make the experience meaningful, so spots are limited.  It is a chance to give law students exposure to the types of work we do, and our work environment. There is an online form (http://www.lawnk.com/home/) that interested applicants can complete for more information on the process.

     

    It is a dream to work in the subject we love for most of us. What do you have to say to those who didn’t end up doing what they love the most?

    As one steadily moves up Maslow’s hierarchy of needs (I told you that NLSIU left a lasting impact!), beyond security and the need for external recognition and validation, I feel that the journey ends up becoming about two things – the pursuit of mastery and the pursuit of engagement.  Mastery brings the joy of excellence; engagement brings the joy of working on things one cares about.  It is only the lucky few whose pursuit of both mastery and engagement unify in their daily work, or even converge on a regular basis for that matter. I feel the rest of us must remain open to tapping different and diverse outlets and sources if we are to simultaneously experience both of these pursuits.  For whatever reason, not everyone might get engagement with things one loves at the workplace. But it is still possible to find an outlet for this, maybe through hobbies, volunteer work or even by innovating within the limitations of the workplace.  Life is too short and you are already very fortunate if you know what you truly love!

     

    What would be your parting message for our readers?

    Have a clear career plan in mind, but leave enough room for chance to play its part. Also, stay open to being inspired.

  • Nagarjun Matangi, Legal Counsel, Hewlett-Packard India, on the HP OGC programme and work experience

    Nagarjun Matangi, Legal Counsel, Hewlett-Packard India, on the HP OGC programme and work experience

    Nagarjun Matangi graduated in law from NLSIU, Bangalore in 2011. As a student he was the Recipient of Vice Chancellor’s Gold Medal for “Outstanding Personal Achievement” and he was also the Vice President of Student Bar Association in the year 2009-10.

    During his final year Hewlett-Packard (HP) had launched the Graduate Attorney Program in India and reached out to colleges – Nagarjun was among the two students who got selected from NLSIU (4 in total) as part their campus recruitment drive.

    Since then Nagarjun has been working at Hewlett-Packard as a legal counsellor. His role includes a combination of Commercial Transaction support plus providing support for General Legal matters.

    In this interview with Nagarjun we talk about:

    • His college years as a part of NLSIU
    • Planning his internships in his college years
    • Starting work as a legal counsellor of Hewlett-Packard
    • The HP India OGC Internship Program and the qualities they lookout for
    • The legal department at HP

     

    What made you gravitate towards the study of law at NLS? Was it planned or just a matter of chance?

    It was completely unplanned and was an interesting turn of events. I hail from Andhra Pradesh where the choice is usually limited between Engineering and Medicine and I had never been able to fully decide upon my choice of stream. I spent seven years in Sainik School Korukonda which was a feeder institution to the National Defence Academy, but was for some reason inclined to remain a civilian. I could never get over the confusion as I had managed to secure a seat in institutions meant for completely different streams – IIT, Architecture and Law.

    I chose Law primarily to overcome the stereotype of options that I observed around me and that turned out to be a truly rewarding choice of a lifetime.

     

    What were your areas of interest during your graduation? How did you go about developing expertise and knowledge in these areas?

    When you end up in law school by accident, you get excited and interested at everything that is introduced to you. I was very fascinated with Tax, Constitution and Family laws. However, what truly interested me were the Commercial Contracts and the difference that a crafty draftsman can make to the Contract. I used to try and pick up associated matters in my internship to understand how the Courts dealt with the interpretation of complex commercial clauses in a contract and I also used to select Seminar Courses that offer practical knowledge on these aspects. One would be surprised as to how much more this area of practice can offer beyond what is taught in classroom.

     

    What do you have to say about mooting at law school and legal writing for journals? Are these helpful even after the student graduates?

    I admit not having given much attention to either of these activities during law school; but it wasn’t something I had to regret. However, now that I am better informed, if I had an option to revisit my time as a law student, I would definitely make use of these options for they aid in developing essential skillsets at a very nascent stage. It would remain useful even after graduation.

     

    Did you plan out your internships throughout law school or did it all just happen by chance? What role did the placement committee play in securing internships?

    One of the pitfalls of accidentally ending up at law school, is that one would lack the requisite awareness about legal internships and how to plan them. Thanks to my seniors and friends at NLS, I could fill up this gap before it was far too late. This is also a reason why most of my internships were at trial and High Courts. While I did learn a great deal from my internships at these Courts, someone interested in a corporate profile would have prioritized and planned their internships a little differently.

    It is essential for the fresh students to be educated at the option generally available through formal sessions that can be organized by the student body itself. Else, it could be too late before the batch can have its Placement Committee set-up.

    Our Placement Committee played a great role in providing wider options and facilitating the selection process for these internships. Most students get introduced to formal In-house or law firm internships thru the Placement Committee.

     

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    You have been working at Hewlett-Packard as legal counsel since your graduation. How did your appointment take place? Please tell us about the recruitment process at Hewlett-Packard.

    HP was implementing the Graduate Attorney Program in India for the first time in 2011 and had reached out to NLS and a couple of other colleges for this selection. This program was part of the Talent Factory initiative of HP’s Office of the General Counsel (OGC) which focuses on Making Talent internally rather than Taking Talent from outside the organization. The selection process involved two rounds of interviews, one each with the then Country Counsel of HP India and also with the regional Deputy General Counsel who had come down from Singapore for this purpose. This program is a regular feature in HP US and was being introduced in India only on a pilot basis. However, there is certainly a lot of enthusiasm and positive vibe around it here and it should not be long before we reach out to the colleges in India for implementing round 2 of this program again here.

    That said, general recruitments at In-house legal teams, unlike law firms is strictly based on openings that may come up. It involves a combination of factors like the timing of the opening, the role and experience requirements sought for such opening, etc.

     

    Tell us what your typical work day is like. What is the role of an in-house counsel at Hewlett-Packard? What are your primary responsibilities?

    For most of us on HP’s Legal Team (OGC) in India, our role is a combination of Commercial Transaction Support plus providing support for General Legal matters. As part of transactional support, we are involved in drafting, reviewing and negotiating contracts concerning provision of various aspects of the Information Technology portfolio (services/software/hardware/cloud). This involves a lot of collaboration with the respective teams to understand the nature of IT solution being offered by HP, the risk associated, advising on mitigation strategies etc.

    A good amount of my day is spent in meetings of this nature with various stakeholders of the contracting/tendering process as well as those involved in offering the solution. These are essentially my internal clients. Contract negotiations are the part I keenly look forward to and one gets to learn a great deal from these negotiations.

    General legal matters include Data Privacy, Taxation (limited), Litigation Support, Commercial Disputes, Internal business advisory, Competition law etc. (new and interesting issues keep coming up for reference and the same may not fall into any particular bucket of practice). These cannot be further detailed.

    Being a large MNC with diverse operations, guidance is sought from the legal team on numerous legal matters associated with the day to day functioning. Litigations and Consumer matters also form part of the portfolio of the legal team at HP. In addition to the same the team also needs to proactively align the business with the changing regulatory requirements and provide trainings as well as prepare suitable policies to guide all employees.

     

    How is the legal department organized at HP?

    HP India OGC is primarily segregated into teams that support a particular Business Unit of the Company. Various portfolios of the IT sector as handled by the respective Business Units. At the same time, the teams are not segregated into water tight compartmentalized structures. For example, today I may be primarily supporting the Printing and Personal Systems division of the company, but I can always extend support to the transactions involving Software licensing. This helps us diversify our experience in all portfolios that the IT industry has to offer, especially since HP’s operations extend into all these portfolios.

    Other countries in our region (Asia-Pacific-Japan) have similar team structures and the entire region reports into the Deputy General Counsel for APJ. The DGCs of all regions across the world finally report into the General Counsel based at our HQ in Palo Alto.

     

    What is the basic difference that you see between a lawyer and an in-house counsel? What do you think is the biggest challenge for an in-house counsel?

    The basic differentiating factor lies in our association with our clientele and the purpose of such association. While a lawyer will put forth the existing position of law before the client, the role of an in-house counsel goes a mile beyond and is required to show the path of compliance with the ever changing dynamic laws and ensure it is in line with the ultimate business objectives.

    As in-house counsels, we need to be conscious of the fact that our business teams are our primary clients and instead of throwing fancy jargons or weighty case names, our responses should be simpler and more comprehensible to our clients who do not necessarily have a legal background. And when the response is a NO, we must be capable of showing the path of compliance to make it a YES. This is both a primary function as well as the biggest challenge to do well as an in-house counsel.

    Particularly, at HP, we are encouraged to focus on innovating upon the existing processes to make them Simpler and Better. It is a constant endeavour and a great linking factor of all attorneys that are part of the worldwide OGC team – to make it matter!

     

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    Tell us more about the HP India OGC Internship Program. How can one apply for an internship at HP? What qualities do they look for in an intern?

    Our internship program is yet another extended arm of our Talent Factory initiative. Very few would disagree when I say that most internships that we have experienced only use our existing skillset and one cannot always claim to have learnt a new skillset with which you can walk away upon completion of the internship.

    While designing our 4 week internship program we made a conscious effort to ensure that the intern is able to walk out with a completely new skillset acquired during the internship. We have created a detailed training-cum-working program where a lot of emphasis is laid on first training the intern around the work we do through a dedicated mentor assigned to each of the interns. Virtual classroom sessions are taken up by our attorneys from different locations on designated fields of our operation (IT Contracts, compliance programs, Privacy, IPR, Corporate, Consumer laws, etc.). Primary emphasis is laid in educating the interns of our contracting process, stakeholders involved, our preferred contractual positions and their rationale, etc.

    If it were left to me, I would term it nothing short of a seminar course on Applied IT Contracting!

    We currently have two slots each year – Jan/Feb and June/July; and we accommodate a maximum of two interns per slot. We reach out to select colleges thru their respective placement committees in order to carry out the application process.

    Applicants are evaluated on the basis of their – Covering Letters + CV followed by a Telephonic Interview (for shortlisted applicants) and their response to a sample query. At all stages, the applicants are assessed on their clarity of thought and simplicity of expression.

     

    Lastly, what would be your message to our readers who are mainly young lawyers and law students?

    Student life, especially to law students, offers certain learning opportunities which are available only when we are still a student. There is no way we can go back and catch that bus. So do ensure that you work out your priorities and avail them so as to have minimal regrets later on.

    To the young lawyers – it is always an added advantage if you are able to think beyond the black and white letters and are able to apply your own judgement. This will require an understanding of the commercial and business implications of your advice which can be acquired only with your conscious effort. A plain legalese advice is no advice if it cannot reap tangible benefits or cannot be understood by the client.

  • Sudhir Mishra, Founder & Managing Partner, Trust Legal, on building an illustrious career in Environmental Law

    Sudhir Mishra, Founder & Managing Partner, Trust Legal, on building an illustrious career in Environmental Law

    Sudhir Mishra completed his graduation in History from Deshbandhu College, Delhi University. Thereafter in 1998, he finished his degree in Law from Campus Law Centre, Delhi University. Soon after graduation, he started his own law firm, Trust Legal, which specialises in environmental, health, financial services, securitisation, banking, oil and gas law practice, as well as alternative dispute resolution.

    In this interview, he speaks about:

    • Choosing a niche area such as Environment Law for specialisation
    • Starting his own full service law firm right after graduation
    • His most memorable transactions in Environment and Corporate Law

     

    How would you introduce yourself to our readers, who are young and aspiring lawyers?

    I am a first generation lawyer who was always very sure about one thing – that I will not join any law firm, but will start on my own. It was in the year 1998, when I plunged into the legal profession with all my belief, that one day this country will take note of me.

     

    What made you decide to have a career in law?

    I did not decide – it happened by accident and destiny. I was interviewed for IAS in 1998 and failed to clear it, and then was forced to a large extent by my father, who was a serving IAS officer, to take law as a career.

     

    What made you decide to become an independent legal professional, rather than joining a senior lawyer or law firm at the beginning of your career?

    As in 1998 there were very few law firms and I was already twenty eight (28) years of age, I had a lot of reluctance in undertaking prolonged training and working as a junior in a law office. I had great interest in environmental issues, and during my training with Ms. Pinki Anand, Senior Advocate and now Additional Solicitor General (ASG), I was very confident about kick starting my own practice, rather than being part of somebody else’s setup. I took everyday as a challenge, setup a small office at home and started visiting NGOs working in the field of Environmental Law. Somehow, there was a deep feeling inside me that I will succeed as a lawyer, which propelled and fuelled my ambition of being on my own. In three years’ time, by 2001, I was retained by close to five National and International NGO’s and was also working for Government Undertakings and lot of private companies. It was a time of excitement, uncertainty and thrill, and I loved every moment of it.

     

    What made you choose Environmental Law? Please tell us your experiences that made you focus your practice in environmental law.

    I was attracted to Environmental Law because there were very few lawyers involved in this field, and I had a great liking for environmental issues, most specifically Wildlife and Conservation.

     

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    Please tell us about the most memorable environmental law petitions you have litigated on.

    The two most important petitions which I followed and argued on Environmental Law have been:

    1. Stopping the road which was passing through the Jim Corbett Tiger Reserve, before the Supreme Court, and
    2. Stopping a wet land (World Bank Drainage) project, for the protection of Sarus Cranes, before the Allahabad High Court.

     

    Also, what have been your most memorable environmental law transactions on the corporate side?

    My most memorable environmental law transaction on the corporate side has been in helping the largest FDI in a tourism project for setting up a Ski Village in Manali (Himachal Pradesh), wherein I managed the Environment Impact Assessment (EIA), Environmental Clearance issues (EC) and Environmental Management Plans, by engaging with The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI) and Indian Institute of Forest Management (IIFM).

     

    What did you find appealing about working on your own?

    It’s like being a daily wage earner, who is a master of his own fate. Life is so uncertain that securing a career and a settled and a protected life is too boring.

     

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    From an independent legal practice to forming and running the boutique law firm Trust Legal – how challenging was your journey?

    I was left with little options, since the country had been acknowledging me as a prolific Environmental lawyer by 2003-2004. Infact, I went for the International Visitors Leadership Programme (IVLP 2005) organised by the US Government, owing to my pioneer work in Environmental Law in India. However, big commercial success was more a need and necessity for social recognition. I was married in 1999 to Mamta Tiwari, who became a Partner in Fox Mandal in the year 2001, and was regularly being voted amongst the top 20 Dispute Resolution Lawyers in Chambers & Partners, Legal 500, etc.

    Comparisons  started to happen, and it was very important for me to ensure that environmental law would pay just as well. We created the firm Trust Legal with that philosophy, and today we are the leading law firm representing all kinds of companies in India and abroad on Environment and Health law practice. Infact, Healthcare has become a bigger and major practice area of the firm, with Trust Legal representing more than 30 hospital groups across the country in litigation and corporate advisory. The firm is also very active in the field of Real Estate & Infrastructure, Oil and Gas and Banking & Finance law practice.

     

    What is your role as the Managing Partner of Trust Legal? What are the challenging and stressful aspects of managing and running a firm?

    As the Managing Partner of the firm, I encourage my team to think as entrepreneurs. My job is to ensure that the business of the firm is moving in the positive direction, salaries are paid on time, talented people are encouraged, along with ensuring the emotional and physical well-being of lawyers. There is nothing stressful in managing a law firm as a lead Partner, since your entire day is filled with excitement, and a sense of purpose and duty.

     

    What do you want to say to the next generation lawyers? Which are the growing areas of law where a new law student or young lawyer can focus and distinguish himself/ herself?

    I suggest that each lawyer should follow his/her own dreams, by assessing his/her own interest area, and then working accordingly. I believe that apart from environment; health, infrastructure, commercial litigation will also be  new big areas to focus on.

     

    Tell us about your early education, your place of graduation, your place for learning law and your experiences during student years.

    My early education was in a place called Siwan in Bihar, where most of my classes upto class 10th were conducted under a tree, as the school building was very depleted. I did my 10+2 from an even smaller town called Bankain Bihar, where my father was posted, and then I moved to Delhi University. I did my graduation from Deshbandhu College in History, and Law from Campus Law Centre, Delhi University. Most of my education upto class 12th was supervised by my father at home, who used to teach me personally, and there was a great emphasis on reading newspapers, books, autobiography and magazines from a very early age of my life. In my college and law school, my personality was greatly decided and shaped by my friends who all are well accomplished in their respective careers.

     

    Whom are you influenced by? Who is your role model?

    I am influenced by my father S.K. Misra (Ex IAS officer Bihar Cadre) and my role model is my cousin sister Sonal Mishra (IAS officer Gujarat Cadre). My father taught me that with confidence and integrity, anything is achievable. My sister Sonal taught me the spirit of hard work, determination and aiming very high. Her success in IAS in 1997 fuelled in me a desire to make a very big career in law.

     

    These days, most young law students look towards corporate law. What is your take on that?

    As I said earlier, one should not go by what everybody else is doing – the idea is to create your own destiny, your own line, your own fate, your own league. One should follow one’s instincts and never settle for something ordinary, or for quick returns. One should remember that it’s a long life and success should remain a guiding factor in your fifties and sixties, so the decision which you take in your twenties should not ruin your old age.

     

    What do you see as the future of legal profession? What message would you give to young law students and recent law graduates?

    The future of legal profession is superb, and is undergoing a silent revolution. Hundreds of more law firms will come to cater to increased economic activity within the country.

    My message to young law graduates is to create something new and long-lasting.

     

  • Rahul Bhattacharjee, Attorney – Middle East, Schlumberger, on the role of a Corporate Counsel in an MNC

    Rahul Bhattacharjee, Attorney – Middle East, Schlumberger, on the role of a Corporate Counsel in an MNC

    Rahul Bhattacharjee graduated from West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences (WBNUJS) in the year 2005. He was then recruited by the Development Consultants – Kuljian Group, where he worked for two and a half years. He then moved onto be an in-house counsel with Khadim India Ltd., where he again worked for two and a half years. He then went on to join the Legal Counsel team of DSM India, however, after a short stint of seven months, he finally shifted to his current job with Schlumberger. After working at both the Delhi and Mumbai offices, with a PQE of ten years Rahul has been now promoted to the post of an Attorney – Middle East and works out of the Dubai office currently.

    In this interview, he tells students about:

    • The importance of the Cumulative Grade Points Average (CGPA)
    • Making career choices when opportunities arise
    • What the work of an in-house counsel is like
    • The advantages of joining an in-house counsel team

     

    How would you like to introduce yourself to our readers? Please share your academic and professional background.

    I would like to introduce myself as an in-house lawyer who views his role as a business enabler. I have always worked in-house in companies, and through my experience of just over a decade now, have realised that one’s understanding of the business and its operations is of the utmost importance. I completed my degree in law from NUJS in 2005, and was privileged to be a member of the first graduating batch from that institution. The followings questions would cover my career progression.

     

    Tell us a bit about your childhood, your hometown and your pre-graduate life as well.

    This one is a bit tricky!! My father was employed with the State Bank of India, and he had a transferable job. Hence, by the time I had finished my Standard VIII, I had studied in 4 different schools, having been through 5 transfers. Thereafter, in 1996. my parents took the tough call of settling the family in Kolkata without my father joining us; he ultimately got a transfer to Kolkata only in 2001-2002 (i.e. after I had joined NUJS). Hence, I cannot call any particular town my hometown. However, during the period up to 1996, I had spent the maximum time (9 years) in Bhagalpur, Bihar, and thereafter settled down in Kolkata and studied through Standard IX to XII in a school called Saifee Hall, situated on Park Lane, in the vicinity of Park Street. So currently, I call Kolkata my hometown.

     

    The career of a lawyer in India is still just a backup option for most students. What motivated you to choose law as a career?

    I think the choice of taking up law as a career came more vicariously to me. My elder brother had wished to study law from NLS (he had read about the institute in its early days, but unfortunately, could not prepare for, or take the test himself, for want of information. Would you believe that? Those were the days before the internet). I was luckier than my brother in that respect. His dream kind of passed on to me.

    I always had a knack for argumentative thinking, or so I’d like to believe. Though I have never been a very good public speaker, I did have a knack for clarity and precision in written communication, and so people who mattered, acknowledged me. Somehow, the engineering or medical professions did not appeal much to me. I was a decent student, not great. I did well in the subjects that I liked. Though I had taken up science in my ISC, I was convinced by then that I’d like to do law. The range of career choices that an education in law provides, also helped me in my decision.

    I took the entrance tests for NUJS and NLS, and honestly, without much preparation.  I guess I got lucky getting through NUJS!!

     

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    Kindly acquaint us with your college life and your aspirations in college. What activities were you involved in, apart from the regular academic curriculum?

    Well, my indulgences in the first year in law school were anything but academic. I had a lot of fun with new found friends and freedom. That did take a hit on the CGPA, which did not quite mend dramatically over the next four years, though I did have fun and thoroughly enjoyed. I have no regrets, since I made the best of friends for life.

    It was second year onwards that I paid a little more attention to academics. I think I always did well in subjects that I liked, which typically were those which required more logical thinking and less mugging up. Invariably, the core arts papers were not my cup of tea. Outside the curriculum, I enjoyed research oriented work. I had worked on a couple of projects associated with two of NUJS schools – one involving a research for drafting of the Economic Offence Code (School of Criminal Justice & Administration),and another involving Farmers and Breeders Rights in relation to Valuation of IPR for HYV Seeds (School of Economic & Business Laws).

    I was also an active participant in the activities of the Legal Aid Society, and there I found that unlike my limitations in public speaking, I could act in front of an audience. I participated in some plays for social awareness as an actor.

    I also took keen interest in organising and student affairs. During my days in the University, through the years, I had served as a member of the first Mess Committee responsible for setup of a full-time mess in the hostel, as the Co-convenor of the Library Committee, and as the Secretary to the Student Juridical Association, the NUJS Students’ body.

     

    What kind of internships did you do while you were a student? Are there any remarkable experiences during your internships that shaped your career choices later?

    Interestingly, for a very long time, I had actively contemplated pursuing the career of a litigation lawyer or counsel. I did my internships with the Litigation division of one of the oldest law firms in Kolkata, named Sanderson & Morgans, and in the following years, in the Chambers of Mr. Krishnan Venugopal, (now) Senior Advocate and Mr. Abhrajit Mitra, Advocate. The internship at Sandersons’ was more a passive one, considering I had just finished one year in the university. However, I obtained some first-hand impression about court proceedings, and the procedures involved in litigation. My internships with Mr. Venugopal and Mr. Mitra were more intensive. I researched on issues involved in the highest level litigation at the Supreme Court, Tribunals and the High Courts. Researching on case laws and preparing notes for arguments gave me a real insight into the nuances that play a critical role in the adjudication of matters. These experiences have held me in good stead even in my career, though I eventually did not get into a litigation practice.

     

    How did you fare in your academics at NUJS? How was the academic pressure? Do you believe that excellent CGPA is the key to all success?

    As stated above, my first year’s exploits did not help my academic scores! I ended up with a CGPA which would have placed me somewhere in the middle of my class; all in all, I would like to believe that I was an average, or just above average student. I truly believe the CGPA has hardly any role to play in your professional life. However, I would like to make myself clear here – I do not mean academics have no role. You see, CGPA is not always reflective of one’s academic abilities. One should comprehend the core fundamentals, like the understanding of the legal framework of the country, the basics of laws of contracts or rather commercial laws, which are critical to your survival. When a fresh graduate starts working, no one expects him to know “the law”, but one needs to develop the skill to ask the right question and know where/how to find the answers. The CGPA can help on one front for sure though, that is creating opportunities at the beginning of your career. For the potential head hunters, this is one of the differentiating factors. A good CGPA does imply a student’s commitment, which everyone values.

     

    After graduation, you joined as their Legal Assistant Manager for the Kuljian Group. How did you secure your appointment? How would you describe your experience working there?

    I was interviewed by the Development Consultants – Kuljian Group through an off-campus placement conducted by the NUJS Recruitment Committee. I joined as an entry level lawyer (Executive – Legal) for the group reporting into the Executive Director – Corporate Affairs, who headed the function. It was a steep learning curve. At the beginning it was a slow supervised induction into the matters handled by the department, and thereafter, with experience I got into more independent responsibilities. During my stint there, I was exposed to the drafting and reviewing of a lot of commercial contracts, advising on new business initiatives and handling litigation. This was a foundation of sorts which gave me the perspective about the role of an in-house lawyer. During my tenure, I was promoted to the position of Assistant Manager – Legal.

     

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    Thereafter, you left Kuljian Group and  joined Khadim India Ltd. as a Legal Manager. What prompted this switchover? How did the appointment take place? What comprised your work at Khadims?

    As much as I learned from my first job, there was a sense of stagnation in terms of the range of issues I was handling. There was, of course, the incentive of a monetary benefit associated with a change of job. Khadim’s is a well-known brand in the eastern part of India, and as a business, it is a very profitable and prominent organization. I secured an interview with Khadim’s through their HR function tracking my resume from a job site. The role was very interesting, and offered a mid-level seniority, where I’d have been expected to take responsibilities of actions of others in the team. For a person with about 2.5 years’ experience, this was a good challenge. The monetary terms suited me and I decided to take the plunge.

    The experience at Khadim’s was a really valuable one which shaped my career beyond the learning phase, and took it to the phase of being a performer. The role here was more integrated withthe business. I could see my work product shaping decision making, and that can give you an incomparable sense of satisfaction. I got a lot of exposure in commercial transactions, company law, property transactions, IPR, and capital markets, to name a few. I could also add value to the functioning of the team by contributing to the preparation of SOPs, and standardising commercial agreement templates.

     

    You thereafter left Khadims to start working at DSM India as their Legal Counsel. What prompted you to keep changing your job so frequently? What does DSM do and what was the nature of your work there?

    The two biggest motivators for job changes(and I believe this is largely universal),are one’s quest for increasing and developing one’s skillsets, and the chances to increase one’s remuneration (actual and potential). DSM was the first job I opted for outside my hometown Kolkata. DSM is a multi-national organization, and the role would potentiallyincrease my horizon as a professional to legal issues not yet encountered by me, and also provide me with an exposure to cross-border transactions.

     

    After having worked with DSM for 7 months, you joined Schlumberger– the world’s largest oilfield services company as their Senior Contracts Analyst. How did the switch from DSM take place? Did you get an offer or did you apply for Schlumberger?

    Honestly, I had not expected to leave DSM so soon, and if the opportunity with Schlumberger had not arisen, I might not have. I became aware of the opportunity through a classmate of mine from NUJS, who in turn had come to know of the same thorough someone he knew in Schlumberger. The factors that prompted me to apply for the job were the fact that Oil & Gas is by far one of the world’s largest and most profitable industry, where Schlumberger was a leader in its domain; Schlumberger is renowned across the globe as a truly multi-cultural organization which strives to give its deserving employees an international career, and most importantly, the role was a very focussed role of Contracts. I would like to explain the importance of the role in my deciding to switch job. Unlike many other organizations, Schlumberger has Contracts as an independent sub-function within the Legal Organization, which is focussed on reviewing and negotiating the contracts for the company. With a little over 5 years’ experience behind me, this role offered me a different level of professional expertise in the domain of commercial contracts and negotiation. The role also meant working very closely with the business, thus ensuring closer integration with the organizational goals. I started off in Gurgaon as a Senior Contracts Analyst, taking responsibility for contracts that the company had signed/negotiated with Clients based in the North and North-East of India.

     

    Before moving to Dubai this February, you have worked as a Geomarket Contracts Managerof India, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka at Schlumberger [Mumbai office] for more than one year. What are the responsibilities you were entrusted with during your stint at the Mumbai office?

    After a couple of years in the previous role, I was promoted to the position of Geomarket Contracts Manager, heading the function for the businesses in India, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka. In this role, I led a team of 6 contracts and bid resource persons with the core objective of minimising the operational liabilities and commercial risks for the company in its business contracts. My job involved reviewing tender and contracts terms along with my team, to highlight potential exposures, suggesting changes to those terms, and advising on and participating in negotiations on those terms along with the operations and business verticals.

     

    What led to the shift to Dubai office and this promotion?

    (After moving to Dubai office of Schlumberger, Rahul is working as an Attorney and providing legal support to operations in various countries across the Middle East region.)

    As I had mentioned above, Schlumberger as an organisation believes in providing opportunities for an international career to its employees. Based on my career preferences, performance and company’s business needs, I was offered this position.

     

    Our readers would like to know about your current work profile. Plus, what is a typical workday like at your office?

    The Attorney’s role is to support the Legal Counsels, who head the legal function in the respective business units, and to provide legal support and advice to the company’s management. Unlike the Contracts role, the Legal function cannot be defined by a boundary. My job involves advising the management on various issues on laws ranging from employment and immigration issues to corporate laws, advising on strategic contracts, advisising on IPR related business contract provisions, ensuring ethics compliance, supporting claims and defence of claims (litigation or arbitrations), and compliance with statutory regulations, and so on.

     

    Would you say that the work environment at Schlumberger is significantly different from other companies where you have worked?

    An emphatic yes!!

    Schlumberger is a truly multi-cultural organization with no favouritism on the basis of nationality, at any level of management whatsoever. It’s very usual for one to be working with a group of people having varying nationalities. As an organization, it is not hierarchical in the typical traditional sense, and everyone is given due respect for their individual roles, and also expected to take responsibility for his/her actions.

     

    You have over ten years of experience in Contract Drafting & Negotiation, Contractual Risk Management & Mitigation, General Legal Affairs, R&D, Liaison, Corporate Consulting etc. How would you describe your experience so far?

    Well, no matter what one does in his/her career, it is a never ending learning curve. What I have learnt over the years is that it is critical to be able to judge the business needs of an organization, and you cannot do that without understanding the business operation itself. So, it is essential that you are inquisitive enough to understand that. Further, with the in-house role, unlike as an external counsel (read law firm), you cannot stop at advising. The management expects you to participate in decision making, hence your advice is expected to be a firm one, with clear focus on probable consequences of an action taken by the company based on your advice.

     

    Many people believe that working as an in-house counsel affords more work-life balance and is less demanding. What is your take on this?

    I do not agree that the job requirements in an in-house role and that in a law firm necessitates such a distinction. From my experience, my work-life balance has been fair over the years. There have been occasions where I have had to burn the “midnight oil” for an issue but that is not as frequent as I hear it is in the laws firms in India. I understand the question comes from the perspective of a culture in the Indian law firms where there is an absolute indifference to an individual’s personal space, and often spending an abnormal amount of time in office is something one brags about. That, with all due respect, is neither professional nor healthy. If you look at the trend in the global sphere, the suggestion that you have made in the question, does not hold true. As professionals, you hold utmost importance to the organization that you work for, and your responsibilities and organizational needs at a given point of time determine the time you can take out for yourself and your family. If that balance is lop sided for extended periods of time, that implies inefficiency, personal or organizational, and has direct consequences on the productivity of an individual.

     

    Would you like to work for law firms anytime in future?

    That is something I have not given much thought. Come to think of it, that seems unlikely, owing to the fact that the role in a law firm would require some different skillsets and mindset, than those I have spent 10 years to acquire. Logically, I am a better fit at an in-house role, and that is where my experience would count more.

     

    Last but not the least, what would be your message for law students?

    Primarily, enjoy the experience and build relationships, this is probably your last chance to make friends for a lifetime. Develop the basics on the academic front, since if that helps to push your CGPA, that’s an added premium. Indulge in the co-curricular or extra-curricular activities that interests you, not what makes sense to stitch together a career. How your career will shape depends on a lot of variables that you cannot control, hence enjoying what you are good at will help you build your personalities more than anything. Choose your internships well, you will learn a lot more there than in your classes. Most of all, once you are in the professional world, there are no substitutes for hard work. Have the humility to learn, hunger to know, and drive to deliver.

  • Simar Singh, LAMP Fellow, on all about the LAMP Fellowship

    Simar Singh, LAMP Fellow, on all about the LAMP Fellowship

    Simar Singh studied law from Amity Law School, Centre-II, Noida and has graduated recently. During his years of law school he has interned under Adv. Guru Dutt Sharma who was the Additional Standing Counsel for Government of India in the Dwarka District Court and also Adv. V. K Aggarwal who was also the former Law Secretary. Simar also won the Achiever Award for displaying leadership qualities by the University’s Founder President. He is also a fellow of LAMP (Legislative Assistants to Members of Parliament).

    In this exclusive conversation with Simar, we talk about –

    • His journey through Amity Law School, Noida and the internship experiences.
    • Achieving the Achiever Award for displaying leadership qualities by his University.
    • Receiving a letter of appreciation for efforts and conduct in International Seminar on Global Environment and Disaster Management from Hon’ble Justice U Tha Htay, Judge Supreme court of Myanmar.
    • Being chosen as a LAMP fellow (Legislative Assistants to Members of Parliament).
    • The work performed by a LAMP fellow and the learning acquired from it.

     

    How would you like introduce yourself to our readers who are mostly law aspirants, law students and young lawyers?

    I am Simar Pal Singh. I am a recent Law graduate from Amity Law School, Centre-II, Noida. I am a very passionate reader, especially biographies and autobiographies of different lawyers and eminent jurists. I also like to participate in debates and discussions. I am a LAMP Fellow for year 2015-16.

     

    Tell our readers a bit about your childhood and pre-college life as well as educational background. Do you have lawyers in your family who motivated you to pursue a career in legal field?

    I was born into a family of Government Servants. Both my parents were in the paramilitary force C.R.P.F and therefore my childhood was all about seeing one or the other parent going to a different State away from the family and serving the country. I did my schooling from CRPF Public School, New Delhi. I had always been an average student in academics but was always interested in sports activities. I was in the football team of my school and won many inter school tournaments. I was also a National Level Athlete and represented my school and my State in various sports meets and won many medals in 100 m and 400 m races.

    There were no lawyers in my family but my father did his LLB while working and used to tell us about his subjects. He never pursued law as a career but his talks on law as a subject and its importance in our society did intrigue me. I think this was the trigger which got embedded deep inside me and eventually got activated after my 12th  and that’s why when I decided to pursue a career in law, my parents were very supportive.

     

    What inclined you towards the field of legal education? Can you recall any specific incident that made you choose law as a career?

    After scoring well in my X boards, I took science stream on the advice of my family and teachers who according to the set convention told me to go for engineering. During my 11th and 12th I took coaching for getting into a good engineering college but It is a fact that it was all about just going with the flow and not accessing that whether I was actually interested in becoming an engineer or not.

    After 12th, most of my classmates took admission in engineering, B.Sc., hotel management, etc. I also joined the segment and, after clearing the entrance for Hotel Management got myself admitted in hotel management course in IHM Chandigarh and I think this was my life changing incident. It was my second day in IHM and it suddenly dawned on me that this is not the place where I belong. My parents have served this country all throughout their life and therefore I too have to be in a profession where I can serve the system and the country. This is when I thought of pursuing LLB.

     

    You graduated from Amity Law School, Centre-II, Noida in the year 2015. How would you describe your experience as a student aspiring to be a professional there?

    With no prior family background in law and practice, I would say the initial journey in the law school was little strenuous. When your batch mates know where they will intern and work during their course work and you on the other hand have absolutely no pointer as to how to cover up with them. And since I was from science background, I also had trouble in adapting the writing pattern for my law exams.

    But as it is said, with plethora of problems comes the opportunity to overcome them. One simply has to keep trying. After I realised this, things became much better. I studied hard and not just the prescribed course books but various books by foreign authors to gain insight on a particular subject, various biographies of those famous in our field to acquaint myself with working of the greats and current legal judgments to keep myself updated on the contemporary issues in our field. With sustained hard work and support of college, I was able to grasp on my subjects and do justice to them. It was a long and challenging journey where I started as a complete stranger and ended up discerning the calling for my life.

     

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    How instrumental was Amity Law School, centre-II in shaping up your legal career. Did you grow an interest in policy making in law school itself.

    Since ALS-II was the very first platform of my legal career, I’d say that it had a key role in moulding me and my career. I had very encouraging teachers who were always there to guide me and support me in my choices. I constantly, used to take advice from them which turned out to be invaluable in making career selection. I had commendable batch mates some of whom turned out to be my very good friends and healthy competitors who always strived me to do better. I wouldn’t say that I had an interest in the policy making per say in the college itself because I was completely focussed on law but I always did make an effort to be continuously in touch with the happenings in our country through newspapers and to keep a track on all the news bills that were being introduced as the process was part of our law itself.

     

    Tell us about your experience as a law student at ALS.

    Till my first year, I was also like the others a mere observer, watching activities happening but too nervous to come forward. But from second year I guess I grew into my fears and decided to take a leap towards them. I started participating in various moots and debates, representing my college all over India and before I knew it, I was assigned the responsibility of looking over these activities as the head of various societies. Participating in the various moots was always fun. It used to be like a trip with friends, exploring new colleges and meeting some of the best legal minds from all over the country. I think, public speaking and debating are very important for a student today especially a law student to gain confidence and come out of his shell but it is not the only important thing. I personally know a lot of brilliant law students who never did any mooting but are still very good in their arguments so it depends on the person.

     

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    Tell us a little bit about your internships and work experiences in the law field.

    My first internship was with Advocate Guru Dutt Sharma who was the Additional Standing Counsel for Government of India in the Dwarka District Court. Initially I simply used to observe the court proceedings and eventually I started reading out cases, preparing their briefs and following them up in the hearings. It turned out to be an illuminating experience as I saw the practical side of legal profession for the first time and realized that this was what I meant to do all along. The pleadings, the arguments and the decorum of a court, all of it captivated me and I did my internship with such dedication and enthusiasm that I was offered a part time employment by the Counsel to assist him with the cases which continued for three years of my law college where I saw myself being transformed into an Advocate much before my graduation.

    I also interned with Advocate Dr. V. K Aggarwal who was also the former Law Secretary and had drafted the Arbitration and Conciliation Act, 1996 where I got the first-hand knowledge on arbitration proceedings and their conduct. I observed the proceedings of various arbitrations, prepared briefs on various cases and performed extensive legal research on SEBI Regulations, Telecom Laws and Company Laws. But most importantly, I got the opportunity to gain prodigious knowledge about Arbitration as a subject from V K sir.

     

    Tell us about being awarded the Achiever Award, and your experience with Justice U Tha Htay.

    (Simar has two major achievements namely Achiever Award for displaying leadership qualities by the University’s Founder President in the presence of Hon’ble Chancellor and Vice Chancellor of University and a letter of appreciation for efforts and conduct in International Seminar on Global Environment and Disaster Management from Hon’ble Justice U Tha Htay, Judge Supreme Court of Myanmar.)

    I was deeply obliged with the fact that I was bestowed with that award and that my University thought I was worthy of it. After all the great learning, valuable mentors in the form of teachers, wonderful friends and many good memories, I owe Amity Law School II a lot and this award is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that my efforts and achievements have been supported and honoured by my college. Experience of college is one of the paramount experiences that one goes through life and for me my college journey has been simply astounding.

    My experience with Hon’ble Justice U Tha Htay was extremely enriching and enlightening. I was chosen to represent my University in this seminar and after a personal interaction with all of us, fortunately, the organizers found me competent to assist Hon’ble Justice U Tha Htay during his stay in the conference. I assisted him with his seminar briefs and meeting schedules throughout the seminar after which I was given a souvenir from Myanmar and a Letter of Appreciation for my work from the Hon’ble Justice himself which was a rare and privileged honour for me.

     

    Being a LAMP (Legislative Assistants to Members of Parliament) fellow is a great achievement indeed. What all did you have to do in order to get selected?

    Before answering this I like to share my gratitude to my previous faculty Dr. Sam Abraham. He was the person who pushed me to fill LAMP application and made me believe that I can get through this.

    In order to get selected, I had filled in my form with due diligence and made sure that I stick to the word limit that I was asked for. Once my application was accepted I was called for the personal interview before the panel three experts. For this I made sure that I speak only what I know and remained calm and confident throughout the whole interview even when I did not know the answer to any question.

     

    Tell us about the SoP you submitted for the LAMP fellowship?

    I did not prepare any SoP in advance and had filled my form spontaneously so I don’t have my SoP exactly but in that I had broadly mentioned that as a lawyer we generally see how Courts makes use of our existing laws to deliver justice. Till now I had seen law getting declared, but this fellowship would get me the experience as to how law and legislation is actually born and how the legislature of largest democracy in the world works. Further from this fellowship I intend to get insight the working government mechanism since it is directly responsible to our parliament.

     

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    How does one apply for the LAMP fellowship? Tell our readers about the process, requirements and finally your suggestions to our readers who aspire to become a LAMP fellow?

    To apply for LAMP, one has to be very vigilant. The online application for this fellowship opens around the starting of year and it is open for around 20 -25 days. One can find the link of application on LAMP website. Any person who is of age below 25 years can apply for this fellowship provided he is a graduate. My suggestion to anyone who wants to become a LAMP fellow is that keep your article on policy issue ready in advance. Also keep asking yourself that why you actually want to pursue this fellowship because in the SoP you should write what you actually intend and not what will constitute a right or good answer (There is no good or right answer). For interview I would suggest that the aspirant should know what they have written in their application form, few basic knowledge on the structure of parliament and current affairs.

     

    LAMP fellowship provides an excellent opportunity to interact with Legislators at a personal level, and to understand the policy process. What have you learned in your stint as an LAMP fellow?

    Well LAMP fellowship has just started and I feel each day is new opportunity to learn and this is the ultimate objective of this fellowship. You learn and experience things which you don’t know and which you can never experience in your normal routine work. I have learned to be more responsible and now I know that unlike the judgmental view, Hon’ble Member of Parliament actually works a lot.

     

    Tell us about working with your MP. What is the experience like? Please tell us about the kind of work a LAMP Fellow is required to do in a typical workday.

    I won’t be able to tell you the name. However the experience has been extremely delightful and knowledgeable. The work of LAMP fellow is nowhere strictly defined or codified. He is there to assist his Hon’ble Member for the work related to parliamentary affairs. In a typical day when Parliament is in session, he has to go through around 6-7 newspapers for getting updates on current affairs of country. He has to read each of the documents tabled in parliament and then prepare briefs about them. Further he draft’s starred, unstarred and supplementary questions for his allotted Hon’ble member which could be asked to the government. Preparation of Private Member bill and researching on topics on which the Hon’ble member has to speak in parliament is also the part of the job.

    The work is slightly different when parliament is not in session. Here the work is mostly related to research for the policy issues which your member is interested in, attending various conferences, seminar, committee meetings etc.

     

    Do you have any plans to pursue higher education in the future?

    Yes I am planning to pursue my higher education from a foreign university after the completion of this fellowship, most likely in the public policy.

     

    Is there any message you would like to share with our readers?

    My only message to all would that do whatever you like with utmost sincerity. There is not just one path that is right as prescribed and you don’t have to follow what others are doing. In fact, most of the times, the path that is less travelled often leads to the most fulfilling and fruitful journey.

     

    Finally tell us in which specific role you would like to see yourself the role of a lawyer, policymaker or a reformist of the society we live in.

    Well why not in all three. I would love to keep my roots as a lawyer first and then I wish to contribute my experience in policy making. I believe if I can discharge my previous mentioned roles honestly then surely the third role of reformist will get fulfilled itself.

     

  • Sudhir Reddy, Founder, Reddy & Reddy Advocates & Legal Consultants, on LL.M from Cardiff and Mediation course from Oxford

    Sudhir Reddy, Founder, Reddy & Reddy Advocates & Legal Consultants, on LL.M from Cardiff and Mediation course from Oxford

    Sudhir Reddy graduated in LL.B from DES Law College, Pune University in 2009, after which he pursued his Masters from Cardiff University, United Kingdom. After completing his degree in Masters he worked in a law firm called Thodur Law Associates as an Associate Advocate. He also pursued a course of Civil/Commercial Mediation from Oxford and became an Accredited Mediator in 2014. At present, he operates his own law firm which has a practice of both litigation and corporate work.

    In this interview we talk about –

    • Choosing International Commercial Law as his specialization for LL.M
    • Pursuing a course of Civil/Commercial Mediation from Oxford
    • Becoming an Accredited Mediator by 2014
    • Starting his own law firm “Reddy & Reddy Advocates and Legal Consultants”

     

    Given that most of our readers belong to legal fraternity, how would you introduce yourself to them?

    To start with I am a practising advocate mainly practising in the Pune courts and the Mumbai high court. I completed my LLB from Pune University and my LLM from Cardiff University, United Kingdom. I am also a certified civil and commercial mediator .I run my own law firm in Pune which deals with litigation as well as corporate work. However before starting the law firm I did work under senior attorneys at different High Courts so that I could earn some practical experience and confidence to start my own firm. My experience in Law is not just confined to the Domestic laws but I have also gained experience in mediation and negotiations in United Kingdom after completion of International civil and commercial Mediation course from Oxford.

     

    Having done B.Com, what motivated you to choose law as a career? Or did it just happen?

    To tell you guys the truth, my foremost aim was to become a lawyer but being from a business class family I had to learn certain aspects of commerce mainly accounts so that I would be able to put in my efforts in the working of my father’s established business. Also having knowledge in commerce helped me cater to my corporate clients in taking managerial decisions.

     

    As a law graduate of Pune University, have you faced any comparison with NLUs? What would you say to the future graduates of Pune University regarding this?

    I personally feel that these are all pre conceived notions that only the NLUS can provide the needed exposure to its students. Ultimately the laws are the same it’s up to the student how he/she decides on to shape up his/her life. I personally took the needed effort to attend various seminars and small conferences pertaining to law, held during my period at the law school. It’s the knowledge you imbibe that matters which should be practical as well as theoretical knowledge.

     

    What were your areas of interest during your graduation? How did you go about developing expertise and knowledge in these areas?

    As a law student I never wanted to confine myself to any particular area of law. My main aim was to absorb and learn everything which was taught to me during my classes and my internships .But I had always enjoyed negotiating and mediating any disputes and I realised I was good at it because I was always successful in solving a dispute. This made me realise that I had an inclination towards solving disputes in a peaceful and non-stressful manner. I did have keen interest in alternate dispute resolution systems and outside court settlement procedures and so I become a mediator.

     

    What are your thoughts on activities like mooting, debating and publications in journals? What skills do law students acquire by engaging themselves in such activities?

    I have always been of an opinion that in an all-round development of a student activities like mooting, debating play a crucial role. This is where the student develops its confidence and learns legal interpretation .Also these activities will help students in inculcating good research skills. The students also realise what exact field they should be taking up after college after doing these activities.

     

    Right after graduating, you went for LLM. Why did you decide to go for higher studies?

    Going for LLM right after graduation was my game plan since the time I joined my LLB course .My main intention for pursing LLM was to well equip myself with the international legal scenario.UK being a common law country I was sure that this experience will benefit me in expanding the horizons of my legal knowledge internationally .

     

    How did you choose Cardiff University over others? How did you go about choosing a university?

    The main reason to choose Cardiff University was that it is one of the royal charter universities and also one of the well ranked universities in UK. Along with that it had a beautiful campus and an apt course that attracted me to choose this university over others.

     

    Why did you choose International Commercial Law as your specialization for LL.M? What motivated you to pursue your LL.M in International Commercial Law?

    My course comprised of variety of subjects like international banking, competition laws, international corporate governance and World Trade organisation, which were entirely different than the regular curriculum taught to law pursuants in India. Also there was a wide range optional modules we could opt for hence I chose to peruse International Commercial Law.

     

    What advice would you give to people who are trying to decide which area of law to specialise in?

    Do your internships in all the fields. Participate in moots, debate, paper presentations and client counselling competitions. All this will help you understand your weak points and make you sure on what areas of law you like and what kind of practise you are good at.

     

    After completing your Masters, you worked at Thodur Law Associates for an year as an Associate Advocate. How did you secure your appointment? Did you apply or got an offer from the law firm?

    After my LLM I wanted to gain practical experience for getting myself acquainted with the procedural part of a legal proceedings, Thodur Law Associates is a law firm based in Mumbai practising at High Court hence there were larger chances of me getting a vast experience.

    I had gone to Mumbai after I was back from United Kingdom to search for prospective law firms where I could actually gain practical experience. Coincidentally I met the senior partner of the firm, I narrated to him my reason for applying in the said firm, he was very impressed seeing my urge to learn and I was told to join right from the next day at their firm.

     

    How did you overcome your initial jitters in a courtroom full of experienced lawyers and judges? Tell us about the highs and lows.

    I am a supercharged guy since childhood, talking to unknown people, making new friends or being at a new place with new surrounding was never a challenge to me. But I still remember the first time I appeared in front of a judge was at the Bombay High Court. As soon as I stood up to mention the said matter I went blank and stood right in the same position for good one minute without a single word spoken. The judge sort of understood that I have frozen so he sort of covered up for me and told me to come next day.

    And since then till now I have changed tremendously .Now I wait eagerly to appear at the court and to prove my point.

     

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    Thereafter, you have started your own law firm Reddy & Reddy Advocates and Legal Consultants and currently you are the Managing Partner of the firm. What prompted you to make this choice and start your own law firm?

    It’s my father’s confidence in me which gave me the courage to start my own law firm. He has been the backbone of the firm since the day of the inception of Reddy & Reddy, Advocates and Legal Consultants. He has supported me when I needed encouragement and confidence the most. To be frank there were many to discourage but few to encourage. But somehow the voice inside told me to go ahead and prove it that I can do it.

     

    Please tell us a bit about “Reddy & Reddy Advocates and Legal Consultants”. What is a day at work like? Is it easy to have a work-life balance?

    My day at work starts with my morning prayer and then a quick workout. I am in the office quite early because I need to take quick updates about the distribution of the work to the associates for the day. I then go ahead and start with all my client meeting and if I have an argument for the day I take a quick look at the case and have fun leading the argument at the court. There are times when I spend the whole day in the negotiation for my corporate clients but having a remarkable team keeps me relived that my office functioning at its peak. I end my day at office by taking updates from all my associates along with a nice cup of coffee.

     

    Tell us about the practice areas of Reddy and Reddy Advocates and Legal Consultants.

    Reddy and Reddy Advocates and Legal is  Based in Pune, it offers a full range of legal services on all aspects of the Indian law to a diversified client base, including well-known multi-national corporations functioning in India. In addition to serving our clients directly, our lawyers serve as experts of Indian law in both transactional and litigation matters. In particular, the firm has a strong practice group that specializes in mediation and negotiation, credit management, real estate, property & land laws. We are dedicated to our clients’ needs and we strive to achieve total satisfaction for our clients by legal excellence.

     

    Our clients include major Banks, Non-Banking Finance Companies, Real Estate, Multinationals, Industrial Houses, and Software Companies.

    The firm’s lawyers have an average experience of over 5 years in handling complex legal issues touching on almost all aspects of Indian law. We combine a personal approach with high professional standards and aim at providing comprehensive legal services to our individual, corporate, financial and commercial clients.

     

    In the meantime, you have pursued a course of Civil/Commercial Mediation from Oxford and became an Accredited Mediator in 2014. What prompted you to pursue this course and became a certified Mediator?

    Mediation is the next revolution in the legal field. Since our country is evolving in a very fast pace the people of our country want every issue to be resolved as fast as possible. Being a lawyer I have practically seen how burdened the court is with numerous cases. Before going for the course few of my clients had asked me if I knew any commercial mediator and that is when I decided why not me. I looked for few courses and I found the one in Oxford is what suits my requirements perfectly.

    Meditation is already a very upcoming requirement for the multinational companies because they have clients all over the world and solving disputes outside the court is more convenient for them. Mediation is immensely into existence in the European and the western legal system. So it’s always better to do a course on mediation and negotiations it will surely help them in the future.

     

    You have a couple of orders to your credit. Do they change one’s recognition?

    (Sudhir has orders to his credit in criminal litigation, consumer disputes, land disputes, family disputes and outside court settlements in labour and industrial disputes)

    It just makes me want to work even harder because I want to keep my clients always satisfied. My only aim is that when the client agrees to take services from us he/she attains the best of the services which my firm can provide.

    Regarding once recognition, yes it does change the recognition as it shows experience a person has and the dedications the person has put in to get the desired results.

     

    What were the difficulties you faced in the early days of your practice? How difficult would you say it is to build a reputable practice?

    Early days were relaxed and peaceful. I did have work from the day I started my own office but the stress of uncertainty was always there. Although it will be wrong to say that the uncertainty is not present anymore because our firm is still in its growing stage.

    I also want to say that it is quite difficult to build a reputation and then harder to maintain it, one really needs to have lot of patience in order to raise your own organisation from one level to another.  You need to have a good team with you to run the show and thankfully at this point of time I have an awesome team who helps me, guides me and back me up everywhere.

     

    Do you take interns? What do you look for in a prospective applicant?

    Yes, we do take interns. When we get an application for internship we usually don’t see the scores and credentials of the student because we understand different universities have different ways of marking. We usually see the cover letter and the practical experience the applicant has provided in the application and most importantly the urge of the applicant to work and learn.

     

    What would be your message to law students who dream of having their own law firm one day?

    Never give up. Enjoy your failure because this is the way you are learning and this is how you grow as a person. According to me there are 4 stages involved if u want to start your own firm. At the first stage you have no work no money ,second stage only work no money at the third stage good work good money and finally the fourth stage less work only money.

    Not necessarily it has to go the same way but that’s what it is like in the holistic picture. Be confident and kick off.