Can you share with us how your journey into the field of law began? What motivated you to pursue a career in law, and what challenges did you encounter during your formative years in the legal profession?
Frankly speaking, I was really bad at science and mathematics so that door was closed but had always liked to engage into arguments only to ensure that I have to fight for the right coupled with the attraction of the robes that lawyers carried in the courts which motivated me to the core. Now, I thank myself for choosing law as my career as well as my family and friends who supported my decision.
I never faced any challenge by the way, as I loved what I was doing, that included drafting, reading, researching as well appearing before the courts and tribunals. The only difficulty was to cope up with the financial doldrums. So, with whatever time I could manage and owing to my passion for teaching which I had developed during my law school, I engaged myself in taking up classes at universities, coaching institutes including taking up training sessions at ICSI and ICAI and was the youngest guest faculty at most of the places. That not only encouraged me to read and be well versed with the latest updates, it also helped me to have a harmonious balance between my expenses and income. Though the journey at Infosys, Vaish and thereafter with my litigation guru, Late Shri MR Singhvi, Senior Advocate and most importantly, my favourite mentor, Sr. Advocate Shri Ravi Bhansali was phenomenal and all the hard work and perseverance has led to the present day, for which I can’t thank enough to all those who had supported me in minutes.
As the Founder and Head of Singhvi & Co., what inspired you to establish your own legal consultancy firm, and what were some of the challenges you faced in the initial stages?
I always believe that as a team of young individuals, you can always do more, think more and prosper more. The idea to have a team was dawning on my mind since law school days when we used to intern at various law offices and see the seamless way of functioning and sharing of thoughts and ideas. As a first generation lawyer, when you think of having your team, it brings along that guts to incur expenses of having proper office space, payment of professional fee to the team as well as office administration expenses. So, during the initial days, I ended up squeezing all my income in order to cope up with the management of the office. Though, the scope of work increased along with the client base and we could eventually end up serving varied clients at different locations with ease and came out with amazing reliefs and results from Hon’ble Courts and tribunals apart from serving the clients on non-litigation work.
Empanelled as counsel for various esteemed institutions, could you shed light on the significance of such partnerships in your legal practice? Also could you please share some insights to your role.
In the beginning of my career, I always saw others engaging and thriving into empanelment of various private and government institutions but I was always busy serving my clients and could not spare time to invest in the effort to get myself empanelled anywhere. I always focused on work and ensuring timely resolution of my client’s grievances. With 7-8 years of experience in my kitty and having developed little name and reputation, there came a time when various institutions and companies approached for engaging me as a retainer/empanel as their lawyer and time just went in a jiffy without realizing the journey which has been extremely rewarding, challenging and full of learning nuance. The focus is yet again on serving clients with honesty and integrity and that is the success mantra.
Given your interest in contract and arbitration, could you discuss the evolving landscape of dispute resolution mechanisms in India, particularly in light of recent legal developments?
Even as a law student, I was very keen in learning about the Arbitration and Conciliation Act, 1996 and used to request the seniors during my internships to involve and engage me in the respective arbitration and dispute resolution team which nurtured my mind at the very inception. The timely resolution of the disputes with such flexibility in approach revolutionized my mind and shaped me to work more and more towards this stream and today I have the honor to have resolved disputes related to partnerships, infrastructure, construction and JV and working capital consortium agreements amassing more than 3000 Crores. India has passed the proverbial litmus test after conjoint efforts from across the wings of the government in the last decade or so and has left no stone unturned to transform India into a matured arbitration hub and the future seems to be extremely promising and fructifying.
As a visiting faculty member at various institutions, how do you integrate academic insights into your legal practice, and what do you hope to impart to aspiring legal professionals through your teaching engagements?
I always believe that the best way to keep yourself updated is to read and exchange. When you have to teach, you end up doing both though you do not realize that you gain so much from the students and professionals you engage with which will shape you into a better, healthier and smarter lawyer. I have been very practical in my approach towards my life as well as profession and that’s what I request each and every individual.
As someone deeply involved in real estate transactions, what are some key legal considerations that individuals or companies often overlook when engaging in such deals, and how do you ensure comprehensive due diligence?
Land due diligence is the most critical aspect which was not really considered by the general public, barring corporate dealing into big land parcels. Over the past 10-15 years, I have witnessed imperative growth and recognition which has been extended to DD which assists to thoroughly investigate and assess the details & risks associated with a transaction before taking a final decision on the execution and acts as a shield to protect against possible fraud which is very common these days.
As someone pursuing CS [Final], how do you perceive the intersection of company secretarial practice with your legal expertise, and how does it complement your role as a legal consultant? Also what motivated you to pursue a Ph.D. in Law, and how has this advanced degree contributed to your expertise and outlook in the legal field?
I understood the importance of studies and knowledge gaining while being a part of Infosys which believed in the Continuous Education Programme (CEP) and that motivated me to improvise my skills and knowledge and learn every day. The process of learning in an advocate’s life is imperative and keeps you in line with the advancement of life, law and technology. Doctorate in law allowed me to understand the importance of research which I was always very keen on and is one of the important pillars for any one practicing law.
As a visiting faculty member interacting with students, what positive attributes do you find most prevalent among the current generation, and conversely, are there any areas you believe they could improve upon to excel in the legal profession?
The present generation is advanced, well-read and extremely stylish. Though, I see that they need to learn to remain grounded and stick to the basics of law and life which will prepare them to accommodate and live with the day to day challenges and set-backs litigation can offer you. Being punctual can add feathers to your profession as you may miss your matter by a fraction of second and the litigant suffers. This is just not a profession, this is service to the society and that’s why we lawyers are known as social engineers. Though, I believe that the upcoming generation should focus on dress well, address well and redress well.
With your busy schedule and demanding profession, it’s essential to find moments of relaxation. Could you share some activities or practices you engage in to unwind and recharge outside of work?
I am fortunate to have my life partner, Deepika as a professional partner as well and that keeps us occupied and entertained. We travel a lot for work and use it for leisure as well and that maintains work-life balance. Thankfully, in Rajasthan we have a long summer break and decent winter break, which we dedicate to travel abroad with family and this has now become a norm of our lifestyle. We also enjoy cricket and our leisure time is mostly spent with family and friends while enjoying music and rejuvenating ourselves.
Your internship experience includes working with Infosys, a renowned IT company. How has this experience influenced your perspective on legal matters, and what differences, if any, did you observe between working in a law firm and an IT corporation?
The work there was limited to compliance and drafting with minimal court work. Though, working with the top in-house legal team with fantabulous work style and strategies shaped my capacity to perceive, interpret and implement complex legal issues which has culminated into a matured and calculated approach in the legal profession.
Hello and welcome everyone to Super Lawyer. Today, we have with us, Ms.Pallavi Pratap, who has been named BW Top 40 Under 40 Lawyer She is a legal influencer. She is a women’s rights activist, health enthusiast, and managing partner of Pratap and company. She is a legacy in herself.
Ma’am, our first question would be to understand how you enter the legal field. And what made you pursue this path? Then how did you come up with your Pratap and company and make it such a big name in this legal background? What were the challenges? Would you like to share it with us?
The challenges I think were stupendous, but, how it started, I am an accidental lawyer. It was not that it was something that was planned as a matter of fact. I remember that when people would talk about being a lawyer, at least in my generation. That was for people who had done nothing in their life. So because you’ve not achieved anything. So you become a lawyer. That is how, you know, a lawyer was perceived then. So my law happened because after graduation, I was preparing for UPSC.
And so I did my law, one year, I think I did then. Then, because I was not able to crack UPSC, my parents thought that you know, I should go abroad and maybe do an MBA, and back then MBA was like how it is right now, LLB. So everybody was doing MBA, so I went to Australia, and I did my MBA there. Then I did my research in France. I came back and then I started to work in a small investment banking company and, that was going okay. It was all right. By the time I think I was married also. So I had two years of law left. So I had to finish off my law and then pursue my investment banking career.
It was long, and it was difficult at that moment because I think the dot com bubble had just happened. Subprime mortgages that entire 2008, and 2009 time when the economy was not doing very well. We all had challenges then, especially since. I had done my MBA and I was looking at the corporate side to work in. Then interestingly, what happened was since I was married, my husband and I thought that, it had been some years and that we should go the family way. And so the job I was doing was not so easy to continue, because, with the kind of pressure that we had on the corporate side, it was not possible.
So, my father suggested that then, why don’t you pursue law? Because it will be easier. You won’t have to put in so many hours and just take it slowly. So I just started working with an AOR. And, I remember it was around 2011, 12, something like that, when I started. Went on for four, or five years, but I was never serious about pursuing law as a career.
I thought that I would go back to the private sector. Because at that time when I shifted, I was already associate vice president. I was associate vice president at the age of 28. So the next in line was VP, which is what I was due for. And then I would have been the CEO of the company that I was in.
At one point, I had aspirations of becoming a CEO by the age of 32 or 33. However, life has a way of throwing unexpected challenges our way. At that time, my husband and I were facing difficulties conceiving naturally, leading us to explore IVF options, which involved hormone injections and a break from my career.
During this hiatus, I began studying law, initially considering it a temporary measure until circumstances improved and I could return to my original career path. Life, however, had other plans. In 2015 or 2016, my husband and I decided to separate.
Around the same time, I found employment in an Advocate-On-Record’s office. It was a demanding role where I was the sole junior, responsible for a wide range of tasks—from clerical duties to drafting and translation. My workdays were long, often stretching from 9 AM to 8:30 or 9 PM, with additional work at home, particularly for translations.
Despite the challenges, this experience proved invaluable. Working on translations, especially for criminal cases, provided me with a deep understanding of the legal system. I vividly recall translating extensive criminal appeal files, including everything from FIRs to witness statements, which significantly enhanced my knowledge of the Criminal Procedure Code (CRPC). Despite initially viewing translation as a mundane task, it ultimately became a vital learning opportunity, enriching my understanding of legal proceedings.
So, I found myself in a unique position where I witnessed the entire trial unfolding before me. It’s interesting, as you mentioned, how the younger generation seems less inclined towards traditional legal tasks. Many shy away from such responsibilities, deeming them beneath a lawyer’s stature. I never viewed any task as beneath me. Perhaps it was my genuine interest or simply a lack of concern about status. However, I’ve encountered individuals who readily embrace tasks like using Google Translate, yet hesitate when faced with last-minute requests for simple tasks.
Everyone has their preferences, and I don’t expect anyone to work for free. However, these experiences taught me invaluable lessons, especially in service matters. Translating documents provided insights into the intricacies of drafting annual confidential reports, sending notices, and crafting representations. While building something akin to SAM or CAM was never my ambition, I recognized my limitations and aimed to excel within them.
I aspired to establish a reputable litigation firm, one that keeps me consistently engaged with meaningful cases. Initially, the thought of becoming a counsel didn’t even cross my mind. Yet, over time, everything seemed to naturally fall into place. Through gradual progression, I honed my skills in argumentation and management, embracing unforeseen opportunities as they arose.
Earlier today, I had a conversation at NCLAT with a fellow law firm owner, where we delved into the intricate challenges of managing multiple aspects simultaneously. Balancing client needs, court proceedings, and financial matters poses a significant challenge for all of us in the legal profession.
My background in MBA has played a pivotal role in navigating these complexities. From my early days in India, I’ve been deeply involved with startups, often spearheading new verticals or assisting nascent companies. This experience instilled in me a knack for cost-cutting and efficient work practices.
Despite the perception that our workload necessitates a large team, we operate with a lean staff of three to four individuals. Remarkably, my colleagues typically wrap up by early evening without the need to carry work home. Our ability to manage substantial workloads with minimal resources is a testament to our strategic approach.
This proficiency in streamlining operations and maximizing productivity stems from my understanding of running a small company or startup. While the journey has been challenging, it has also been immensely rewarding. As I reflect on our progress, I’m intrigued by what the future holds.
Could you elaborate on how your MBA background aided you in navigating the challenges of establishing and managing your law firm, especially during the initial stages when resources were limited? Many lawyers don’t possess an MBA, so it would be insightful to understand how this unique combination of qualifications has influenced your approach to addressing the complexities of running a law practice efficiently.
Let me share a personal anecdote that shaped my perspective early in life. During my MBA days in Australia, despite having financial support from my father, I chose to work part-time. In Melbourne, there’s a bustling spot called Victoria Market where I found myself selling a product called a spilling remover—a simple solution for common clothing woes like pilling or pet hair. Standing on a podium, I’d invite passersby to experience its effectiveness, selling it for $25 apiece. Essentially, it was just sandpaper in a plastic box, but to foreigners, it was a valuable solution, earning me commissions and teaching me the art of salesmanship.
My MBA background, particularly in finance, proved invaluable during this time. It equipped me with the skills to calculate ROIs, analyze top and bottom lines, and assess a company’s sustainability. These skills became especially relevant when I ventured into investment banking, where projections and financial viability are paramount in securing investments.
With my prior experience in startups, I quickly identified areas for improvement in my work. However, having faced challenges before, I knew how to navigate them efficiently. I attribute much of my success to the incredible support system I had. Individuals like Kunal, my office manager, and Anshini bhaiya, my clerk, played pivotal roles, often handling tasks beyond their responsibilities, which allowed us to achieve more with fewer resources. Their dedication and support were instrumental in overcoming obstacles and propelling our endeavors forward.
The backbone of any endeavor lies in its team and resources. Since the inception of our journey, our staff has been integral to our success. Through thick and thin, from the earliest filings to the present day, they have remained steadfastly by my side. While we may engage in spirited debates and disagreements, our loyalty and commitment to one another have never wavered. I am confident that this bond will endure for as long as we continue on this path.
Reflecting on my MBA experience, I came to realize the true essence of networking. Contrary to popular belief, simply meeting people at conferences or social events does not guarantee professional opportunities. People seldom recall such encounters, let alone entrust you with work. Recognizing this, I adopted a sales-oriented approach. Rather than passively networking, I embraced the role of a salesperson, focusing on promoting my skills and capabilities.
In the world of sales, one must shed inhibitions and relentlessly advocate for oneself. I vividly recall my time in Australia, where I worked for a charity, going door-to-door soliciting donations. It was a challenging task, compounded by cultural differences and occasional hostility. Despite the hurdles, I persevered, driven by a sense of purpose and determination to succeed.
I recall my experience working in a call center, specifically in Australia, where my role involved selling gas connections and DTH connections similar to Tata Sky. This exposure to sales was invaluable, as it instilled in me a sense of confidence and fearlessness when approaching potential clients. I never hesitated to assertively offer my services, knowing that showcasing my expertise was essential in securing work opportunities.
Even during challenging times, like the onset of COVID-19, the emergence of social media platforms provided a new avenue for me to showcase my skills. Despite facing skepticism and criticism from some quarters, I remained undeterred. I understood that to thrive in a competitive environment without the backing of a “Godfather,” I needed to directly engage with clients and demonstrate the value I could bring to their projects.
Over the past decade, I have accumulated significant experience and expertise. This journey has allowed me to reach a point where I can afford to take a step back and explore other interests while still maintaining a strong professional foundation.
But those 10 – 11 years. When I was putting in the effort, there was nothing else that I ever thought of. Nothing else except for work.
when did you decide to become an AOR?
As I mentioned earlier, I was struggling with my legal career at one point. I was employed in an AOR’s (Advocate-On-Record) office, and around 2010 or 2011, when I enrolled for a five-year program, I was disinterested in learning. I had convinced myself that returning to the private sector was my goal and that the legal work I was doing felt beneath me.
However, my perspective shifted when I began working in the AOR’s office in December 2015. Almost impulsively, I decided to fill out the AOR examination form. By May 2016, with just six months of experience in the AOR’s office and 15 days of preparation, I attempted the AOR examination and passed it on my first try.
Some may argue that the paper that year was easier, attributing my success to luck. Yet, passing the AOR exam gave me a newfound confidence. I realized that achieving such a feat, especially in my first attempt, meant I possessed a deeper understanding of the law than I had previously acknowledged. Many struggle to pass this examination even after multiple attempts, but I succeeded on my first try, affirming my competence in the legal field.
Becoming an AOR transformed my attitude towards law. Before this achievement, I had contemplated returning to the private sector, disliking my work in law. However, my success in the AOR exam propelled me into taking my legal career more seriously. I no longer viewed legal practice as beneath me; instead, I embraced it wholeheartedly.
This experience taught me the importance of self-belief and determination. It was a turning point in my career, marking the moment when I transitioned from a disillusioned legal professional to a committed and passionate advocate.
Given your passion for your company, how do you envision your plans for the next five to seven years, particularly considering the increased responsibility that comes with holding an AOR position? How do you intend to align this responsibility with your commitment to societal causes over the next three to five years?
To be honest, there isn’t as much involvement in societal causes for me anymore. It used to be more prevalent when I was handling those types of cases. Unfortunately, it seems now people view me more as a criminal lawyer, and I’m fine with that too. If such cases come my way, I won’t deny them. However, my passion still lies in issues related to women. It’s something that has always been close to my heart, stemming from my own experiences, and I believe it will continue to be so.
Looking ahead, my focus for the next three to five years is to engage more in courtroom arguments. It’s something I’ve grown to enjoy, albeit it took me some time to overcome certain inhibitions. Learning the art of effective argumentation—knowing when to speak, when to stay silent, and how to present without offending the judge—is an ongoing process for me. I’m still refining these skills, recognizing that I have much more to learn.
On the business front, I’m content with where our firm stands currently. While I naturally aspire to increase our turnover and the number of cases we handle, I’m grateful that growth seems to be happening organically. Our caseload is steadily increasing, almost on its own accord. This year, one of my resolutions is to travel extensively, aiming to visit at least one high court every month.
In January, I traveled to Bangalore, and this weekend, I’ll be heading to Indore. My purpose isn’t solely work-related; I’m eager to connect with more people, understand the challenges they face, and perhaps offer solutions where I can. Over the past year, I’ve noticed an intensification of challenges, particularly with the heightened competition in our field. It’s become overwhelming for many of us, prompting me to strategize on how best to navigate these obstacles.
Moreover, at 41, I find myself contemplating life goals and priorities. Having dedicated over two decades to work since 2006, I’m now at a juncture where I seek to carve out time for personal pursuits that have taken a backseat for far too long. I aim to pave the way for the next decade to embrace endeavors beyond the confines of immediate obligations.
Undoubtedly, there are struggles. Despite societal shifts, challenges persist, especially for individuals like us. As a woman in the legal profession, I continue to encounter hurdles in what is still largely a male-dominated arena. The landscape may have evolved, but the inherent obstacles remain, requiring perseverance and resilience to navigate effectively.
How do you approach supporting individuals, particularly women, who are encountering challenges in today’s rapidly evolving landscape, both in the physical and online realms? What strategies do you envision employing to navigate these dual challenges effectively?
You know, it’s been overwhelming. My Instagram feed is flooded with hateful messages. If I were to delve into each one of them, it would undoubtedly take a toll on my mental health. Not that it isn’t already suffering. But being on social media with an open profile invites all sorts of comments, and learning to brush them off is a skill I’m still struggling to master.
Unfortunately, it’s not just confined to social media. Even within the corridors of the Supreme Court, women are often objectified and subjected to gossip. For someone like me, with a past that seems to precede me, it feels like my right to exist is constantly under scrutiny.
No matter how many times people express admiration or claim to find inspiration in my social media presence, it’s that one negative comment that sticks, lingering and gnawing at my self-esteem. It’s a daily battle to overcome these obstacles, and for someone who has endured their fair share of hardships, it’s particularly draining.
I’m sure many other women can relate to this struggle. Moreover, there’s this tendency to label women who speak out as playing the victim card. Frankly, it’s disheartening. That’s why I’ve become increasingly selective about engaging online. This interview marks a significant departure for me, as I’ve largely refrained from public appearances due to the incessant accusations of victimhood.
I want to share with you the unfiltered truth about my life experiences. It’s not about playing a victim card – that won’t put food on my table, pay my bills, or sustain my livelihood. The notion of a victim card is dismissive; it doesn’t address the real struggles we face. Some may perceive my openness about challenges as playing a victim, but that’s far from the truth. I’m simply acknowledging the hurdles I’ve encountered.
It’s incredibly tough for people to grasp your reality. Instead of understanding, they’re quick to judge, criticize, and spread rumours. They’ll label you as overly emotional, assertive, or worse, without considering the battles you’ve fought and the strength it took to overcome them. It’s disheartening when your personal struggles are overshadowed by baseless gossip and scrutiny.
The most painful part is the lack of acknowledgement of your journey. Nobody talks about the countless hours spent preparing for battles in court, the mental health challenges conquered, or the physical changes and hormonal shifts that women face as they age. Society tends to brush these issues aside, reducing individuals to mere stereotypes, ripe for gossip and condemnation.
As a 41-year-old woman, I’m acutely aware of the changes my body undergoes and the societal pressures that accompany them. Yet, these struggles are often dismissed or exploited for gossip fodder. It’s a reminder that despite our accomplishments and resilience, society’s perception of us remains narrow and judgmental.
Many women in the legal profession, particularly those in the Supreme Court, encounter similar challenges. However, I must acknowledge a positive shift in recent times. The judges have become notably supportive and accommodating. It’s truly remarkable. They allow us to present our arguments and make our points heard, even in cases where they ultimately dismiss them. Regardless of the outcome, they ensure that we have a platform to voice our perspectives.
This newfound environment is instrumental in bolstering our confidence. We no longer feel scrutinized or judged based on our gender or professional standing. Instead, the emphasis is on fostering an inclusive space where everyone, regardless of gender, feels empowered to express themselves. Even if we falter or struggle to articulate our arguments convincingly, the judges still provide us with the chance to speak up and be heard.
For women practicing law, this shift has certainly made our journey smoother. We now have a supportive framework that encourages us to participate actively in legal proceedings without fear of bias or discrimination.
How can individuals facing similar situations find support? It’s essential to reach out and seek solace, even if it’s challenging. In my experience, friends outside India often find comfort in supportive communities that share their grief. This support, although seemingly small, can make a significant difference, especially for those from different generations.
This generation possesses a remarkable clarity of vision that I find truly inspiring. I often marvel at how certain they are about their aspirations; a quality I wish I had when I was their age. In my workplace, I am surrounded by exceptionally talented colleagues, particularly women, who exude confidence and decisiveness in their pursuits. Their directness and self-assurance are qualities I deeply admire, especially as I continue to grapple with moments of self-doubt.
I have always had a special admiration for women who excel in their fields. I recall my own approach to work—when a task was assigned to me, it became my responsibility, my challenge to conquer. This same work ethic is evident in the remarkable women I work alongside today. Take, for example, one of my juniors who is currently navigating a challenging phase in her career. Despite the obstacles she faces, I am immensely proud of her resilience and determination. Witnessing her growth and perseverance fills me with pride, and I am confident that she is destined for great success.
You’re deeply committed to mentoring, which is commendable. Have you extended this mentorship to your siblings, given that you’ve essentially established a legal dynasty within your family? Your journey must have been inspiring for them. Could you share more about how you’ve influenced and motivated your sister and brother in their legal pursuits?
My brother and sister, if you were to ask them independently, they would both attest that their successes were entirely self-made. They’ve each carved out their own paths without needing much guidance from me. It’s remarkable how they’ve managed to flourish independently. In our household, everyone is quite aware of each other’s endeavors.
However, collaborating with individuals from diverse backgrounds and mindsets has been a transformative experience for me. Working with these incredible women has been an eye-opener. Take Muskan, for example, she’s sitting right here. She has taught me invaluable lessons. I merely have to express what needs to be done, and somehow, she accomplishes it effortlessly. Her efficiency has significantly lightened my workload, allowing me to breathe more easily since she joined the team.
Then there’s Kinjal. What sets her apart is her laid-back demeanor. She effortlessly integrates modern slang and vibes into her work. It’s truly refreshing to witness their relaxed approach. I’ve always envied their ability to stay cool under pressure. Even now, I find myself bogged down by stress. Yet, these young individuals produce impeccable work effortlessly. Their talent and composure never cease to amaze me. I wish I possessed their level-headedness and skill.
Muskan, even though I had been practicing in NCLAT for a long time when Muskan came, she told me so many things about NCLAT procedures that I had no idea about. And similarly, when Kinjal came. She taught me so many things about lower court proceedings that I had no idea. So it’s just that you learn so many things from them.
Now, shifting gears, could you share how you unwind and manage stress? Specifically, what hobbies or activities do you engage in for your mental well-being? Additionally, given your dedication to fitness, could you elaborate on your workout routine and its impact on your personal and professional growth?
Let me share a bit about my journey. When my husband and I were trying to conceive, I underwent hormone injections, and I was around 80 kgs at that time—I mean, significantly overweight. This led to a myriad of issues, including depression, body image concerns, and a lack of confidence. It was a challenging period.
However, I gradually discovered the power of exercise. The endorphins released during workouts made me feel happier and more content with myself. It became a habit—one that I’ve maintained to this day. Even if I take a short break from the gym, I find myself back there on the fourth day, even if just for some cardio. While I haven’t transformed into a thin person, due to my genetic makeup, exercise has become a cornerstone of my routine.
Starting my day with a workout sets a positive tone that lasts until at least four o’clock. Achieving small victories in the gym, like lifting my body weight during a deadlift, instills a sense of pride and confidence that carries over into other aspects of life.
I’ve been open about having a therapist, and I speak with them once a week. It’s essential to address mental health issues, whether it’s depression or anxiety, which are prevalent among lawyers. Seeking help is crucial; you can only do so much on your own. Since the onset of COVID, I’ve maintained this routine, seeing my therapist regularly.
As for my reading habit, it’s part of my daily schedule. By 8 o’clock, after the kids are occupied, I dive into work, reviewing files and preparing for the next day. By 9 o’clock, I wrap up, and that’s when I look forward to the highlight of my day—relaxing in bed with a book. It’s a simple pleasure that keeps me grounded.
Previously, before I incorporated reading into my routine, I’d anticipate watching a show like Frasier or any comedy series at 9 o’clock. Having something to look forward to at the end of the day helped me navigate through it. That’s been my survival strategy.
How do you tackle the challenge of motivating first-generation lawyers and aspiring legal professionals to take their roles seriously and enhance their skills? How can they overcome obstacles such as lack of mentorship and difficulty in establishing connections within the legal community? What advice would you offer to these newcomers to the profession?
Look, I’ll be the first to admit that I sometimes struggle to keep up with emails and messages. Frankly, we receive an overwhelming volume of them every single day. Ideally, I’d love to have a larger team to ensure every email gets a prompt response. However, the reality is, we operate with limited resources.
As much as I’d love to have a team of interns, our resources simply don’t stretch that far. It’s not about lacking the space; it’s about ensuring that if we do take on interns, we can provide them with a valuable learning experience. I wouldn’t want to bring on interns only to find we can’t offer them adequate stipends or meaningful guidance.
Internships here are rare occurrences, happening perhaps once every couple of months. The main challenge isn’t space but our court commitments. Until 4 o’clock, we’re typically tied up in court proceedings, and even if interns were to join us, the complex nature of legal proceedings means they wouldn’t gain much insight. Understanding court proceedings takes years, not months.
While it’s possible to observe court sessions virtually, it doesn’t necessarily translate to meaningful learning. Instead, I believe interns would benefit more from gaining hands-on experience in lower courts where they can actively engage and learn the ropes of legal practice.
Maybe you can go to the High Court and see how the original side works. But coming directly to the Supreme Court, I think the challenges are huge and very difficult. You can maybe learn bail applications and how they are being argued, but I still think that there’s just so much to learn that in five years you can’t learn all of that.
The other thing I think is that, see, you get to know whether you’re good at it or not. You know, you are always true to yourself. So the moment you know that you’re good at it, and you’re able to generate work, and you think you will be able to do it, you will be able to put in the hours, do it. Do litigation.
But if you think that you’re not cut out for it, don’t waste your time trying to prove something that, you know, is not possible. If I were to be a corporate lawyer, maybe that’s not something that I would have been able to do. I enjoyed litigation and that’s why I’ve been able to do it.
And I think the last thing that I would want to say to the interns. I honestly feel that internship is not the most important thing. Believe me, an internship is no way that one would want anything to happen. Not true. It’s not the internship. But it is primarily what you make of yourself after law school.
You are studying in law school, but once you are out of law school, how willing are you to work in court and learn? You know, there have been kids who’ve come to me and they’ve said that we want work-life balance. I said, that’s fine. My office gives you a work-life balance because it’s quarter to seven.
My office is empty. And this is a Thursday. Why? Because there is always a work-life balance in my office. Nobody has to come into the office in the morning. Everybody comes to the court at 10 o’clock and then by 6.30, everybody’s out. So if then you are coming and telling me that you can’t even put in eight hours or nine hours of work, then I think, then you are not cut out for this profession.
Because the office is closed, now my staff is gone, I have put in 8 hours already, and now I have to put in 6 more hours, be it in the morning 2 hours and 4 hours in the night, to figure out how to do the billing, to figure out, briefing for tomorrow’s matters, like I have a conference at 8.30, now nobody else is going to do it, I will only have to do it, so you have to be prepared that you can work 14 hours a day.
Can you share your diverse and enriching journey from IIT Kharagpur to founding Umbrella Legal. What inspired you to transition from a technical background to a career in law and entrepreneurship?
Thank you Superlawyer Team for this opportunity and I feel very lucky to be approached and interviewed for the second time in my legal career. To begin with, I am a first-generation lawyer who, in my third year of engineering, made the decision to shift gears. Throughout 4 years of engineering college, I participated in various extracurricular and events, which gradually led me to realize my passion and aptitude for law. During the final year of my engineering studies, subjects such as introduction to patents and technology transfer solidified my resolve to pursue law after engineering, with the aim of integrating knowledge from both fields to tackle complex issues. So, at the end of 4 years of engineering college, I opted for a three-year law program specialized for individuals with a technical background at RGSOIPL, IIT Kharagpur, instead of pursuing MTech or joining a corporate job. I had wonderful cohorts and friends at law school, who added to the need to challenge myself for learning and gaining experience.
Following campus recruitment at IIT Kharagpur, I joined Hero MotoCorp’s R&D setup as part of their IP cell, gaining valuable experience in handling patent-related matters. After a tenure of 2.5 years at Hero, I transitioned to TCS as an IP analyst, where I delved into core IP issues and gained extensive exposure to domestic and international IP laws, particularly in the software domain. While recognized as a valuable asset at TCS, I felt the urge to broaden my legal expertise, leading me to join Bajaj Electricals as Manager-Legal and IP. In this role, I provided comprehensive legal support across various departments, refining my leadership skills and navigating complex legal challenges across multiple business verticals over a span of 2.5 years. Subsequently, I moved to ATC Tires Private Limited, further expanding my legal exposure and expertise in handling legal and compliance matters.
The transition from an in-house counsel role to an entrepreneurial position is not abrupt but rather rooted in a steadfast aspiration that began during law school to establish my own firm. Through exposure and accumulated experience in the legal field, I eventually reached the point where I felt confident enough to leave my corporate position and embark on this entrepreneurial journey.
Starting Umbrella Legal must have been an exciting yet daunting venture. What were some of the initial challenges you faced, and how did you overcome them to establish a successful legal practice?
I think the decision to leave my position as Senior Manager-Legal in 2022 to start my own firm has been the biggest challenge. The magnitude of this challenge becomes evident when starting without an existing client base, despite a decade of experience. Over time, I learned to cultivate relationships and instil trust with clients gradually. My background as an in-house counsel proved invaluable in comprehending the intricacies of transactions from both business and legal perspectives, affording me a distinct advantage in handling certain complex matters.
Your involvement with teaching and providing legal exposure to students at NMIMS Mumbai and IIM Bodhgaya is commendable. What drives you to impart knowledge and mentorship, and how do you believe it contributes to the legal profession?
My father, a teacher himself, instilled in me the value of imparting knowledge and contributing to the community. I have a fondness for teaching, and whenever the opportunity arises, I am committed to delivering my best as a faculty member. As a legal professional, I actively engage in continuous learning, staying updated on emerging trends in law, and giving back to the legal community through knowledge sharing, mentorship programs, and academic collaborations.
I had the pleasure of teaching two modules of the executive law program at IIM Bodhgaya, where participants engaged in discussions on legal interpretation, case studies, and shared their experiences in addressing similar issues within their organizations. Teaching law, to me, is about more than just imparting knowledge; it’s also an opportunity to learn from diverse perspectives and experiences.
As someone deeply involved in the startup ecosystem, what do you believe are the key legal challenges that startups often overlook, and how can they proactively address them to ensure long-term success?
The legal challenges start from selection of entities to incorporate to finally implementing practices to mitigate legal risks. I remember having this discussion with a client wherein they were ready to deploy all measures to ensure that accounts become up and running from day 1 but when it was time for legal compliances, the reply was “is it absolutely necessary” and what would be the penalty, if not complied.
Certain startups fail to recognize the significance of completing legal paperwork, safeguarding intellectual property, establishing legal frameworks, and formalizing co-founder agreements and equity distribution plans. The initial action to tackle these matters involves engaging an attorney for in-depth discussions concerning your needs, financial constraints, and deadlines. Establishing a structured timeline ensures that all necessary steps are taken in a timely manner.
Becoming a registered patent agent is a significant achievement. Could you share with us your experience preparing for and passing the Indian Patent Agent Examination?
In 2013, while serving as Deputy Manager at Hero MotoCorp, I successfully passed the patent agent examination. In my role, I was tasked with various responsibilities such as conducting patent searches, drafting, filing, and providing related advisory services. Given the frequent engagement with patent-related matters, I found myself referring to the relevant laws and regulations multiple times a day, inadvertently preparing me for the examination. Moreover, drafting patent specifications as part of my duties involved comprehending the inventions conceived by inventors, further enhancing my preparation for the examination.
Your involvement in advising on software patents and navigating the complexities of international patent filings is impressive. What unique considerations or challenges arise when dealing with software-related inventions in the context of patents, and how do you address them?
My exposure to software patents and challenges around them began with my engagement with TCS, Mumbai. I joined TCS in January 2015 and just a few months before, the Alice vs. The CLS case was decided in the US Supreme Court and every software company was concerned with the verdict. In that case, it was held that patent claims granted for computer-implemented electronic escrow services were directed to abstract ideas and not patentable subject matter. This case had a profound impact on the way of examination of software patents and laid out two step analysis. India patent office on the other hand was busy drafting CRI guidelines for examination of computer related inventions but there were a lot of comments and recommendations given by industry players upon release of those guidelines due to clarity and interpretation issues. One of the biggest challenges after the Alice case was to overcome the 101 rejections in the US with limited support available from pre-Alice patent specification.
You’ve mentioned handling complex transactions during your tenure with some of India’s biggest companies. Can you share some strategies or approaches you utilized when faced with particularly challenging cases, such as those involving intricate IP issues or high-stakes legal matters?
Navigating transactions entangled in numerous legal complexities demands meticulous strategic planning, clear communication with the business team, and scrupulous attention to detail when reviewing documents and disclosures. In the initial stages, it’s crucial to engage in thorough discussions with relevant teams, delving into the nature, rationale, and expected outcomes, while also conveying expectations and providing regular updates.
At the outset of such intricate transactions, establishing a risk matrix is imperative, allowing for the identification of potential risks and the implementation of mitigation measures to secure a favourable outcome. Complex transactions often involve unanticipated challenges and it becomes important to strategize and work to ensure that you do not deviate significantly while revisiting and adjusting the transaction structure.
Your journey from a deputy manager at Hero MotoCorp to founding Umbrella Legal is quite inspiring. What lessons or experiences from your early career do you carry with you today, and how have they influenced your professional growth?
Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate your kind sentiments. Transitioning from my role as deputy manager at Hero MotoCorp to establishing my own firm has been a journey rich in valuable lessons and experiences, supported by the guidance of family, friends, and mentors at various stages of my career. One paramount lesson I’ve embraced and applied is that there are no shortcuts to professional advancement, and there’s no justification for compromising on the highest standards of professionalism and quality.
Balancing a career as a legal entrepreneur and being a strategic legal advisor requires excellent time management skills. What are some strategies or habits that you’ve found effective in maintaining this balance and staying productive?
In today’s fast-paced professional landscape, many individuals encounter the dual challenges of time management and maintaining a healthy work-life balance. Within the legal profession, given the demanding nature of the work and long hours, it becomes essential to implement strategies for effective time management. One particularly beneficial approach is establishing clear priorities and developing the skill of delegation.
In the past, I struggled with setting boundaries regarding personal time, often allowing work-related matters to encroach upon my personal life. However, I gradually altered these habits. Now, I prioritize carving out dedicated time for my personal life to prevent burnout and ensure rejuvenation. This shift has been instrumental in enhancing my overall well-being and productivity.
Could you share a bit about your journey into the legal profession, particularly what inspired you to pursue a career in law and how your background in psychology has influenced your legal acumen?
This question is very close to my heart and in its answer lies my firm belief that ‘God’s plan is always better than yours’. I am an accidental lawyer and have never even dreamed of becoming one. I was an absolute introvert in my teens. I was on the verge of getting my bachelor’s degree with a major in psychology but was unsure how to transition that knowledge into a career. Back then, I was terrified by the thought of interacting with people. There were also financial constraints. One day while taking a random stroll in the college lobby, I saw a notice of admission to the evening law degree program run by my college. It was a 3 year program, with no requirement of CLAT and the fee was also very nominal. I was always very much inclined towards reading and had an analytic mind. Piles of books never scared me rather, I found solace amidst them. I have spent more time at the library than at the lectures. The legal profession is always considered as a noble and respectable profession. So, it ticked all the boxes for me.
Within 2-3 years of working as a lawyer, I really started enjoying my work. As a lifelong psychology student (it is still my favorite subject), I am aware of my personality traits, such as an eye for detail, logical thinking, understanding of human behavior, convincing power, and excellent listening and empathy, all that psychology has taught me. These traits are equally, if not more, required to be a competent lawyer. By then, I had also realized that litigation is not something I would not like to do on a daily basis, and I have a knack for good writing skills; thus, I started focusing on documentation, contracting, and written opinions.
With your extensive experience across diverse industries such as education, oil and gas, retail, and real estate, could you highlight some key challenges you’ve faced and how you navigated them, especially considering the varied regulatory landscapes of these sectors?
In the corporate world, legal and regulatory compliance are like two sides of the same coin. Lawyers typically deal with laws and contracts, while compliance officers ensure that a company follows industry rules. Inhouse lawyers handle both by balancing what’s legally required with what’s needed to keep the business running smoothly. They stay ahead by knowing the laws inside out and understanding the operational dynamics of the industry they cater to. Working closely with operation teams and advance planning helps the company avoid or at least anticipate issues and stay on track. In-house lawyers act like guides so businesses can focus on sales, customer delight, production or R and D but within the corners of the laws and regulations.
I will put retail and real estate in the same bucket as retail highly depends on real estate availability. In India, we celebrate and are proud of our ‘Unity in Diversity; approach, but ask this to a lawyer handling PAN India real estate title due diligence! There is a lot of dependency on local languages and systems (or its absence) for maintaining land/revenue records at government offices and local municipal laws. When you started the project, the area was under gram panchayat, and by the time the project was complete, the exact location would have fallen within the municipality’s limits. Additionally, you must understand the operations in detail to ensure that landlords give you the required leeway to utilize the property efficiently. Negotiating with different categories of landlords and developers has honed my negotiation skills.
I have learned the importance of regulatory aspects in the day-to-day functioning of the legal department during my stint in the oil and gas sector. Oil and gas is an absolutely regulated sector with a monopoly of PSUs. There is limited scope for private or international companies. The organization I was working for is a French conglomerate. So the regulatory requirements of India and as well as that of the parent entity’s country were also required to be met strictly, in addition to the best of corporate governance policies. Your prices are regulated, your territories are marked, you have logistic challenges as the oil exploration fields are situated at particular shores, your hands are tied as you swear by ABAC regulations and FCPA, there are sanctioned countries, and so on. I have learned how to build contracts and draft policies while keeping all these in mind.
Another interesting experience is in education, which still amazes me. In India, education is a matter of a concurrent list. It means both the state and central governments will try to regulate the sector. With so many states and so many political parties driving the political scenarios in India, we seldom have state and central policies aligned on concurrent lists matters. In some states, the RTE (Right to Education) Act is taken very strictly; in others, you can maneuver around it. Some states welcome private self-funded players to boost the availability of high-class educational institutions in the states, while others prefer control at the stake of quality and feasibility. With approximately ¼ of our population between the ages of 6 and 16 and the growing income of the middle and upper-middle-class population, there is a huge demand for good quality education providers, attracting many PE and VCs to invest in education. So, suppose you are the legal person for a company having PAN India operations in school, in that case, you can imagine the number of state-specific regulations to keep track of while advising on legal matters from a centralized office!
As the Head of Legal for Manipal Academy of Higher Education, you mentioned restructuring the legal team and enhancing skill development. Can you walk us through some of the strategies you employed to achieve this and the outcomes you observed?
Life in metro cities and small towns is very different, and these differences are evident due to their different levels of exposure in terms of competitiveness, training, motivation, aspirations, and complex work scenarios. The nature of an organization (i.eMNCs, VC-backed Companies, start-ups, and not-for-profit organizations of different sizes ) impacts its culture, and culture is all about people. What works in metros or big cities may not (I would say ‘will not’) work in small towns. You have to manage with the existing resources, and you will not get new resources easily.
The restructuring of the legal team was spearheaded with a focus on clearly defining roles and expectations for both internal and external stakeholders. Significant time was invested in training them on negotiation skills, contract drafting, and legal communication. Assistance was provided to existing teams in understanding the operations and business aspects of the sector, associating the legal aspects and their impact, which has aided in understanding the value of their work.
I swear by templates, checklists, & SOPs, streamlining legal processes, which have been my go-to tools at MAHE as well, and the team and other stakeholders are pleased with these toolkits.
Standardization and process enhancement seem to have been pivotal in your role at MAHE. How did you go about developing templates, checklists, and SOPs, and what impact did these initiatives have on the efficiency and consistency of legal processes?
In the role of an in-house lawyer, I would like to prioritize standardization and process improvement to enhance the productivity of the legal team. Commencing with a thorough examination of existing legal workflows, recurring tasks and areas of inefficiency were identified through collaborative discussions with team members and stakeholders. Tailored templates, checklists, and SOPs were crafted based on these insights to address these pain points, with a focus on streamlining processes, reducing errors, and ensuring compliance. Throughout this process, feedback and input were actively sought from team members, both external and internal to provide practical, user-friendly solutions. Comprehensive training sessions and personalized hand holding were conducted to ensure effective adoption and user comfort.
Following implementation, key metrics such as negotiation time and success, as well as requester feedback, were closely monitored to assess the impact of these initiatives on efficiency and consistency. Significant improvements were noted in turnaround time, error rates, and compliance levels. The standardized processes implemented not only streamlined workflows, enabling quicker task completion and freeing up time for higher-value work, but also fostered consistency in executing legal tasks across the team, thereby enhancing overall compliance and risk management.
Given your focus on the education sector, could you elaborate on the unique challenges and opportunities you’ve encountered in this industry, particularly regarding M&A deals, post-merger integration, and regulatory compliance?
In education, navigating the regulatory and compliance landscape presents a distinctive set of challenges and opportunities. With education falling under the concurrent list, governance involves coordination between multiple authorities, adding complexity to regulatory compliance. While the sector is socially impactful, profit-making is restricted, necessitating a delicate balance between financial sustainability and delivering quality services. The surge in M&A activity, driven by interest from private equity and venture capital firms, reflects evolving market dynamics, particularly with the rise of Ed-tech post-pandemic. However, traditional brick-and-mortar K-12 schools continue to uphold their significance, requiring continuous adaptation to compete with digital alternatives.
Establishing or expanding educational institutions often involves substantial real estate investments, which, coupled with more extended gestation periods, pose financial challenges. Moreover, post-merger integration presents its own set of hurdles, given the absence of nationwide standards and the varied regulatory frameworks across states. Many institutions begin as philanthropic ventures, evolving over time under the influence of passionate founders or promoters and their younger generations wanting to encash on brand and legacy, further complicating the integration process.
In summary, the education sector offers immense opportunities for growth and impact. Still, success hinges on effectively navigating the regulatory landscape, adapting to market shifts, and executing strategic M&A deals with diligence and foresight.
In your career, you’ve been involved in forming and mentoring legal teams from the ground up. What qualities do you look for when assembling a legal team, and how do you foster a collaborative and productive work environment within it?
My first question in any interview for a legal position or when I meet a law student is, “What made you choose law as your career choice ?” The answer to this lets me into their perception of as well as their expectations from this profession. So, for me, their ‘Why’ is very important. Another critical and non-negotiable quality is a willingness to be a lifelong learner- of new skills, not only new rules and regulations but also new subjects beyond law. Law is such a vast area that one should never be complacent or consider oneself a law expert.
For most of my career, I have worked in large organizations and across sectors, so being a team member and working in groups is another aspect I will look into.
Along with legal acumen like good written communication and the ability to summarize or comprehend legal texts, a successful in-house legal person must have a basic understanding of the practical aspects of business and operations to evaluate any document or situation from multiple angles.
I would eat, sleep, and breathe law and amongst those lucky people on the earth who love what they do and do what they love, so I don’t need a heavy dose of motivation daily. Still, different persons have different aspirations and motivations. So, I ensure that my team is clear regarding mutual expectations. Clarity and openness in communication are vital for successful teamwork. As stated earlier, training, handholding, and standardization ensure consistency in the output, and I insist on continuous and 360-degree feedback. I am very comfortable in delegation with empowerment and hate micromanaging things. Most importantly, we have a lot of fun banters, teasing, and snacking going around all day amidst heavy negotiations and focused reading sessions, so there is never a dull day at work.
As someone passionate about advancing legal education, what initiatives have you undertaken to contribute to the development of young lawyers, both within your organization and beyond?
I am seriously jealous of today’s generation for the sheer amount of availability of resources and diverse opportunities. But then, there is also a problem of plenty and confusion created due to multiple options. So, they need proper guidance to capitalize on the right kind of opportunity and information. So at every available opportunity, I love to reach out to students and budding lawyers to understand their academic challenges, needs, and wants. I talk to them to identify what they find exciting and boring and learn about their misconceptions and fears. This kind of conversation has a dual advantage for me – it fuels my curious mind, lets me know recent trends and future expectations, and helps me to be relevant while hiring and mentoring young lawyers. I volunteer for lectures in law schools and webinars for the transition from ‘campus to corporate,’ different career options for lawyers, practical contract drafting, and the like.
For my teams, I identify and ask for their specific training needs for skill enhancement and give them the desired resources. I have always been an early adopter of technology, so I encourage using digital tools such as CLM, digital signature, and chat-gpt (with much caution). My funda is one size does not fit all, and thus, I customize based on the personality and needs of an organization.
Lastly, drawing from your rich experience, what advice would you offer to fresh graduates aspiring to pursue a career in law, especially those interested in making an impact in diverse industries like education and beyond?
‘Stay hopelessly curious and be an avid learner,’ understand business, and think like a lawyer but look beyond the law. Take calculated risks, and don’t settle for one area or organization for safety; experiment in your early years. Develop transferable skills even as a lawyer, such as due diligence, negotiation, policy-making, legal auditing, etc., and remember to keep asking yourself, ‘Why did you choose to become a lawyer?’ The answer may vary over time, but there must be a clear answer every time.
Can you share with us your journey into the legal field, from your education at QueenMary University to your current role as Group General Counsel and Founding Member atVance?
My journey from pursuing LLM from Queen Mary, University of London to my current role has been a testament to perseverance and enthusiasm. As a first-generation lawyer, I embarked on this path driven not only by personal ambition but also by the inspiration of my father, whose own ambition inspired me to have a deep respect for the legal profession.
Studying abroad was a pivotal decision, marking the initial stride towards establishing myself in the corporate and commercial legal fraternity. Since then, my career has been characterized by a diverse array of experiences as an in-house counsel, navigating complexities in the fields of Real Estate, Information Technology & Privacy, Fin-Tech, Digital Payments, Digital Lending, Neo Banking, among others. From the moment I set foot at Queen Mary to the present day, each step of this journey has been marked by growth, learning, and the pursuit of excellence.
The opportunity to collaborate with Vance was not unexpected; rather, it was the culmination of a deliberate partnership with a visionary founder aimed at addressing the challenges of cross border payments and enhancing access to Indian banking and financial services for NRIs. Leading the legal, compliance and regulatory endeavours at a global level, I am privileged to contribute to the establishment of this groundbreaking venture. I am humbled to play a role in shaping the future of banking and financial services on this scale.
Throughout your career, you’ve worked in various capacities within the financial technology sector. What initially drew you to specialize in this industry?
Throughout my career, I’ve involved myself in various roles within the Fin-tech sector. However, it wasn’t until I got the opportunity at PayU Payments, where I stepped into a legal counsel role during the company’s establishment phase as a prominent B2B payments business in India. This pivotal moment ignited my passion and set me on a trajectory of growth within the fintech landscape.
From witnessing the nascent stage of payments in India to contributing to its evolution, my journey has been both exhilarating and transformative. Whether it’s pioneering digital payments at PayU, shaping digital credit strategies at Krazybee, driving the biggest of Indian payments products at NPCI, the umbrella organisation for operating retail payments and settlement systems in India or exploring the endless possibilities within the sector, I’ve found my niche and thrived in it. Fin-tech isn’t just where I work; it’s where I belong, and where I’ve honed my expertise.
Could you elaborate on the challenges you’ve faced navigating the intricate landscapes ofinformation technology, digital payments, and licensing throughout your career?
A lawyer’s life is loaded with countless challenges, a reality I’ve faced firsthand while steering complex areas of Information Technology, Digital Payments, Credit, and Licensing. One particularly notable hurdle has been customizing legal advisory to keep up with the swift pace of technological advancement in this space. With innovations occurring rapidly, it’s imperative to ensure that legal frameworks and policies evolve in tandem, necessitating continual adaptation and innovation.
Additionally, staying abreast of frequent regulatory changes and requirements especially in payments and digital lending has been paramount. The regulatory landscape is constantly evolving, compliance has become non-negotiable, and the regulator appreciates no compromises- I have numerous instances at hand from the industry. It’s essential to remain proactive, continuously monitoring changes, swiftly adjusting strategies and operations to maintain regulatory requirements, compliance and mitigate risks.
Collaborating with business and product teams to evaluate and incubate new payments products has its own complexities. Balancing innovation with regulatory compliance and risk management requires careful navigation. Successfully achieving regulatory approvals often entails extensive coordination, documentation, and engagement with regulatory bodies, adding another layer of challenge. If I talk about structuring deals and negotiating technical agreements in this dynamic environment, it has been daunting as well. We need to strike the right balance between innovation, risk allocation, and legal & compliance demands strategic thinking and adept negotiation skills. Moreover, managing peers amid these challenges requires effective leadership, clear communication, and fostering a culture of adaptability and continuous learning.
Despite these formidable challenges, I’ve approached each hurdle with resilience and a commitment to excellence. By leveraging strategic foresight, interdisciplinary collaboration, and a robust understanding of both legal and technological landscapes, I’ve successfully managed to navigate complexities, while driving innovation, and fostering growth.
As someone with extensive experience in commercial law, what are some key strategiesyou’ve employed when structuring complex business transactions?
It doesn’t sound as simple as this question. There are various stakeholders involved in structuring a commercial transaction depending on its size, however, my priority is to build a clear communication with those stakeholders to outline a transaction’s contours. Thorough due diligence, risk assessment, and mitigation are crucial, along with ensuring compliance with relevant regulatory and tax requirements. Additionally, being a business lawyer, I always consider the commercial viability of the deal and its potential profitability from a business perspective, working closely with my business to align legal strategies with their business goals.
With your background in cross-border payments and global neo banking, how do youapproach managing regulatory challenges in different jurisdictions?
Establishing business in different jurisdictions or dealing with regulators of different jurisdictions I tell you is a very challenging affair. This is something, expertise of which you do not have while bearing limited understanding. There must be a well thought through strategy. I prioritize thorough in-house research to gauge the feasibility of operating within each regulatory landscape. This involves understanding the legal and corporate structure(s) needed, which may vary significantly from one jurisdiction to another. When expertise is lacking, I rely on experienced consultants to guide us through the complexities either with respect to any kind of licensing, structuring, re-structuring, or other requirements. It’s crucial to have the right team in place to manage compliance both domestically and internationally, ensuring adherence to regulatory requirements while minimizing costs and risks. It could be a mix bag of domestic and international personnel.
As the Group General Counsel and Founding Member at Vance, what are your primaryresponsibilities, and how do you ensure legal compliance while fostering strategic growth forthe organization?
I feel my responsibilities extend beyond traditional legal service a General Counsel could render, especially after joining hands with Vance. I am tasked with leading both domestic and international legal, compliance and regulatory initiatives, ensuring that every facet of our operations aligns with the relevant laws and standards. However, my role is not limited to legal here; I also embrace the strategic aspects of business development.
To ensure smooth functioning of my department while fostering strategic growth, I engage deeply with multiple facets of the organization. This involves a collaborative approach with the business, product teams and other relevant stakeholders to navigate complex challenges and identify growth opportunities. By thinking strategically before incubating and executing commercial arrangements, I ensure decisions serve the best interests of the business while maintaining robust compliance.
Key to our success is the establishment and management of competent teams across India and other countries where we operate. This global framework supports our mission to expand as a Neo Bank currently serving more than five countries, with further expansion on the roadmap. Building the right team is crucial, not only for managing our expansive legal framework but also for enabling Vance to grow strategically and sustainably on the international stage.
Throughout your career, you’ve demonstrated a passion for leading legal teams. Whatleadership principles do you prioritize when managing and motivating your team?
Until I received the opportunity to lead legal & compliance at Krazybee, one of the fastestgrowing digital lending organizations in India, I hadn’t led teams throughout my career. Leading a legal team is a position of immense ownership and comes with significant responsibility. Here, I prioritize several key principles, many of which I gleaned from working closely with my previous managers. Firstly, I emphasize the importance of clear communication to ensure everyone comprehends their roles and objectives. Secondly, cultivating a culture of trust and collaboration empowers team members and fosters a sense of value. Additionally, I believe in offering continuous support and mentorship to facilitate professional growth and development. The guiding principle is collective growth and development of the entire team. Lastly, I underscore the significance of adaptability and resilience in navigating challenges and embracing change within the legal landscape.
Considering your wealth of experience, what advice would you offer to fresh graduates aspiring to pursue a career in law, especially within the dynamic landscape of financial technology and business management? I recall there was no mentor or proper guidance available to steer me in the right direction when I was graduating. As I progressed into my graduate years, I learned the intricacies of the legal industry and the life of a corporate lawyer the hard way. My foremost recommendation for fresh graduates is to seek guidance from seasoned lawyers in their vicinity, whether they specialize in litigation or corporate law, to gain insights into the industry and what lies ahead. It’s crucial to carefully consider which area of law they wish to specialize in, as there are various options available. They must engage in multiple internships during their undergraduate years, which is essential, as it prepares them for the intense competition they’ll face upon entering the workforce. Lastly, it’s important not only to focus on Fin-tech (it may be niche now, but may not be in the future) or business management but also to stay updated on the latest developments and rapidly changing technology in any area of law or other fields that find their interest.
Before we delve into your remarkable career journey, could you please introduce yourself to our readers, sharing a bit about your background, your passions, and what drives you professionally and personally?
I am Awanish Srivastava having experience of more than 22 years in Corporate & Core Litigation, Corporate Law, Agro Litigation, Intellectual Property Management, Contract Management and Corporate Consultancy.
I am Founder & Managing Partner of NAKS & Associates (Advocates & Solicitors), a Pan India Law firm. I am also a Fellow member of Institute of Company Secretaries of India and Regional Council Member, currently holding the post of Treasurer of NIRC of ICSI. I am Law graduate from Delhi University, Master in Law, Post Graduate in Commerce and M.B.A. (Finance). I am an active member of the ICSI, Bar Council of Delhi, Supreme Court, Delhi High Court Bar Association and NCLT Bar Association.
My journey has been driven by a passion for justice and the belief in law as a tool for societal improvement. Professionally, I am driven by the challenge of navigating the complex legal landscape to deliver solutions that not only serve our clients but also contribute to the legal profession’s evolution. Personally, I am motivated by the impact we can make through our work, in both the corporate sphere and community initiatives like Pink & Blue.
You’ve played a significant role in defining new standards of legal services in India through your firm, NAKS & Associates. What motivated you to establish NAKS with such a unique vision of operating as a Corporate Law Firm in a Retail Concept?
The vision for NAKS & Associates stemmed from recognizing a gap in the legal services market – the need for accessible, reliable corporate legal solutions across India. The Idea of Pan India Litigation came into my mind when I was working with a future group where we, as In-house Counsel, were struggling to hire lawyers in small cities and at Taluka level. In the Year 2012, we started Naks as PAN India law Firm with the aim of providing one stop solutions to our clients.
This initiative really created a platform for Corporate at one end and Lawyers in small cities at the other. Further, this platform makes legal assistance more accessible and also allows us to reach a wider level, ensuring that businesses, regardless of size, have access to top-notch legal counsel. Our System helped small Cities Lawyer to handle Big Corporate Clients.
Your work with Pink & Blue- A Symbiotic Living initiative is commendable. Can you tell us more about the initiative and how it’s making a difference in society?
Pink & Blue – Symbiotic Living (A unit of Chamber of Professional (CoP)- A Registered NGO) is a team of expert professionals, working for welfare of Working Women and Prevention of Sexual Harassment at Workplace and this is very close to my heart.
Pink & Blue is operating with the aim of creating awareness among each and every member of society about the ill impacts of Sexual Harassment and the means to prevent & redress the complaints of Sexual Harassment. We have taken a pledge to give Free training and Support to Maximum People for the betterment of the Society and promoting Happy & Healthy Co-Living Workspaces. We are a team of expert Company Secretaries, Advocates, HR Professionals & Social Workers.
We have conducted more than 200 Training sessions so far and trained and empowered more than 2 Lakh People. We have trained and certified more than 140 Posh Trainers who are CS, CA, Advocates and CMA. Our Trainers have successfully conducted training in more than 500 organisations.
Our work is making a difference by educating employers and employees alike, fostering environments where everyone can feel secure and respected. This initiative is a reflection of our commitment to social responsibility, aiming to enact real change in society through education and awareness.
Handling cases involving complex corporate litigation and intellectual property management requires a unique skill set. What are some of the key challenges you’ve faced in your career, and how have you overcome them?
One of the key challenges in handling complex litigation and intellectual property cases is staying abreast of the rapidly changing legal landscape. Keeping updated with the latest laws and judicial precedents requires continuous learning and adaptability. In today’s era, where litigation and judiciary is taking turns frequently, one cannot make distance with reading or upgrading himself with legal knowledge even for a slightest of time period.
I’ve overcome these challenges by fostering a culture of ongoing education, Reading, making notes and knowledge sharing within our firm, ensuring that we remain at the forefront of legal upgradation and best practices.
You’ve served in senior positions as in-house counsel for prominent Corporate like Videocon Telecommunications Ltd. and Future Group. Could you share some insights into your experience in these roles and how they have influenced your approach to legal practice and corporate consultancy?
My career took an airlift when I joined Future Group as Junior Manager. I was responsible for the Supervision and Monitoring of Legal & Liaisoning team of 12 members of PAN India for Legal, Contract Management, Regulatory, Liaisoning and Compliance related issues/matters. I was awarded Best Employee at Future Group for 2 (two) consecutive years and an Appreciation Award from CEO for my performance in supervising PAN India Legal & Liaisoning Team.
Thereafter, I joined Videocon Group as Deputy Manager, Videocon Telecommunication Ltd. and I was responsible for Litigation and Contract Management. I have handled highly reported 2G Litigation matters in Videocon.
Working with Future Group and Videocon Telecommunications Ltd. was a defining period in my career. These roles taught me the importance of aligning legal strategies with business objectives.
This experience has been instrumental in shaping my approach to corporate consultancy, where the focus is not just on legal compliance but on facilitating business growth and protecting intellectual assets in a strategic manner.
Your firm, NAKS & Associates, operates in more than 700 districts in India, which is quite impressive. What strategies have you implemented to ensure such extensive coverage and maintain high-quality legal services across different regions?
With the increase in technology and awareness in the small Cities, the litigations against the companies are also increasing day by day. Due to increase in consumer cases, Civil Cases, Criminal Cases and others litigation, big corporates are facing the problems of appointing counsels at various places in India including small cities to represent them even at the remote locations. I faced similar kind of difficulties when I was working in Future Group and Videocon and these difficulties motivated me to start Naks in this concept to provide Pan India Litigation services support to our clients where they get representations even at far reaching locations.
The strategy for achieving extensive coverage while maintaining high-quality legal services hinges on leveraging technology and building a strong network of legal professionals. We’ve implemented robust training programs to ensure uniformity in service quality and employed technology to manage cases efficiently across different regions. This blend of human expertise and technology enables us to serve our clients even in far corners of the country with a high standard of legal assistance.
As a Fellow member of the Institute of Company Secretaries of India, what advice would you give to young professionals aspiring to build a successful career in corporate law and litigation?
For those aspiring to build a career in corporate law and litigation, my advice is to join the Company Secretaryship Course.
A ‘Company Secretary’ is a senior, strategic-level corporate professional who plays a leading role of a Key Managerial Personnel (KMP) entrusted with the responsibility of the company’s Corporate Governance. Corporate Governance is more than just complying with laws, regulations, standards and codes; it is also about creating a culture of good management practices. The position of a Company Secretary as the KMP comes close to that of the Chief Executive Officer or the Managing Director and underlines the importance of the role played by him in the company.
After completing Company Secretary course, one has enormous opportunity to become KMP, Secretarial Heads, Head Contract Manager, Compliance Head, Regulatory heads, General Counsel, Practicing Company Secretary, Insolvency Professional, Registered valuer, Appearance before various tribunals.
Young professionals can build successful careers in corporate law and litigation by continuous Learning and Practice. The legal field is ever-evolving, and success requires not just a solid foundation in law but also an understanding of business principles and technological advancements. Focus on building a diverse skill set that includes legal expertise, business acumen, and emotional intelligence.
Balancing a successful legal career with social responsibility and community service can be demanding. How do you manage to juggle these responsibilities effectively?
Balancing a demanding legal career with social responsibility involves setting clear priorities and being passionate about your social initiatives. For me, initiatives like Pink & Blue are not just additional responsibilities but integral part of my professional identity. Effective time management and a supportive team are crucial in managing these dual aspects seamlessly. Decentralising decision making at execution level, wherever necessary and having established a tried & tested reporting system helps minimizing any unfortunate incident of error in the system which indirectly helps me spare some moments for initiatives like Pink & Blue.
Given your extensive experience and expertise, what are your thoughts on how the current generation can better understand their strengths and identify the right career path for themselves, especially in the legal profession or corporate world? Do you have any advice on discovering one’s true calling and leveraging their strengths effectively?
Understanding one’s strengths and finding the right career path requires introspection and exposure to different experiences. I encourage the current generation to seek mentorship, engage in diverse internships, and participate in community service to gain a broader perspective. Discovering your true calling is a journey of exploring your passions and how they align with your professional aspirations. Embrace opportunities to learn and grow, and don’t be afraid to chart your own path in the legal profession or any field you’re passionate about.
Can you share with us your journey from law school to becoming a seasoned counsel, highlighting some pivotal moments or experiences that shaped your career path?
My journey from law school to becoming a seasoned counsel has been quite an adventure! There were many pivotal moments and experiences that have helped shape my career path. Starting as a trainee in a top law firm, I learned the ropes from my seniors in the corporate team. I remember feeling a bit intimidated at first, but they were so supportive and patient with me, which really helped me grow and develop. Moving to the Intellectual Property team allowed me to handle huge IP portfolios and gain experience with national and international filings and directly managing the clients. It was quite a challenge, but I loved it! Transitioning to in-house counsel roles at large FMCG and pharmaceutical companies provided me with the opportunity to delve into the business side of legal practice, which was really fascinating. These experiences have been instrumental in shaping my approach to legal practice and have helped me develop a unique perspective that combines legal expertise with a deep understanding of business dynamics.
You’ve had a diverse range of experiences, both in law firms and in-house roles. How have these different environments contributed to your skill set and approach to legal practice?
Yes, while starting my own firm was always on the radar, I wanted to be well-prepared and well-equipped for that and I felt it is important to have sufficient experience in Firms and in-house roles for holistic professional growth. Working in both law firms and in-house roles has really helped me develop a well-rounded skill set and approach to legal practice. In law firms, I honed my legal knowledge and expertise in understanding the intricacies, and the art of handling clients, while in-house roles allowed me to gain a broader perspective on the intersection between law and business. It’s been really interesting to see how the two sides of the legal profession work together to achieve common goals. This combined experience has been my USP that sets me and my firm apart. The blend of these experiences has helped me develop a strategic and practical approach to legal practice, where I am able to not only provide sound legal advice but also offer valuable insights on how legal considerations can impact business outcomes.
As a strategic partner for organizations, you’ve been involved in business development and advising on key initiatives while ensuring risk mitigation and compliance. Could you elaborate on how you balance these sometimes conflicting priorities?
Balancing business development, risk mitigation, and compliance can be quite challenging at times. As a strategic partner for organizations, my approach is to prioritize risk mitigation and compliance while also supporting key initiatives that drive business growth. This often involves conducting thorough risk assessments, collaborating closely with stakeholders, understanding the practical challenges and pain points, and proactively identifying potential legal issues. By maintaining open communication channels and fostering a culture of compliance within the organization, I have been able to strike a balance between these sometimes conflicting priorities. As a thumb rule, I ensure that Compliance and adherence to Law in its Letter and Spirit is pivotal for the sustainable and scalable growth of any Organisation and as the Legal Counsel, it is one’s responsibility to guide the management of the Companies in the right direction.
Throughout your career, you’ve been involved in negotiating, vetting, and drafting high-stake contracts. Can you share any strategies or approaches you’ve found particularly effective in these processes?
Negotiating, vetting, and drafting key contracts is something I Love and am always excited about! But over the years, I’ve developed some effective strategies and approaches that have helped me in these processes. One of the most important things is to thoroughly understand the needs and objectives of both parties involved in the contract. This allows me to tailor the contract terms accordingly and ensure that everyone’s needs are met while complying with all statutory requirements. Additionally, maintaining clear communication throughout the negotiation process, paying attention to detail, and seeking input from relevant stakeholders can help ensure that the final contract accurately reflects the agreements reached by both parties. Another crucial aspect is to interact with the respective department which deals with that particular project, to understand the background, the practical challenges, and the probable risks while drafting, reviewing, or negotiating a water-tight and robust contract. Lastly, following red-lining etiquette and ensuring that you have proper and valid reasoning and rationale for every change made, accepted or rejected is the most effective strategy and art of vetting and negotiating a contract.
Given your experience in supporting business development projects and signing commercial contracts with partners across various regions, what are some challenges you’ve faced in navigating international legal landscapes, and how have you overcome them?
Navigating international legal landscapes can present unique challenges due to differences in laws, regulations, language barriers, and business practices across regions. To overcome these challenges, it is crucial to conduct comprehensive research, seek local legal expertise when needed, and establish strong working relationships with local partners. By staying informed about international legal developments and adapting to the cultural nuances of different regions, I have been able to effectively navigate complex legal landscapes and support business development projects across various regions including APAC, AFMET, CIS, LATAM, US, UK and Japan. Yet another major challenge in cross border deals and the most negotiated clauses would be the jurisdiction, dispute resolution and applicable law clauses. The Company and counsels, before deciding on the jurisdiction and applicable laws, have to factor in various aspect such as the costs involved in dispute resolution in a jurisdiction, the practicality of adherence to foreign laws, the risks involved and how stringent/lenient the laws of such country are with respect to the subject matter.
There have been interesting instances where some foreign counsels deleted or modified clauses saying it is not in line with their laws, and when we delved deep and tried to understand their laws, it was not the case. Hence while working on cross-border deals, it is important to not just go by the other Party’s interpretation of laws, but personally verify it from our end, either in-house or by seeking local expertise in those countries.
Your role has also involved working with cross-functional teams across multiple departments. How do you ensure effective communication and collaboration in such diverse settings?
Absolutely! The key to successful outcomes in diverse settings is to prioritize open and transparent communication. I actively seek input from all departments involved in a transaction and encourage a collaborative work environment. By fostering a culture of mutual respect and shared goals, I have been able to facilitate effective teamwork and drive successful outcomes across multiple departments. Additionally, I make sure to take approvals, denials, or comments from cross-functional teams in writing and ensure that all stakeholders/relevant departments are marked in such communications to allow other stakeholders to raise any concerns or discussions if any. If it is an oral discussion, I send out the Minutes of the Meeting. This helps ensure that all discussions are recorded and can be referred to later if needed.
Mentorship and team development seem to be important aspects of your leadership style. Could you share some insights into how you nurture talent within your team and promote their professional growth?
Yes, I truly believe in nurturing talent within my team by providing opportunities for professional growth and development. I set clear expectations, offer constructive feedback, and empower team members to take on new challenges. Allowing and encouraging the team members to take ownership of every single task they handle, not just gives them confidence, but also makes them accountable for their assignments. Instead of giving them the answers, I tell them how to find the solution. This helps them handle any situation even in my absence and makes them better professionals. Having regular team meetings and brainstorming sessions has helped the team handle their workload meticulously and be abreast of the laws. I also believe in being open to feedback and constructive criticism, as it helps me and my team grow professionally. As Lawyers, it is important that we agree to disagree!
Looking back at your journey, what advice would you offer to fresh law graduates who are about to embark on their own careers in the legal field?
I would advise fresh law graduates to invest in continuous learning and professional development to stay abreast of legal developments and industry trends.
While it is easy to generate opinions or contract drafts using AI, it is important that every document is drafted meticulously and one understands the rationale behind every line that goes into a contract/document and mastering the art of interpretation. While AI is an effective tool that helps you work smart, it should not be a replacement for your hard work. Mere copy-pasting of language can land up being more dangerous and expensive than one can imagine.
Seek mentorship and guidance from experienced legal professionals to gain valuable insights and perspectives. No doubt is a silly doubt, never refrain from asking questions or getting clarification.
Build strong relationships with colleagues, clients, and industry peers to expand your network and opportunities for growth. Embrace challenges and opportunities for growth, as they provide valuable learning experiences that can shape your career path.
Above all, approach your legal career with passion, dedication, and a commitment to excellence in all that you do. All the very best!
Sir, could you please share your journey and the pivotal moments that led you to pursue a career in law, eventually becoming the Legal Head at Devyani International Limited?
During my school days, I frequented Tiz Hazari District Courts in New Delhi due to my grandfather’s profession as a lawyer. His encouragement fueled my interest in attending court sessions whenever possible, marking the inception of my journey into law. This passion was further nurtured during my academic years, especially under the guidance of Rahul Sir from the Rahul IAS institute. His notes continue to be a valuable resource, serving as a foundation for resolving intricate legal issues.
As my career progressed, I recognized the importance of a well-rounded skill set. This realization led me to pursue Company Secretaryship alongside law. This dual expertise eventually culminated in my role as the Legal Head at Devyani International Limited. In this capacity, I oversee legal strategies, compliance, and contribute to the success of the company in the dynamic Food and Beverage Industry.
With a background in both law and company secretaryship, how do you find these two roles intersecting, and how has this unique combination of skills shaped your approach to legal matters within a corporate setting?
The intersection of law and company secretaryship provides a comprehensive perspective for addressing legal intricacies within a corporate environment. The legal background ensures a profound understanding of legal frameworks, while company secretaryship fosters a practical approach to corporate governance, compliance, and administration, particularly for listed companies.
This unique combination empowers me to align legal strategies with the organization’s overarching objectives. It facilitates a cohesive approach to navigating legal matters within a corporate setting, seamlessly integrating legal compliance into the fabric of the company’s operations.
In your current role, you’ve been involved in a variety of agreements and legal due diligence. Can you elaborate on a specific challenging scenario you encountered and how you navigated through it successfully?
Expanding into new markets is a challenge for almost all the industries. Thorough legal due diligence revealed discrepancies in local regulations that could potentially impede the business activities. To navigate this, we engage the regional legal experts, conduct exhaustive consultations with regulatory bodies, and meticulously tailored our agreements to comply with nuanced legal requirements. This proactive approach, coupled with collaborative efforts between legal and operational teams, allowed us to successfully navigate the complexities.
As an In-house Counsel, you’ve been responsible for ensuring compliance with various regulations. How do you stay abreast of the evolving legal landscape, and how do you ensure that your organization remains compliant with the relevant laws?
Being an in-house counsel exposes you to a myriad of scenarios. Analytical and problem-solving skills are essential to skim through each case. Given that law demands constant courtship, possessing knowledge not only about the law but also about the organization’s operations is vital. This necessitates a quest for understanding the company’s role to prevent mismanagement in the long run.
Developing these skills involves attending workshops, seminars, conferences, and engaging with professionals in the sector. This keeps you updated with current developments and exposes you to diverse opinions, fostering out-of-the-box thinking. Lastly, cultivating a habit of reading is crucial for professional growth, challenging preconceptions, analyzing the status quo, and confronting ideas outside one’s comfort zone.
In your experience, you’ve handled pre-litigation and post-litigation matters, including drafting legal notices and representing the company in court. Can you share a particularly complex or high-stakes litigation case you’ve dealt with and the strategies you employed to achieve a favorable outcome?
Handling pre-litigation and post-litigation matters, one complex case involved a landlord refusing to take over the property. To navigate this, a comprehensive legal strategy was devised, emphasizing thorough case analysis, diligent research, and timely collaboration with the external legal counsel. Open communication with all stakeholders, including senior management, allowed for a holistic understanding of the case’s intricacies. A strategic negotiation approach was adopted to explore settlement options, mitigating potential risks. Ultimately, a favourable outcome was achieved through a combination of legal expertise, strategic foresight, and effective communication.
You have been recognized for your leadership skills and contributions to the business expansion, having successfully closed over 400 property agreements in a short span of 4 years, as acknowledged by the Chief Legal Officer of KFC Global/Pizza Hut. Could you please share some insights into the challenges and key strategies you employed during this expansion process?
During an expansion process, challenges often arise, ranging from regulatory hurdles to cultural integration. Key strategies involve meticulous due diligence, identifying and mitigating potential risks, and fostering effective communication between all involved parties. Transparent communication with the existing workforce helps manage concerns and ensures a smoother transition. Flexibility in adapting strategies based on the unique aspects of each acquisition is crucial. Leadership in this context requires a holistic understanding of legal, financial, and operational facets, aligning them with the overarching business objectives.
Having worked on issues related to intellectual property rights and trademarks, what advice would you give to businesses, especially in the food and beverage industry, regarding protecting their intellectual property in a competitive market?
Intellectual property protection is crucial in the competitive food and beverage industry. Businesses should proactively register trademarks to safeguard their unique assets. Regular monitoring of the market for potential infringements is essential. Developing a comprehensive intellectual property strategy involves legal counsel to identify and address potential risks. Collaboration with regulatory bodies and industry associations provides additional layers of protection. Educating employees about intellectual property rights and implementing strict confidentiality measures internally is equally vital. In essence, a proactive and multi-layered approach is key to preserving intellectual property in a fiercely competitive market
Given your diverse experience, what advice would you offer to fresh law graduates aspiring to build a successful career in corporate law and company secretarial roles?
For fresh law graduates aspiring to excel in corporate law and company secretarial roles, I would offer the following advice:
Continuous Learning: Stay updated with legal developments, industry trends, and business dynamics. Invest time in ongoing legal education to enhance your skills and adapt to changes.
Networking: Build a strong professional network within the legal community and the industries you serve. Networking provides valuable insights, mentorship opportunities, and career advancement.
Communication Skills: Develop effective communication skills, both written and verbal. Clear and concise communication is crucial in legal roles, especially when conveying complex information to diverse stakeholders.
Adaptability: The legal landscape evolves, and corporate environments can be dynamic. Be adaptable and embrace change, leveraging it as an opportunity for growth.
Ethical Practice: Uphold the highest ethical standards. Integrity is foundational in the legal profession, and maintaining a reputation for ethical practice is essential for a successful career.
Team Collaboration: In corporate settings, legal professionals often work collaboratively with various departments. Foster strong teamwork and collaboration skills to contribute effectively to overall business objectives.
Incorporating these principles into your professional journey can help build a solid foundation for a successful and fulfilling career in corporate.
Raunak, could you please take us through your journey from college to where you are today? How was your experience at Symbiosis Law School, and what inspired you to pursue a career in law? Can you share how you started your career after graduating and the pivotal moments that shaped your professional trajectory?
As a first-generation lawyer, my journey into the legal profession was not inspired by family tradition but by a keen observation of the law’s impact as an outsider. My time at Symbiosis Law School, Pune (SLS) was transformative, providing me with a great academic foundation.
Upon graduation, I joined a mid-size full-service law firm where I spent 7 years. This period was not only formative but also deeply influential, helping me grow into the professional that I am today. It was here that I developed a nuanced appreciation for the law’s intricacies and its real-world applications. The challenges I faced and the successes I celebrated at the firm built my confidence and sharpened my expertise.
My subsequent transition to in-house roles began with Ola Electric, a multi-billion dollar start-up at the forefront of India’s electric mobility space. Joining Ola Electric in its nascent stages was a ground-breaking shift. I witnessed and contributed to pivotal moments: from the construction of the factory to the launch of its first electric two-wheeler. Following my tenure at Ola, I joined Tala, an American fintech company, as their primary counsel for the India region. Tala, already a successful entity in Kenya, Mexico and the Philippines, was looking to replicate its success in India – its newest market at the time. My role involved establishing legal frameworks that accommodated the local regulations while supporting Tala’s mission of financial inclusion.
Most recently, I joined Philips as their counsel for the Indian Subcontinent region – where I am tasked with guiding the organization through the legalities of the healthcare and technology sectors while also supporting Philips’ mission of improving billions of lives through meaningful innovation.
Your role at Philips involves managing legal affairs across the Indian Subcontinent. What are some unique challenges you’ve faced in navigating legal landscapes in different regions, and how do you ensure consistency in legal practices across borders?
That’s a great question. One of the unique challenges you face is the variance in legal standards and practices across different countries. For instance, the regulatory requirements in India can differ significantly from those in neighboring countries like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, particularly in areas such as consumer protection, data privacy, and healthcare regulations.
To effectively manage these differences, you rely on a combination of strategies. First, you maintain a robust network of local legal experts in each country. Second, you leverage technology to streamline communication and document management across countries. Lastly, you place a strong emphasis on proactive compliance. This involves not just adhering to current laws but anticipating potential legislative changes that could impact our operations.
Transitioning from a law firm to in-house counsel often involves a shift in perspective. What are some of the major differences you’ve noticed, and how has this transition influenced your approach to legal counsel?
Transitioning from a law firm to an in-house role indeed marked a significant shift in my perspective and approach towards legal practice. At a law firm, the focus is often on providing specialized legal advice to multiple clients on a case-by-case basis – with a broad spectrum of legal issues presented by each client.
In contrast, as in-house counsel, my role extends beyond legal counsel to being a strategic partner for the business. Here, the focus shifts towards understanding the business’ objectives comprehensively and integrating legal considerations into the broader business strategy. One of the major differences that I’ve personally noticed is the need for a more proactive approach to legal issues. Rather than reacting to legal challenges as they may arise, my role involves anticipating potential legal risks and implementing strategies to mitigate them before they impact the business.
Another significant difference is the depth of involvement in one organization’s operations and its success. This deep-dive into the business also fosters a greater alignment of the legal function with the organization’s long-term strategies.
As to how this transition has influenced my approach, I’d say it has done so in several ways. I’ve become more integrative in my thinking, always considering the legal implications of business decisions not just from a compliance standpoint but from a strategic and operational perspective as well. I’ve also cultivated a more collaborative approach, working closely with various departments to ensure that legal considerations are embedded in the early stages of business planning and decision-making.
Overall, the move to an in-house role has greatly enriched my professional experience, enhancing my ability to contribute not only legally but also strategically to the growth and success of the organization.
Apart from your professional endeavors, do you have any personal hobbies or interests that you enjoy pursuing outside of work? How do you find balance between your personal and professional life?
As someone who has a hard time switching off from work mode, it’s a continuous challenge, but I try. My love for cricket, movies, and travelling provides me with much-needed downtime when the legal world starts to overwhelm.
Finding this balance between personal and professional life is a bit like being a juggler at a circus – it requires patience, timing and occasionally, picking up things that I’ve dropped. But it’s always worth the effort to keep all the balls in the air.
Reflecting on your journey so far, what advice would you give to the current generation aspiring to build a successful career in law, especially in the dynamic landscape of corporate counsel?
If I were to offer advice to the next generation aspiring to build a successful career in law, it’ll be to focus on three essential principles – adaptability, continuous learning and ethical grounding.
Adaptability is crucial – being able to pivot and embrace change is not just helpful but necessary. Continuous learning is equally important – staying updated and informed with the latest legal developments, understanding new business models, and even gaining knowledge in related fields such as technology can vastly engage your capability to provide comprehensive counsel. Lastly, maintain a strong ethical foundation – as you’ll often find yourselves balancing business objectives with legal requirements.
I’m no expert at this but building a successful career in law is more of a marathon than a sprint. The journey is long and sometimes daunting, even frustrating, but immensely fulfilling for those who are committed.
As a senior legal counsel, you’ve undoubtedly faced complex legal issues. How do you approach problem-solving in such situations, and what role does collaboration play in finding effective solutions?
One fundamental aspect of my approach is recognizing that there is no one-size-fits-all, or straight-jacket formula, for solving legal issues. Each challenge is unique and demands a solution that considers the specific circumstances and needs of the business. This understanding drives my problem-solving process: identifying possible outcomes, assessing the risks associated with each, and weighing them against the legal and business objectives of the organization.
Collaboration is integral to this process. Legal issues rarely exist in a vacuum—they intersect with various aspects of business operations, from finance and human resources to marketing and beyond. Engaging with stakeholders across departments not only provides additional perspectives but also ensures that the solutions developed are comprehensive and pragmatic.
Could you share with us the importance of internships during the early stages of a legal career? How did your own internships shape your professional journey, and what advice would you give to law students or young professionals seeking meaningful internships to kickstart their careers?
Internships are invaluable as they offer a first-hand glimpse into the practical aspects of law that are often not addressed in the classroom. My own internships were instrumental in shaping my professional journey, providing me with a foundation of real-world experiences that I could build upon in my subsequent roles.
For law students seeking meaningful internships, my advice would be to approach this search with both openness and strategic focus. Be open to exploring diverse legal fields and organizations, from small firms to large multinational corporations. Each setting offers unique learning opportunities and can help clarify your career interests and goals.
Simultaneously, be strategic in your approach by seeking internships that align with your long-term career aspirations. Research about firms or organizations that are known for their work in your areas of interest and strive to connect with professionals working there. Networking can be a powerful tool in securing internships; don’t hesitate to reach out to alumni, professors, or family friends who might help with introductions or advice.
Could you share with us the pivotal moment or series of events that led you to pursue a career in law? Additionally, how has the support of your family influenced your journey, and what challenges did you encounter during your formative years in the legal profession?
I got acquainted with law quite early in my life. My father laid down the foundation of law in our family. During my school days, my father picked me up after school and I used to spend time at his office – Central Agency, Supreme Court of India before heading back home. So, since class IV, I have been visiting the Supreme Court. After completing my school education, I pursued law for graduation and the interest developed. I kept pestering my father about the legal propositions and understanding of judgments. His library became my favourite place to put what I was taught to test. The like came but love happened later. I joined the chambers of Shri Uday U. Lalit (later elevated as Judge of Hon’ble Supreme Court of India and appointed as Chief Justice of India) firstly as an intern and then as a junior, I saw him mastering the art of reading thick paper-books, applying the legal principles and arguing the matter the next day with utmost precision. Over the years I fell in love with the profession.
My family, especially my father, kept pushing me to venture out of his office and explore the diversity which the profession carries. So I developed the habit of sitting in court and observing seniors argue the matters, preparing notes, noting down judgments advanced and later waiting to read that judgment whenever pronounced. I recollect that sometime in 2012-13 I was in Court No. 2 (Supreme Court) and a trademark suit was being heard at its appellate stage about a matrimonial site saying the other one infringed its right. As the question involved online infringement the Ld. A Senior Advocate assisting the court was asked a question as to how the claim is maintainable. Though I was a mere spectator it clicked me to online search on my mobile phone and see what happened and there it was. I explained it to his associate, the senior was impressed immediately and handed the mobile phone to Hon’ble Judges who noticed the issue and granted relief. These experiences keep pushing you and help you think on your feet.
This profession is a hard task master in many ways. One has to keep learning and being updated about the judicial pronouncements while simultaneously managing clientele and keeping the ethics above all. I find the legal profession to be enthralling and at the same time keeping you resilient.
Your reported judgments span various legal domains. Could you share a particularly memorable case and the legal principles it involved?
There are a few, but I guess I have to refer to Awadhesh Kumar v. State of Uttar Pradesh reported as (2019) 10 SCC 323 wherein the High Court had erred in applying Exception 4 to Section 300 IPC and set aside the judgment passed by Trial court which had found the accused guilty under 302 IPC. The accused persons tried to kill the mother of complainant Awadhesh Kumar (whom I was representing) and a case was initially registered under Sections 307, 504, 506/34 IPC, however, subsequently on the death of Awadhesh’s mother, the case was converted into one under Section 302 IPC. The Trial court had found it to be fit case for 302 IPC and had passed life sentences against one of them and acquitted the other three. The convicted accused moved the High Court which modified the conviction to Section 304 Part I IPC sentencing him to 10 years rigorous imprisonment. I filed a Special Leave Petition on behalf of the complainant, who was not a party before the Trial court or the High Court. My submission was that the High Court committed a grave error in modifying the conviction from that of Section 302 IPC to that of under Section 304 Part I IPC as exception 4 to Section 300 IPC would be attracted only when there is a fight or quarrel which requires mutual provocation and blows by both sides in which the offender does not take undue advantage. Hon’ble Supreme court allowed my appeal and set aside the judgment passed by High Court and modified the conviction from Section 304 Part I IPC to Section 302 IPC and the accused were directed to surrender before the Court concerned to undergo life sentence as was imposed by the trial court.
Mr. Awadhesh had tears in his eyes when the judgment was passed as the accused almost got away with his crime but was finally brought to justice.
As someone who successfully cleared the Advocate-on-Record Examination, could you shed some light on the preparation process? What strategies or resources did you find most helpful in preparing for such a rigorous exam?
This I get to answer a lot. The daily court grinding works as a manure and itself becomes part of preparation. If you are regular to the Supreme Court and involve yourself in all the process, right from researching to preparation to drafting to filing, listing and arguing the matter, you are already preparing yourself for the examination.
I guess the difficult part isn’t the examination itself but the transition from a professional to a student all in the same day as you have to do everything above mentioned during work hours and study like a student during the rest of the day.
To the advocates taking this exam, I would suggest taking your time but read thoroughly the Supreme Court Rules, Leading cases, Bar council rules and practice writing as by the time you are preparing for the exam this habit starts fading away.
Beyond your legal career, you’ve been involved in guest lectures and events related to broader societal issues. How do you see your role as a legal professional intersecting with your broader interests and social responsibilities?
As a person practicing law, you automatically become an activist fighting for a cause, a critic of the government, a benefactor of humankind and with it comes responsibilities. I had the privilege of being invited on women’s day to speak on ‘Women Laws in India’ at an event hosted by Vayu Sanginis (Indian Air Force). Amongst the guest lectures, I recollect one at Rashtriya Raksha University, Gandhinagar, Gujarat which was an enriching experience speaking on the topic of Legal Dimensions of Serial Killers.
During the legal rigmarole, we come across certain individuals who are in need of justice but are economically weak and by default I try helping at least a few by taking up cases pro bono. So, whenever I am approached to educate or help someone needy, I try to serve the society with my limited knowledge.
See we are called ‘officers of the court’ and our foremost duty is towards the court and so the demeanour of a lawyer outside court is more important than his obvious humility towards court. It is our collective duty to allocate time while being committed to the cause.
How does the role of an Advocate-on-Record differ from other legal positions, and what unique responsibilities does it entail? Also what are some common misconceptions about the Advocate-on-Record role, and how would you clarify or debunk them?
The Supreme Court Rules provide for an Advocate-on-Record to plead and file an appearance or act for a party in the Supreme Court of India. The rules further say that no advocate other than an advocate-on-record can appear and/or plead before the Supreme Court unless instructed by an Advocate-on Record. So yes, as you become the natural pleader before the Supreme Court, it is a big responsibility.
Misconceptions are quite a few and I would address one of the most common of them: that only Delhi NCR based lawyers can appear in the AOR exam, this is so far from the truth. Any advocate enrolled with the bar council of any state and having completed four years at the bar and having undergone training from an Advocate-on-Record of at least 10 years standing is eligible to appear in the examination. Yes, having an office within 16 km radius of the Supreme Court and appointing a registered clerk comes later but if one is keen on taking up the exam and practicing before the Supreme Court, this is a given.
Outside of your legal profession, what hobbies or personal interests do you pursue to unwind yourself?
I am glad you asked this, as most people think lawyers are hermits. Someone said that it is very necessary to have vices. The legal profession is daunting and requires passionate commitment but unwinding becomes a necessity to give tranquility to the otherwise pandemonium-infused mind. I love to travel, watch movies and I have an ear for music. During my college years I used to do weightlifting for fun and then couldn’t carry on but I recently developed a penchant for weightlifting. I feel it provides peace and relaxes the brain. My wife and I often play badminton in the evenings.
Given your experience, what advice would you give to young lawyers aspiring to practice at the Supreme Court level or aiming to become an Advocate-on Record?
Equip yourself with the knowledge, experience and procedure as much as you can. Young lawyers often think about practicing directly before the Supreme Court, me included, nothing wrong in it. But from my experience I can say that the command on law required at the Supreme Court is at a much higher pedestal. It would not be wrong to say that there is no scope for error. So, my advice to upcoming advocates would be what I actually did. That is to work with an advocate who appears regularly before the Supreme Court for some time. Later find a chamber which allows you to hone up your skills. And finally associate yourself with a senior who lets you argue to again develop that art too. I am grateful to my father and Shri Santosh Kumar Tripathi (Standing Counsel, Delhi High Court) who helped me develop that art.
As a law officer for the Government of Uttar Pradesh, could you shed some light on the specific duties and responsibilities that come with your role, and how these duties contribute to the effective functioning of the government and the administration of justice?
As I have said earlier, assisting the court is our primary duty and being a lawyer, you become a critic of the policies of the government. Being a law officer, one has to walk the sharp sword of fulfilling both the responsibilities. A lawyer appearing for a State or any institution bears the load of conveying the cause behind the action brought in question by the litigant and in some cases bringing justice where the State acts as a bridge to the society.
The balance of power is needed for effective functioning of the government and there comes the administration of justice, we lawyers in our duty as law officers for the government serve as the escapement ensuring that the wheels never collapse and there is a constant transmission between the government and the justice system.
You’ve experienced both independent practice and working within legal teams. What differences do you notice between the two, and do you find yourself missing aspects of teamwork when working independently, or vice versa? How do these experiences shape your approach to collaboration and autonomy in your legal practice?
Litigation itself involves at least three heads, the applicant, the defendant and the judge. We three work together to bring justice to the aggrieved. Now each of the three heads have their own way of working and have a team which helps them fulfill their tasks. So independent practice basically means where you are heading the show and working within a legal team may or not necessarily mean spearheading. No doubt working with a legal team supplements your approach towards a case but if you are not the decision maker sometimes you just wonder whether there could have been a different outcome. Working independently, you have that liberty albeit risk to proceed forward with your school of thought.
